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00:48:29 <ZachThibeau> thar be netsplits about
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00:59:39 <SergentSiler> i thought i sensed a disturbance
01:00:00 <ZachThibeau> oops sorry I passed gas
01:02:04 <SergentSiler> lolololololololol
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01:31:10 <kdavyd> Hi, I have a question. As an application service provider, my company would like to utilize PortableApps as a source of pre-packaged apps that can easily be deployed to end users. Are there any licensing issues that we should be aware of, or does GNU GPL v2 cover this scenario? I'm not as versed in open source licensing as I would like to be.
01:32:44 <kdavyd> According to GPL, all portable apps we use will be provided to end users free of charge licensing-wise, but the users will be charged a couple bucks a month for the hardware resources the apps use.
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03:20:45 <Gizmokid2005> Mmm, I'm already liking what I see with TB :)
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03:23:30 <Gizmokid2005> hello pa_9544, what can we do for you?
03:24:57 <pa_9544> hello
03:25:08 <pa_9544> sorry trying to figure it out
03:26:09 <pa_9544> I'm trying to find out how I can set up a password block for access to my portable apps flash drive, similar to the U3
03:27:13 <pa_9544> BTW thanks for the help @Gizmokid2005
03:27:38 <Gizmokid2005> yw pa_9544, at the present there is no encryption similar to that of U3
03:27:55 <Gizmokid2005> the next release of the menu will have a type of password protection, but not true encryption such as that in U3.
03:28:33 <pa_9544> ok is there any way to set up a password for anyone trying to use mozilla from my flash drive?
03:30:11 <Gizmokid2005> not really
03:33:13 <pa_9544> I see. Thanks again for the help!
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03:34:01 <Gizmokid2005> yw pa_9544
03:34:07 <Gizmokid2005> sorry I couldn't help more.
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03:57:33 <Chazz> hey Gizmokid2005 link spam here: http://portableapps.com/node/16879#comment-124884 ?
03:58:52 <Gizmokid2005> not really sure Chazz
03:59:03 <Gizmokid2005> probably not though
03:59:05 <Chazz> the rent a car thing...
03:59:11 <Gizmokid2005> OH
03:59:13 <Gizmokid2005> I didn't see that
03:59:16 <Gizmokid2005> I thought you were talking about the next one
03:59:23 <Gizmokid2005> THAT one is
03:59:30 <Chazz> oh, no, that one makes since, the rent a car is spam
04:00:04 <JohnTHaller> removed it
04:00:27 <Chazz> yay :)
04:00:49 <Chazz> hey, the nonspam link uses PA.c format for it's portable version :D
04:02:07 <Chazz> erm, at least is uses PA.c apps
04:06:07 <Gizmokid2005> only 28 DLs of SBP so far.
04:06:12 <Gizmokid2005> for DT3
04:06:32 <JohnTHaller> that's not bad
04:07:20 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, considering it was posted today, doesn't really surprise me.
04:08:57 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, this one shld probally be moved to off topic or general, it's in request and is deffinately not a request: http://portableapps.com/node/20229
04:09:25 <Chazz> Gizmokid2005, good job on the DL count :)
04:10:37 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: what is under that guys' skin?
04:10:54 <Gizmokid2005> he's been negative/pissy in just about EVERY post I've EVER read that's his...
04:11:47 <Chazz> Gizmokid2005, i've seen 1 post that he wasn't like that in, and thats 1 out of all the posts he
04:11:50 <Chazz> s posted in
04:14:54 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I know. Not sure what's up with nim
04:14:56 <JohnTHaller> him
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04:50:48 <Gizmokid2005> well, I'm off to bed. g'night ya'll
04:51:03 <Chazz> night Gizmokid2005
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04:52:30 <JohnTHaller> same here... gnight
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09:10:07 <Chazz> Hello Pericius
09:10:19 <Pericius> hi ya all
09:11:22 <Pericius> anyone managed to get custom enviroment variables work in console portable?
09:11:54 <Chazz> umm... not sure, i don't use that... sry
09:12:34 <Pericius> is there any other terminal app i could use?
09:13:01 <Chazz> not yet :(
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10:10:13 <HypnoToad> yay, pabot is back!
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10:10:42 <HypnoToad> ohai ChrisMorgan
10:10:50 <ChrisMorgan> ohai HypnoToad
10:12:35 * ChrisMorgan wishes he had been here when John was discussing Python, wxWidgets and all sorts of related things... he could have answered all the questions asked very clearly due to experience with BPBible
10:13:53 <HypnoToad> meh
10:14:13 <ChrisMorgan> No-one in at the time knew the real answers.
10:14:24 * ChrisMorgan wonders now whether he should do Mono Portable.
10:17:42 <ChrisMorgan> But wait, you [should] say, what about those patent issues?
10:18:34 <ChrisMorgan> Come on, say it!
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10:21:41 <HypnoToad> wait, there's patent issues?
10:22:01 <ChrisMorgan> Novell were the only ones allowed to distribute it, by special license.
10:22:09 <ChrisMorgan> To do with the Common Language Interface, and C#
10:22:29 <HypnoToad> then we just don't do it on PA.c, unless we talk to Novell and find some loophole
10:22:32 <ChrisMorgan> But anyway, you say "Erk! You can't redistribute it!" I respond, Oh yeah? Think again... http://www.mono-project.com/news/archive/2009/Jul-06-1.html :-)
10:22:49 <ChrisMorgan> It was Microsoft that was restricting it.
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10:23:41 <HypnoToad> :P
10:25:12 <ChrisMorgan> It'd be a CommonFiles thing.
10:25:17 <HypnoToad> yeah
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10:25:33 <HypnoToad> but on that aspect so could Qt, Perl, Python, Ruby and GTK
10:25:43 <ChrisMorgan> To varying degrees.
10:25:45 <HypnoToad> but since Mono is large it would have to be
10:25:53 <ChrisMorgan> Mono is one which can /really/ be common.
10:27:05 <HypnoToad> ah, but what if an app needs a specific version, or an additional module?
10:27:46 <ChrisMorgan> That won't be the case. Not the way it works.
10:28:03 <ChrisMorgan> With GTK that's a nightmare; with Mono there's no need for it to work that way.
