IRC Log from 2009-04-12
00:01:26 <Oni-Neoxes> ZachThibeau: Creative Labs
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00:01:46 <ZachThibeau> now time for the model nu,mber
00:01:49 <ZachThibeau> :P
00:02:14 <Oni-Neoxes> CT4750
00:02:25 <ZachThibeau> for sure?
00:02:33 <SergentSiler> OMG
00:02:38 <SergentSiler> i has a CT4740
00:02:44 <Oni-Neoxes> O:
00:02:46 <SergentSiler> only 10 shy :P
00:03:05 <Oni-Neoxes> is ther cords that are sappose to be hook to it
00:03:54 <ZachThibeau> Oni-Neoxes: is that the video card?
00:04:09 <Oni-Neoxes> extra video card
00:04:14 <Oni-Neoxes> its a capture I believe
00:05:52 <Oni-Neoxes> OOPS
00:05:56 <Oni-Neoxes> thats a sound
00:05:57 <Oni-Neoxes> XD
00:06:27 <ZachThibeau> XD
00:06:34 <SergentSiler> lol
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00:06:41 <ZachThibeau> http://support.creative.com/Products/product_list.aspx?catid=6&CatName=Graphics# for the graphics card one anyways :P
00:06:46 <ZachThibeau> hola rmccue
00:07:01 <rmccue> Morning all, happy Easter.
00:07:11 <SergentSiler> rmccue, still has a few hours here :P
00:07:11 <TimClark> Happy easter rmccue :)
00:07:16 <SergentSiler> and happy easter
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00:08:56 <ZachThibeau> :O https://launchpad.net/chromium-project
00:09:07 <ZachThibeau> they porting that crap browser to linux D:
00:09:08 <Gizmokid2005> hello rmccue
00:09:13 <Gizmokid2005> happy (early) easter
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00:09:35 <Oni-Neoxes> ZachThibeau: http://www.techexcess.net/images/products/Intel/Intel-661676-003-Video-Recorder-Card-s.jpg
00:09:38 <Oni-Neoxes> there it is
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00:10:26 <ZachThibeau> then let the blessings of Google, Yahoo, Live Search, and what ever search engine you use give their blessings to you :P
00:10:36 <Oni-Neoxes> lol
00:10:43 <Oni-Neoxes> Intel 661676-003
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00:11:48 <Oni-Neoxes> ZachThibeau: http://www.techexcess.net/661676-003-intel-smart-video-recorder-iii-pb-661675-005.aspx Exact card!
00:12:02 <ZachThibeau> there you go then :P
00:12:18 <Oni-Neoxes> so then its a Intel Smart Video Recorder III PB
00:12:28 <Oni-Neoxes> Prices up to $50 and I got it for free :D
00:12:56 <TimClark> Oni-Neoxes: that doesn't do you a lot of good if it doesn't work
00:13:30 <Oni-Neoxes> what?
00:13:31 <Oni-Neoxes> http://www.intel.com/support/videocapture/isvr3/
00:15:21 <TimClark> i thought the topic of conversation for the past 20 minutes was to get the card to work on your system
00:16:04 <Oni-Neoxes> I just need the driver
00:16:09 <Oni-Neoxes> I had to see what the card is
00:18:07 <ZachThibeau> brb guys
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00:18:46 <Oni-Neoxes> so hard to find the drivers
00:18:59 * rmccue headroofs
00:19:04 <SergentSiler> LOL
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00:19:09 <SergentSiler> thats a new one
00:19:21 <Oni-Neoxes> lol rmccue
00:20:05 <rmccue> Everybody, let's play Dance Dance Revolution!
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00:20:11 <SergentSiler> LOL
00:20:11 <rmccue> ^
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00:20:26 * SergentSiler steps and misses
00:20:27 <rmccue> ^
00:20:39 <Oni-Neoxes> 0%
00:20:39 <Oni-Neoxes> WTF!
00:22:26 <Oni-Neoxes> ARGH!
00:22:29 <Oni-Neoxes> Can't ifnd it D:
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00:24:26 <pabot> upnPAD wants Code::Blocks, Inkscape, XChat, X-Moto, and Chris Morgan Portable. His website is http://www.upnpad.com/.
00:24:39 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello upnPAD
00:25:18 <upnPAD> eyo
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00:28:09 <Oni-Neoxes> Found it!
00:28:14 <rmccue> .tell ZachThibeau There's a spelling mistake in your part message: "Eintstein" should be "Einstein"
00:28:14 <pabot> rmccue: I'll pass that on when I next see ZachThibeau.
00:28:35 <rmccue> Oni-Neoxes: What are you looking for?
00:28:53 <Oni-Neoxes> Driver for Intel Smart Video Recorder III
00:29:14 <rmccue> Uh huh.
00:29:50 <TimClark> Oni-Neoxes: is the OS funtional with the card installed
00:30:06 <Oni-Neoxes> The OS Couldn't find the Driver
00:30:13 <Oni-Neoxes> and I'm not sure about this driver either
00:30:26 <TimClark> try window update, often it can detect the need for a hardware driver
00:30:45 <Oni-Neoxes> once again. Awesome Idea TimClark :3
00:31:32 <TimClark> that's why i wanted to know if the os was funtioning with the card, sometimes new hardware can halt the os, in which case WU would not work
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00:34:38 <Oni-Neoxes> TimClark: no update D:
00:35:30 <TimClark> not trying to be funny here but did you try a search for "drivers for [card name model] for windows xp " ?
00:35:40 <Oni-Neoxes> >_>
00:35:46 <TimClark> or going to the intel site ?
00:35:57 <Oni-Neoxes> Intels download site is down
00:36:33 <TimClark> permantly, or a message saying temporally ?
00:37:09 <Oni-Neoxes> says 500 error
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00:41:11 <TimClark> Oni-Neoxes: how old is that card anyway ?
00:41:35 <Oni-Neoxes> looking at it. REALLY old .-.
00:41:46 <SergentSiler> Oni-Neoxes, h/o
00:41:50 <SergentSiler> i may has a solution
00:42:11 <TimClark> yes, i am finding refernces to the "III" model from 1999 :O
00:42:30 <TimClark> are you sure you really want this card ?
00:43:49 <SergentSiler> Oni-Neoxes, found the drivers
00:43:59 <Oni-Neoxes> O:
00:44:21 <Oni-Neoxes> I have nothing better and I know i'm most likely not getting anything better 3:
00:44:28 <SergentSiler> ill transferr them on xfire
00:45:06 <SergentSiler> Oni-Neoxes, get on xfire :P
00:52:33 <TimClark> Got to go guys, good luck, and remember System Restore if you need it, it's not just for malware problems :P
00:52:43 <SergentSiler> :P
00:52:45 <TimClark> that was to Oni-Neoxes
00:53:11 <Oni-Neoxes> :B
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01:07:09 <Oni-Neoxes> SergentSiler: My Setup for the Card says cannot find _setup.dll error 103
01:07:15 <SergentSiler> D:
01:08:26 <Gizmokid2005> Bensawsome: !!!!
01:08:26 <Gizmokid2005> http://www.serveraday.com/
01:08:34 <SergentSiler> :o
01:08:37 <Gizmokid2005> that...would ROCK.
01:08:44 <Gizmokid2005> I could host you, zach, me, etc...
01:08:46 <Gizmokid2005> DUDE...
01:09:44 <rmccue> Gizmokid2005: Then buy one :P
01:09:55 <SergentSiler> lol
01:10:04 <Gizmokid2005> rmccue: I am paying $9.95/mo for hosting...I can't afford $40 :(
01:10:34 <rmccue> Gizmokid2005: I am in the same position D:
01:11:25 <Gizmokid2005> rmccue: that would be awesome
01:11:39 <Gizmokid2005> but I'd be so out of my realm...I don't do linux and I'd need to install Mysql, php, etc etc etc
01:12:05 <rmccue> "• Choice of OS"
01:12:12 <SergentSiler> LOL
01:12:19 <rmccue> And MySQRL and PHP are easy.
01:12:26 <rmccue> I <3 MySQRL.
01:12:29 <rmccue> :D
01:13:06 <Bensawsome> Gizmokid2005?
