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01:57:57 <JohnTHaller> RELEASE: Skype Portable 0.9 Launcher Test: http://portableapps.com/node/19416
01:58:11 <daBomb69> Sweet :D
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01:58:24 * daBomb69 high 5s JohnTHaller (Hi, btw)
01:58:30 <JohnTHaller> Howdy
01:58:32 <JohnTHaller> hi5 back
01:58:39 <daBomb69> :)
01:58:52 <JohnTHaller> I wanted to post a quick demo of the new installer features and figured Skype would be a good one
01:59:15 <daBomb69> Ya :)
01:59:35 <daBomb69> And, it'll please the hundreds of people wanting a Skype PA
02:00:10 <daBomb69> Uhh... what are the new installer features though?
02:01:07 <JohnTHaller> ability to copy files from a local install of software into a portable app... so you can portablize stuff that we don't yet have permission to package
02:01:15 <daBomb69> Oh, nice :)
02:01:38 <JohnTHaller> ability to download files from online and copy them into apps or extract files from ZIPs and many installers
02:01:59 <daBomb69> wow, thats rly cool :)
02:02:15 <daBomb69> Jw, can it extract from .exe files?
02:03:24 <JohnTHaller> depends on the installer. but yeah
02:03:29 <daBomb69> cool :)
02:03:32 <JohnTHaller> it automatically bundles and uses 7zip
02:03:38 <daBomb69> nice
02:03:44 <JohnTHaller> all no code required of course. just make the right INI entries
02:03:59 * daBomb69 <3 this new installer
02:04:03 <Bensawsome> ygiulh'{KL:
02:04:09 <Bensawsome> oh shoot sry ghuys <_<
02:04:10 <daBomb69> This is 0.91 installer, right?
02:04:18 <Mir> hey JohnTHaller
02:04:23 <daBomb69> Bensawsome, engrish plz :P
02:04:28 <JohnTHaller> yeah 0.91
02:04:29 <Bensawsome> freakin wasp got in the house somehow and landed on my keyboard
02:04:30 <JohnTHaller> hi Mir
02:04:41 <Mir> do you know if VLC portable suppoers TV tuners?
02:04:49 <JohnTHaller> In case you missed it... Skype Portable 0.9 Launcher Test: http://portableapps.com/node/19416
02:04:53 <Mir> just curious
02:04:55 <Bensawsome> o_0
02:05:07 <Bensawsome> JohnTHaller made by.... you/offical people?! :D
02:05:07 <JohnTHaller> Mir: I don't think it does anything tv-related, no
02:05:09 <Mir> JohnTHaller: i log so i know
02:05:31 <Mir> 9.9.0 seems to get the audio for my TV tuner but no video
02:05:35 <JohnTHaller> Bensawsome: It's just a dead basic launcher that demos the installer's new abilities
02:05:49 <JohnTHaller> it grabs your local Skype install and copies it in automatically
02:05:52 <Mir> so i am trying some FOSS mediacenter alternitive from sourceforge
02:05:53 <daBomb69> JohnTHaller, does it actually work as a PA?
02:06:00 <JohnTHaller> yup
02:06:07 <daBomb69> yay :)
02:06:13 * Mir doesnt use SKYPE
02:06:17 <Mir> no one to call
02:06:19 <Bensawsome> ah ok JohnTHaller cool :)
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02:06:44 <JohnTHaller> It'll show in the current pa.c menu without the skpe icon but will show it in 1.6 pr 1
02:11:53 <daBomb69> Anyone know where that one page on PA.c is that shows the currant prereleases or whatever it was?
02:12:53 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/development is the dev hub. click test releases there
02:13:09 <daBomb69> Thanks
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02:15:33 <daBomb69> JohnTHaller, jw, with the splash screen thing, when the RT says that an app is ready for PR, does the app's dev need to make the final splash screen, or does PA.c have someone who does that?
02:16:09 <JohnTHaller> i do it right now
02:16:21 <daBomb69> Oh, ok
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02:24:14 <daBomb69> JohnTHaller, on the test release page, are the comments supposed to be in link format like http://portableapps.com/development/test#comment-117430 or in boxyish format like http://portableapps.com/development/test#comment-117701 ?
02:24:48 <JohnTHaller> dunno actually
02:25:10 <daBomb69> Oh. Which would you/other mods prefer?
02:27:19 <JohnTHaller> i'm not in charge of the page, so i don't know. do whatever most others do
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02:28:50 <JohnTHaller> sry crashed
02:29:30 <daBomb69> wb :)
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02:38:33 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is
02:38:38 <daBomb69> Awesome
02:39:23 <Bensawsome> no he just IS
02:39:29 <Bensawsome> thats how epic he is ;)
02:39:51 <daBomb69> lol
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02:41:10 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, ChrisMorgan just is ;-)
02:41:28 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: are you available for some questions and discussion about the installer and launcher?
02:42:26 <JohnTHaller> sup
02:42:31 <ChrisMorgan> Firstly the installer. Inkscape has its langauge files all over the place, generally in the form *-lang.svg, but some other things as well - the INI moving thing just won't work at all (you've also got to leave in *-en.svg), so can it stay using the InkscapePortableOptional1 directory?