10:28:45 <HypnoToad> meh
10:28:56 <HypnoToad> then go ahead and stop talking about it
10:29:22 <HypnoToad> btw, inkscape 0.47 out yet?
10:31:02 <HypnoToad> .news
10:31:18 <ChrisMorgan> No.
10:31:32 <ChrisMorgan> But the last issue got a patch committed for it a couple of days ago :-)
10:31:48 <ChrisMorgan> And I've committed a few patches myself now that I've got SVN commit for it :-)
10:32:17 <HypnoToad> reckon Rainmeter is ready for a DT yet?
10:32:30 <HypnoToad> http://code.google.com/p/rainmeter
10:32:34 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know. Can't even remember what it is :P
10:32:56 <HypnoToad> its a desktop customisation utility
10:33:07 <HypnoToad> Lifehacker <3 rainmeter
10:33:32 <HypnoToad> bbl
10:33:46 <ChrisMorgan> It's a bit of a nuisance when such a site takes a fancy to a particular bit of software...
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10:36:22 <ChrisMorgan> Hey PatrickPatience
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10:54:55 <Horusofoz> Ello Ello Ello :)
10:55:45 <Horusofoz> Hey does anyone know if you can save your passwords in Thunderbird Portable without it leaving the password on the host computer when shutdown?
10:56:10 <ChrisMorgan> It doesn't, does it?
10:56:16 <ChrisMorgan> It definitely /shouldn't/
10:57:09 <Horusofoz> I thought a while back someone said not to save passwords in TBP and FFP because they would be left on the host pc?
10:57:19 <ChrisMorgan> Who?
10:57:22 <ChrisMorgan> Don't believe it.
10:57:27 <ChrisMorgan> We'd have fixed it if it were an issue.
10:58:09 <Horusofoz> Sweet :) I wish I knew that again - I've had to type 3 passwords into TBP at least twice a day for a year now :D :D :D
10:58:26 <ChrisMorgan> !?
10:58:38 <ChrisMorgan> Surely you have enough faith in our work?
10:59:14 <Horusofoz> Of course I have faith in PA.com but someone in this very room said it many months back
11:00:50 <HypnoToad> he was a spy >.>
11:01:00 <jnw222> he might of had a problem on his computer or a setting in the ThunderbirdPortable.ini file
11:01:53 <Horusofoz> Well I'm happy its not an issue. Seems its not so dumb to ask a seemingly silly question again after a while to clarify :)
11:02:01 <jnw222> yeah
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11:22:53 <Horusofoz> Thanks ChrisMorgan:)
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11:27:51 <HypnoToad> ChrisMorgan: Do you think that it would be possible to write a mail (POP3/SMTP) client in AHK?
11:28:06 <ChrisMorgan> BLERK!?
11:28:13 <ChrisMorgan> HypnoToad: WHY?
11:28:39 <HypnoToad> Boredom, and lack of a current project now that manta didn't take off (or swim)
11:28:53 <ChrisMorgan> I just haven't got to doing much with it yet.
11:28:59 <ChrisMorgan> PyQt is what I'm going with I think.
11:29:13 <ChrisMorgan> Just finishing sorting out Inkscape first.
11:29:33 <ChrisMorgan> Inkscape Portable is now ready to go with 0.47 when it gets out.
11:29:42 <ChrisMorgan> The GTK file chooser got fixed by Adib.
11:30:30 <ChrisMorgan> I think that more work on trying to get Manta to go is next on my list (other than schoolwork... some English work of which I am doing now...)
11:30:59 <HypnoToad> =D
11:32:09 <ChrisMorgan> I want it to work, mainly just because the closest that I've seen to what I think it /should/ be like is a muddled open/closed source solution, which doesn't work very well and looks like a 3.1 application (literally).
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11:33:28 <ChrisMorgan> I really don't like the approach of XAMPP terribly much, too bloated for ordinary users.
11:35:51 <ChrisMorgan> The way I'm planning on doing it, you get your package manager for each individual package, all the usual Synaptic-type stuff (in fact I'm going to be checking up on how Synaptic does it... time to test it out again...), but also have preset package groups - so you can, for example, select "XAMPP" and it'll get all the packages XAMPP includes.
11:36:21 <HypnoToad> seems good. any progress on the package structure?
11:36:34 <HypnoToad> XML would be good for storing info
11:36:36 <ChrisMorgan> No, I'm getting the UI together first for some reason.
11:36:43 <ChrisMorgan> I've been thinking about it.
11:37:00 <ChrisMorgan> Serialized Python objects is another way.
11:37:12 <ChrisMorgan> I'm leaning more towards just plain Python scripts though.
11:37:16 <HypnoToad> or you could make a propietry format and use that without releasing the specs
11:37:23 <HypnoToad> =P
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11:38:01 <ChrisMorgan> I could probably learn a lot from how Synaptic does it. In fact I think I'll restart in Ubuntu before continuing on any further with it.
11:39:13 <HypnoToad> hmm
11:39:49 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, only got 10 minutes more tonight, must work on my essay.
11:42:36 <ChrisMorgan> Just comparing the screenshots at http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/action.html ... what I've got is the list view at the top, description at the bottom, but below that a bar with a dropdown containing "all packages", "installed packages" etc. on the left and a "finalise changes" button on the right. More compact.
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11:43:15 <ChrisMorgan> The properties thing is something I haven't implemented at all or thought about. Good idea though.
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11:44:14 <ChrisMorgan> I prefer the "alternative layout", merging the properties thing into the description area.
11:45:13 <ChrisMorgan> Must also look at the way it handles multiple versions of things, e.g. Apache you'd want to offer 1.3, 2.0, 2.2, PHP you'd want to offer 4 and 5, etc.
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11:46:30 <ChrisMorgan> HypnoToad: do I get the impression you'd like to help?
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11:47:24 <HypnoToad> I went back to my AHK POP3 lib.
11:47:31 <ChrisMorgan> :/
11:47:48 <ChrisMorgan> Crazy. Quite seriously, what's the point?
11:48:25 <HypnoToad> I don't really need a point in the majority of things I do.
11:48:33 <ChrisMorgan> Then why do it?
11:48:41 <ChrisMorgan> Why not work on something more useful?