01:13:34 <rmccue> I personally think we should upgrade Gizmokid2005
01:13:38 <Bensawsome> HMMM INTERESTING Gizmokid2005.....
01:13:47 <Bensawsome> lol sry caps lock XD
01:13:54 <rmccue> I mean, Microsoft Orifice Gizmokid2009 is out already.
01:13:55 <Gizmokid2005> rmccue: lol
01:14:05 <Gizmokid2005> rmccue: LOL
01:14:08 <SergentSiler> lol
01:14:12 * SergentSiler hi 5vs rmccue
01:14:14 <Bensawsome> orifice.... ok............
01:14:26 <SergentSiler> LOL
01:14:26 <rmccue> .wik Orifice
01:14:29 <pabot> "An orifice is any opening, mouth, hole or vent, as of a pipe, plate, or a body." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orifice
01:14:31 <rmccue> Since you asked :P
01:14:35 <SergentSiler> XP
01:16:36 <Oni-Neoxes> orifive?
01:16:39 <Oni-Neoxes> orifice?
01:16:45 <SergentSiler> lewel
01:16:51 <Oni-Neoxes> O:>
01:16:53 <Oni-Neoxes> WTF
01:17:03 <Gizmokid2005> ok rmccue, Bensawsome: give me $10/mo via paypal and I'll buy it
01:17:04 <Gizmokid2005> rofl
01:17:07 <Bensawsome> lol
01:17:08 <Bensawsome> Gizmokid2005 :P
01:17:11 <Bensawsome> hmmmmm
01:17:14 <Gizmokid2005> it'll even be on a 100MB port
01:17:15 <Gizmokid2005> not 10MB
01:17:15 <SergentSiler> lol
01:17:15 <Gizmokid2005> :D
01:17:18 <Gizmokid2005> erm..
01:17:20 <Gizmokid2005> *Mb
01:17:28 <rmccue> Gizmokid2005: Nah, I have a better deal :P
01:17:44 <Bensawsome> interesting
01:17:55 <Bensawsome> how many months you have to order before to get it Gizmokid2005?
01:18:29 <Gizmokid2005> Bensawsome: it's month to month, but if I do a M2M, it's a $25 setup
01:18:35 <Bensawsome> :/
01:19:11 <Gizmokid2005> Bensawsome: I'd love to, but I can't afford it
01:19:15 <Gizmokid2005> but the deal changes everyday
01:19:22 <Bensawsome> ya :(
01:19:23 <Gizmokid2005> sometimes they even have $30/mo servers
01:20:17 <Bensawsome> and btw Gizmokid2005 that a little more then what im gonna have with mai home comp soon :P
01:20:33 <Gizmokid2005> lol
01:20:42 <Gizmokid2005> if I had your kind of BW I'd host myself...
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01:20:44 <Gizmokid2005> but I dont' :(
01:21:17 <Bensawsome> im gonna have... ubuntu, 1.8ghz, 120gb hdd, 512mb of ram, and 250gb cap
01:21:36 <SergentSiler> fail bandwith cap :P
01:21:41 <Gizmokid2005> haha :P
01:21:43 <Gizmokid2005> bw cap ftl
01:21:50 <SergentSiler> AT&T has no cap :D
01:22:02 <Gizmokid2005> mah charter haz no cap either :D
01:23:05 <SergentSiler> i feel sorry for anyone with time warner XP
01:23:09 <SergentSiler> 40Gb cap XPPP
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01:24:22 <Oni-Neoxes> D:
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01:26:52 <pabot> excid3 is sorry but your princess is in another castle
01:27:19 <Oni-Neoxes> XD
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01:31:13 <upnPAD> hallo all
01:31:19 <SergentSiler> ohai upnPAD
01:31:25 <upnPAD> rmccue, is FirefoxPortable.exe sposed to start when firefox is restarted
01:31:45 <rmccue> Most likely.
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01:33:31 <upnPAD> rmccue, it isn't =/
01:33:56 <rmccue> :S
01:34:50 <Gizmokid2005> upnPAD: no...it shouldn't close
01:34:53 <Gizmokid2005> if you are running FFP
01:35:05 <Gizmokid2005> FirefoxPortable.exe should always be running
01:35:17 <upnPAD> well only firefox.exe is open
01:35:30 <powerjuce> Gizmokid2005: does not need to be running
01:35:56 <powerjuce> upnPAD your computer is 2 slow
01:36:06 <upnPAD> Oo
01:36:08 <Gizmokid2005> powerjuce: it does actually...
01:36:13 <Gizmokid2005> to take care of reg entries.
01:36:17 <powerjuce> Gizmokid2005: u can set it up with multiple instances
01:36:30 <powerjuce> which means it will exec and not exec wait
01:36:32 <Gizmokid2005> powerjuce: yes...but if you are running ffp, it should be runninc.
01:36:35 <Gizmokid2005> *running.
01:36:57 <powerjuce> upnPAD: nsi file waits 3 secs for the firefox.exe to start again
01:37:06 <powerjuce> if it does not work in 3secs it kills its self
01:37:14 <upnPAD> ah k
01:37:21 <upnPAD> that is buggy :s
01:37:21 <powerjuce> but on a restart if ff takes longer than 3 secs then it will start without ffp
01:37:28 <powerjuce> upnPAD: there is no way around it
01:37:30 <Oni-Neoxes> im getting tired of searching D:
01:37:39 <powerjuce> your best way is to avoid restarts
01:37:41 <upnPAD> if its open source cant i modify it O.o
01:37:45 <upnPAD> kk
01:37:46 <powerjuce> upnPAD: u can
01:37:53 <powerjuce> but how would u change it?
01:38:07 <powerjuce> to make it do wat
01:38:20 <powerjuce> what it does not is the only way to make it work properly
01:40:16 <powerjuce> and Gizmokid2005 u r rite, but some times u can set it to not run with ff
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01:42:11 <Gizmokid2005> powerjuce: I know I am...but last I knew there were parameters on when the launcher would run and when it wouldn't...but i can't find them...john explained them once, but I don't recall exactly what they were and/or if they changed.
01:42:34 <powerjuce> mayb they are changed lemme look again
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02:12:57 <WastePotato> The new PA menu looks nice. O:
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02:13:11 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is working on plenty of gaming videos on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/onineoxes
02:14:14 <Oni-Neoxes> I HAVE FOUND IT!
02:14:16 <Oni-Neoxes> FOUND IT!
02:14:18 <Oni-Neoxes> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
02:14:20 <Oni-Neoxes> .tell TimClark http://btwincap.sourceforge.net/ Works Perfect! Wii works better then said!
02:14:20 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes: I'll pass that on when I next see TimClark.
02:16:42 <upnPAD> .pa vidalia
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02:22:44 <rbrt13> hello
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02:28:42 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is working on plenty of gaming videos on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/onineoxes
02:28:43 <pabot> onestoploser is teh curry master and can't get enough PortableApps.com
02:28:44 <pabot> Mir is Mir, a lurker whom likes emulators. oh please will you give him some.
02:28:44 <SergentSiler> lol netsplit XP
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02:29:01 <Bensawsome> lol............
02:29:05 <SergentSiler> clarke.freenode.net went down for a sec :P
02:29:10 <SergentSiler> LOL
02:29:13 <SergentSiler> and again :P
02:29:41 <Bensawsome> lol
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02:30:12 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is working on plenty of gaming videos on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/onineoxes
02:30:13 <pabot> Mir is Mir, a lurker whom likes emulators. oh please will you give him some.
02:30:22 <SergentSiler> lololololololol
02:30:28 <SergentSiler> netsplit x2 FTW
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02:33:39 <Oni-Neoxes> wth?
02:33:51 <WastePotato> Moar.
02:34:00 <SergentSiler> lol
02:34:05 <SergentSiler> Oni-Neoxes, double netsplit
02:34:07 <Oni-Neoxes> what just happened?
02:34:14 <Oni-Neoxes> explain plz
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02:34:28 <will> hello
02:34:31 <SergentSiler> <SergentSiler> Oni-Neoxes, double netsplit
02:34:40 <Oni-Neoxes> explain pmz
02:34:47 <SergentSiler> Oni-Neoxes, silerspot
02:34:54 <SergentSiler> hello will, what can we help you with?
