IRC Log from 2009-09-01
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00:49:20 * ChrisMorgan is back :-)
00:49:29 <SergentSiler> wb
00:49:30 <Chazz> wb ChrisMorgan
00:49:33 <Chazz> ^_^
00:49:54 <ChrisMorgan> I see nothing happened while I was away.
00:50:04 <SergentSiler> lol, very true
00:50:11 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, oh, no, we just killed the logbot for a bit
00:50:26 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: nope, not in the least
00:50:29 <ChrisMorgan> Except gluxon spoke sooth ;-)
00:50:33 <Chazz> lol
00:51:20 <ChrisMorgan> "Forsooth I will do that. I say sooth, sooth, sooth, sooth, sooth, sooth and sooth." "What manner of an idiot is this who keeps on saying sooth?" "Little does he know that I am a soothsayer!" ;-)
00:51:28 <Chazz> O_O
00:52:05 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: what will you do with Inkscape Portable for the heading? "Inkscape Portable 0.47 released by PortableApps.com & Inkscape.org"? And thanks again for the new splash, and being willing to change procedures :-)
00:52:37 <Gizmokid2005> I've REALLY gotta remember to close RSSOwl before I upgrade Java Portable...
00:52:38 <Gizmokid2005> 8sigh*
00:52:39 <Gizmokid2005> **
00:53:11 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... wonder whose Java app will get released first ;-)
00:53:18 <Gizmokid2005> probably not mine
00:53:27 <Gizmokid2005> because they still haven't figured out how to stop using IE's cache.
00:53:30 * Chazz bets his nonexistant one will!
00:53:32 <Gizmokid2005> and it's not final yet
00:53:33 <ChrisMorgan> Ya :-(
00:53:42 <ChrisMorgan> I've got three in line, all using CPALT at the moment. GanttProject, Sweet Home 3D and Data Crow.
00:53:54 <ChrisMorgan> And to the best of my knowledge they're all perfect :-)
00:54:09 <Gizmokid2005> the only issues with mine I can't fix...
00:54:09 <Gizmokid2005> so
00:54:21 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, it's a bit sad, that.
00:54:23 <Gizmokid2005> why he doesn't just change the app to use XULRunner is beyond me...
00:54:33 <Gizmokid2005> because he has a how-to on how to switch it from IE to XULRunner
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00:55:31 <ChrisMorgan> XULRunner would increase size quite a bit though... mebbe 15MB?
00:56:26 <Gizmokid2005> even so, 15MB on the typical flash drives these days?
00:56:30 <Gizmokid2005> isn't even a drop in the bucked
00:56:33 <Gizmokid2005> *bucket
00:56:42 <Gizmokid2005> if we were talking say, 50MB or something, then i'd wonder for sure
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00:56:56 <KookyMan> Gizmokid2005 are you still around
00:57:00 <Gizmokid2005> KookyMan: yep
00:57:13 <KookyMan> How are you at troubleshooting?
00:57:16 * ChrisMorgan wonders how big BPBible will be with its new XUL interface.
00:57:21 <ChrisMorgan> Bigger than Firefox.
00:57:33 <Gizmokid2005> KookyMan: depends on what I'm troubleshooting, but usually not bad, why/
00:57:35 <ChrisMorgan> Because: XULRunner + XPCOM + PyXPCOM + SWORD API.
00:57:49 <KookyMan> Up for a bit of a challenge? :D (We can take it pvt)
00:58:05 <Gizmokid2005> KookyMan: pm
00:58:31 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: it's 14.8MB for XULrunner
00:58:40 <ChrisMorgan> Fairly accurate :-)
00:58:45 <Gizmokid2005> but even so, to use Firefox rather than IE for a browsing engine
00:58:48 <ChrisMorgan> That was just an estimate... I didn't know really :-)
00:58:50 <Gizmokid2005> most people would probably pay that price.
00:58:51 <ChrisMorgan> Yes :-)
00:58:59 <ChrisMorgan> Call it $14.80 ;-)
00:59:04 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: http://www.rssowl.org/node/219
01:00:13 <ChrisMorgan> Obviously you'd need different arguments to the register-global, but it should be easy enough to sort out.