11:48:46 <HypnoToad> where's the point in manta? there's already 5-6 WAMP packages out there already
11:48:54 <HypnoToad> define useful
11:48:56 <ChrisMorgan> More.
11:49:05 <ChrisMorgan> And they're all missing a very important thing - flexibility.
11:49:14 <ChrisMorgan> .g define:useful
11:49:15 <pabot> ChrisMorgan: No results found for 'define:useful'.
11:49:26 <ChrisMorgan> It can't cope with define: things :P
11:49:39 <HypnoToad> .def useful
11:49:41 <pabot> HypnoToad: Database error occurred
11:49:49 <HypnoToad> .def pabott
11:49:50 <HypnoToad> .def pabot
11:49:50 <pabot> HypnoToad: Database error occurred
11:49:51 <pabot> HypnoToad: Database error occurred
11:49:56 <HypnoToad> uh oh.
11:50:01 <ChrisMorgan> Wiktionary: Having a practical or beneficial use
11:50:10 <ChrisMorgan> Manta will have that.
11:50:30 <ChrisMorgan> An AutoHotkey POP3 library... I can't think of any practical or beneficial use, but I'm quite willing to hear one.
11:50:38 <HypnoToad> it could be used to automate POP mail collection. noone said it had to be a basic library :P
11:51:01 <ChrisMorgan> It'd be slow if it did much - AutoHotkey isn't fast for anything like that.
11:51:10 <ChrisMorgan> What's wrong with e.g. Thunderbird?
11:51:34 <HypnoToad> takes too long to start, and it lags for me
11:51:45 <ChrisMorgan> OK, the Gmail web interface?
11:51:53 <HypnoToad> besides, I may port it to C++ someday
11:52:08 <HypnoToad> I don't usually have access to firefox, so a client is preferred
11:52:28 <HypnoToad> plus I'm interested in the protocols and want an excuse to mess around with them
11:52:47 <ChrisMorgan> Waal, I can't stop you :P
11:52:59 <HypnoToad> who's Waal?
11:53:01 <HypnoToad> =P
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13:43:33 <pa_0910> hello
13:44:32 <pa_0910> I have a problem with portableapps, is anybody "alive" here? :)
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13:49:33 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello pa_6327, How can we help you today
13:52:34 <pa_6327> I've been using these programs but most of the programs don't save any changes made to them e.g. I downloaded SRware iron run it modified options and imported bookmarks
13:53:50 <Oni-Neoxes> I never really tried out SRware iron but I'm not really sure it saves settings
13:54:20 <pa_6327> but when i restart the program it is "fresh" again i.e. no bookmarks or changes to the options, and I was noticing this behaviour with all portabble apps i was using so far ; it is very annoyingg - is there any quick way to change this?
13:54:40 <Oni-Neoxes> on All portableapps. That's strange
13:55:38 <pa_6327> is there any "centralized" switch to instruct the app NOT to abandom changes?
13:56:20 <Oni-Neoxes> Have you tried reinstalling the apps?
13:57:11 <Oni-Neoxes> I have never seen this problem at all except with SRware Iron really.
13:58:49 <pa_6327> i see no point oin doing that because those portables are like fresh install everytime i try to use them - the same happened with openoffice when I was using it but then I abandomed using portabble apps completely simp[ly because of this " bug"
14:01:07 <pa_6327> i use apps from portablleturk.com, but i get the feeling that they contain spyware, and portableapps would be more reliable source for apps and also more frequently updated but i don't know how to disable this behavour of not saving settings at all
14:04:42 <Oni-Neoxes> I'm not completely sure why the portableapps aren't saving settings at all.
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14:06:12 <pa_4177> ah finally - i've donloaded firefox 3.5.2 and it asked me whether to store changes or not before first run
14:06:26 <Oni-Neoxes> ah.
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14:06:46 <Oni-Neoxes> Good morning excid3
14:07:03 <excid3> howdy
14:09:21 <pa_4177> i wonder if the problem then applies only to srware iron and open office ? what do you do on iron ?
14:10:24 <Oni-Neoxes> I tried importing bookmarks and saving passwords on it, I used it for media since it's faster than Firefox. Next time I opened Iron all my bookmarks/passwords were gone.
14:11:43 <pa_4177> yeah i wonder if there's any "workaround" or any other fork of chrome by portable apps because i would disllike abandoming chrome
14:14:57 <Oni-Neoxes> I'm searching but as far as I can tell there isn't one yet
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14:17:00 <pa_4177> other gues on the forum seem to have the same problem as far as i can see thus i am surprised there's no way to fix it
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14:28:29 <pa_4177> donloaded portable fromium instead thanks for your help, bye bye :)
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17:41:50 <SergentSiler> omg did iactually do it right o_O?
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17:42:38 <JohnTHaller> hola
17:42:40 <SergentSiler> hi john
18:03:28 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
18:04:15 <JohnTHaller> how goes it?
18:04:58 <ZachThibeau> ohh not much, trying to compile mupen64plus on windows, so far the actual emu is compiled but it's plugins is a different story
18:06:03 <ZachThibeau> I've also been testing some dev tests too from the betatest forums
18:06:18 <JohnTHaller> ah nice
18:07:22 <JohnTHaller> I'm still settling into my new part-time office
18:07:33 <ZachThibeau> very nice
18:07:50 <JohnTHaller> if you're curious where, check the contact info on the PA.c site :-)
18:07:59 <ZachThibeau> sure :)
18:08:21 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller :)
18:08:25 <JohnTHaller> howdy
18:09:12 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: on my thread, if I launch pidgin-portable.exe directly (i'm not worried about registry and files), and use the -c and -d options, to use my portable config, and debug, it works fine, in fact, that's hwo i'm running it now.
18:09:40 <Gizmokid2005> but if i use the exact same options I set in the launcher or in the .ini, when launching via command line, they work perfect.
18:09:46 <JohnTHaller> I don't recall what other options we pass it... but I know we use some
18:09:51 <Gizmokid2005> yep
18:09:52 <Gizmokid2005> -c
18:09:57 <Gizmokid2005> I cehcked.
18:09:58 <ZachThibeau> cool :D the empire state building awesome
18:10:00 <Gizmokid2005> *checked
18:10:07 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. 52nd floor.
