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01:15:34 <pa_9990> hey guys a couple of things
01:15:47 <pa_9990> one your live support chat does not immediatly join the portableapps channel
01:15:56 <pa_9990> i had to type in /join #portableapps
01:16:42 <pa_9990> the other is...if you have chrome portable, how come u dont just "portableize" <-- :) chromium?
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01:23:46 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> pa_9990: it does automatcially connect
01:23:48 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> *automatically
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01:23:58 <Gizmokid2005> just tested it.
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01:31:05 <Gizmokid2005> pa_9990: as for chromium, search the forums I know it's been discussed a few times
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01:44:31 <pa_9990> Gizmokid2005: is there a link, i just searched i could not find it
01:45:42 <Gizmokid2005> pa_9990: not sure
01:45:47 <Gizmokid2005> .pa Chromium Portable
01:45:47 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005: Chromium Portable (now with Flash portable howto): http://portableapps.com/node/15677
01:46:11 <Gizmokid2005> it's just not official pa_9990
01:50:07 <pa_9990> Gizmokid2005: i understand that. but when i used this site sometime ago u were all open source. now u hav changed yes. but in the case of chrome, why did u simply not release chromium?
01:51:14 <Gizmokid2005> pa_9990: because nobody portabized it.
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01:52:45 <pa_9990> could i do it? or do i hav to be an official developer
01:53:45 <Gizmokid2005> pa_9990: you can do it
01:53:51 <Gizmokid2005> as long as you follow the spec
01:53:56 <Gizmokid2005> the field guide will help
01:54:01 <Gizmokid2005> .def field_guide
01:54:01 <GizmoBot> field_guide is here: http://portableapps.com/node/14868
01:54:49 <pa_9990> also i was checking the beta testing things and i saw that there is xchat and xnresource editor still there? how come they are not released?
01:54:56 <pa_9990> and thanks for the guide, i will use that
01:55:05 <Gizmokid2005> xchat will never go final
01:55:09 <Gizmokid2005> it's no longer free/oss
01:55:18 <Gizmokid2005> and xnresource editor, I'm not sure about.
01:56:51 <pa_9990> will that go full release? i use that a lot and i would love to b able to use it portablly
01:57:27 <Gizmokid2005> not sure pa_9990, I don't follow that one
01:57:50 <pa_9990> could u ask the developer? that would b great if u could
01:58:07 <Gizmokid2005> just post in the forum
01:58:17 <Gizmokid2005> it has to completely follow the spec before John will release it.
02:04:14 <pa_9990> aight well thanks guys
02:04:17 <pa_9990> hav a good nite
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02:15:43 <pa_4656> I am using windows 7 and my laptop crashes everytime i try to startup any of the portable apps
02:15:55 <pa_4656> what am I doing wrong?
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02:16:35 <CrazySam> hey guys I got a question
02:16:57 <kai_62656> CrazySam: yea?
02:17:03 <CrazySam> is there a way to change or remove the default folders that show up on the platform?
02:17:13 <CrazySam> the Video, Music, Documents folders?
02:17:18 <kai_62656> I dont think so....
02:17:42 <pa_4656> What is a CTCP version ?
02:19:15 <pa_4656> Does portableapps work under Windows 7 ?
02:19:21 <CrazySam> is that a potential feature that is being thought of? I would like to keep all of my files inside the "Documents" folder, but the videos and pictures and music folders also go inside the Documents folder, instead of remaining in the root of the stick
02:19:48 <kai_62656> hmm
02:19:53 <kai_62656> idk
02:20:02 <CrazySam> it's just a distraction, if I delete the folders nothing happens, I would just like to move where the icons on the platform point to
02:20:17 <kai_62656> oh
02:21:08 <CrazySam> any developers around? if you guys get the chance to hear my plight and if you point me in the right direction in the source I could fix it myself, thanks
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02:22:26 <TimClark> "<pa_4656> What is a CTCP version ?"The freenode server is asking your irc client to identify itself [hello, what program are you?] It happens all the time
02:22:40 <TimClark> pa_4656 yes, it should work under Win7
02:23:25 <pa_4656> Crashed for me thrice in a row :(
02:23:45 <pa_4656> now i am afraid to bring up any of the portableapps under win 7
02:24:01 <pa_4656> i tried seamonkey twice
02:24:04 <pa_4656> and toucan once
02:24:31 <TimClark> pa_4656: are you running them from a flash drive or the hard drive
02:24:36 <pa_4656> flash
02:25:07 <TimClark> are you running them from the menu, or independently
02:25:12 <pa_4656> menu
02:25:23 <TimClark> could you try indepently
02:25:30 <pa_4656> sure
02:25:32 <TimClark> shut down the menu
02:25:35 <pa_4656> i don't reply back
02:25:38 <pa_4656> you know what happened
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02:26:41 <CrazySam> @TimClark is there a way I can modify the default folders that show up on the platform? The Video,Pictures,Music folders, either remove their icons from the menu or reposition the folders?