01:00:22 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
01:01:02 * ChrisMorgan wonders whether XULRunner should be a CommonFiles thing (quite possible) or whether we should continue on with private builds (we would for Mozilla apps at least I expect)
01:01:17 <ChrisMorgan> I presume we'll continue with private builds.
01:01:24 <ChrisMorgan> Until we have 20 apps using the same thing :D
01:01:32 <Gizmokid2005> I would say for XULrunner, keep it private
01:01:42 <ChrisMorgan> For the moment at least.
01:01:43 <Gizmokid2005> but GTK, Java, and the like, CommonFiles would be an expected place for those.
01:01:47 <ChrisMorgan> GTK no.
01:01:56 <ChrisMorgan> GTK you get all sorts of troubles with version clashes.
01:02:01 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, more later.
01:02:06 <ChrisMorgan> End of recess time for me.
01:02:16 <Chazz> g'bye ChrisMorgan
01:02:23 <ChrisMorgan> I may be back in just under 2 hours... or I may not.
01:02:23 <Gizmokid2005> cya ChrisMorgan
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01:05:24 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: BTW, if you have the time, could you check out Eclipse Portable too?
01:05:37 * gluxon does not care how long it will take :)
01:06:26 <Chazz> gluxon, he shld check out mine first! :P
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01:06:52 <gluxon> Chazz: yeah, I know. You asked first. :D
01:14:20 <gluxon> So I really have to pay to compile the PortableApps.com Platform? :(
01:14:27 <gluxon> I can't just use Turbo Delphi? :(
01:15:01 <Gizmokid2005> gluxon: that's that JohnTHaller said.
01:15:11 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: First time I've launched OO.Org Portable and I LOVE the splash :)
01:15:31 <gluxon> ... seriously?
01:15:36 <Gizmokid2005> gluxon: yes...
01:15:38 <gluxon> this is the first time you launched it?
01:15:47 <Chazz> O_O
01:15:49 <Gizmokid2005> yep
01:15:54 <Gizmokid2005> I don't use it normally
01:16:02 <Gizmokid2005> I usually just use local versions of Excel/word if I need them
01:16:04 <gluxon> ... how did you make docs?
01:16:06 <Gizmokid2005> and typically I only use excel
01:16:08 <gluxon> oh.
01:16:10 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
01:16:16 <Gizmokid2005> I have Office 03 pro
01:16:16 <Gizmokid2005> so
01:16:26 <gluxon> MS office is evil.
01:16:29 <gluxon> It fails.
01:16:32 <gluxon> like crazy.
01:16:33 <Gizmokid2005> not really
01:16:35 <Gizmokid2005> not for what I do
01:16:41 <Chazz> gluxon, or, of course, he could just be smart and use Gnumeric Portable :P
01:16:45 <Gizmokid2005> I'm sure the bugs I used to see in OO have been fixed, but I saw some I couldn't deal with
01:16:49 <Gizmokid2005> Chazz: not...
01:17:06 <gluxon> Chazz: You know, Kai and I were fighting over that app, and while we were busy you stole it :P
01:17:06 <Gizmokid2005> I can write formulas in excel to do just about any data manipulation you'd like.
01:17:06 <Chazz> Gizmokid2005, darn (jk)
01:17:12 <gluxon> :D
01:17:13 <Chazz> gluxon, heh
01:17:24 <Chazz> well, i guess that solved that prob :P
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01:29:20 <gluxon> Hey Gizmokid2005: Does Songbird Portable update the locations of MP3's on the drive yet?
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01:49:45 <bernat> http://portableappz.blogspot.com/
01:49:59 <bernat> hi
01:50:07 <Suiseiseki> source?
01:50:16 <bernat> yeah
01:50:20 <bernat> if you know me
01:50:25 <bernat> you know i dont like to brag
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01:50:48 <Chazz> wtf...
01:50:54 <Gizmokid2005> haha
01:50:56 <Gizmokid2005> watch this.