18:10:13 <Gizmokid2005> VERY nice JohnTHaller :)
18:10:24 <JohnTHaller> Helped out the right non-profit with an RFP at the right time :-)
18:10:35 <Gizmokid2005> that's awesome!
18:10:41 <ZachThibeau> very awesome
18:11:14 <JohnTHaller> It's not much different from any other office building once you get to work, of course. The World Trade Center wasn't either when I used to work there.
18:11:44 <Gizmokid2005> I can imagine, from the inside it's the same old blah right?
18:11:53 <Gizmokid2005> and wow, you've been around haven't you JohnTHaller? :)
18:11:55 <JohnTHaller> So, Gizmokid2005, any idea why Pidgin Portable has the issue based on looking at the launcher?
18:12:01 <ZachThibeau> well I understand that much :P working in several court houses the layout and the offices are pretty much the same
18:12:38 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I'm not sure, the only thing I can preliminarily see, is that when passing the -d switch, when the execstring is copied, it only pulls the -d, not the whole string....but then that doesn't make sense because the file is created where it should be...just no output
18:12:52 <Gizmokid2005> I think it might have something to do with the way that nsis exec's the program.
18:12:56 <Gizmokid2005> but I'm not too sure
18:13:13 <JohnTHaller> Well, I've been working in NYC for 13 years now. Originally across the street from the WTC (the Deutschebank building, which is being torn down now). Then a block awayt\. Then WTC tower 2. Then home on 14th St in manhattan. Then home in Astoria. Now ESB.
18:13:51 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: I kinda doubt it's NSIS Exec. We do all sorts of things with it.
18:14:06 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: that's cool. I couldn't do the NYC life, but it sounds like you enjoy it
18:14:14 <Gizmokid2005> and yeah, I doubt the nsis exec issue.
18:14:29 <Gizmokid2005> but if i run this string: I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\App\Pidgin\pidgin-portable.exe -c I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\Data\settings\.purple -n -d 2>&1 > T:\Logs\pidgin.log
18:14:31 <Gizmokid2005> in a batch file
18:14:35 <Gizmokid2005> it does exactly what it should
18:14:43 <Gizmokid2005> you know, lemme try somethign :D
18:14:52 <JohnTHaller> Try that exact string as is in NSIS
18:15:08 <JohnTHaller> Don't forget the quotes as needed (since there may be paths with spaces)
18:15:21 <Gizmokid2005> nope, I checked that for sure, they are all non-space paths
18:15:38 <Gizmokid2005> and if I change that line to use PidginPortable.exe instead of pidgin-portable.exe it goes back to the same problems.
18:15:50 <JohnTHaller> I do all my development and testing in a path WITH spaces to ensure that all code works with it. What I'm saying is that Pidgin may not properly handle the quotes.
18:15:55 <Gizmokid2005> in fact, it wipes out my logs and writes the file new.
18:15:57 <JohnTHaller> So you have to include them
18:16:00 <JohnTHaller> Just to see
18:16:02 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: hmm, k
18:16:08 <JohnTHaller> I
18:16:32 <JohnTHaller> I've run into that one before with a few apps where they have internal issues dealing with double quotes.
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18:18:36 <Gizmokid2005> k
18:18:41 <Gizmokid2005> i'm going to modify the launcher now, hang on
18:18:59 <Gizmokid2005> this has to make t-shooting a bit easier on you doesn't it JohnTHaller? lol
18:20:05 <Gizmokid2005> I noticed in your execstrings you have everything in quotes already, so maybe it makes a difference in the launcher.
18:20:33 <Gizmokid2005> StrCpy $EXECSTRING `"$PROGRAMDIRECTORY\$PROGRAMEXECUTABLE" -c "$SETTINGSDIRECTORY\.purple"`
18:20:33 <Gizmokid2005> StrCpy $EXECSTRING `$EXECSTRING -n -d "2>&1 > T:\Logs\pidgin.log"`
18:20:36 <Gizmokid2005> is that I'm changing
18:23:32 <Gizmokid2005> "I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\App\Pidgin\pidgin-porrtable.exe" -c "I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\Data\settings\.purple" -n -d "2>&1 > T:\Logs\pidgin.log" <-- that is the full current exec string. That causes the CMD to come up, and not go away, and nothing to be written in the pidgin.log file, in fact - it's not even created.
18:24:06 <JohnTHaller> Should there be a " before the 2?
18:24:54 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/TipsForBugReports#ObtainingaDebugLog
18:25:03 <Gizmokid2005> not sure, but that's where the debug log example is for pidgin
18:25:09 <Gizmokid2005> I didn't use any quotes in my bat file
18:25:13 <Gizmokid2005> but I"ll move the quotes hang on
18:25:35 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, the quotes are in the wrong place
18:25:46 <JohnTHaller> -d 2>&1 > "%USERPROFILE%\debug.log"
18:25:48 <Gizmokid2005> if I put them before the T:
18:26:01 <Gizmokid2005> I get the same results
18:27:13 <JohnTHaller> Use the same on the command line and in NSIS and compare back and fortrh. And by same and mean the exact same characters all the way through. Otherwise, maybe it's one of the env vars they don't like
18:27:32 <Gizmokid2005> sure
18:27:39 <Gizmokid2005> I'll copy exactly as I have in my bat file
18:27:45 <Gizmokid2005> I confirm that works
18:27:52 <Gizmokid2005> s/confirm/confirmed.
18:28:15 <JohnTHaller> Ok, so exactly as in your bat file works?
18:28:20 <Gizmokid2005> yep
18:28:21 <Gizmokid2005> I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\App\Pidgin\pidgin-portable.exe -c I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\Data\settings\.purple -n -d 2>&1 > T:\Logs\pidgin.log
18:28:22 <Gizmokid2005> that
18:28:23 <Gizmokid2005> works fine
18:28:31 <Gizmokid2005> logs to that file, and doesn't show any command windows.
18:28:37 <JohnTHaller> Ok, so maybe it's the quotes that it doesn't like in certain places
18:28:46 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, I'm going to remove the quotes now
18:28:49 <Gizmokid2005> and try that exact string.
18:30:25 <Gizmokid2005> nope, even with that EXACT string as the execstring in the nsis launcher it still doesn't create the file and it does show the command prompt
18:30:34 <Gizmokid2005> it's like it's ignoring the 2>&1 >
18:30:52 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... try escaping the & just to see what happens
18:31:02 <Gizmokid2005> sure
18:31:16 <Gizmokid2005> $\ RIGHT?