02:34:59 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello will
02:35:12 <will> i want to creat my own portable apps
02:35:26 <will> but i dont know what programs i must download
02:35:37 <will> and how to use them
02:35:49 <Oni-Neoxes> ah. SergentSiler: Guerilla guide?
02:35:58 <SergentSiler> i dont keep it on hand :/
02:36:04 <Oni-Neoxes> :\
02:36:09 <SergentSiler> hmmm
02:36:17 <SergentSiler> .pa creating portable apps
02:36:27 <SergentSiler> -_- and pabot fails
02:36:35 <will> its too hard to do?
02:36:57 <will> i was looking the forums, but it didnt helped me
02:37:10 <SergentSiler> its fairly hard if you are new too it, ive never done it myself
02:37:36 <Oni-Neoxes> I tried
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02:37:45 <Oni-Neoxes> results: failure D:
02:38:03 <will> i only want download the right programs
02:38:17 <Oni-Neoxes> but of course im one of those people who would rather sit around and look pretty.
02:38:23 <will> i will try to develop by myself
02:38:24 <Oni-Neoxes> hold on will. got the thing
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02:39:00 <Oni-Neoxes> Will: http://portableapps.com/node/14868
02:39:04 <Oni-Neoxes> Check that guide
02:39:22 <will> i will check, a moment please
02:39:35 <Oni-Neoxes> ok
02:39:50 <Oni-Neoxes> make sure you read and not click on every link there is
02:39:58 <will> ok
02:40:29 <will> it look like i want
02:40:57 <will> i will read this and i'm sure i will develoap a great portable app
02:41:02 <will> thanks a lot
02:41:09 <Oni-Neoxes> No Problem
02:41:10 <will> bye
02:41:14 <Oni-Neoxes> bye
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02:41:37 <Oni-Neoxes> Woo!
02:41:46 <Oni-Neoxes> Oni-Neoxes: 1 SergentSiler: 0
02:41:47 <Oni-Neoxes> XD
02:41:52 <SergentSiler> lol
02:41:54 <SergentSiler> STFU :P
02:42:03 <Oni-Neoxes> lmfao
02:42:13 <SergentSiler> wth
02:42:16 <SergentSiler> .pa test
02:42:19 <SergentSiler> >_>
02:42:20 <SergentSiler> <_<
02:42:24 <SergentSiler> .g test
02:42:26 <pabot> SergentSiler: http://www.test.com/
02:42:30 <SergentSiler> wtf
02:42:37 <SergentSiler> WTF happened to .pa???
02:42:59 <Oni-Neoxes> XD
02:43:09 <SergentSiler> GRAWR
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03:00:18 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is working on plenty of gaming videos on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/onineoxes
03:02:15 <Oni-Neoxes> what the
03:02:19 <Oni-Neoxes> I didn't click on this app XD
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03:29:16 <Bensawsome> SergentSiler you can also do .g site:portableapps.com search terms here
03:29:23 <Bensawsome> thats all .pa does :/
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03:56:31 <Don_Miguel> ya scared him away !
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04:22:49 <Whibo> lol
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04:27:11 <BlinkyToon> sigh
04:30:05 <WastePotato> ?
04:30:15 <Bensawsome> nom internet :P
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04:34:36 <Bensawsome> *secrety
04:34:38 <Bensawsome> *secret
04:34:39 <Bensawsome> lol
04:40:29 <rbrt13> secret*
04:41:13 <Bensawsome> i did rbrt13 gawd :P
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05:09:23 <WastePotato> Happy Easter. :)
05:10:48 <dragonmage> same to you
05:13:06 <rbrt13> good night all
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05:34:06 <pabot> palogbot is the logging bot for #portableapps . Logs are found at http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs . If he dies: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/restart
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05:34:52 <Mir> :|
05:35:25 <Mir> i am not splitting
05:35:42 <Mir> i still have the ircop messages from 2 weeks ago
05:37:35 <drag|zzZZ> oh?
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05:45:32 <pabot> Mir is Mir, a lurker whom likes emulators. oh please will you give him some.
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05:46:40 <Mir> pabot stop that NOW
05:46:50 <Mir> this is beginning to piss me off
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06:08:30 <pabot> upnPAD wants Code::Blocks, Inkscape, XChat, X-Moto, and Chris Morgan Portable. His website is http://www.upnpad.com/.
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06:24:13 <pabot> sar3th is happy that i'm back :)
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07:16:51 <pabot> Horusofoz is a long-term PortableApps.com user who can offer some low-level app support. But be nice and don't make him make you turn the other cheek!
07:17:01 <Horusofoz> Hi guys :)
07:17:06 <sar3th> hello Horusofoz
07:17:25 <Horusofoz> sar3th: Hey man
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11:10:31 <pabot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
11:10:48 * ChrisMorgan is using Firefox 1.0.8 Portable :D
11:10:53 <ChrisMorgan> Very much more responsive.
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11:13:53 <pabot> ChrisMorgan42 is ChrisMorgan. ChrisMorgan is the Bible guy :D
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11:14:10 <ChrisMorgan> And it crashes! ;-)
11:14:43 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: progress update with MinGW Portable?
11:15:02 <sar3th> hello ChrisMorgan..ya i tried some things but the didn't work D:
11:15:16 <sar3th> you wanted me to save the Last paths and replace them in the fstab, right?
11:15:17 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... the Mibbit auto-scrolling-down is slightly dodgy in FF1... interesting ;-)
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11:15:45 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is working on plenty of gaming videos on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/onineoxes
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11:19:16 <pabot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer, and does BPBible, Inkscape, gVim, subcommander, and more
11:19:41 <ChrisMorgan> OK, FF1 seems too buggy with Mibbit.
11:19:53 <ChrisMorgan> I'm now installing a copy of FF 1.5 :P
11:20:04 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: so, what were you saying?
11:20:06 <ChrisMorgan> palogbot: uri?
11:20:06 <palogbot> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-04-12#T11-20-06
11:20:20 <sar3th> you wanted me to save the Last paths and replace them in the fstab, right?
11:20:25 <ChrisMorgan> ok.
11:20:32 <ChrisMorgan> can you pastebin it?
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11:20:46 <ChrisMorgan> 58% installing FFP1.5 :P
11:20:55 <sar3th> sure, just hang on a second..
11:22:13 <ChrisMorgan> That, of course, was back in the days of self-extracting ZIPs.
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11:26:27 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: http://pastebin.com/d7febb14e
11:27:42 <ChrisMorgan> btw sar3th please don't put in the Directory entries in the INI file - they're depracated... and in an app like MinGW you really don't want them to be variable at all.
11:28:06 <sar3th> okay, so i only save the last paths?
11:28:10 <ChrisMorgan> Your problem is that you have your Last things in the ./MinGWPortable.ini thing, rather than the thing in Data\settings or wherever
11:28:38 <ChrisMorgan> $EXEDIR\${NAME}.ini is for DisableSplashScreen and AdditionalParameters
11:28:57 <ChrisMorgan> Oh yeah, get rid of the Executable thing as well
11:29:43 <sar3th> okay
11:31:22 <ChrisMorgan> Note that in lines 216-217 you write to $SETTINGSDIRECTORY\${NAME}Settings.ini. This is correct.
11:31:52 <ChrisMorgan> But also you're using "Dir" there - that should be "Directory".
11:32:16 <sar3th> k
11:33:10 <ChrisMorgan> Lines 136-139 need to move down lower, and use $SETTINGSDIRECTORY\${NAME}Settings.ini.
11:33:45 <sar3th> i'm currently rewriting that part, h/o..
11:34:39 <ChrisMorgan> I'll give you my latest BPBible launcher as a basis for some things (note that it is not bug free yet with its sword.conf writing, but I don't htink that'll matter for you - you want other parts of it)
11:36:05 <sar3th> http://pastebin.com/d7c1ce808
11:37:18 <ChrisMorgan> http://pastebin.com/m7b27dda4 is the latest BPBible launcher
11:37:30 <ChrisMorgan> It may actually be bug-free now, I think I just fixed it :P
11:37:59 <sar3th> what do you suggest i should take over? or should i just read through it and see how things are done?