02:27:11 <TimClark> Not yet, you would need to change the source and recomplie
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02:28:32 <CrazySam> is that a planned feature? I think it would go a long way to make the launcher more intuitive and friendlier?
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02:29:00 <pa_4189> @TimClark - Crashed again :(
02:29:01 <pa_4189> sucks
02:29:08 <TimClark> It is being discussed, i think it will happen, but it is not a high priortiy
02:29:18 <TimClark> pa_4189: what crashed
02:29:29 <pa_4189> os
02:29:37 <pa_4189> got a BSOD
02:29:43 <TimClark> it's crashing the whole os ?
02:29:47 <pa_4189> Yes
02:29:50 <TimClark> not just the app
02:29:55 <pa_4189> correct
02:29:58 <pa_4189> the whole OS
02:30:06 <TimClark> what other apps do you have
02:30:07 <CrazySam> not likely that's happening, considering you're still talking to us ;)
02:30:22 <TimClark> CrazySam: he left and came back
02:30:36 <CrazySam> ah, pardon my meddling
02:30:43 <pa_4189> Open Office
02:30:47 <pa_4189> Sea Monkey
02:30:49 <pa_4189> Toucan
02:30:57 <TimClark> do you have firefox or thunderbird
02:30:58 <pa_4189> Filezilla
02:31:03 <pa_4189> none
02:31:17 <pa_4189> I guess Sea monkey has firefox and thunderbird under the cover?
02:31:27 <TimClark> I don't use the apps you have named
02:31:37 <TimClark> so my value is limited
02:31:52 <TimClark> what else are you running when you try to launch the apps
02:31:59 <pa_4189> Opera
02:32:05 <pa_4189> from my laptop
02:32:09 <pa_4189> Norton
02:32:13 <pa_4189> Skype
02:32:20 <pa_4189> that is about it
02:32:36 <TimClark> I would sugguest trying it running nothing else
02:32:44 <pa_4189> ok
02:32:49 <pa_4189> thanks
02:32:52 <TimClark> obviously you would not disable norton unless you trust us
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02:32:59 <pa_4189> :)
02:33:10 <TimClark> by norton i assume you mean av
02:33:10 <pa_4189> will give a try
02:33:21 <pa_4189> yes
02:33:27 <pa_4189> Av + firewall
02:33:33 <pa_4189> norton 360
02:33:49 <TimClark> try with ONLY norton running
02:34:00 <pa_4189> ok
02:34:05 <TimClark> if it still crashes try disabling norton
02:34:19 <TimClark> again, only if you trust us and you got the apps from our site
02:35:02 <TimClark> the firewall could be the problem, but i don't think that would effect Toucan
02:35:29 <pa_4189> yes i got the apps downloaded from your website
02:35:40 <pa_4189> yea - firewall should not be a problem
02:35:51 <pa_4189> i have a winxp laptop
02:35:58 <pa_4189> and everything works like a charm there
02:36:03 <TimClark> for the apps you named I can assure you they are "malware" free if download from our site
02:36:10 <TimClark> doe the xp comp have norton
02:36:15 <pa_4189> yes
02:36:18 <pa_4189> and skype too
02:36:34 <pa_4189> and they are running when i bring up portable apps
02:36:41 <TimClark> do you have access to another win7 machine
02:36:50 <pa_4189> i have been using portableapps for atleast a year now on winxp machine
02:36:54 <pa_4189> unfortunately not
02:37:01 <pa_4189> only one win7 machine
02:37:19 <pa_4189> shoot it crashed again! :(
02:37:26 <TimClark> try the disabling of Norton, see if it helps, if not you should try posting in the forum
02:37:27 <CrazySam> i'm running windows 7, i could try to run Open Office
02:37:47 <TimClark> please do CrazySam
02:38:00 <pa_4189> that will be great
02:38:11 <CrazySam> i'm installing the program, please wait a few minutes
02:38:17 <pa_4189> sure deal
02:38:19 <CrazySam> note that i don't have Norton
02:38:37 <TimClark> understood
02:39:49 <TimClark> pa_4189: while we are waiting, had you disabled the norton during the last test
02:40:16 <pa_4189> no
02:40:34 <TimClark> If you feel comfortable I would try disabling it
02:40:57 <pa_4189> ok
02:41:00 <TimClark> Obviously at this point if it was just Win7 we would have heard from many others about this
02:41:07 <pa_4189> true
02:41:28 <Gizmokid2005> pa_4189: yes, I can confirm it's not the OS. It might be something with the USB drivers causing an issue
02:41:33 <CrazySam> sorry guys, Open Office is a massive instalation
02:41:42 <TimClark> yes
02:41:45 <Gizmokid2005> not liking the extra load on the drive.
02:41:55 <Gizmokid2005> I run Win7 natively, for 2 months now.