02:42:43 <ChrisMorgan> It uses them for e.g. tutorial files.
02:43:04 <JohnTHaller> That directory will be killed by the installer, I believe
02:43:24 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... I really can't release another version of it until I can just use Optional1.
02:43:28 <JohnTHaller> And remember you don't need to get every language file. Just the big ones that make the size difference
02:43:45 <ChrisMorgan> That's the problem - most of the things /are/ comparatively big.
02:43:59 <JohnTHaller> what's the size of inkscape with/without the additional languages?
02:44:11 <ChrisMorgan> Umm... look at the PR1 page :P
02:44:18 <JohnTHaller> link
02:44:25 <ChrisMorgan> .def inkscape
02:44:25 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: Sorry, but I don't know about inkscape
02:44:27 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: Database error occurred
02:44:36 <ChrisMorgan> ARGH!
02:44:39 <daBomb69> when did pabot get back?
02:44:51 <ChrisMorgan> .pa Inkscape Portable 0.46 Pre-Release 1
02:45:10 <JohnTHaller> it's faster to just click myself
02:45:37 <JohnTHaller> so why can't you use the INI entries? how many files are there?
02:45:46 <daBomb69> .g Inkscape Portable 0.49 Pre Release 1 site:portableapps.com
02:45:47 <GizmoBot> daBomb69: No results found for 'Inkscape Portable 0.49 Pre Release 1 site:portableapps.com'.
02:45:48 <pabot> daBomb69: No results found for 'Inkscape Portable 0.49 Pre Release 1 site:portableapps.com'.
02:45:52 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... this machine only has USB 1.1, so even now that I've opened the installer, I've typed all this and it's only 70% done verifying files :P
02:46:04 <JohnTHaller> can we please work and not play with the stupid bot guys
02:46:10 <ChrisMorgan> daBomb69: 0.46...
02:46:14 <daBomb69> Sorry
02:46:16 <daBomb69> Oh
02:46:22 <ChrisMorgan> 65.2 -> 110.9
02:46:23 <ChrisMorgan> MB
02:46:27 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: I got that
02:46:36 <JohnTHaller> how many files are there that should be optional?
02:46:44 <ChrisMorgan> 45.7MB difference... didn't realise there was so much...
02:46:55 <ChrisMorgan> checking...
02:47:13 <daBomb69> http://portableapps.com/node/17707
02:47:13 <ChrisMorgan> Currently 393 files in 242 folders...
02:47:45 <JohnTHaller> So how do you separate them out now?
02:47:54 <ChrisMorgan> I did it manually.
02:48:01 <ChrisMorgan> dir /s *-*.svg mainly...
02:48:06 <JohnTHaller> ouch
02:48:22 <ChrisMorgan> App\Inkscape\lib\locale is 220 files, 11.2MB, and can be completely optional.
02:48:39 <JohnTHaller> can you do that and transform the listing into into text and then do a search replace to make the INI file entries?
02:48:58 <ChrisMorgan> App\Inkscape\locale is 61 files, 10.9MB, and can also be completely optional
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02:49:47 <alpha1beta> hey guys
02:49:51 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm...
02:50:07 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: OK, I'm doing a listing now...
02:50:08 <alpha1beta> anyone check out Google Wave yet?
02:50:09 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: I just updated the spec... I forgot that entry.
02:50:18 <ChrisMorgan> Which entry?
02:50:57 <daBomb69> alpha1beta, Google what?
02:51:09 <JohnTHaller> The optional listings for directories and files (OptionalDirectory1 and OptionalFile1) can go from 1 to 2,147,483,648 I believe.
02:51:17 <alpha1beta> Google Wave, search it, but lets keep the main room clear, they're busy
02:51:18 <ChrisMorgan> btw JohnTHaller I noticed an error in the spec, the DoubleExtract thing mentions a .zip file as both test.zip and data.zip
02:51:26 <ChrisMorgan> Ah good then.
02:51:42 <ChrisMorgan> In which case it is at the very least... possible... if not very neat :P
02:52:15 <JohnTHaller> got it. fixed.
02:52:24 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks :-)
02:52:25 <JohnTHaller> Try to combine things into directories and wildcards as much as possible.
02:52:34 <ChrisMorgan> OK then, I'll just simplify the masks as much as possible.
02:52:42 <JohnTHaller> The goal is so that you don't have to manyally do anything for each new release.
02:53:26 <alpha1beta> @JohnTHaller and that is just plain awesome :D
02:53:38 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
02:55:04 <ChrisMorgan> If you're interested to see what the files are, here (relative to App\Inkscape, lib\locale\* and locale\* removed): http://mibbit.com/pb/sXobMS
02:55:08 <JohnTHaller> I had a habit of messing up a file or two trying to manually compile the Optional1 sections for a couple apps. This takes care of it. Most apps keep em in 1 or 2 directories. Inkscape will prob be tougher. Just try and get most.