01:50:58 <Suiseiseki> whait's a troll
01:51:04 <Suiseiseki> *it's a troll
01:51:07 <Suiseiseki> move along
01:51:11 <JohnTHaller> It's a troll. Ignore and don't discuss please.
01:51:12 <SergentSiler> evil troll is evil and gone
01:51:18 <SergentSiler> lol
01:51:31 <Gizmokid2005> all done, move along as JohnTHaller said.
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01:57:55 <flacman> hi
01:58:02 <flacman> need some help, any one there?
01:58:09 <Chazz> hello flacman
01:58:35 <flacman> hi! :) ... i'm having a problem with java launcher portable
01:59:16 <flacman> i've installed java in x:\Java and java launcher in x:\CommonFiles\javaLauncher
01:59:58 <Gizmokid2005> flacman: you didn't install them to the normal places as the launcher does?
02:00:17 <Gizmokid2005> ie - the launcher in X:\PortableApps\JavaPortableLauncher
02:00:27 <JohnTHaller> Java should be installed to X:\PortableApps\CommonFiles\Java. Java Portable Launcher should be in X:\PortableApps\JavaPortableLauncher
02:00:27 <Gizmokid2005> and java in x:\PortableApps\CommonFiles\Java
02:01:29 <flacman> and i got an error "Java portable .. could not be found"... humm... i think i installed it the other way... java in \ and javaLauncher in \CommonFiles .... thx. i'll try and tell u
02:02:35 <JohnTHaller> As long as you have an X:\PortableApps directory already in existence, both installers will automatically find it and choose the correct location to install to.
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02:02:48 <flacman> =D thx it works!
02:03:04 <flacman> who is coding this launcher and java portable?
02:03:17 * Chazz points at JohnTHaller
02:06:30 <dbdii407> JohnTHaller is the man with the plan. :D
02:07:18 <JohnTHaller> That would be me :-)
02:08:31 <JohnTHaller> Ok, and Eraser Portable 5.87 is now out, so we're all caught up :-)
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02:09:04 <Chazz> oh, and JohnTHaller, this reminds me, how can the PA.c installer program be setup to work w/ apps that use CommonFiles too?
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02:10:44 <JohnTHaller> CommonFiles is for stuff that multiple apps use. You can do an installer for an app. Or for a 'plugin' that goes in CommonFiles like Java.
02:11:00 <JohnTHaller> See 3rd paragraph: http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format#plugins
02:11:10 <Chazz> awesome, thanks
02:11:59 <Chazz> and, also, for the Perl Portable i'm working on, should it stuff Perl into CommonFiles, or leave it in a X:/PortableApps/PerlPortable/App/[insert other stuff here] location?
02:17:06 <JohnTHaller> Not sure. Is it gonna be used by multiple apps. And if so, will we have different Perl versions?
02:17:18 <JohnTHaller> (one of the reasons Perl can get annoying)
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02:17:38 <Chazz> well, i think most everything has started using 5.10.0.6
02:17:53 <Chazz> but there /might/ be some other vers
02:18:22 <JohnTHaller> I mean builds. There are different kinds of Perl compiled by different people, right?
02:18:28 <Chazz> oh, ya
02:18:42 <Chazz> although only like 2 major OSS ones for windows
02:18:48 <JohnTHaller> yeah, that needs to be considered. I think that warrants a wider conversation with the community
02:18:53 <JohnTHaller> Is one more common?
02:19:08 <JohnTHaller> It's annoying to have to deal with for an end user if they're not a Perl person.
02:19:21 <Chazz> well, for win32, ActivePerl (Freeware) is the only one that's rly used very much
02:19:47 <Chazz> Strawberry and Indigo are the OSS ones, and neither are rly /that/ popular :/
02:20:23 <Chazz> (although strawberry already has a fully portable, just not paf-compliant version :P )
02:21:42 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I know. I talked to one of the Perl guys at OSCON
02:21:50 <Chazz> OMG! Awesome!
02:22:18 * Chazz talked with the Strawberry perl dev on IRC, but that's not as cool as real life talking
02:23:21 <Chazz> btw, do we officially support freeware yet?