02:42:00 <Gizmokid2005> no issues with PA at all
02:42:22 <pa_4189> shoot ok
02:42:34 <TimClark> pa_4189: if Gizmokid2005 is on target with this you could try running the apps from the hard drive
02:42:43 <Gizmokid2005> you should try to get what file causes the BSO
02:42:45 <Gizmokid2005> *BSOD
02:42:57 <Gizmokid2005> and also what TimClark said. Try running them from the local drive.
02:44:09 <CrazySam> yeah this is going to take a while, it's still in the beginning
02:44:48 <CrazySam> i can say though that i've tried google chrome, cool player, foxit reader and clam win without a problem on Win7
02:44:58 <TimClark> CrazySam: you don't have to finsish, we are pretty sure it's not Win7 itslef
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02:45:11 <pa_5789> crashed again
02:45:18 <TimClark> CrazySam: but thanks for the offer
02:45:18 <pa_5789> after disabling norton
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02:45:32 <pa_5789> however, filezilla worked ok
02:45:40 <pa_5789> when i brought up toucan is when it crashed
02:45:42 <Gizmokid2005> pa_5789: it does a full bsod?
02:45:47 <Gizmokid2005> and restart?
02:45:48 <pa_5789> ye
02:45:52 <pa_5789> yes
02:46:01 <Gizmokid2005> does it automatically restart?
02:46:15 <Gizmokid2005> or do you have to have to do something once the BSOD shows up/
02:46:16 <pa_5789> yes
02:46:24 <pa_5789> auto restart
02:46:38 <Gizmokid2005> Ok
02:46:46 <Gizmokid2005> Right-click on my computer
02:46:49 <Gizmokid2005> then go to properties
02:46:52 <Gizmokid2005> and tell me when that's up
02:47:51 <pa_5789> up now
02:48:04 <Gizmokid2005> K, click "Advanced System Settings" on the left
02:48:18 <pa_5789> yeo
02:48:19 <pa_5789> yep
02:48:37 <Gizmokid2005> K, on the Advanced Tab, Click "Settings" under the "Startup and Recover"
02:48:56 <pa_5789> yep
02:49:06 <Gizmokid2005> then
02:49:13 <Gizmokid2005> under "System Failure" uncheck "Automatically Restaert"
02:49:16 <Gizmokid2005> *Restart
02:49:43 <pa_5789> ok
02:49:56 <Gizmokid2005> then hit ok
02:49:57 <Gizmokid2005> and Ok again
02:50:02 <Gizmokid2005> then close the System window
02:50:05 <Gizmokid2005> and launch a portable app
02:50:09 <Gizmokid2005> when it crashes
02:50:14 <Gizmokid2005> write down the file it sasy
02:50:17 <Gizmokid2005> *says
02:50:21 <Gizmokid2005> and let me know what it is.
02:50:41 <pa_5789> ok
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02:57:45 <TimClark> I may not be able to stay on Gizmokid2005 , but you seem to be doing fine :P
02:57:57 <Gizmokid2005> no problem TimClark
02:58:01 <Gizmokid2005> pa_6054: what was the file?
02:58:03 <TimClark> Especially since I don't have Win7 to play with
02:59:25 <TimClark> pa_6054: are you with us ?
03:00:18 <TimClark> [ pa_6054 , i must be going, i leave you in Gizmokid2005 's capable hands, he's good at this stuff :D , no need to reply ]
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03:44:04 <rbrt13> hello ChrisMorgan
03:45:31 <ChrisMorgan> hello rbrt13
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05:40:32 <Horusofoz> Hi guys - Just a note that Avast is going off on PortableApps rights now. I've reported as a false positive but wanted to note it here. I can't even download the menu at the moment as the sourceforge link is flagged as a virus :(
05:40:54 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, dreadful isn't it.
05:41:19 <ChrisMorgan> John's posted one and I've just posted three just telling people to report it as a false positive
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06:04:16 <tommy_> anyone here?
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06:04:54 <Guest31467> hello?
06:05:44 <Guest31467> can anyone tell me why my avasts seems to be finding a virus in the portable apps platform install file?
06:06:25 <Guest31467> useless
06:06:29 <Guest31467> bye
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14:32:56 <ChrisMorgan> Hello, Sergo! Can we help you with anything?
14:33:29 <Sergo> Yes. As I can add *.bat, *.cmd files in portable apps ?
14:33:43 <ChrisMorgan> Not easily.
14:33:49 <ChrisMorgan> Yet
14:33:51 <ChrisMorgan> It can be done however.
14:34:56 <ChrisMorgan> See http://portableapps.com/node/21598#comment-134398 for one way of doing it
14:35:47 <Sergo> Thank you
14:36:07 <ChrisMorgan> Create that file as X:\PortableApps\AppName\App\AppInfo\appinfo.ini and put the bat file in X:\PortableApps\AppName
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14:48:23 <Sergo> Thank you, i did it!