02:55:36 <ChrisMorgan> I'll get them all :-)
02:55:58 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... maybe it would be easier to be able to exclude files from optional1 as well
02:56:04 <JohnTHaller> alpha1beta: glad you like it
02:56:05 <ChrisMorgan> I think I'll be able to do things as e.g. *.ca.svg and *-ca.svg, for each langauge, which should get them all.
02:56:21 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, it would be, then we could just have *.*.svg and exclude *.en.svg
02:56:26 <alpha1beta> JohnTHaller if it's open source I like it, if it works well I love it :D
02:56:32 <JohnTHaller> Just keep in mind that it won't go into directories. It's just one level
02:56:42 <ChrisMorgan> I was just about to ask about that...
02:56:49 <ChrisMorgan> *\*.*.svg wouldn't work?
02:57:04 <JohnTHaller> Nope. It's files in a single directory.
02:57:14 <ChrisMorgan> At least then you could do App\Inkscape\share\tutorials\*.*.svg
02:57:27 <JohnTHaller> path\path\path\ and then filename. and only filename can do wildcards
02:57:35 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: yeah, that would work
02:57:36 <ChrisMorgan> OK
02:58:01 <ChrisMorgan> It's really not that complex. As a matter of fact, all the SVG files I missed with my first DT, it was raised by someone, which is why I then went and found them all.
02:58:24 <ChrisMorgan> OK then, PR2 should come out soon if I happen to get round to polishing the last changes to the launcher
02:58:44 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: will a Java Portable installer be coming soon now that we've got PAI 0.91?
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02:58:58 <JohnTHaller> relatively soon, yes.
02:59:04 <ChrisMorgan> ah ;-)
02:59:05 <JohnTHaller> i just need to finish the plugin side of the installer
02:59:18 <JohnTHaller> the DoubleExtract feature is written specifically for Java and Google Chrome
02:59:21 <ChrisMorgan> Good-o
02:59:49 <ChrisMorgan> What about .tar.gz things, I presume they'd need DoubleExtract as well, if you're using 7-Zip?
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03:02:17 <ChrisMorgan42> IE crashed :-(
03:02:24 <Bensawsome> thats ie for ya ;)
03:02:27 <alpha1beta> DUH!
03:02:50 <ChrisMorgan42> More to the point, that's IE6SP1 on Windows 98 for you. IE6SR1 isn't as bad, but doesn't run on W98
03:03:38 <ChrisMorgan42> JohnTHaller: will Java be going in e.g. CommonFiles\Java\1.6.0 at some stage as I'm guessing from your hints?
03:03:46 <Bensawsome> lol dl ffpe :P
03:04:23 <ChrisMorgan42> Bensawsome: can't run Firefox 3 on Windows 98, and don't feel like running Firefox 1.0.8 :P
03:04:30 <ChrisMorgan42> ... which I have got with me ...
03:04:47 <Bensawsome> ChrisMorgan42 no 2.0?
03:04:49 <alpha1beta> why the heck are you on win 98?
03:04:54 <Bensawsome> err 2.x
03:04:56 <ChrisMorgan42> Too slow, Bensawsome
03:05:07 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan42: I think tar.gz will need double
03:05:10 <ChrisMorgan42> alpha1beta: because that's what I'm stuck with in the library here.
03:05:21 <alpha1beta> eww, my sympathies man
03:05:28 <JohnTHaller> java will be in commonfiles\java. we won't be doing multiple vbersions
03:05:44 <JohnTHaller> Nonfunctional Google Chrome PA.c Installer download example: http://portableapps.com/node/19307#comment-119879
03:05:52 <ChrisMorgan42> yeah, that's what I guessed. I've not been able to make "7zG.exe x" work like "tar -xz" (both at once)
03:06:00 <ChrisMorgan42> Nonfuntional... :s :P
03:06:05 <ChrisMorgan42> nicely said ;-)
03:06:25 <ChrisMorgan42> One more thing (I think), have you got your launcher to a stage where I could look at it?
03:06:55 <ChrisMorgan42> JohnTHaller: OK, I thought I'd heard you say that multiple Java versions would be supported, was I wrong, or has that idea just been dropped?
03:07:28 <ChrisMorgan42> .ask MaienM How's your BPBible Dutch translation going?
03:07:30 <pabot> OperationalError: (2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost' (10061)") (source unknown)
03:07:33 <ChrisMorgan42> that's not going to work, is it...
03:07:35 <ChrisMorgan42> yar.
03:07:54 <ChrisMorgan42> Grr.
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03:08:33 <JohnTHaller> i have always said we would only do one java version
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03:08:44 <JohnTHaller> my launcher isn't ready yet
03:08:59 <ChrisMorgan42> :o And I can't send a memo with MemoServ! "MaienM does not wish to receive memos." ARGH!
03:09:17 <ChrisMorgan42> OK. I'll continue on with CPALT then :-)
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03:09:38 <ChrisMorgan42> More complete langauge support is something I've been giving a lot of thought to, but I think I'll wait till we're unified.