18:31:19 <Gizmokid2005> sorry about the caps
18:31:31 <JohnTHaller> DON'T YELL AT ME!!
18:31:39 <JohnTHaller> I think so, yeah.
18:31:40 <Gizmokid2005> I said sorry :'(
18:31:53 <Gizmokid2005> 2 warnings:
18:31:53 <Gizmokid2005> unknown variable/constant "\&1" detected, ignoring (I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\Other\Source\PidginPortable.nsi:276)
18:31:53 <Gizmokid2005> unknown variable/constant "\&1" detected, ignoring (I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\Other\Source\PidginPortable.nsi:282)
18:32:01 <ZachThibeau> O_o
18:32:03 <Gizmokid2005> when I escape them.
18:32:16 <JohnTHaller> ah
18:32:18 <Gizmokid2005> it uses the $ as a var instead of escaping :(
18:32:22 <JohnTHaller> hmm... not sure what else it is
18:32:47 <Gizmokid2005> that is it, I used it in my SBP launcher or something, dragonmage was it? yesterday helped with that
18:32:51 <Gizmokid2005> it's supposed to be $\
18:32:59 <Gizmokid2005> maybe $/ instead?
18:33:01 * Gizmokid2005 tries
18:33:08 <JohnTHaller> read the docs :-P
18:33:15 <Gizmokid2005> but that's no fun :P
18:34:12 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Docs/Chapter4.html#4.2.4
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18:34:24 <ZachThibeau> actually it is especially if it's with c++ :D
18:34:44 <Gizmokid2005> The escape character is the back-slash character ("\") and the available escape sequences are:
18:34:44 <Gizmokid2005>
18:34:44 <Gizmokid2005> "\\" Back-slash
18:34:44 <Gizmokid2005> "\r" Carriage return (ASCII 13)
18:34:44 <Gizmokid2005> "\n" Line feed (ASCII 10)
18:34:45 <Gizmokid2005> "\t" Tab (ASCII 9)
18:34:50 <Gizmokid2005> there we go, in the readme for InstallOptions?
18:34:53 <Gizmokid2005> http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Contrib/InstallOptions/Readme.html
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18:36:03 <Chazz> Hey, JohnTHaller you around atm?
18:36:19 <SergentSiler> why does palogbot keep dying >_>?
18:36:28 <Gizmokid2005> SergentSiler: just an issue with its' host
18:36:31 <SergentSiler> :/
18:36:43 <Gizmokid2005> and JohnTHaller I tried $\ -- $/ -- \\ and they all don't work :(
18:37:23 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, it doesn't look like it should be escaped if it's parsing it fine when I MessageBox the $EXECSTRING
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18:41:03 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: my batch file fails as soon as I put quotes around the exe...like so: "I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\App\Pidgin\pidgin-portable.exe"
18:41:12 <Gizmokid2005> the quotes around the config path and the log path don't affect it.
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18:49:23 <omid> Hey guys
18:49:30 <Chazz> Hello omid
18:50:13 <omid> I have a problem with PortableApps menu. I just detects all "executables" in a folder and adds them to the menu. But not all of them are supposed to be there.
18:50:23 <Gizmokid2005> that's how the menu works
18:50:26 <Gizmokid2005> if you dont' want them there
18:50:34 <Gizmokid2005> right-click on them and then put a "-" in front of them
18:50:34 <omid> How may I remove an item from menu without deleting the executable file itself?
18:50:50 <Gizmokid2005> also seen on http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#hidingicons
18:52:08 <omid> Thanks man. Appreciate it.
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18:57:21 <JohnTHaller> back. had to get my new id badge
18:57:35 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: wb
18:57:45 <Gizmokid2005> see my messages above **
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19:07:06 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: very odd. wonder why that's happening
19:07:19 <Gizmokid2005> I'm not sure JohnTHaller :( That's what I posted for you to see
19:07:22 <Gizmokid2005> it makes no sense to me
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19:07:33 <Gizmokid2005> and you know NSIS a LOT more than I do.
19:11:20 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, would PA.c allow apps that use a CLI to become official? (Assuming they conform to PA.c standards)
19:12:06 <JohnTHaller> Only in rare cases, I think. Most people don't use CLI apps so they'd have limited appeal. Plus most CLI apps are portable. WHat app were you thinking
19:12:14 <Chazz> irssi
19:12:42 <Chazz> It's one of the most popular irc clients around
19:13:17 <Chazz> and, it is not already 100% portable, so i'd actually have some work to do :)
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19:28:38 <Axel_> hi guys...
19:29:07 <Axel_> can I ask for some advice?
19:30:43 <JohnTHaller> What do you need Axel_?
19:31:58 <Axel_> Hi John
19:32:20 <Axel_> a pleasure to chat with you directly :)
19:32:31 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing. How can we help you?
19:32:34 <Axel_> I have big problems on portable firefox
19:32:42 <Axel_> in the last 2 weeks
19:32:44 <JohnTHaller> What's happening with it?
19:32:54 <Axel_> it has become so slow it's almost unusable
19:33:06 <Axel_> basically it freezes every 3-4 seconds
19:33:13 <Axel_> even when not browsing
19:33:22 <JohnTHaller> Did it happen all of the sudden one day? Or has it been getting progressively slower?
19:33:25 <Axel_> also when I click the menu items
19:33:39 <Axel_> I couldn't tell you
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19:33:52 <JohnTHaller> Does it happen on every PC? Or only on some?
19:33:54 <Axel_> it got worse at a certain point
19:34:04 <Axel_> but now it is ridicoulously slow
19:34:11 <Axel_> on every pc
19:34:18 <Axel_> that's why I'm here
19:34:28 <JohnTHaller> Alright, that narrows it down to a settings change, a profile issue or a drive issue.
19:34:46 <JohnTHaller> First off, lets ensure that your cache is disabled in Firefox. Do you know where the setting is to check that out?
19:34:47 <Axel_> I also unisnatlled my antivirus, thinking that probably the new exe was compacted with some packer (upx, etc.)