14:48:42 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
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14:55:14 <GizmoBot> MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable, and he has a website at http://mmfail.co.cc/
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15:45:16 <vicc_portugal> hey everyone
15:45:27 <ChrisMorgan> Hello, vicc_portugal
15:45:32 <ChrisMorgan> Can we help you with anything?
15:45:38 <vicc_portugal> Thanks
15:45:52 <vicc_portugal> But i don't need help right now
15:47:47 <vicc_portugal> 7-zip 9.08 is out!
15:49:06 <vicc_portugal> Some guys of PAppZ did it
15:49:16 <vicc_portugal> Is this site illegal?
15:49:22 <ChrisMorgan> Absolutely.
15:49:36 <ChrisMorgan> The most obvious thing is trademark violation.
15:49:44 <ChrisMorgan> Their logo is a direct thievery of ours.
15:50:00 <vicc_portugal> I use some of their apps (GIMP Beta, other opensource,...)
15:50:07 <ChrisMorgan> And they do a lot of free and commercial applications for which they don't have permission.
15:50:16 <vicc_portugal> yes
15:50:18 <ChrisMorgan> Using cracked versions of commercial applications
15:50:20 <ChrisMorgan> Things like that.
15:50:28 <ChrisMorgan> Also their launchers are, I am told, regularly buggy.
15:50:38 <vicc_portugal> and Lupo has their Opera
15:50:47 <ChrisMorgan> One version of Photoshop, for instance, trashed the user profile by mistake.
15:50:53 <ChrisMorgan> Lupo is another bad site.
15:51:06 <ChrisMorgan> Just recently we've held them up for copyright infringement.
15:51:26 <ChrisMorgan> That's the biggest bad thing he does. Stealing other people's work and calling it his own.
15:52:00 <vicc_portugal> I don't agree with that
15:52:06 <ChrisMorgan> Why not?
15:52:23 <ChrisMorgan> It is irrefutable that he does it.
15:52:33 <vicc_portugal> I agree with you
15:52:49 <vicc_portugal> I don´'t agree with Lupo
15:52:53 <vicc_portugal> but Opera could be here, at PA.c?
15:53:04 <ChrisMorgan> Not soon at least
15:53:13 <ChrisMorgan> They're not really friendly about things like that
15:53:13 <vicc_portugal> ok
15:53:27 <ChrisMorgan> If someone really feels like doing it it might happen as an online installer
15:53:36 <ChrisMorgan> We'd need to analyse the installer to see if we could do it with it though.
15:53:40 <vicc_portugal> cool
15:53:44 <ChrisMorgan> And also, none of our developers like Opera :D
15:53:51 <ChrisMorgan> A sure way to kill a project ;-)
15:53:56 <vicc_portugal> lol
15:54:00 <ChrisMorgan> Leastways, I'm not aware of any of us using Opera.
15:54:16 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I've used it once or twice just to verify that a website I've designed works properly in it.
15:54:24 <ChrisMorgan> But that's *ALL*.
15:54:32 <ChrisMorgan> Horrible browser stylistically.
15:54:39 <ChrisMorgan> The only problem is that it's got the best SVG support...
15:54:50 <Gizmokid2005> 17march1987
15:54:53 <Gizmokid2005> bah
15:54:58 <ChrisMorgan> ?
15:55:00 <Gizmokid2005> stupid focus stealing windows.
15:55:01 <vicc_portugal> Hey, sorry, but when is PAP 2.0 coming? I can't sleep, waiting...
15:55:14 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: had to enter my b-day...
15:55:15 <ChrisMorgan> vicc_portugal: sleep :P
15:55:15 <vicc_portugal> and is John OK?
15:55:24 <ChrisMorgan> As far as I know.
15:55:31 <ChrisMorgan> He posted on the forum under an hour ago.
15:55:35 <vicc_portugal> oh
15:55:52 <ChrisMorgan> He's busy though :-)
15:56:42 <vicc_portugal> what about .NET and portableapps?
15:56:48 <ChrisMorgan> Still evil :-)
15:56:54 <vicc_portugal> lol
15:57:13 <ChrisMorgan> It's supported in the PortableApps.com Format specification, but we're not accepting .NET applications for going official.
15:57:26 <ChrisMorgan> There's still no support for it.
15:57:46 <ChrisMorgan> We need support for it in the launchers at least, and preferably the platform as well.
15:58:09 <ChrisMorgan> Support in the launcher is fairly straightforward, I hope to get it into the second release (possibly the first, depends on how things shape up)
15:58:23 <vicc_portugal> it's evil but I use VB 2008 Express Edition... And, Vista and 7 have some .NET, or am I wrong?