03:10:04 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan42: Don't put too much time in it. Otherwise we'll have some frustrated people switching from one to the other when we go official.
03:10:24 <JohnTHaller> In some ways, yours is further along. It may even be easier to shoehorn my advanceds stuff into yours
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03:10:40 <JohnTHaller> i can't type tonight... i think i need sleep. long week of family illnesses.
03:10:55 <ChrisMorgan42> That could well be. What advanced stuff does yours have, anything other than services?
03:11:22 <ChrisMorgan42> I've used it for GanttProject and Sweet Home 3D Portable (both Java), but nothing else yet. Bruce is using it for more than one thing, but only privately I think
03:11:30 <ChrisMorgan42> JohnTHaller: swine flu? :P
03:11:41 <ChrisMorgan42> OK, goodnight then :-)
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03:12:10 <ChrisMorgan42> whew, he's serious... normally he just parts but stays online :P
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03:12:20 <ChrisMorgan42> No, just a crash then...
03:12:22 <JohnTHaller> kidney failure and possible heart attack
03:12:28 <ChrisMorgan42> :-(
03:12:34 <JohnTHaller> VERY bad few weeks
03:12:37 <ChrisMorgan42> That's not good.
03:13:04 <ChrisMorgan42> Really, Java apps are great for making portable. Settings will normally be just add -Duser.home="%DATADIR%\settings".
03:13:27 <ChrisMorgan42> The problem with them is checking if they're running: javaw.exe.
03:13:36 <JohnTHaller> yeah. i may have the platform allow that directly for JARs
03:13:58 <JohnTHaller> alright... gnight all. more tomorrow
03:14:07 <ChrisMorgan42> Sweet Home 3D uses java.util.prefs.Preferences, which stores in the registry, HKCU\Software\JavaSoft\prefs
03:14:17 <JohnTHaller> ew
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03:19:37 <me> anyone here?
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03:19:56 <Guest59268> ??
03:20:37 <ChrisMorgan42> Guest59268: I'm here
03:20:41 <ChrisMorgan42> Can we help you?
03:21:17 <ChrisMorgan42> (btw, you got renamed Guest59268 because someone's registered the nick "me" so it'll force change if they don't log in. Feel free to try another nick.)
03:22:31 <Guest59268> is it possible to use a regular program and make it work in my portable apps menu so i can use it on another computer without actually installing the program on that computer?
03:23:22 <ChrisMorgan42> It may or may not be. Unless you do some work to make it properly portable, it won't be in the PortableApps.com Format, and the vast majority of apps won't be (at least completely) portable.
03:23:44 <Guest59268> ok
03:23:47 <Guest59268> thank you
03:23:56 <ChrisMorgan42> However, if you just want the app to appear in the PortableApps.com Menu, you can copy it so that it's in X:\PortableApps\AppName\app.exe
03:24:12 <ChrisMorgan42> If the executable is one subdirectory down it'll be included in the menu.
03:24:39 <Guest59268> ok...illtry that
03:24:50 <ChrisMorgan42> What's the app?
03:25:17 <ChrisMorgan42> Oh yeah, it may also be worth while searching at http://portableapps.com/search
03:25:36 <Guest59268> it isnt an app...it's called "Memorex exPressit"
03:25:40 <ChrisMorgan42> And also, it or a similar program may be at http://portableapps.com/development/test
03:25:42 <ChrisMorgan42> What is it?
03:26:57 <Guest59268> it's a label maker tha i'm using to label my copies of the office but my printer doesnt have any ink so i have to print them elsewhere
03:27:02 <ChrisMorgan42> An app is a program... there's no difference really.
03:27:25 <ChrisMorgan42> Hmm... it sounds like it's unlikely to save its settings, and may not work on a USB disk.
03:27:27 <Guest59268> ohh
03:27:44 <Guest59268> ok
03:27:47 <ChrisMorgan42> But it may be worthwhile trying - it may do what you want
03:27:54 <ChrisMorgan42> Don't let me discourage you :-)
03:27:57 <Bensawsome> hmmm Guest59268 does it have an option to print to a pdf or something?
03:28:03 <Guest59268> there's no harm in trying
03:28:19 <Bensawsome> cause if you can export it as a pdf. then you can just take the pdf to another comp :D
03:28:38 <Guest59268> maybe..i had't thought of that
03:28:46 <Bensawsome> :)
03:28:52 <Guest59268> thanks
03:29:01 <ChrisMorgan42> If the printer installs as a normal printer that's worthwhile trying
03:31:18 <ChrisMorgan42> OK, I've got to go now, end of lunch time.
03:31:24 <ChrisMorgan42> Bye Guest59268, everyone else!
03:31:30 <Guest59268> bye
03:31:32 <Bensawsome> cya
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03:31:40 <Bensawsome> and im about to go to bed
03:31:50 <Guest59268> ok lol
03:31:56 <Guest59268> night
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03:44:20 <raremold2010> why change your name?
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03:45:40 <Bensawsome> cause...
03:45:43 <Bensawsome> ok he left....