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02:34:57 <JohnTHaller> not quite yet. we gotta get 2.0 and the installer out and the first beta of the launcher first. this week we should have the next 2.0 beta. and the launcher 1.0 beta 1.
02:35:10 <Chazz> oh, awesome!
02:35:12 <Chazz> and, ok
02:35:35 * Chazz might just wait till we support freeware, then talk to ActiveState and get permission to do ActivePerl
02:42:25 <JohnTHaller> start talking to em now
02:42:38 <JohnTHaller> it's only a couple weeks away
02:43:26 <Chazz> oh, awesome!
02:44:38 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, how shld i address myself, shld i say [name] & PortableApps.com, or what?
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02:49:02 <ZachT|ZzZz> night all
02:49:31 <Gizmokid2005> night ZachT|ZzZz
02:49:46 <Chazz> night za
02:49:49 <Chazz> night ZachT|ZzZz
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02:52:33 <ChrisMorgan> Hello again, once more :-)
02:52:51 <Chazz> wb /again/ ChrisMorgan
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02:55:36 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz, JohnTHaller: re. Perl Portable, while you could do a CommonFiles thing, a) there are few desktop Perl apps, and b) they are designed to use their own distributions and /may/ not like a common one.
02:56:14 <Chazz> ah, good point ChrisMorgan
02:56:44 <ChrisMorgan> (Mainly due to the "which distribution is it?" question which is the bane of most of these languages and toolkits)
02:57:44 <JohnTHaller> alright, I must be off to bed. gnight all
02:57:52 <ChrisMorgan> g'nite JohnTHaller
02:57:52 <Chazz> night JohnTHaller
02:57:53 <Gizmokid2005> night JohnTHaller
02:58:20 <ChrisMorgan> As for Python, that one's an interesting one. There are a few ways of using Python in an application. One is compilation with py2exe, which is the most common distribution technique. Another is a simple pythonXX.dll file, used by some things but not many, and a third which is to include the standard distribution. This is what Blender and Inkscape do.
02:58:46 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, before you go, how shld i say that i'm doing it for PA.c when i contact ActiveState
02:59:02 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, ah
02:59:32 <JohnTHaller> Maybe we should decide first. We can work with them to see what works best. If they want, they can talk to me, too
02:59:37 <ChrisMorgan> Then you've got problems with versions. The main ones around are 2.5, 2.6 and 3.0. 2.4 is still used occasionally (Bram's gVim 7.2 build is compiled against Python 2.4)
02:59:55 <Chazz> JohnTHaller, mkay
03:00:02 <ChrisMorgan> Let's see... we got anyone in Vancouver?
03:00:23 <Chazz> nope
03:00:39 <ChrisMorgan> Meh
03:00:56 <ChrisMorgan> It can be helpful, but speaking to the Head Honcho is good too :D
03:01:14 <ChrisMorgan> Now we just need to find a Melbourne company we want something from...
03:01:24 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan, cake!
03:01:35 <Chazz> Find someone to give all the PA.c devs some cake!
03:01:41 <ChrisMorgan> :/
03:01:55 <Chazz> (They do deserve it)
03:01:56 <ChrisMorgan> Unfortunately you're not around, so I'll have to eat it ;-)
03:01:57 <Gizmokid2005> lol
03:02:00 <Chazz> lol
03:02:09 <Gizmokid2005> I've got my cake, though it's come from CA
03:02:19 <ChrisMorgan> CA = California/Canada?
03:02:26 <Gizmokid2005> former
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03:05:07 <ChrisMorgan> When a full Python distribution is used, there's the issue of extra libraries. They go in $INSTDIR\Lib (NSIS shorthand :P ) and (mostly but definitely not always) inside that, in Lib\site-packages. The way I see it, that's the only decent-sized problem with a CommonFiles Python distribution.