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19:34:58 <JohnTHaller> Nope, Firefox isn't packed
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19:35:16 <Axel_> yeah, I set the value of the MB to 0
19:35:24 <Axel_> I guess it's disabled now
19:35:53 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that's disabled. Did you add any new extensions? Like Tab Mix Plus or anything?
19:36:08 <Axel_> well, I have some extensions
19:36:13 <Axel_> tab mix plus too
19:36:22 <Axel_> I tried disabling many of them
19:36:25 <JohnTHaller> But did you add any just before it started slowing down? Is Tab Mix Plus new?
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19:36:37 <Axel_> no, I always used tab mix plus
19:36:49 <JohnTHaller> TMP has a built in session saver that is really inefficient and will slow down Firefox on a flash drive. Was it disabled before but now enabled?
19:37:32 <Axel_> I'm checking now...
19:39:02 <Axel_> it was set to use firefox's session saver
19:39:08 <JohnTHaller> Ok
19:39:15 <JohnTHaller> Now about your drive, what kind and size is it?
19:39:34 <Axel_> should I keep FF's session saver enabled?
19:39:47 <Axel_> I just bought a new drive thinking that the old one was too slow
19:39:51 <Axel_> but I didn't solve
19:39:57 <Axel_> I migrated yesterday to the new drive
19:40:04 <Axel_> it's a peak extreme II
19:40:06 <JohnTHaller> And it has the same issue?
19:40:11 <Axel_> 30MB/s in reads
19:40:18 <Axel_> and 22MB/s in writes
19:40:20 <JohnTHaller> Then it's something with your profile. Have you tried starting in safe mode?
19:40:33 <Axel_> nope
19:40:36 <JohnTHaller> The advertised speeds are for sequencial, which doesn't help us much.
19:40:39 <Axel_> that's what I wanted to ask
19:40:46 <Axel_> if there's a safe mode
19:40:50 <Axel_> for FF :)
19:41:01 <Axel_> how do I start it in safe mode?
19:41:13 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, bring up a command line prompte and browse to your X:\PortableApps\FirefoxPortable directory
19:41:23 <JohnTHaller> Then run FirefoxPortable.exe -safe-mode
19:41:50 <Axel_> ok, I have to close the chat (I'm in FF)
19:42:09 <JohnTHaller> Ok. Firef up a local copy of IE or something so you can keep chatting while we try a couple things.
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19:42:52 <Axel__> I'm with IE now...
19:42:57 <JohnTHaller> ok
19:43:04 <Axel__> I'll try to start it in safe mode
19:43:31 <JohnTHaller> try starting it up in safe mode and see how it works. if that still has issues, we can try a clean copy of Firefox Portable along side and see how that works performance-wise
19:44:09 <Axel__> it's slow also in safe mode
19:44:17 <Axel__> when I type some text in the address box
19:44:21 <JohnTHaller> Ok, close it
19:44:24 <Axel__> it pauses at every letter
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19:44:40 <Axel__> so it's not the extensions right?
19:44:50 <JohnTHaller> What else is running from your flash drive?
19:45:07 <Axel__> right now only Total Commander Portable
19:45:12 <JohnTHaller> close it
19:45:14 <Axel__> ok
19:45:30 <Axel__> total commander is always open
19:45:35 <JohnTHaller> so we can rule out everything. once closed. be sure your flash drive isn't being used (the light shouldn't be blinking)
19:45:36 <Axel__> I never thought about it
19:46:07 <Axel__> it seems there's no activity
19:46:11 <JohnTHaller> good
19:46:16 <Axel__> but I have your luncher running :)
19:46:37 <JohnTHaller> that's fine. try FFP again in safe mode. wait for it to launch and drive actity to stop. then try using it
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19:48:29 <Axel__> john, an advice, I didn't format the new usb drive with NTFS, I left it in FAT33 because I thought it performed better...what do you recommend?
19:48:52 <JohnTHaller> either will work ok. ntfs can have permission issues with vista if not used properly
19:48:56 <Axel__> I like ntfs better because it's more resilient
19:49:10 <Axel__> ok, I'll convert it to NTFS later
19:50:29 <JohnTHaller> so did you try it again?
19:50:37 <Axel__> trying now
19:50:47 <Axel__> i changed usb port so I can see the activity led
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19:53:34 <Axel__> well
19:53:42 <Axel__> it's still pretty slow
19:53:48 <Axel__> john
19:53:50 <Axel__> in safe mode
19:53:58 <Axel__> should the address history work?
19:54:20 <JohnTHaller> not sure
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19:55:15 <Axel__> it doesn't freeze when browsing now
19:55:16 <JohnTHaller> Ok, let's try a fresh copy to wind this up. Download a fresh copy of Firefox Portable 3.5.2 from PortableApps.com and install it to your flash drive. But install it to X:\PortableApps\FirefoxPortableClean (you need to run the EXE directly... not from the menu... and then manually change the path)
19:57:10 <Axel__> downloading it now
19:57:52 <Axel__> it seems to not freeze now John...
19:58:06 <Axel__> and we just closed Total Commander and started it in safe mode
19:58:30 <JohnTHaller> Your current copy?
19:58:33 <Axel__> I'll try it in normal mode without TC to see if it works too
19:58:39 <Axel__> yes
20:01:31 <Axel__> I can't believe at this
20:01:47 <JohnTHaller> what's up?
20:01:55 <Axel__> it seems to work ok
20:02:04 <JohnTHaller> in normal mode now?
20:02:16 <Axel__> what could possibly Total Commander do to make it so slow?
20:02:39 <JohnTHaller> Well, it can vary a lot based on what else you're doing. Whenever you're writing anything to the drive, all other reads and writes stop.
20:02:45 <Axel__> it's working fine
20:02:49 <Axel__> in normal mode now
20:02:58 <Axel__> probably I got it
20:03:02 <Axel__> total commander
20:03:05 <Axel__> has an option
20:03:11 <Axel__> auto refresh panels
20:03:28 <Axel__> probably it's I/O intensive
20:03:28 <JohnTHaller> that may do it
20:03:35 <JohnTHaller> try turning that off
20:03:53 <Axel__> but I can't understand why it's the first time I have this problem
20:04:11 <Axel__> I mean, I always used TC, and I always have it running in the systray
20:04:19 <Axel__> I would have noticed it before
20:04:27 <Axel__> I'll have to dig into this :)
20:04:45 <Axel__> probably it's the auto refresh option
20:04:50 <JohnTHaller> Maybe a specific folder open in TC. Or an update of something recently.