15:58:42 <ChrisMorgan> You would probably find http://johnhaller.com/jh/useful_stuff/dotnet_portable_apps/ useful
15:59:01 <vicc_portugal> i've already seen that
15:59:08 <vicc_portugal> and sorry for my english
15:59:27 <ChrisMorgan> My Dad uses Visual Basic 2008 Professional (Microsoft's BizSpark program is a good idea :D ) for his WaterSums software... so it can't be all evil ;-)
15:59:37 <ChrisMorgan> I didn't notice anything wrong with your English :-)
15:59:38 <vicc_portugal> lol
15:59:52 <vicc_portugal> but I'm a beginner
15:59:59 <vicc_portugal> in VB
16:00:05 <ChrisMorgan> Dad was too (with VB) when he started
16:00:27 <vicc_portugal> I would like to learn NSIS
16:00:35 <vicc_portugal> and make launchers
16:00:41 <ChrisMorgan> I still don't like it :-) Give me PHP-GTK or wxPython or PyQt any day :-)
16:01:03 <ChrisMorgan> Soon we'll be releasing the official PortableApps.com Launcher; then you'll just need to configure an INI file to make programs portable.
16:01:16 <ChrisMorgan> No more NSIS coding except for the launcher coders (John and me at the moment)
16:01:30 <vicc_portugal> smiling :)
16:02:09 <vicc_portugal> i'm using the "It's Not Lupos" theme
16:02:14 <vicc_portugal> in PAP 2.0
16:02:26 <ChrisMorgan> That was an opportune theme ;-)
16:02:41 <vicc_portugal> do u have Google Wave?
16:02:46 <ChrisMorgan> NO!
16:02:49 <ChrisMorgan> Nor do I want it.
16:02:54 <vicc_portugal> ok
16:02:57 <ChrisMorgan> I waste far too much time in here already :-)
16:03:09 <ChrisMorgan> Here in particular, that is
16:04:14 <sar3th> hello
16:04:20 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: i do use opera
16:04:25 <sar3th> opera@usb is a zip file
16:04:30 <sar3th> no installer
16:04:38 <sar3th> and hi vicc_portugal ;)
16:04:45 <vicc_portugal> hey
16:04:59 <vicc_portugal> but it may write to Win registry
16:05:00 <ChrisMorgan> I've still never been properly convinced of whether those Opera@USB and Opera Portable things are legal.
16:05:18 <Gizmokid2005> Why ChrisMorgan?
16:05:35 <ChrisMorgan> They never (used to) mention anything about a special licensing agreement
16:05:49 <vicc_portugal> and what about Chrome? opensource, but you cant share it?
16:06:02 <ChrisMorgan> It (used to be?) unofficial at least
16:06:07 <ChrisMorgan> vicc_portugal: Google Chrome is not open source.
16:06:19 <vicc_portugal> Chromium is
16:06:23 <ChrisMorgan> Chromium is open source. Google Chrome is a closed source build of it with a couple of extras.
16:06:23 <sar3th> "The official forum for Opera@USB Help and Support forum my.opera.com/opera-USB" <---hosting at the opera site sounds quite legal to me
16:06:36 <ChrisMorgan> OK, looks like it's changed
16:06:45 <Gizmokid2005> And Opera's license is that of Google's
16:06:50 <Gizmokid2005> *Google Chrome's
16:06:51 <Gizmokid2005> Freeware
16:06:56 <Gizmokid2005> but proprietary
16:07:01 <vicc_portugal> any of you wants Google Wave?
16:07:05 <ChrisMorgan> There is freeware and there is freeware...
16:07:07 <sar3th> "I have the authorization of Opera and U3 to offer a changed Opera Version for Flash / USB Device. Opera@U3 and Opera@USB have been tested by both companies." (http://opera-usb.com/about.htm)
16:07:34 <ChrisMorgan> OK, don't think that was on there a couple of years ago when I looked for it
16:08:03 <sar3th> good news then :)
16:08:37 <vicc_portugal> but it might leave settings in the host pc
16:08:52 <ChrisMorgan> Had it back in August '07 (http://web.archive.org/web/20070831015749/http://www.opera-usb.com/about.htm)
16:08:53 <Gizmokid2005> vicc_portugal: that's what our launchers are for :)
16:09:01 <vicc_portugal> yes
16:10:06 <vicc_portugal> or going to?
16:10:10 <vicc_portugal> any app released today?
16:10:24 <ChrisMorgan> vicc_portugal: http://portableapps.com
16:11:40 <vicc_portugal> I'm using chrome
16:11:47 <vicc_portugal> it's fast
16:11:55 <vicc_portugal> 46 tabs
16:12:24 <ChrisMorgan> Hah. I've had 92 tabs in local Firefox and still have it performing fine :D
16:12:48 <vicc_portugal> I have a Dual-Core 1,866 GHz
16:12:49 <Gizmokid2005> I've been up to 150 once, going through my ICHC rss feed...
16:13:03 <ChrisMorgan> When it was using 3/4 of my 2GB of memory
16:13:05 <Gizmokid2005> and aside from eating up a bit of ram (550M) it ran fine.