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06:28:24 <pa_5478> Hi!
06:30:50 <pa_5478> Trying to add more languges, but can not fined Wizard for installing new languges
06:35:13 <pa_5478> help!
06:37:56 <raremold2010> new languages on what?
06:38:54 <raremold2010> pa_5478?
06:39:53 <raremold2010> ???
06:40:46 <pa_5478> Can not fined the wizard to add more text languages
06:40:57 <raremold2010> on what app?
06:41:12 <raremold2010> or are you trying to for the app suit?
06:41:15 <pa_5478> Writer
06:42:31 <raremold2010> which one?...the open office or the AbiWord?
06:43:10 <pa_5478> Open Office Writer 3.0.1
06:43:16 <pa_5478> Portable
06:44:01 <pa_5478> Buid 9379
06:44:06 <raremold2010> i have to download it first...i dont really do word prossecing off of my flashdrive
06:44:45 <pa_5478> to download what?
06:44:55 <raremold2010> the writer
06:45:36 <raremold2010> i have to download it...i assume that you have it correct?
06:45:46 <pa_5478> Help say 1.In OpenOffice.org software, you can choose File - Wizards - Install new dictionaries to open a Writer document which helps you to install more languages.
06:45:57 <pa_5478> But is is not there!
06:47:00 <pa_5478> I have downloaded it today
06:47:01 <raremold2010> are you looking in the folders or in the app....like i said i dont have much experience with open office
06:48:21 <pa_5478> In File _Wizards mus be the Languege one, but it is not there!
06:48:52 <raremold2010> then i'd try just making one
06:49:01 <raremold2010> is the parent folder there?
06:49:08 <pa_5478> ?
06:49:42 <raremold2010> so you are looking in that actual app
06:51:08 <pa_5478> Yes. I have opend Writer and trying to add Russian/ At FIle menue are wizars and it muct be the wizard for extra lang but it is not there
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06:51:59 <pa_5478> I guess they just have lost it.
06:52:14 <raremold2010> then my best guess is that OpenOffice hasn't put that feature in the portable version
06:52:20 <raremold2010> yet
06:52:21 <Ikhwan> help
06:52:27 <raremold2010> what's up?
06:53:02 <Ikhwan> how to uninstall portableapps from my flash drive
06:53:10 <pa_5478> No as far as I remember it was in previouse one.
06:53:27 <raremold2010> idk then pa_5478
06:54:13 <raremold2010> open the portable apps menu....click "explore"..
06:54:24 <Ikhwan> then
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06:54:36 <raremold2010> there is a folder marked "portable apps"
06:54:40 <raremold2010> click it once
06:55:02 <raremold2010> hit the "delete" key on your keyboard
06:56:03 <raremold2010> then somewhere else in the folder there is an exe. file called "StartPortableApps"...do the same thing
06:56:43 <raremold2010> and if you want you can delete the file called "Autorun" which will do nothing without the portable apps command
06:57:01 <raremold2010> does that help?
06:58:42 <raremold2010> Ikhwan?
06:59:09 <Ikhwan> what about the document, video and picture??
06:59:19 <Ikhwan> do i have to delete it to
06:59:24 <raremold2010> no
06:59:29 <raremold2010> those can stay
06:59:42 <raremold2010> anything you want to keep do not delete
06:59:53 <Ikhwan> it won't affect anything???
07:00:01 <raremold2010> not at all
07:01:03 <raremold2010> if you have deleted the "PortableApps" folder then you have deleted the app suit and all of the apps that came with it and thats all you have to really get rid of if you dont want the portable apps
07:01:54 <raremold2010> but if you dont mind my asking...why do you want to get rid of it?
07:01:56 <Ikhwan> alright
07:02:47 <Ikhwan> b'cause i need more space to use in my flash drive
07:03:05 <raremold2010> well how many apps did you have on it?
07:03:34 <Ikhwan> not much
07:03:59 <raremold2010> oh...b/c one app can take up a lot of space....such as GIMP
07:04:32 <Ikhwan> can you give your email so that i can ask you again about the portableapps in the future
07:04:54 <raremold2010> sure.....is AIM ok?
07:05:19 <raremold2010> preacherskiddd@aim.com
07:06:00 <Ikhwan> where you from
07:06:09 <raremold2010> here...why?
07:06:30 <Ikhwan> i mean what country
07:06:35 <raremold2010> usa
07:06:40 <raremold2010> u?
07:06:44 <Ikhwan> ohhhh i see
07:06:49 <Ikhwan> i'm just asking
07:06:55 <raremold2010> you?
07:07:04 <Ikhwan> Malaysia
07:07:18 <raremold2010> where is that?
07:07:57 <Ikhwan> near singapore
07:08:29 <raremold2010> oh....
07:08:40 <raremold2010> i wiki searched it..lol
07:09:00 <Ikhwan> but it is a bigger country than singapore
07:09:11 <raremold2010> by a lot?