03:06:04 <ChrisMorgan> btw Chazz you'd be gratified to know that Inkscape includes a perl58.dll
03:06:10 <Chazz> :D
03:06:18 <Chazz> yay! :P
03:06:46 <ChrisMorgan> Blender includes some (don't know which), Inkscape includes some (e.g. lxml, numpy, PIL)
03:06:59 <ChrisMorgan> (Python libs that is)
03:07:03 <Chazz> ah
03:08:21 <ChrisMorgan> Then there's also $INSTDIR\scripts which can include scripts (not sure if they're necessary; I think they're for running from a command-line after adding to PATH)
03:08:43 <ChrisMorgan> Inkscape's python distribution is trimmed AMAP.
03:09:37 <ChrisMorgan> Inside Inkscape\python: python.exe, pythonw.exe, directories DLLs, Lib, Scripts.
03:09:43 <Chazz> oh
03:10:14 <ChrisMorgan> Now I think about it I'm not even sure if pythonw.exe is needed.
03:10:20 <ChrisMorgan> Could save 24 KB if not...
03:10:31 <Chazz> :o
03:11:16 <ChrisMorgan> python25.dll is included in $INSTDIR rather than $INSTDIR\python
03:12:35 <ChrisMorgan> Anyhow, seeing as this is going stale I'm continuing on with Manta.
03:12:58 <Chazz> lol
03:13:23 <Chazz> how's manta coming?
03:13:36 <Chazz> ready to make XAMPP extinct yet? ;P
03:14:52 <ChrisMorgan> Not quite. Be reasonable. I started less than two weeks ago.
03:16:06 <Chazz> i was joking :P
03:17:03 <ChrisMorgan> Really? I'd never have guessed.
03:17:17 <ChrisMorgan> I really should get round to comitting what I've got...
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04:13:40 <Chazz> is Creative Common Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License ok to use for icons (For themes and/or apps)
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04:35:14 <Gizmokid2005> excess flood my behind.
04:35:21 <Gizmokid2005> [00:32:12] <@Gizmokid2005> wow lag
04:35:21 <Gizmokid2005> [00:32:18] <@Gizmokid2005> my lagmeter is up to 262 seconds...
04:35:22 <Gizmokid2005> [00:33:38] <@Gizmokid2005> now it's at 334
04:35:25 <Gizmokid2005> that's what I said...
04:35:26 <Gizmokid2005> lol
04:35:57 <Chazz> wow... lol
04:36:14 <Gizmokid2005> yup and then about 2 minutes after I said that I got killed
04:36:22 <Chazz> O_o
04:38:45 <Chazz> has anyone else noticed the lrecent amount of bumpted threads? :P
04:38:50 <Chazz> *bumped
04:40:02 <Gizmokid2005> lol
04:40:04 <Gizmokid2005> not really
04:40:42 <Chazz> lol
04:41:22 * Chazz thinks people have started getting bored and just browsed the old posts to see what they could say :P
04:41:44 <Gizmokid2005> lol
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04:50:08 <Chazz> Hey gluxon
04:50:50 <gluxon> hey.
04:51:00 <Gizmokid2005> isn't it past your bedtime gluxon?
04:51:24 <gluxon> um... no...
04:51:31 <gluxon> :P
04:51:41 <gluxon> maybe...
04:51:45 <Gizmokid2005> uhhh-huh
04:51:46 <Gizmokid2005> .t EDT
04:51:46 <pabot> Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:52:10 EDT
04:52:35 <gluxon> ... Cheez-It'z! It's September! :(
04:54:16 <Gizmokid2005> yes
04:54:17 <Gizmokid2005> yes it is
04:54:20 <Gizmokid2005> for almost an hour now
04:54:20 <gluxon> Hey, Gizmo, why are you opped?
04:54:28 <Gizmokid2005> ...I'm always op'd
04:55:31 <gluxon> ? I thought you guys have to stay as voiced unless somebody (points to Chazz) does something bad.
04:55:46 <Gizmokid2005> gluxon: no, only in -ot are no op/voice statuses kept
04:55:54 <Chazz> gluxon, thats -ot
04:57:04 <gluxon> I remember it for here too though...
04:57:12 <Gizmokid2005> gluxon: nope
04:57:48 <gluxon> okay then...