16:13:20 <ChrisMorgan> Hah. I had mine using 1.6GB :D
16:13:35 <vicc_portugal> what about KeePass 2.x?
16:13:37 <ChrisMorgan> It happened to have quite a few Ext JS, Ample SDK, jQuery, etc. heavyweight things
16:13:40 <ChrisMorgan> vicc_portugal: .NET
16:13:47 <ChrisMorgan> 1.x is still continuing on.
16:13:53 <vicc_portugal> i know
16:14:08 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: I had chkdsk using 2.1GB
16:14:10 <ChrisMorgan> It really is a completely different application
16:14:16 <vicc_portugal> and for U3, they have 1.15
16:14:24 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: I couldn't manage that on this... with only 2GB of RAM.
16:14:47 <ChrisMorgan> U3 is dead. Make no mistake about that.
16:15:01 <vicc_portugal> I already used PAppZ and Lupo
16:15:06 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: http://gizmokid2005.com/images/chkdsk_wtf.png
16:15:07 <ChrisMorgan> EVIL!
16:15:14 <vicc_portugal> their illegal Opera saved me once
16:15:41 <sar3th> vicc_portugal: you can use the official one from http://opera-usb.com instead ;)
16:15:54 <ChrisMorgan> Exterpate the evil sites!
16:16:13 <vicc_portugal> Lupo has JKDefrag, Firefox, and Gnumeric from us
16:16:25 <ChrisMorgan> "us" :S
16:16:30 <ChrisMorgan> :P
16:17:42 <vicc_portugal> lol
16:18:37 <vicc_portugal> what about m$ and sandisk and U3
16:18:40 <vicc_portugal> ?
16:19:06 <ChrisMorgan> Microsoft were developing a new thing with Sandisk to replace U3 (can't remember what it was called). It has fallen flat.
16:19:55 <vicc_portugal> Which version of Windows are you using?
16:20:02 <ChrisMorgan> Vista
16:20:06 <vicc_portugal> I'm using Vista
16:21:18 <sar3th> I'm using Windows XP now, and sometimes i boot into Windows 7 :)
16:21:32 <Gizmokid2005> I use Win7 primarily
16:21:38 <ChrisMorgan> I'm on Vista now. But at the start of next year, when I get home to Australia, I'm switching to Ubuntu.
16:21:39 <Gizmokid2005> i have XP as a dualboot, but haven't had any need to use it.
16:22:06 <ChrisMorgan> Then I'll just use nice clean XP, Vista and 7 VMs... :-)
16:22:11 <vicc_portugal> and linux?
16:22:28 <ChrisMorgan> Nah, I want to get off the Windows habit.
16:22:41 <vicc_portugal> hey
16:22:46 <sar3th> i can't :( my soundcard is windows-only by creative :(
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16:23:23 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: http://opensource.creative.com/soundcard.html no help?
16:23:27 <vicc_portugal> i've heard about a poll won by LiberKey by cheating
16:24:12 <ChrisMorgan> I'm working on my own commercial project (with Django) and it'll be a bit easier for development if I work on the same sort of system as the deployment systems will be.
16:26:22 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: no :(
16:26:33 <ChrisMorgan> :-(
16:26:41 <ChrisMorgan> And it just plain doesn't work? Have you /tried/ it?
16:28:52 <sar3th> yes
16:28:55 <sar3th> installed it
16:29:01 <sar3th> made my system crash
16:29:07 <ChrisMorgan> :-(
16:29:08 <ChrisMorgan> :P
16:29:13 <ChrisMorgan> s/:P/:O
16:30:30 <vicc_portugal> hey, can VirtualBox be made portable?
16:30:46 <sar3th> not really
16:30:53 <ChrisMorgan> vicc_portugal: for the moment, take a look at vbox.me
16:30:54 <sar3th> ZachThibeau once tried it
16:31:14 <ChrisMorgan> Once we've got the PortableApps.com Launcher handling drivers and services, I may well take another look at it.
16:31:41 <ChrisMorgan> (Drivers and services are on the roadmap specifically for a couple of software partners we've got coming.)
16:32:32 <sar3th> installing drivers to the host system is not in my def of porable software :(
16:32:50 <vicc_portugal> What's your roadmap of future releases?
16:32:51 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, it'll still require admin.
16:33:01 <ChrisMorgan> vicc_portugal: we don't bother with one really :-)
16:33:21 <ChrisMorgan> We're getting the Launcher et al into Mercurial-based version control... soon... hopefully.
16:33:28 <ChrisMorgan> That should improve things a lot, I reckon.
16:33:42 <ChrisMorgan> Goodnight, I'm off now.
16:33:57 <vicc_portugal> GOODNIGHT?