07:09:20 <Ikhwan> yup
07:09:47 <Ikhwan> ok i have get rid all the file
07:09:55 <Ikhwan> thank you for helping me
07:10:02 <raremold2010> your welcome
07:10:07 <raremold2010> :)
07:11:08 <Ikhwan> :D
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14:37:17 <andreasma> hi
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14:48:57 <JohnTHaller> hola
14:53:37 <andreasma> howdy JohnTHaller
14:53:47 <JohnTHaller> how goes it
14:54:34 <andreasma> JohnTHaller, it went well. I had to create a presentation for the Linuxtag 2009 in Berlin at the end of June.
14:55:50 <JohnTHaller> how's it coming?
14:57:56 <andreasma> I applied for a slot and get one at Friday morning
14:58:41 <andreasma> I know the chairwomen of the slot ;-)
14:59:08 <JohnTHaller> nice
14:59:42 <andreasma> But I have only 30 minutes to present OOoP.
15:01:22 <JohnTHaller> I'm gonna be posting the first test of Java Portable in a few days, if it helps.
15:01:56 <andreasma> A new way to get Java Portable?
15:02:43 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. It doesn't require a local install or admin rights. It downloads the current Java from Sun and installs it on your portable drive. I had to finish the installer 0.91's download abilities first.
15:03:18 <andreasma> If you post it before the 25th of June, I try to speak about it in my presentation.
15:04:08 <JohnTHaller> Oh it'll be up before then
15:04:18 <andreasma> fine ;-)
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19:09:05 <dbdii407> JohnTHaller, I love the idea of the twitter account and the RSS updates with it. I can receive PA updates to my phone. :)
19:09:27 <JohnTHaller> that's what it's there for :-)
19:09:49 * dbdii407 remembers when he felt his phone vibrating in the middle of second hour. O.o
19:10:02 <dbdii407> Oh look! PortableApps.com Update. :P
19:10:13 <SrgSiler|sAFK> lol
19:10:15 <JohnTHaller> we still have to promote it. that will be part of the new 'community' section i'm working with my designer on. it'll bring the forums, twitter, facebook, rss, blogs, and website buttons together
19:11:36 <Bensawsome> kewl ^_^
19:20:13 <WastePotato> What.
19:21:13 <Bensawsome> what john just said duh :P
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19:37:53 <markomlm> Hello @all
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19:38:12 <markomlm> Ping JohnTHaller
19:38:18 <JohnTHaller> hi
19:38:26 <markomlm> JohnTHaller: :-)
19:38:56 <markomlm> JohnTHaller: No OOo Portable issues for 3.1 PR1 at the moment.
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19:39:26 <JohnTHaller> Good to hear. You see the 0.91 installer release? Nothing that will affect OO.o 3.1 except the addition of the PNG icons that I can see, anwyay.
19:41:01 <markomlm> JohnTHaller: I see it. Could You update the packages when You'll signing it?
19:42:34 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing. It'll only take me a few minutes.
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19:43:03 <markomlm> JohnTHaller:Great. I'm wondering if I should create the Plugins, cause the Installer don't support it at the moment right?
19:43:05 <JohnTHaller> Give the installer a try when you get a chance. I'm pretty proud of the new features.
19:43:12 <JohnTHaller> What plugins?
19:43:22 <markomlm> Imagepacke at first
19:43:36 <markomlm> perhaps languagepacks
19:44:12 <markomlm> but I believe there is no really need for the langpacks
19:44:33 <JohnTHaller> We don't need language packs. Every language we support we'll have a download for. OO.o doesn't even link to language packs from their download page.
19:45:14 <markomlm> right. there was nearly no feedback for the langpacks of 3.0.1
19:45:16 <JohnTHaller> Hold off on plugins atm. I'm gonna finish plugin support in the installer early next week. It'll be entirely INI driven like with apps. And it'll let us do... wait for it... Java Portable.
19:45:34 <markomlm> :-)
19:46:10 <markomlm> BTW: The old imagepack for 3.0.1 works for the 3.1.0 too :-)
19:46:26 <JohnTHaller> I built in download and 7zip extraction support to the installer. So it can download Java and install it portably without us needing to package Java in the installer or needing to pull it from a local install :-)
19:46:49 <markomlm> The Installer has simplified my life for OpenOffice.org Portable 3.1 a lot!
19:47:11 <markomlm> JohnTHaller:Great!
19:47:16 <JohnTHaller> That's the goal. We're at the point now where most apps won't need an update between versions other than changing the version in appinfo.ini :-)
19:47:49 <JohnTHaller> And I fixed the issues with header generation, etc. And the new PNG icons mean the menu can show things right on 120dpi Windows and in Wine.
19:48:09 <markomlm> Wahoo!
19:48:27 <JohnTHaller> If at the end of next week or so everyone is happy with the format and installer, I'm gonna re-release it as 1.0 and start pushing 3rd parties :-)
19:49:11 <Bensawsome> win
19:49:16 <JohnTHaller> the download, extraction and local copy stuff were the last things i wanted to get in. along with unlimited entries (well 2 million is the technical limit) for optional component stuff in case we have any apps with lots of different locale files... turns out Inkscape is one.