11:38:25 <ChrisMorgan> It's the Last handling stuff that I htink will be helpful to you
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11:38:36 <ChrisMorgan> There, that's twice I've written htink... :s
11:39:19 <ChrisMorgan> SettingsDirectory can also go from the ${NAME}.ini file
11:40:32 <ChrisMorgan> line 154, ${DEFAULTEXE} should be "quoted" (just to be certain... though it should always be a single word)
11:41:04 <ChrisMorgan> Line 170 you've got 1200ms as the show time - not sure where that came from; it should be 2000.
11:41:27 <sar3th> taskcoachportable was my base launcer
11:41:31 <sar3th> *launcher
11:41:37 <ChrisMorgan> OK, interesting!
11:41:52 <ChrisMorgan> 2 seconds is definitely waht it's meant to be.
11:42:59 <Oni-Neoxes> I feel dumb around you two XD
11:43:23 <ChrisMorgan> OK, your code is looking better (from a quick look-over) but not perfect. You'll need to put in the stuff for writing the last entry to e.g. "MINGWDIRECTORY" if it's not there (see line 197 of the BPBible launcher for how it's done - this is so that it'll work the first time)
11:43:26 <ChrisMorgan> Oni-Neoxes: no comment :P
11:43:32 <Oni-Neoxes> lol
11:44:01 <ChrisMorgan> I refuse to answer your comment on the grounds that I might incriminate myself ;-)
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11:46:09 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: ping
11:46:14 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: pong :P
11:46:21 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
11:46:23 <sar3th> i can compile with 4 warnings now :D
11:46:34 <ChrisMorgan> That's what you're meant to say (minus the ":P" though of course)
11:46:42 <ChrisMorgan> Good-oh :-)
11:46:48 <ChrisMorgan> Just unused label warnings?
11:46:53 <ChrisMorgan> I find them the most common
11:46:58 <ChrisMorgan> Or unused variables?
11:47:18 <sar3th> unused vars
11:47:26 <sar3th> i am not estonished about that
11:48:46 <sar3th> okay..how do you access !defined stuff again? ${name}?
11:48:57 <ChrisMorgan> yes
11:49:07 <ChrisMorgan> !define abc "def"
11:49:18 <ChrisMorgan> "${abc}" == "def"
11:49:47 <sar3th> good :)
11:50:05 <sar3th> no warnings anymore..dunno if it works though
11:50:13 <ChrisMorgan> :P
11:50:26 <ChrisMorgan> Well I'll be going to bed very soon, so I doubt I'll be able to help you test it.
11:50:28 <sar3th> http://pastebin.com/d8f5df8a
11:50:48 <sar3th> it's fine if you can look through the code :)
11:51:52 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: you don't need to acknowledge script header authors in the main script... in the header is fine (i.e. remove line 4)
11:52:36 <sar3th> okay, then i'll add ";Special thanks to ChrisMorgan for coding support :)" instead
11:52:48 <ChrisMorgan> That'd be nice, thanks :-)
11:53:56 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, just noticed that because you handle a new fstab file differently you don't need to preset LAST*, good :-)
11:53:56 <Oni-Neoxes> :P
11:54:04 <Oni-Neoxes> And Oni-Neoxes for stay cool :B
11:54:15 <Oni-Neoxes> staying*
11:54:19 <Oni-Neoxes> :B
11:55:35 <ChrisMorgan> Hey, I've just had an idea sar3th: on lines 181-182, set the default parameters to "MINGWDIR" and "HOMEDIR" and then you can chuck away lines 172-177 completely!
11:56:04 <ChrisMorgan> (lines 183-188 should be dedented one level to fit in with the indentation :P)
11:57:13 <sar3th> actually that's a good idea
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11:58:16 <ChrisMorgan> Line 216 looks like it should be a Rename job rather than a CopyFiles job (see also line 229)
11:58:16 <ChrisMorgan> Then you can also get rid of 228 and 230
11:58:16 <ChrisMorgan> (which is Rename etc->etc.old, then RMDir it)
11:58:23 <ChrisMorgan> Sure you can't map /etc like you do /mingw and /home?
11:58:45 <ChrisMorgan> What /is/ $EXEDIR\App\MSYS\msys.bat? Can it be done all inside the executable so that it's neater?
11:59:09 <Oni-Neoxes> rofl. you said bat
11:59:10 <ChrisMorgan> OK, with my suggestions, I think it's pretty good - nice going, sar3th! :-)
11:59:11 <Oni-Neoxes> :B
11:59:14 <sar3th> i don't think so, the mapping file lies in /etc..unfortunately
11:59:30 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, spose so... :s
11:59:31 <sar3th> and the msys.bat is pretty advanced..
11:59:36 <sar3th> i'll pastebin it for you
11:59:44 <ChrisMorgan> It's an MSYS-included thing is it?
11:59:53 <ChrisMorgan> Couldn't remember. Never really used MSYS seriously.
11:59:56 <sar3th> yes
12:00:10 <ChrisMorgan> ok, don't bother, I'll have it here.
12:00:19 <ChrisMorgan> Oni-Neoxes: that's what I intended to say - .bat = batch file
12:00:19 <sar3th> http://pastebin.com/ddfa2223
12:00:30 <Oni-Neoxes> I know ChrisMorgan.
12:00:48 <Oni-Neoxes> It's more of a "make myself sound like a tard" joke
12:00:57 <ChrisMorgan> :s
12:01:24 <ChrisMorgan> ARG! PortableApps.com DB server down! :o
12:01:50 <ChrisMorgan> back up :-)
12:02:27 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: ok, yours is 3 years newer than mine :P
12:02:43 <sar3th> lol
12:03:08 <sar3th> i figured it's best to use the current versions of mingw/msys since they are outdated, but the most current ones
12:03:15 <sar3th> and they work perfectly so far :)
12:03:32 <ChrisMorgan> Yup, looks as though calling msys.bat is what you need to do - good :-)
12:03:42 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: you should also be using the newer GetParametersUnicode for Unicode directory support.
12:03:45 <Oni-Neoxes> I hate rapidshare
12:04:01 <ChrisMorgan> *Random comment alert*
12:04:08 <sar3th> okay
12:04:25 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: if you need a copy of it, http://pastebin.com/d68e37549
12:04:27 <Oni-Neoxes> Their downloads freezing up on me D:
12:04:36 <ChrisMorgan> usage instructions in BPBible launcher I gave you earlier
12:04:45 <ChrisMorgan> well, usage example anyhow
12:04:59 <sar3th> thanks :)
12:05:11 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: kill off including Registry.nsh, you don't use it
12:05:59 <sar3th> same for GetRoot
12:06:04 <ChrisMorgan> No
12:06:15 <ChrisMorgan> There's no Unicode version for it, and no need for it actually
12:06:37 <sar3th> but i don't use GetRoot anymore, so i can kill it, can't i?
12:06:44 <sar3th> it's not necessary anymore
12:06:46 <ChrisMorgan> oic
12:06:54 <ChrisMorgan> yupkillit
12:07:01 <ChrisMorgan> (oic = oh, I see!)
12:07:12 <ChrisMorgan> I was still back at GetParametersUnicode :s
12:07:40 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: I reckon it'll be better actually in your case if you don't use the defines at the top of the variable declaration section (${MINGWDIRECTORY} and ${HOMEDIRECTORY}) - you've still used the vars most of the way. Change the def instances to referencing the vars.
12:07:58 <ChrisMorgan> That's just lines 184,187 (approx)
12:08:03 <ChrisMorgan> in UpdateLocations
12:08:24 <sar3th> sould i use the vars or the Defs?
12:08:35 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon stick with the vars
12:08:52 <ChrisMorgan> I actually started a dangerous initiative using defs there ;-)
12:08:57 <sar3th> okay
12:09:07 <ChrisMorgan> All other launchers use vars, I just couldn't see the point when they're static :P
12:09:22 <ChrisMorgan> I wonder whether the HOME directory should be user-configurable. D'ya reckon so?