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06:50:00 <ChrisMorgan> SPAM: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-07-28_-_portableapps.com_wins_big#comment-126749
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13:43:28 <pa_0228> Just tried and failed to download the entire sweet for the 5th time. Is sourceforge having issues?
13:47:13 <pa_0228> help!
13:47:13 <pabot> pa_0228: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
13:50:40 <pa_0228> How Long do I need to wait for a response?
13:52:56 <sar3th> hello pa_0228, just a second, i'm checking sf now
13:53:15 <pa_0228> ok. thanks
13:53:34 <sar3th> are you downloading the full suite?
13:53:58 <pa_0228> I tried the dload twice last night, then 3 times this am
13:54:01 <pa_0228> yes
13:54:16 <sar3th> okay, downloading now
13:56:40 <pa_0228> according to a speed test i did a few minutes before logging on, i can pull at up to 3,000+ kb, so it shouldn't take long and it shouldn't stop between 12 & 50 mb dloaded
13:58:11 <sar3th> strange, i was able to download it without problems
13:58:30 <sar3th> pa_0228: try this link: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/portableapps/PortableApps.com%20Suite/PortableApps.com%20Suite%201.5.2/PortableApps.com_Suite_Setup_1.5.2_en.exe?use_mirror=surfnet
14:00:12 <pa_0228> The "PortableApps.com Suite/PortableApps.com Suite 1.5.2/PortableApps.com_Suite_Setup_1.5.2_en.exe" file could not be found or is not available. Please select another file.
14:00:42 <sar3th> o0
14:01:00 <sar3th> that's really strange, i am able to download that without any problems :/
14:01:49 <MaienM> works fine for me too, weird sf :/
14:02:32 <pa_0228> now you see how I feel?
14:04:33 <sar3th> yeah :/
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14:11:36 <pa_0228> sorry about that, had a system timeout on this end
14:11:47 <sar3th> no problem pa_0228
14:11:47 <KookyMan> Same on this end
14:11:54 <KookyMan> Good Morning all btw.
14:12:01 <sar3th> however, i have no clue about solving your problem :(
14:12:08 <pa_0228> it stopped at 18.5 mb downloaded this time
14:13:14 <pa_0228> do u have a .torrent link i could hit?
14:13:36 <sar3th> sorry, no
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14:26:28 <pa_0228> from the plano site i pulled 19.7
14:27:01 <MaienM> pa_0228: if you could hang on for a minute, I'll put up a temp mirror for you
14:27:18 <pa_0228> cool. thanks
14:29:40 <MaienM> pa_0228: try this link: http://mmfail.getmyip.com/PortableApps.com_Suite_Setup_1.5.2_en.exe
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14:33:06 <pa_0228> so far so good. ff reports 5 min left
14:36:11 <pa_0228> just cleared 86 mb
14:37:49 <MaienM> :)
14:37:59 <MaienM> should work fine unless my connection dies :P
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16:15:05 <fray_> hey there
16:16:43 <Gizmokid2005> hello fray_
16:17:14 <fray_> i guess this is not the place to address toucan related problems ? :)
16:17:46 <Gizmokid2005> fray_: well, it would be, except for the developer of toucan, SteveLamerton isn't here...though we can try to help
16:17:53 <Gizmokid2005> if we can't, you can always post in the forums :)
16:18:49 <fray_> okay :) well, ive installed portable apps to my usb hard drive. when i try to browse the folders of the drive in toucan, toucan crashes, without any error message
16:19:24 <fray_> ok, i just figured it out :D
16:19:27 <Gizmokid2005> ahh, now that would be somethign for the forums I'm afraid fray_, put in as much info as you can so he can help
16:19:29 <Gizmokid2005> OH?
16:19:55 <fray_> it seems the problem was, that i had an explorer window with the same folder open
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16:20:05 <fray_> that a known issue ?
16:20:50 <Gizmokid2005> not sure, post it in the forums to be safe though
16:22:12 <fray_> erm, ok, maybe that was not the problem
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18:52:44 <TimClark> Um...gluxon
18:54:14 <gluxon> Yeah.