19:49:44 <JohnTHaller> i'd often mess up manually movuing stuff to Optional1, so this removes all of those issues.
19:50:10 <markomlm> Go for it! :-) I'll finish the next beta for the PortableApps.com Manager next week too.
19:50:35 <markomlm> Any news from SF for the permisson bug?
19:50:39 <Bensawsome> :D
19:51:36 * markomlm has still no admin rights on the web frontend :-(
19:51:39 <JohnTHaller> Cool. I'll review the translations when you post. I think we can simplify and customize the interface a bit and use some of the built in translations for certain elements. We'll do that and then make a push for translations.
19:51:48 <JohnTHaller> markomlm: It's still busted, so I set you as a project admin
19:52:46 <JohnTHaller> And you were right about inetc over nsisdl. I'm using inetc in the PA.c installer now, too.
19:53:38 <markomlm> JohnTHaller:THX. This was the result of month of testing and many trial error tests ...
19:54:02 <markomlm> I'll drop the Modern Gui thing too. Its very unstable
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19:54:49 <markomlm> Dropboxes (a new feature of the new Beta) and many Dialogs don't work
19:55:06 <JohnTHaller> Good idea. Too bad because a better look would be nice, but it would have issues.
19:55:34 <JohnTHaller> We could go the SkinCrafter route. It's freeware and not open source, but it wouldn't be the main app and it wouldn't depend on it.
19:57:58 <markomlm> Could be a possible solution. I'll have a little look at it. But functionality and stability first :-) thats what I have learned from You. Sometimes its hard to except it, but its the better way.
19:58:32 <JohnTHaller> Indeed. I'm actually trying out skincrafter now.
19:59:42 <JohnTHaller> actually nevermind... it adds over 3MB to the installer :-(
19:59:57 <markomlm> :-(
20:01:10 <Bensawsome> o_0
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20:01:15 <Bensawsome> wow....
20:01:55 <markomlm> I've used a customized header.exe for the new Updater. So we will stay compatible with the normal NSIS. It looks and fits better
20:02:05 <markomlm> and works stable
20:02:21 <JohnTHaller> cool. i may have my designer do one for the final.
20:02:39 <JohnTHaller> and will it be a big change switching all the paths to X:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com when we integrate it directly into the platform?
20:02:54 <markomlm> No. :-)
20:03:00 <JohnTHaller> Oh yeah, one other thing... I know the updater can update itself right?
20:03:09 <markomlm> Yes
20:03:26 <JohnTHaller> I'm gonna peg the updater versions and platform versions together and have it update both if that is cool with you.
20:03:58 <JohnTHaller> I can have the updater shut down the platform temporarilily by sending a windows message (you can see similar code in the installer already) and then start it up again when done.
20:05:22 <markomlm> That was my intention for it :-). This code I have use some time ago too :-) All the new code is designed in order to work as part of the platform.
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20:06:50 <markomlm> The updater searches first in the Pa.com tree for the locals and settings and only if there a no hint he is using the subdirectory of the exe :-)
20:07:11 <markomlm> So it works as part of the suite and without it.
20:08:52 * markomlm need some sleep now
20:08:54 <JohnTHaller> cool.
20:08:56 <JohnTHaller> get some sleep man
20:08:59 <Bensawsome> good nite dude
20:09:04 <JohnTHaller> thanks for all your work. hope you're feeling better
20:10:00 <markomlm> JohnTHaller: THX. Yes. Back at an on work again. And a lot to do ;-)
20:10:09 <JohnTHaller> Good :-)
20:10:48 <JohnTHaller> Ok, gonna power down and install my new UPS battery that just arrived. Be back later...
20:10:51 <markomlm> CU :-) THX for making me PA at the SF project. BTW I've voted :-)
20:10:57 <JohnTHaller> Nice
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20:11:13 <markomlm> bye
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20:23:36 <JohnTHaller> Ah, there we go. New UPS battery online. Back to solid power.
20:24:20 <Bensawsome> ah cool... i really need to get a ups if im gonna be in vermont next year....
20:24:47 <Bensawsome> our house has tons ... well not tons... but too many outages because of all the snow we get :/
20:26:38 <JohnTHaller> it doesn't help during real outtages (which last a while) but it's great for short ones. and brownouts as long as you get one with AVR
20:27:45 <JohnTHaller> NYC has some power issues. coned's equipment is really outdated and they don't maintain it well. that's why a huge area in queens lost power for over a week (and put several small businesses out of business). they had 60 year old feeder cables that they were just ignoring.
20:28:12 <SergentSiler> o_O
20:28:30 <JohnTHaller> so during a heat wave one went. then another. then another.
20:28:48 <SergentSiler> wow
20:29:01 <JohnTHaller> and of course every summer you have the random transformer explosions. which are underground. and throw manhole covers up in the air. or up into a parked car and blow it up.
20:29:18 <SergentSiler> O_O
20:29:56 <Bensawsome> oh god
20:29:58 <JohnTHaller> It's the largest city in the US and some of the services are 3rd world.