20:04:58 <JohnTHaller> Lots of things can cause it
20:04:59 <Axel__> well
20:05:05 <Axel__> one big thing has changed
20:05:09 <JohnTHaller> well, at least it's working now and you have an idea
20:05:13 <Axel__> I switched to Windows 7 Ultimate
20:05:26 <Axel__> probably there's some different behaviour
20:05:29 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... that could have something to do with it. But you said it had the issue on other PCs too
20:05:38 <Axel__> yep, that's true
20:05:50 <Axel__> I'm just brainstorming with you on the possible causes :)
20:05:53 <JohnTHaller> (that's why it's one of the first questions I ask)
20:05:58 <Axel__> so it's not 7
20:06:00 <Axel__> but wait
20:06:06 <Axel__> on my office PC
20:06:08 <Axel__> today
20:06:15 <JohnTHaller> Yerah, I've used it all with Win7. And Win98. And Win2K. And Wine in Ubuntu.
20:06:16 <Axel__> FF was unusable
20:06:24 <Axel__> and I didn't have TC running...
20:06:43 <Axel__> so it's not TC
20:06:50 <JohnTHaller> One other thing to check for is stuff on the local PC accessing the drive. Some media indexers go looking for pictures or music and can slow the drive to a crawl.
20:07:16 <Axel__> well, I only use WDS
20:07:25 <Axel__> but it doesn't index external drives
20:07:31 <Axel__> just the fixed ones
20:08:10 <JohnTHaller> Some apps have indexers you may not know about. Paint Shop Pro was notorious for that. Picasa can do that, too.
20:08:49 <Axel__> I know, but I hate indexers too, so I don't use those things...
20:08:58 <Axel__> bloatware
20:09:34 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I got burned by a couple before. They auto-install with no prompt. ANd have no visible indication that they're running. Nero Burning ROM used to do that
20:10:13 <Axel__> on Vista / W7 I suggest you to use a desktop gadget that shows drive activity
20:10:27 <Axel__> I like to see what's happening on the pc in real time
20:11:13 <Axel__> it's fast now...really fast...
20:11:45 <Axel__> the only things I did were: disabling cache, phishing check and clearing history
20:11:49 <Axel__> and closing TC
20:12:07 <JohnTHaller> that works
20:12:28 <JohnTHaller> also, check the drive for errors regularly. some PCs have flakey usb ports and can introduce errors.
20:12:57 <Axel__> anyway, I noticed that FF developers have switched to sqlite
20:13:07 <Axel__> that doesn't help the performance
20:13:16 <Axel__> for USB at least
20:14:15 <JohnTHaller> They did. And FF3.0 saw a dive in performance. But we worked with them on some fixes for 3.5 which helped. Like saviong up sql updates and doing them in batches rather than individually
20:15:36 <Axel__> I think that at a certain point we would need a new FF fork...a portable one...
20:15:54 <JohnTHaller> doubtful. flash ram will just get faster
20:16:15 <Axel__> obviously a portable app has different requirements than a standard one
20:16:46 <Axel__> that was the only thing I liked about U3
20:16:46 <JohnTHaller> Not so different. ANd stuff like improving performance on flash drives also improves performance on SSD internal drives. Win win.
20:16:58 <Axel__> the fact that in reality the U3 apps run from the local PC ;)
20:17:01 <JohnTHaller> The software on U3 worked the exact same way
20:17:11 <JohnTHaller> Almost none of it ran from the PC.
20:17:25 <JohnTHaller> Firefox, OpenOffice.org, Thunderbird, Opera. All run from the drive.
20:17:28 <Axel__> what do you mean?
20:17:34 <Axel__> when I looked at task manager
20:17:53 <Axel__> the U3 exes were executed from the U3 local directory on the internal drive
20:17:57 <JohnTHaller> It was in the spec. But almost no apps did it that way. It caused slow startups. And you could have issues if the local PC didn't have enough space, etc.
20:18:16 <Axel__> FF for U3 did work that way
20:18:20 <JohnTHaller> U3 worked almost exactly the same as portable apps did.
20:18:44 <Axel__> well, I can assure you the U3 apps I used did work following the spec
20:18:48 <JohnTHaller> Firefox for U3 worked the exact same way as FF Portable. I know. I wrote it. ANd it was based on an old version of FF Portable.
20:19:08 <JohnTHaller> Firefox for U3 at no point offloaded the app or the data to the local PC to run.
20:19:17 <Axel__> when I watched the processes running
20:19:28 <Axel__> the path was not the usb drive
20:19:32 <Axel__> but the fixed one
20:20:21 <JohnTHaller> Wait, I thin you're looking at it wrong. U3 shows up as 2 drive letters. The first is a fake CD partition whose sole purpose is to unlock the second and contain the U3 platform. All the apps are on the second partition.
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20:20:41 <Axel__> yes I know
20:20:47 <Axel__> but when a U3 app started
20:20:52 <Axel__> slowly :)
20:20:54 <JohnTHaller> In the u3 spec, an app can be setup to extract from the U3P on each launch and run from the local PC and be deleted when closed. But almost NO apps actually did that. Firefox, OpenOffice.org and Thunderbird did not.
20:21:06 <Axel__> it copied stuff to the local drive
20:21:15 <Axel__> under some U3 temp directory
20:21:25 <Axel__> and the executable ran from there
20:21:36 <Axel__> I looked it with procmon
20:21:59 <JohnTHaller> Only a handful of apps did that. The start and end process apps did. But I can guarantee you that FF ran from the U3 drive, not on the local PC. Unless the last version of the now-dead U3 platform changed the way the platform itself works.
20:22:17 <JohnTHaller> I have 3 U3 drives and Firefox for U3 runs locally with all of em.
20:22:23 <JohnTHaller> I mean on the drive. Not locally.
20:22:31 <Axel__> I'm sure the firefox process was running from C:
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20:22:46 <Axel__> I was using SanDisk U3 launcher
20:23:07 <JohnTHaller> Not unless they changed the platform itself to alter the way it did things in their spec documentation. I specifically did NOT use the facility to extract and run locally because it was problematic.