12:10:07 <ChrisMorgan> The line which has " StrCpy $HOMEDIRECTORY "$EXEDIR\Data\${DEFAULTSETTINGSDIR}\home"" (~143) should use ${DEFAULTHOMEDIR} instead of "home"
12:10:24 <ChrisMorgan> And I reckon you should make HOME $EXEDIR\Data\home rather than $EXEDIR\Data\settings\home
12:10:37 <ChrisMorgan> Which would mean chucking away the "${DEFAULTSETTINGSDIR}\" bit of it
12:11:02 <ChrisMorgan> Are you keeping up with me? :P
12:11:29 <ChrisMorgan> Could I please have an updated copy of your launcher when you've done those?
12:11:37 <sar3th> yes, hang on..
12:11:47 <TaffinFoxcroft> ChrisMorgan: where is this GetParametersUnicode?
12:11:58 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: I pastebinned it a bit back.
12:12:07 <ChrisMorgan> http://pastebin.com/d68e37549
12:12:13 <TaffinFoxcroft> there isn't a need for it IMHO
12:12:42 <TaffinFoxcroft> they fixed the problems with unicode in GetParameters, so the unicode version isn't needed
12:12:44 <ChrisMorgan> There is - if the user installs to a directory with a unicode path, the standard one will break horribly
12:12:59 <ChrisMorgan> John says it's needed. I agree. It's needed.
12:13:12 <ChrisMorgan> Let's assume *U* is a unicode character.
12:13:26 <TaffinFoxcroft> http://portableapps.com/node/16938
12:13:27 <ChrisMorgan> User installs to X:\squoggle*U*squiggle
12:13:27 <sar3th> i still have to figure GetUnicode out..should i simply put it into a new include file?
12:13:36 <TaffinFoxcroft> ^^ reading that helps
12:13:41 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, GetParametersUnicode.nsh
12:14:04 <ChrisMorgan> ah k
12:14:06 <ChrisMorgan> thanks taffin
12:14:22 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: orders to use GetParametersUnicode.nsh have been recinded :-)
12:14:22 <TaffinFoxcroft> 'tis alright =P
12:14:32 <ChrisMorgan> Just use a modern version of NSIS
12:15:01 <sar3th> lol k
12:15:03 <sar3th> removing then
12:15:21 <TaffinFoxcroft> at least 2.4, preferably 2.44
12:15:38 <sar3th> i use 2.44
12:15:48 <sar3th> Portable Version :D
12:15:48 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry about that, I didn't realise - thanks for telling me TaffinFoxcroft :-)
12:15:58 <ChrisMorgan> Who doesn't? :P
12:16:19 <TaffinFoxcroft> speaking of which, I should post my test results of NSIS PR2
12:16:23 <TaffinFoxcroft> *PR4
12:16:31 <ChrisMorgan> Bit of a difference :P
12:16:45 <TaffinFoxcroft> mebbe
12:17:24 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: pastebinny pliz?
12:17:44 <sar3th> sure, just sorting out 3 more warnings
12:17:57 <ChrisMorgan> good :-)
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12:18:15 <pabot> ZachThibeau is a developer of DVDStylerPortable at PortableApps.com and is also developing musicplay3000 the open-source media player inspired by foobar2000
12:18:33 <TaffinFoxcroft> ohai ZachThibeau
12:18:52 <sar3th> http://pastebin.com/d22e85c28
12:18:58 <ChrisMorgan> Good - just found one more bug with my thing, SwordBible Portable path was taking over BibleCS Portable path... fixed now as well :-)
12:19:12 <ChrisMorgan> So now BPBible Portable 0.4.3 Pre-Release 1 should have a better launcher :-)
12:20:01 <ChrisMorgan> Ah good, I see you spotted the TaskCoachPortable thing which I'd missed sar3th :-)
12:20:09 <ChrisMorgan> 1.0.10 eh? Good :-)
12:20:44 <sar3th> yes, it's the current MSYS version (i finally added the version numbers)
12:21:11 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: sorry, think you misunderstood what I was saying about SETTINGSDIRECTORY.
12:21:16 <sar3th> could be
12:21:19 <ChrisMorgan> I was *just* meaning with the home directory
12:21:22 <ChrisMorgan> Not everywhere.
12:21:38 <ChrisMorgan> So you'll need to add back the !define DEFAULTSETTINGSDIRECTORY
12:22:00 <ChrisMorgan> And change line 128 back to what it was (default Data\${DEFAULTSETTINGSDIRECTORY})
12:22:05 <sar3th> and define it to what?
12:22:16 <ChrisMorgan> "settings"
12:22:35 <sar3th> okay..i really got you wrong then, sry
12:22:45 <ChrisMorgan> Line 130: StrCpy $HOMEDIRECTORY "$SETTINGSDIRECTORY\home"; this should be set to "$EXEDIR\Data\${DEFAULTHOMEDIRECTORY}"
12:23:00 <ChrisMorgan> *DEFAULTHOMEDIR
12:23:12 <ChrisMorgan> And the define DEFAULTSETTINGSDIR
12:23:20 <ChrisMorgan> drop the ECTORYs (sorry)
12:24:41 <ChrisMorgan> Line 206: Change "CopyFiles /SILENT" to "Rename"
12:24:47 <ChrisMorgan> And then remove lines 218, 220
12:25:05 <ChrisMorgan> That way the whole etc thing becomes rename into App, rename back into Data
12:25:44 <sar3th> okay..but what did you mean with "drop the ECTORYs"?
12:25:47 <ChrisMorgan> Line 208 should go down a couple of lines so that it's inside the RunLoop (otherwise the processor'll go beserk)
12:26:09 <ChrisMorgan> I mean where you've got the defines DEFAULT*DIR, don't do DEFAULT*DIRECTORY (as I mistakenly put)
12:26:18 <sar3th> okay
12:26:51 <ChrisMorgan> Your current RunLoop will cause trouble if you have a secondary copy still running when the first one quits - it has no sleep thing to stop it just searching like mad constantly.
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12:27:07 <ChrisMorgan> That's why the one (change it to two for good luck) second sleep needs to go inside the loop
12:27:36 <sar3th> but my runloop has sleep 500
12:27:52 <ChrisMorgan> Oh... whoops :S
12:27:54 <ChrisMorgan> :s
12:28:13 <ChrisMorgan> Probably best to make it 2000 - two seconds - to be less processor intensive
12:28:18 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry abotu that too :P
12:28:19 <sar3th> okay
12:28:54 <ChrisMorgan> BUG: lines 172-173 are reading the Last INI values from the ${NAME} section rather than the ${NAME}Settings section
12:28:58 <sar3th> i noticed that after invoking the .bat file i have to wait some time before looking for sh.exe because it takes some time to execute and launch
12:29:18 <ChrisMorgan> OK, with those done I think it should all work
12:29:25 <ChrisMorgan> Maybe make it say a 10 second wait then
12:29:40 <ChrisMorgan> Give it time to start, doesn't hurt
12:30:03 <sar3th> actually it does hurt..me^^but for users with slow drives, it's surely helpful
12:30:11 <ChrisMorgan> Actually, it'd be better safe than sorry: on a really slow computer it might take longer than 1 second and thus it'll bust.
12:30:17 <sar3th> yes
12:30:59 <sar3th> i hope i didn't miss anything: http://pastebin.com/d30d32e2c
12:31:04 <ChrisMorgan> To make it foolproof you'd really need to make it wait for sh and then wait till it's gone... but that's not going to be able to be done foolproofly with out a PPID... which is tricky, /very/ tricky with NSIS.
12:31:37 <sar3th> actually it's even more difficult since sh.exe is spawned by cmd.exe :S
12:31:40 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon leave it at a 10 second sleep.
12:31:50 <sar3th> i'm fine with that :)
12:32:01 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, so you'd need to get the PID of what you start, adn then search for sh.exe with a PPID of that PID.
12:33:07 <ChrisMorgan> Probably a good idea to put a comment in about why you're waiting 10 seconds.