18:54:37 <TimClark> Um... http://portableapps.com/node/20219#comment-126794
18:54:51 <gluxon> .... lol :D
18:54:56 <TimClark> Um ... he can't make it go thru testing
18:55:01 <gluxon> :(
18:55:03 <gluxon> why not?
18:55:08 <TimClark> Um ... you have to find folks to test it
18:55:15 <gluxon> ?
18:55:22 <gluxon> He said the dev team is dead.
18:55:28 <gluxon> Or they're not working at the moment.
18:55:35 <gluxon> And the App works fine.
18:55:55 <gluxon> Portably.
18:55:56 <TimClark> so, YOU have to get folks to test
18:56:08 <gluxon> ... A lot of folks are testing it...
18:56:17 <gluxon> Have you seen the download count?
18:56:30 <Gizmokid2005> hello TimClark
18:57:08 <MaienM> hello TimClark
18:57:37 <TimClark> oh my, MaienM is here :D
18:57:50 <MaienM> he is? :O ;)
18:57:50 <TimClark> gluxon: then what was the point of your post ?
18:58:17 <TimClark> and hello Gizmokid2005
18:58:55 <gluxon> Well, I need somebody official to test them...
18:59:16 <TimClark> and you think john can make that happen ?
19:00:16 <gluxon> um.. well --> http://portableapps.com/news/2009-08-20_-_atomic_tanks_portable_3.8#comment-126037
19:00:18 <gluxon> yes..
19:01:08 <TimClark> no, he pushed those cause they were of interest to him
19:01:26 <gluxon> oh...
19:01:41 <gluxon> Well, daBomb69 asked the same question and he said yes...
19:01:45 <TimClark> he was willing to take the time for his own reasons, that does not mean he will do it for every app that no one has an interest ing
19:02:08 <TimClark> link to daBomb quote please
19:02:18 <gluxon> ... it was on IRC.
19:02:22 <gluxon> I'll find it in the logs.
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19:02:40 <gluxon> wait... palogbot might have been down during that..
19:03:03 <gluxon> k, found it.
19:03:03 <gluxon> http://patrickpatience.com/nascent-project/portableapps/irc/logs/?t=2009-08-31#T23-34-39
19:03:50 <TimClark> an he has his reasons for saying he would, perhaps he sees a special value in that app
19:04:12 <TimClark> perhaps there is enough feed back already
19:04:32 <MaienM> pester the dev team about it gluxon, make them test it
19:04:41 <MaienM> it IS their job after all :P
19:04:48 <gluxon> ... http://portableapps.com/news/2009-08-20_-_atomic_tanks_portable_3.8#comment-126037
19:04:51 <gluxon> ^^^^^^^^^^^
19:04:59 <gluxon> John says the team is dead.
19:05:01 <gluxon> DEAD
19:05:02 <TimClark> dont do that gluxon
19:05:14 <gluxon> okay..
19:05:17 <TimClark> ask the members individually, not the team
19:05:29 <gluxon> Okay, where's the list?
19:05:29 <TimClark> ask folks that you know
19:05:34 <gluxon> of people.
19:05:36 <gluxon> on the team.
19:05:38 <TimClark> don't know
19:05:48 <gluxon> ...
19:05:55 <TimClark> but if there is not much interest you can't force folks
19:06:02 <MaienM> yes thats what I meant, ask members of the team to test it
19:06:02 <gluxon> what.
19:06:18 <gluxon> I know I can't force them :D
19:06:20 <TimClark> anyway, my point is , don't bug john about it, he has enough to do
19:06:42 <gluxon> I'm not that mean :D
19:06:42 <TimClark> i'm done
19:07:03 <gluxon> I know ChrisMorgan has tested it...
19:07:10 <gluxon> The only problem is with subversion.
19:07:14 <TimClark> you asked, and then linked to your own comment the next day :O that's bugging
19:07:17 <gluxon> But that's suppose to be a plugin.
19:07:47 <TimClark> anyway, as i said, i'm done, i really don't have time to go into the detail of the app
19:07:52 <gluxon> k.
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23:28:13 <Chazz> Woo! People talked about me! :P
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