16:33:59 <sar3th> good night ChrisMorgan
16:34:09 <ChrisMorgan> vicc_portugal: I'm in Kolkata, India
16:34:12 <vicc_portugal> oh, here it 16:34
16:35:01 <vicc_portugal> sorry
16:35:08 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
16:35:23 <vicc_portugal> what time is it?
16:35:32 <ChrisMorgan> 10:05pm
16:36:00 <sar3th> hm...alsa claims to support my card, maybe i need to upgrade my distrib
16:36:31 <ChrisMorgan> Do so :-)
16:36:37 <vicc_portugal> sometimes John T. Haller talks here,or am I wrong?
16:36:50 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
16:36:55 <ChrisMorgan> .seen JohnTHaller
16:36:55 <GizmoBot> Sorry, I haven't seen johnthaller around.
16:37:02 <ChrisMorgan> Hasn't been in since GizmoBot last died
16:37:12 <ChrisMorgan> Hasn't been in for 10-15 days or so
16:37:18 <ChrisMorgan> Can't be bothered checking properly
16:37:19 <ChrisMorgan> g'nite
16:37:22 <vicc_portugal> he's sick
16:37:28 <vicc_portugal> ?
16:37:32 <ChrisMorgan> Not now, he's better
16:37:39 <vicc_portugal> g night
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16:38:08 <vicc_portugal> oh, i'm seeing PAP 2.0 and 2.1!
16:38:22 <ChrisMorgan> vicc_portugal: not yet...
16:38:25 <pa_9063> Hello
16:38:33 <vicc_portugal> hello
16:38:51 <pa_9063> can I ask a question?
16:38:55 <Gizmokid2005> hello pa_9063, ask away
16:39:21 <vicc_portugal> you can ask
16:39:33 <pa_9063> Do portable apps have to run from a usb drive? Can I just install the suite and the other apps to a folder on my PC and run them from there?
16:39:44 <pa_9063> thanks
16:39:51 <Gizmokid2005> pa_9063: no, you can run them from anywhere you want
16:40:01 <vicc_portugal> you can install it on your pc
16:40:02 <Gizmokid2005> though, it is always best to install the suite at the root of the drive
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16:46:26 <sar3th> welcome back vicc_portugal
16:46:27 <vicc_portugal> hey again
16:47:00 <vicc_portugal> do u use portablefreeware?
16:47:43 <sar3th> no, i don't
16:49:21 <vicc_portugal> i do
16:49:32 <vicc_portugal> are u a programmer?
16:50:14 <sar3th> yeah :D
16:50:28 <vicc_portugal> what languages?
16:50:36 <sar3th> oh, loads of
16:50:45 <sar3th> c++, java, php, ...
16:50:56 <vicc_portugal> autoit?
16:51:03 <sar3th> yeah :)
16:51:06 <sar3th> and nsis
16:51:15 <sar3th> i prefer autoit over autohotkey
16:51:40 <vicc_portugal> yeah
16:52:43 <vicc_portugal> i only know HTML, CSS, VB.NET, C# and PHP
16:52:58 <vicc_portugal> and autoit
16:53:35 <sar3th> that's a good start then :)
16:54:20 <vicc_portugal> Portugal is finally in South Africa 2010!
16:55:51 <vicc_portugal> do u know launchers?
16:56:19 <sar3th> you mean the launchers used at portableapps.com?
16:56:43 <vicc_portugal> yes
16:57:31 <sar3th> then the answer is yes :)
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16:58:54 <vicc_portugal> are you from USA?
17:00:56 <sar3th> nope, i'm from germany
17:02:18 <vicc_portugal> are you at google wave?
17:03:02 <sar3th> yes, i am, but as long as google wave doesn't run in opera, i won't use it
17:04:11 <vicc_portugal> have you heard about Lupo, PortableAppz and LiberKey, and their cheating aainst PA.c?
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17:05:17 <sar3th> yeah
17:05:42 <sar3th> in fact, i knew that for some time now...very evil of them, especially lupo :(
17:07:03 <vicc_portugal> I've used Lupo
17:07:26 <vicc_portugal> before
17:10:35 <vicc_portugal> what about you?
17:11:15 <OliverK> neah
17:11:19 <OliverK> never needed to
17:12:26 <vicc_portugal> i use some opensource apps from PAppz
17:14:00 <vicc_portugal> what about you?
17:14:35 <sar3th> i'm not a fan of PAppz
17:14:47 <OliverK> they stealz
17:15:04 <OliverK> liez
17:15:10 <OliverK> natzy peoplez
17:15:11 <OliverK> :D
17:15:12 <vicc_portugal> it's true
17:15:39 <vicc_portugal> Oliver, do u know when is 2.0 out?
17:15:47 <OliverK> nope
17:15:55 <OliverK> there's the beta in the forums you can try
17:16:02 <OliverK> but we're still waiting
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17:16:19 <pa_7619> hey
17:16:26 <vicc_portugal> hey
17:17:04 <vicc_portugal> yes, i'm using 2.0 b3
17:18:57 <vicc_portugal> but i use some mods
17:19:24 <pa_7619> what's that?