12:33:13 <sar3th> k
12:33:17 <ChrisMorgan> That's looking good, nice going :-)
12:33:48 <ChrisMorgan> Little vanity point though... ;-) it'd be better as ";Special thanks to Chris Morgan of PortableApps.com for coding support :-)" :P
12:33:57 <ChrisMorgan> And "sar3th of PortableApps.com"
12:34:15 <ChrisMorgan> Each copyright should have "of PortableApps.com" when they are
12:34:34 <sar3th> the previous ones didn't have it, should i add it to them?
12:34:42 <ChrisMorgan> Yup
12:34:54 <ChrisMorgan> And it looks like you did a lowercase (c) for your copyright rather than an uppercase one :P
12:35:16 <ChrisMorgan> As you can see, I'm down to nitpicking comments! :o
12:35:19 <sar3th> not really (or i fixed it already)
12:35:21 <ChrisMorgan> That must mean that it's pretty good :-)
12:35:25 <sar3th> ya :)
12:35:32 * TaffinFoxcroft wishes that ChrisMorgan would direct that level of criticalness into thr RT
12:35:54 <ChrisMorgan> (Looks crestfallen) I was looking at the wrong copy... got three open in two Vim diffs :-(
12:36:22 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: I am... when I'm getting to it. I think that MinGW is pretty important at the moment as support for Code::Blocks Portable which should go out asap really
12:36:23 <sar3th> do you think i should add the commandprompt portable stuff in dev test 2 or is dev test 3 okay as well?
12:37:33 <ChrisMorgan> Do it now I reckon. Just duplicate the launcher, set the HOME environment var, add bin to the *start* of the path (for precedence) and remove the "/C thingy" bit out of the exec string for starters.
12:37:43 <ChrisMorgan> Then you've got the AppInfo stuff to deal with.
12:37:56 <ChrisMorgan> D'ya reckon give 'em both the same icon or not?
12:38:29 <sar3th> idk, i thought giving MinGWPortable the mingw icon, msysportable the msys icon and cmdprompt the cmdpromptportable one
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12:38:46 <sar3th> i have to search for the mingw icon though
12:38:52 <ChrisMorgan> But what's MinGW Portable, that's the issue.
12:39:05 <sar3th> mingw icon i guess
12:39:13 <ChrisMorgan> But what will it run?
12:39:27 <sar3th> the mingwportable i refer to is the 'big' installer
12:39:55 <sar3th> which extracts the other two
12:40:16 <ChrisMorgan> When multiple icons are shown, you get Start1=cmd, Start2=msys. But what about when it's just one?
12:40:41 <ChrisMorgan> The MinGW icon must be App\AppInfo\appicon.ico, which must be used if it's contracted into one icon
12:40:46 <ChrisMorgan> Look at how OO.oP does it
12:40:55 <sar3th> yes, that's where i wanted to put it now
12:41:00 <sar3th> just looking for it atm
12:41:07 <ChrisMorgan> Run CMD or MSYS for one icon?
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12:41:31 <sar3th> i prefer msys but i don't really care..
12:41:34 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon MSYS would be the better choice, but then, you want it having the /MSYS/ icon, not the /MinGW/ one... :s
12:41:52 <ChrisMorgan> Maybe give it the MinGW icon when it's run as the single app showing.
12:41:59 <ChrisMorgan> That's probably easiest.
12:42:15 <ChrisMorgan> That way you can have the MinGW icon for the installer.
12:42:23 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I'm going to bed now. Have fun, sar3th!
12:42:32 <ChrisMorgan> TaffinFoxcroft: past your bed time too, off to bed :P
12:42:39 <sar3th> okay..sleep well ChrisMorgan, i hope i will release dev test 2 today :)
12:42:56 <ChrisMorgan> yay!
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14:32:47 <Robin__> hello. I'm trying to make a PortableApps launcher for an Portable Ubuntu for Windows. This is the first time I've tried to make a PortableApp. Can anyone help me out?
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14:36:21 <Robin__> I couldn't see on the PortableApps site how I make the actual .exe file? I need a UbuntuForWindowsPortable.exe files which will run app/UbuntuForWindows/run_portable_ubuntu.bat. But I don't know how to create it
14:37:50 <Robin__> It would also be nice to be able to extract app/UbuntuForWindows/config/portable_ubuntu.conf and app/images/rootfs.img to the "data/" directory. Is there any way that I can do this? Do I need to find command-line arguments or something?
14:39:39 <dbdii407> There is no complete "how-to" on how to make a portableapp.
14:40:19 <Robin__> Yep. I think I've read most of what there is. Which is why I'm here :)
14:42:37 <dbdii407> Have you studied on your NSIS?
14:43:13 <Robin__> well I studied the one that comes with the portableapps installer
14:43:39 <Robin__> didn't seem to mention the creation of the .exe file, or how to move files to the /data directory
14:44:02 <Robin__> It's mostly about the name for the app, and what directories and files to overwrite when upgrading
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14:44:17 <dbdii407> You drag the .nsi file into the compiler .exe
14:45:32 <Robin__> well the guide said you right-click on "PortableApps.comInstaller.nsi" and click "compile NSIS script"
14:45:34 <Robin__> which is easy enough
14:46:00 <Robin__> I havent tried it yet, but it doesn't look like that creates the actual launcher .exe file for me
14:46:12 <dbdii407> That's if your using the NONPortable NSIS. ;)
14:46:44 <Robin__> right. well that's fine with me.
14:46:54 <dbdii407> If your using "NSISPortable" from PortableApps.com, you have to drag it. ;)
14:46:57 <Robin__> since there's no options in PortableApps.comInstallerConfig.nsh for how to create the launcher, I assume it doesn't get created
14:47:09 <Robin__> so how do I create it?
14:47:20 <dbdii407> You only drag ApplicationPortable.nsi
14:47:40 <Robin__> umm...
14:47:42 <Robin__> oh.
14:48:02 <Robin__> portableapps installer .nsh files don't mention ApplicationPortable.nsi
14:48:07 <Robin__> ill check out Sumatra
14:48:32 <dbdii407> The installer .nsi is for the Installer. :/
14:48:45 <dbdii407> If you want the launcher its ApplicationPortable.nsi
14:49:11 <Robin__> okay
14:49:43 <Robin__> yeah I'll try to copy and edit SumatraPDF's "SumatraPDFPortable.nsi" and see how I get on
14:51:23 <dbdii407> .nsh files don't even compile. :/
14:51:49 <dbdii407> They will be added when you compile the .nsi file that needs it.
14:52:34 <Robin__> someone sure
14:52:40 <Robin__> oops
14:52:48 <Robin__> sure. that makes sense.
14:54:47 <Robin__> someone should create a skeleton app, which contains all the standard directory structure and example appinfo.ini, PortableApps.comInstallerConfig.nsh and AppNamePortable.nsi with instructions
14:54:58 <Robin__> that would make writing a general tutorial so much easier
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14:55:32 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is working on plenty of gaming videos on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/onineoxes
14:55:33 <dbdii407> NSIS is very (VERY) easy. If you don't get it, you need to start studying. ;)
14:56:32 <dbdii407> The NSIS help file explains all of the commands functions.
14:56:51 <Robin__> It's not NSIS that's the problem, it's the general stuff, like the directory structure, the fact that you need to copy an existing AppNamePortable.nsi file and edit to create a launcher...
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14:57:24 <Robin__> it's all very well to say "RTFM" but at the end of the day if you have to read too many manuals hardly anyone will end up creating portableapps, which is not (I'm assuming) what you want
14:57:38 <Robin__> I'd far rather not have to really bother to learn NSIS, and I imagine many other people would too
14:59:02 <sar3th> palogbot: .uri
14:59:12 <dbdii407> The "design structure" was designed to fit all apps. To make it faster to complete the project.
14:59:14 <dbdii407> palogbot: uri
14:59:14 <palogbot> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-04-12#T14-59-14
14:59:35 <sar3th> palogbot: uri?
14:59:35 <palogbot> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-04-12#T14-59-35
14:59:45 <sar3th> ty dbdii407 :)
14:59:50 <dbdii407> Np
15:00:10 <Robin__> I know. the design structure is awesome.