20:23:22 <Axel__> anyway
20:23:30 <JohnTHaller> And they would have had to change that really recently. Like in their last update.
20:23:31 <Axel__> this new usb drive I got is very fast
20:23:39 <JohnTHaller> But like I said, I wrote them all, so I know how they're coded.
20:23:50 <Axel__> even though it's never fast as a solid state drive
20:24:02 <Axel__> I know you wrote them :)
20:24:10 <JohnTHaller> If they changed the platform after, that would make sense. But FF for U3 never went pooast version 2 (which is faster than 3 or 3.5 on a flash drive)
20:24:16 <Axel__> but I also used U3 apps from other developers
20:24:36 <JohnTHaller> yeah, there were illegal/unofficial ones floating around. some worked, some didn't
20:24:45 <Axel__> and they used that feature
20:25:08 <Axel__> no, I always used your version
20:25:31 <Axel__> at a certain point I cleared up the U3 from the drive
20:25:44 <JohnTHaller> That doesn't really help performance on FF3 or FF3.5. The slowness is due to the profile writes. The only way to fix it is to copy the profile locally, use it,m then copy back when done. But that has some huge privacy issues. So I never implemented that.
20:25:45 <Axel__> and used the standard portableapps platform :)
20:26:08 <Axel__> couldn't you make it optional?
20:26:26 <JohnTHaller> I could. But the privacy issues may not be fully understood by some folks. So I always left it off.
20:26:48 <JohnTHaller> Plus, startup and shutdown suffer a lot. Especially since a FF profile is 50MB+
20:27:01 <Axel__> you know that you will never make everybody happy :)
20:27:42 <JohnTHaller> I do. I try to choose the broadest defaults and then add in small stuff that is low risk but properly spell out the risks for those that want to use it. Like multiple instances.
20:28:06 <Axel__> that's why I always say that giving the options to make things work in a way or another is the best choice, so everybody can make it work as liked...
20:29:27 <Axel__> anyway you've done a great work...
20:29:31 <JohnTHaller> thanks
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20:29:43 <Axel__> thanks to you
20:29:44 <Axel__> :)
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20:29:58 <JohnTHaller> you're welcome
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20:30:12 <Axel__> btw
20:30:21 <Axel__> I've tried to make silverlight plugin work
20:30:26 <Axel__> in portable mode that is
20:30:32 <Axel__> but it needs local stuff to run
20:30:34 <JohnTHaller> any success?
20:30:37 <JohnTHaller> I figured
20:30:38 <Axel__> well
20:30:44 <Axel__> last thing I have to try
20:30:52 <Axel__> is copying the whole directory
20:30:54 <Axel__> :)
20:31:07 <Axel__> but probably someone else has tried
20:31:16 <Axel__> but I have fun doing these thins
20:31:47 <JohnTHaller> try it. you never know
20:31:58 <Axel__> I am an ex-developer and sysadmin
20:32:07 <Axel__> but now I work in sales since 4-5 years
20:32:11 <Axel__> so I'm bored
20:32:35 <Axel__> and I like having fun tweaking things like these :)
20:32:42 <Axel__> I keep my mind trained :D
20:34:47 <JohnTHaller> Hey, you could help us build more apps :-)
20:35:47 <Axel__> :D
20:35:57 <Axel__> but I'm not smart like you guys ;)
20:36:05 <JohnTHaller> It'll be even easier soon. No code required.
20:36:14 <JohnTHaller> INI-based. similar to the current installer
20:36:28 <Axel__> great...
20:36:41 <Axel__> when will it be ready?
20:36:49 <jnw222> when it is ready
20:37:21 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: don't do that to me...lol
20:37:23 <Gizmokid2005> I like playing with NSIS
20:37:24 <Gizmokid2005> :D
20:37:34 * Chazz agrees with Gizmokid2005 :D
20:37:53 <Axel__> gizmo: learning new things is better...;)
20:38:05 <Gizmokid2005> Axel__: yeah, that's why I prefer doing straight NSIS :)
20:38:08 <jnw222> well just continue using NSIS
20:38:12 * ZachThibeau is working on a highly experimental c++ launcher :3
20:38:19 <jnw222> and i am getting used to NSIS
20:38:29 <jnw222> a c++ launcher?
20:38:38 <Chazz> C++ srsly?
20:38:40 <ZachThibeau> yeah something I always wanted to try
20:38:45 <jnw222> lol :)
20:38:46 <ZachThibeau> just for the fun of it
20:38:55 <Chazz> lol, nice
20:39:04 <jnw222> have a nice time...
20:40:29 <JohnTHaller> Soon
20:40:32 <JohnTHaller> Ity's still NSIS based
20:40:36 <JohnTHaller> Similar to Chris' in the forum
20:40:46 <JohnTHaller> He's gonna be working on it with me
20:41:03 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I figured that much, will it be a requirement or can we still do plain ol' NSIS if we want?
20:41:28 <JohnTHaller> We'll be switching to all useing the generic launcher eventually. Why support 52 different codebases that do kinda the same thing?
20:43:25 <Gizmokid2005> it's not going to cover everything though, so there's bound to be some things that will require actual NSIS work won't there?
20:43:33 <Gizmokid2005> and, just because I'm curious, what about comments?
20:44:24 <ZachThibeau> unless the launcher has something like a spot for custom code like the installer
20:45:28 <Gizmokid2005> very true
20:45:30 <Gizmokid2005> back in a bitg
20:45:31 <Gizmokid2005> *bit
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20:47:27 <JohnTHaller> a rare few apps will require something custom. like the sql stuff for songbird. but nearly all others will be taken care of
20:49:10 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, will we still be allowed to do real nsis launchers, or will all officialy PA.c apps have to use the ini stuffs?
20:49:44 <JohnTHaller> We'll almost entirely be switching to INIs. There's no need to maintain dozens of the same codebase. It's silly
20:49:55 <Chazz> oh, ok
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20:52:57 <Axel__> hi guys
20:53:04 <Axel__> and thanks for the support...
20:53:07 <Axel__> :)
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20:53:37 <JohnTHaller> sure thing
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21:01:44 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: ahh, that makes sense and that'w aht I was wondering about.
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