20:30:05 <Bensawsome> lol sry i wasnt paying attention
20:30:07 <Bensawsome> but ya i know..
20:30:09 <Bensawsome> well
20:30:19 <Bensawsome> my dad knows. he grew up there
20:30:54 <JohnTHaller> summer before last one blew up into a car someone was sitting it waiting for a light. luckily, it hit he engine block and not the gas tank, but it launched the car up a few feet. air bags went off. blew out the windows in the pharmacy nearby. totalled the car. and knocked out power for blocks.
20:30:57 <Bensawsome> JohnTHaller so you must have learned one big tip over the years: dont park over a manhole XD
20:31:02 <Bensawsome> wow
20:31:49 <Bensawsome> oh gtg home cya guys in a bit
20:31:57 <SergentSiler> obai
20:32:01 <JohnTHaller> this is the same company that electrocutes dogs and old ladies on street corners with uninsulated wires hitting metal grates, too
20:32:17 <SergentSiler> O_O O_O O_O
20:32:18 <SergentSiler> WTF
20:34:15 <JohnTHaller> This just happened last month: http://gothamist.com/2009/04/27/outrage_at_con_ed_mounts_over_fatal.php
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20:35:08 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I head about that one
20:35:17 <Gizmokid2005> there was MAJOR press coverage over it for a while
20:35:49 <JohnTHaller> the car that someone was in was 3 blocks from me. saw the aftermath of that one. saw the parked minivan that blew up on fire.
20:36:13 <Gizmokid2005> and people wonder why it's not my dream to live in or visit NYC
20:36:19 <JohnTHaller> and another car same thing before anybody even got there. just car engulfed in flames on a random street in front of houses 2 blocks from me.
20:36:34 <JohnTHaller> it is a nice place to live
20:36:40 <JohnTHaller> except when it's trying to kill you
20:36:52 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: except...lol
20:36:55 <Gizmokid2005> so is michigan
20:36:57 <Gizmokid2005> I'm happy with it :D
20:37:36 <SergentSiler> CT is boring =_=
20:38:20 <Gizmokid2005> of course, two days ago our power outage was fun...if I would've remembered to shut down my server I would've had internet on my ipod touch the whole time too....my UPS doesn't last more than 30 minutes wiht my server running still
20:38:59 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, mine is only 30 minutes. enough time to shut down
20:39:19 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, with my desktop and two monitors, plus the server and modem and router it'll last 10...
20:39:27 <Gizmokid2005> I just shut my desktop down, and usually the server too, but oh well
20:39:40 <Gizmokid2005> it was nice to have the battery completely drain on the thing for once
20:39:41 <Gizmokid2005> good for it
20:40:04 <JohnTHaller> ah the cable fires and car explosions started early this year. started in feb: http://www.jacksonheightslife.com/community/index.php?topic=2244.0
20:42:09 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I don't envy you at all
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21:16:49 <Bensawsome> SergentSiler LIES! CT IS FUN :D
21:17:00 <SergentSiler> :P
21:17:02 <JohnTHaller> i grew up in ct
21:17:15 <SergentSiler> :o
21:17:18 <Bensawsome> see SergentSiler? its fun! JohnTHaller grew up there :D
21:17:20 <SergentSiler> what town?
21:17:43 <JohnTHaller> plainville
21:17:52 <SergentSiler> ah
21:18:00 <SergentSiler> im down in Madison :D
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21:18:36 <Bensawsome> lol im half an hour away from SergentSiler :P
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22:49:03 <daBomb69> ohai gluxon
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23:30:58 <sendak.freenode.net> Users on #portableapps: palogbot Havvy sancas gluxon daBomb69 +ZachThibeau Bensawsome StatBot Espreon Jeremified dbdii407 abc528 ZerFEr MaienM Guest52282 Suiseiseki WastePotato @Gizmokid2005 +pabot SergentSiler Mir Zarggg TheWarden Twinkletoes|W tarbo
23:30:58 <MaienM> Auto-Message: palogbot has been restarted.
23:31:38 <SergentSiler> u finally got it to work right MaienM ?
23:32:06 <Gizmokid2005> apparently so
23:32:06 <Gizmokid2005> lol
23:32:19 <SergentSiler> i was talkin bout the auto message :P
23:32:31 <SergentSiler> it always used to crash his client
23:32:34 <Gizmokid2005> lol
23:32:39 <SergentSiler> but the auto restarter worked :P
23:34:31 <SergentSiler> is pap 1.6 out of alpha yet? >_>
23:34:38 <SergentSiler> or still testing?
23:35:23 <daBomb69> SergentSiler, i think it's in beta
23:35:27 <daBomb69> erm, PR
23:35:34 <SergentSiler> :DDD
23:35:49 <Gizmokid2005> PR0 still
23:36:02 <SergentSiler> D:
23:51:35 <ZachThibeau> lol http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/mowing-with-goats.html
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23:53:43 <Havvy> ZachThibeau: That is an awesome post.
23:53:57 <ZachThibeau> Havvy: I know :D