15:00:21 <Robin__> it makes sense, it's intuitive
15:01:11 <Robin__> I'm just saying, for those creating portable-apps, having an already built skeleton structure they could download with example config files with instructions would help with the learning curve. that's all.
15:01:22 <Robin__> I'll try to create one once I've learned a bit more
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15:01:55 <sar3th> Robin__: normally you should download some launcher and start from there on, for example tunderbird portable
15:02:06 <Robin__> sure
15:02:22 <Robin__> I obviously should have done that instead.
15:02:37 <sar3th> it's way harder to do it from scratch
15:02:53 <Robin__> But a specially created generic one would have been better. Imho.
15:03:19 <sar3th> yeah, me2..much like a techdemo
15:03:43 <sar3th> i mean i think so as well ^^
15:04:18 <Robin__> I tend to try to do most stuff from scratch cos it forces me, in most cases, to learn more about the system, and doesn't trap me into making potential bad decisions that might be in the previous app.
15:04:32 <Robin__> but I really should have just edited sumatra
15:04:43 <Robin__> (as I'm doing now)
15:05:24 <sar3th> if you want, you can put together your own base launcher which could be used as reference and post it in the forums, i'm sure people will be there to pick it up ;)
15:06:16 <Robin__> Yep I think I might do just that. But I'll wait until I know a bit more about how it all works.
15:06:28 <Robin__> I only started looking into this today
15:06:51 <Robin__> since I fell in love with Portable Ubuntu for Windows last night
15:06:52 <sar3th> if you have any questions, feel free to ask in here or in #portableapps-dev
15:07:21 <Robin__> yep thanks :)
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16:42:56 <TimClark> "Twitter worm outbreak over Easter" http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001653.html
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16:54:47 <WastePotato> Heh.
16:55:17 <WastePotato> IIRC, some people here were working on developing Xchat portable. What's the progress on that so far?
16:55:37 <WastePotato> 5D
16:55:39 <sar3th> WastePotato: we have problems compiling the sourcecode :(
16:55:40 <WastePotato> Bah.
16:55:50 <WastePotato> ):
16:55:58 <sar3th> yes, it's sad..D:
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17:11:41 <Sancas> dbdii407, whats happen??
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17:26:07 <ZachThibeau> there email sent :P
17:26:33 <ZachThibeau> I really felt like adding in the email though this one line from a movie called hacker "mess with the best, die like the rest" XD
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17:26:43 <ZachThibeau> oops
17:26:51 <ZachThibeau> sorry that was directed at sa
17:26:54 <ZachThibeau> sar3th:
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17:41:20 <andreasma> hi
17:41:57 <TimClark> Hello andreasma , happy easter, all is quiet in here today, has been for a while
17:43:00 <ZachThibeau> howdy andreasma
17:43:25 <andreasma> howdy ZachThibeau TimClark
17:43:40 <andreasma> happy easter TimClark
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18:34:54 <Bensawsome> >_>
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19:53:36 <NecroLink90> Hello guys
19:53:53 <NecroLink90> How do I leave #portableapps from Mibbit
19:53:59 <NecroLink90> <-- is Oni-Neoxes
19:54:05 <sar3th> type /part #portableapps
19:54:07 <NecroLink90> I'm on my bro's account
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19:54:11 <NecroLink90> thanks sar3th
19:54:19 <NecroLink90> TimClark: did you get the tell?
19:54:40 <NecroLink90> eh
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19:56:17 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is working on plenty of gaming videos on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/onineoxes
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20:03:42 <pa_3108> Hi I have soemthing to ask why is some software under false advertisment. It really hurts my feelings
20:04:35 <TimClark> pa_3108: could you explain what you mean ?
20:05:37 <pa_3108> I did try a software. They say it was a freeware. But the fine print says that is was a free trial
20:05:53 <pa_3108> why lie
20:05:59 <TimClark> that is what free ware usually is
20:06:24 <TimClark> the term was invented back when there were no free trials, you had to pay to try
20:06:32 <pa_3108> But I was to believe to be free of charge
20:06:54 <TimClark> most freeware is only trial
20:07:04 <TimClark> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware
20:07:17 <pa_3108> That really sucks
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20:07:44 <TimClark> it's the way things are, the term has been around for a long time
20:07:44 <pa_3108> That really hurts
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20:08:38 <TimClark> Nothing that can be done about it really
20:10:13 <pa_3108> And other thing. basiclly the same thing. The fine print says a other thing. And I did ask them about that. And they did say. That is not to worry about that is old infomation it is now a freeware. But why not change it
20:10:42 <TimClark> That's up to them
20:10:46 <TimClark> Nothing that can be done about it really
20:11:35 <pa_3108> That really does hurt. To making fun of me
20:12:07 <TimClark> They probably are not making fun of you, they just don't want to deal with the issue
20:12:07 <pa_3108> What should I trust
20:12:23 <TimClark> Maybe you shouldn't
20:12:37 <TimClark> Just don't use their software
20:12:51 <pa_3108> What is the deal with PortableApps?
20:13:04 <TimClark> Free to use, always
20:13:20 <pa_3108> Should I trust you?
20:13:45 <TimClark> Up to you, use the software and wait to see if anything asks you for money
20:13:46 <pa_3108> And Why should I
20:14:17 <TimClark> Just use our software till he makes you unhappy and then get rid of it
20:14:17 <Oni-Neoxes> testy much?
20:14:43 <pa_3108> YES. Being miad fool alot
20:14:48 <pa_3108> maid
20:15:12 <TimClark> Just don't use the software you don't want to pay for
20:15:23 <pa_3108> Alright
20:15:46 <pa_3108> My friend happy PortableApps fan
20:15:57 <pa_3108> say You are all ok
20:16:06 <pa_3108> You are the good guys
20:16:12 <TimClark> We give you what we say we will give you, makes most folks happy
20:16:21 <TimClark> We try to be good guys
20:16:53 <pa_3108> Alright. I am gonna try
20:17:16 <TimClark> Enjoy
20:17:33 <pa_3108> Just little hard
20:17:54 <TimClark> What is a little hard ?
20:18:11 <pa_3108> to trust
20:18:26 <pa_3108> Dont mean to you think that I was thinking you are like those other
20:18:33 <pa_3108> I am so sorry
20:18:47 <TimClark> Worse that could happen is you use our software and don't like it so you get rid of it
20:19:02 <pa_3108> Alright
20:19:07 <pa_3108> I am
20:19:09 <pa_3108> thanks
20:19:24 <pa_3108> bye
20:19:25 <TimClark> Your welcome, have a good day
20:19:30 <TimClark> Good bye
20:19:40 <pa_3108> the same to you
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21:02:52 <pabot> Gizmokid2005 is the in-house pidgin expert (usually), and is working on KVIrc Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/18626
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21:12:37 <TimClark> More Twitter worm/attacks are being reported, see link I gave earlier :(
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21:15:59 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is working on plenty of gaming videos on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/onineoxes
21:16:25 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello all
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21:16:38 <pabot> gluxon is not dumb. SO don't mess with the Bighead!!!
21:17:00 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello gluxon
21:17:08 <Oni-Neoxes> i need further help
21:17:17 <Oni-Neoxes> Video card thingy
21:17:59 <gluxon> Hi.
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21:18:38 <Oni-Neoxes> my ISVR3 card needs software now
21:19:32 <TimClark> Oni-Neoxes: you really need to use the methods you did yesterday, search , search, search :(
21:20:09 <Oni-Neoxes> you still have that tell?
21:20:33 <Oni-Neoxes> sourceforge page is what i need
21:20:45 <Oni-Neoxes> TimClark: You still have it?
21:20:52 <TimClark> nope
21:21:15 <Oni-Neoxes> darn 3:
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21:22:40 <TimClark> Oni-Neoxes: http://btwincap.sourceforge.net/
21:23:22 <Oni-Neoxes> Thanks :D
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21:26:35 <Nathan92220> sup everyone..... can someone confirm this? http://portableapps.com/development/test#comment-116928
21:28:06 <Gizmokid2005> Nathan92220: I don't see what the issue is...is a table screwed up
21:28:07 <Gizmokid2005> ?
21:28:28 <Nathan92220> yeah look at the top of it
21:28:33 <Nathan92220> its all huge now
21:28:45 <Nathan92220> before chris mad his revision it was just fine
21:28:46 <Gizmokid2005> which one?
21:28:50 <Gizmokid2005> there are three tables...
21:28:51 <Nathan92220> Development one
21:29:26 <Gizmokid2005> its because portable release is so big
21:29:29 <Gizmokid2005> it's two lines now
21:29:29 <Oni-Neoxes> WOO HOO!
21:29:31 <Oni-Neoxes> WORKS !!!
21:29:33 <Oni-Neoxes> :D:D:D:D
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21:29:50 <TimClark> Development one looks like the others really
21:30:06 <Gizmokid2005> TimClark: just the heading is two lines now
21:30:08 <Gizmokid2005> instead of one.
21:30:15 <TimClark> so ?
21:30:26 <Gizmokid2005> TimClark: doesn't seem to be an issue to me...
21:30:31 <Nathan92220> Makes it look odd thats what im tryin to say
21:30:34 <Gizmokid2005> that's what Nathan92220 is pointing out...
21:30:36 <Gizmokid2005> not really Nathan92220
21:30:38 <Gizmokid2005> I don't see how it does.
21:31:22 <Nathan92220> umm because its not the same size as the others thats y it looks odd, the header that is
21:31:55 <Gizmokid2005> Nathan92220: that's all....thats not really an issue...how do you propose it's fixed?
21:32:43 <Nathan92220> idk
21:32:59 <TimClark> I say don't even give it a second thought
21:32:59 <Nathan92220> it might not be fixable
21:33:08 <Gizmokid2005> Nathan92220: it's a non-issue...so why bring it up?
21:33:16 <Gizmokid2005> just because it's not identical to the other tables...
21:33:20 <Gizmokid2005> the headings that is...
21:33:27 <Nathan92220> just pointing it out
21:33:36 <Gizmokid2005> well, it's a non-issue Nathan92220, really...
21:34:31 <Gizmokid2005> it would seem you are saying something/complaining just to be heard...
21:34:53 <Nathan92220> what? Not even it seems like your taking this out of proportion
21:35:05 <TimClark> Anyway, Gizmokid2005 are you going to be around for a while?
21:35:09 <Gizmokid2005> TimClark: I am
21:35:27 <Gizmokid2005> Nathan92220: you are making it sound like it's a major issue that needs to be fixed...like CM did something wrong...it's just how the table is...
21:35:59 <TimClark> I have been "on duty" most of the day, time some of you slackers hold down the fort for a while :P
21:36:44 <Gizmokid2005> lol
21:36:46 <Gizmokid2005> you shush TimClark
21:36:49 <TimClark> I have some deviled eggs with my name on them, and they are calling me
21:36:50 <Gizmokid2005> I've had a migraine all day
21:36:55 <Gizmokid2005> oohhh...send some to me?
21:37:06 <Nathan92220> i never made it seem like that, I was just pointing it out so if It was an issue someone could come along and take a look at it
21:37:18 <TimClark> wish i could , sorry, they don't travel via irc very well :)
21:37:36 <Gizmokid2005> well dang...that's for the offer though :)
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21:37:49 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is working on plenty of gaming videos on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/onineoxes
21:37:54 <Oni-Neoxes> :B kinda back
21:37:54 <Gizmokid2005> I'll probably be around until 8 or so EDT, so another 2.5ish hours
21:37:59 <Oni-Neoxes> Video works now audio XD
21:39:03 <Oni-Neoxes> darn SrgSiler|AFK is away D:
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21:45:10 <JacobMastel> You know you're going to be bored when you're at a family gathering and your parents are the youngest people in the room by like 15-20 years
21:46:28 <sar3th> Relase: MinGW Portable Development Test 2: http://portableapps.com/node/18601
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21:47:03 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is working on plenty of gaming videos on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/onineoxes
21:47:09 <Oni-Neoxes> Stupid IE8 is Stupid
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21:48:37 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello ghost
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21:54:23 <Oni-Neoxes> SergentSiler!
21:54:36 <Oni-Neoxes> The sound card you have. can it capture?
21:54:49 <SergentSiler> donno
21:54:53 <Oni-Neoxes> D:
21:54:58 <SergentSiler> it has inputs n stuff
21:55:00 <Oni-Neoxes> I got video working now I need audio
21:55:08 <SergentSiler> so i guess mine captures
21:56:33 <Oni-Neoxes> who created Creative Audio PCI WDM
21:56:48 <SergentSiler> donno :/
21:57:09 <andreasma> bye
21:57:10 <Oni-Neoxes> wait
21:57:14 <Oni-Neoxes> let me try audactiy
21:57:18 <SergentSiler> lol
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21:57:32 <TimClark> Oni-Neoxes: Creative Labs ;)
21:57:47 <Oni-Neoxes> nope D:
21:57:57 <SergentSiler> lol
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21:59:23 <Oni-Neoxes> whats your card?
21:59:36 <SergentSiler> ct4740
22:00:01 <Oni-Neoxes> thanks
22:04:39 <Oni-Neoxes> <_<
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22:04:56 <SergentSiler> lol
22:09:08 <Oni-Neoxes> there was sapposed to have a CD with it O:
22:09:18 <SergentSiler> :o
22:09:46 <Oni-Neoxes> Ebay has it
22:09:48 <Oni-Neoxes> with card
22:09:51 <SergentSiler> lol
22:10:04 <Oni-Neoxes> I can play my nintendo Wii on compy without audio XD
22:10:11 <SergentSiler> :P
22:10:12 <Oni-Neoxes> lol
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22:11:35 <Oni-Neoxes> that means Ben is near
22:11:43 <SergentSiler> yarly
22:11:58 <Oni-Neoxes> brb
22:12:00 <Oni-Neoxes> gatta restart
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22:22:39 <pabot> Oni-Neoxes is working on plenty of gaming videos on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/onineoxes
22:22:44 <Oni-Neoxes> nope
22:22:46 <Oni-Neoxes> no worky
22:22:51 <SergentSiler> D:
22:23:46 <Oni-Neoxes> 3:
22:32:01 <Oni-Neoxes> im also confused D:
22:32:14 <SergentSiler> :(
22:32:47 <Oni-Neoxes> Where does the red and white plug into the card :B
22:33:05 <SergentSiler> ?
22:33:21 <Oni-Neoxes> At the end of the Wii. red and white audio
22:33:23 <Oni-Neoxes> into the card
22:33:26 <SergentSiler> lol
22:33:31 <SergentSiler> u need a converter :P
22:34:17 <Oni-Neoxes> D:
22:35:20 <Oni-Neoxes> seriously?
22:35:24 <SergentSiler> ya
22:35:33 <SergentSiler> unless u have a specialized card
22:35:41 <Oni-Neoxes> ARGH
22:35:45 <Oni-Neoxes> X_X
22:35:49 <SergentSiler> :P
22:36:03 <SergentSiler> they cost like $5 for a cheap converter
22:36:15 <Oni-Neoxes> nrnrnrnrnrnrnr
22:36:17 <Oni-Neoxes> <_<
22:36:21 <SergentSiler> neener
22:36:59 <Oni-Neoxes> >_<
22:37:35 <Oni-Neoxes> ARGH
22:37:37 <Oni-Neoxes> so close!
22:37:39 <Oni-Neoxes> ARGH
22:37:55 <SergentSiler> lol
22:38:33 <Gizmokid2005> alright guys....-ot or pm for the bashfest, kthx :P
22:38:42 <Gizmokid2005> (and I mean it. Thx :) )
22:38:46 <SergentSiler> no bashfest here...
22:39:42 * Oni-Neoxes starts shaking
22:39:58 <TimClark> guys, at this point you should go to pm as it is basically a chat between you to and is degrading
22:40:12 <SergentSiler> kk
22:40:20 <SergentSiler> Oni-Neoxes, silerspot is open
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23:14:25 <TimClark> gizmokid2005 the floor is your, blessed holiday to all :)
23:14:38 <Gizmokid2005> awesome
23:14:39 <Gizmokid2005> lol
23:14:40 <Gizmokid2005> see ya TimClark
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