17:20:12 <OliverK> vicc_portugal: why do you need pa_7619 in here too?
17:20:48 <vicc_portugal> sorry, a friend is here too
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17:21:05 <vicc_portugal> hey
17:22:39 <vicc_portugal> i sometimes use PAP 1.1
17:23:38 <vicc_portugal> i've heard about "Universal Launcher", what is it?
17:26:42 <OliverK> .pa cpalt
17:26:42 <GizmoBot> OliverK: Sweet Home 3D Portable 2.1 Development Test 1: http://portableapps.com/node/19377
17:26:48 <OliverK> hm . . .
17:27:03 <OliverK> .pa Inversal Launcher
17:27:04 <GizmoBot> OliverK: Using Chris&#39;s Launcher: http://portableapps.com/node/21613
17:27:11 <OliverK> meh, close enoguh
17:37:31 <vicc_portugal> lol
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21:08:13 <morrjo84> anyone awake here?
21:08:31 <morrjo84> hello?
21:09:01 <sar3th> yes morrjo84
21:09:15 <sar3th> any questions or problems?
21:10:27 <morrjo84> no, Im making a new app
21:10:30 <morrjo84> and well,
21:10:34 <morrjo84> im new to this
21:10:44 <morrjo84> ive got everything but the installer
21:11:18 <morrjo84> how would you form a control -start under appinfo?
21:13:07 <sar3th> what do you mean?
21:13:21 <sar3th> by the way, appinfo.ini is described here: http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format
21:13:53 <morrjo84> k
21:13:57 <morrjo84> I think I amost got it
21:14:02 <morrjo84> Im a newbie at this
21:14:07 <morrjo84> but I almost got it
21:14:28 <sar3th> you have a working launcher i take it?
21:14:49 <morrjo84> yes
21:14:56 <morrjo84> just icons are screwed up
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21:15:08 <morrjo84> and a missing help.html
21:15:09 <sar3th> ah okay
21:15:15 <morrjo84> Which I can easily fix
21:15:19 <sar3th> :)
21:15:21 <morrjo84> do you want to see the test?
21:15:24 <morrjo84> its lunascape
21:16:05 <sar3th> well, i don't have time for testing now :(
21:16:16 <sar3th> but you should definetely post it in the beta test forums :)
21:16:43 <sar3th> .def beta_forums
21:16:44 <GizmoBot> beta_forums are here: http://portableapps.com/forums/development/beta_testing
21:16:46 <morrjo84> could you?
21:16:48 <sar3th> that's the link :)
21:16:50 <morrjo84> okay
21:16:52 <morrjo84> I will try
21:17:03 <morrjo84> I want you to see it first
21:17:06 <sar3th> okay
21:17:10 <morrjo84> to see how good it is
21:17:29 <sar3th> if you really want to, i'll take a look of course :)
21:18:23 <morrjo84> thanks
21:18:56 <sar3th> post your launcher at http://portableapps.pastebin.com and then send me the link to your posting :)
21:19:19 <morrjo84> k\
21:21:04 <morrjo84> making installer now
21:21:18 <morrjo84> I cant believe I made it in under 1 H
21:21:51 <sar3th> nice
21:21:56 <morrjo84> Its true
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21:22:20 <morrjo84> I cant believe I finnaly made one!
21:22:26 <morrjo84> although
21:22:36 <morrjo84> I haven't gotten around to reg. Entries yet
21:22:44 <morrjo84> thats step 2
21:22:56 <morrjo84> mind if I upload to my dropbox?
21:23:18 <sar3th> nah, that's okay, too
21:23:21 <morrjo84> k
21:24:13 <morrjo84> finished!
21:24:13 <morrjo84> uploading now
21:24:38 <sar3th> :)
21:25:12 <morrjo84> its big though
21:25:16 <morrjo84> 22.3 megs
21:25:17 <morrjo84> >_<
21:25:22 <sar3th> wow
21:25:25 <morrjo84> need to work on compression
21:25:37 <morrjo84> I compress it later
21:25:46 <morrjo84> using upx, jars, ext
21:25:49 <morrjo84> ect
21:25:59 <morrjo84> but not bad for a newbie?
21:26:05 <sar3th> yeah, you still have time for that once it's up and running :)
21:26:17 <morrjo84> it'll take 5 mins to upload going 100kbs
21:26:24 <morrjo84> my DL is 2 mbs
21:26:42 <sar3th> by the way, is it open-source software?
21:26:58 <morrjo84> no, its freeware
21:27:06 <morrjo84> I didn't modify
21:27:13 <morrjo84> Ill use a wrapper
21:27:31 <morrjo84> so no copy isssues
21:28:45 <morrjo84> 57 % complete
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21:30:21 <morrjo84> almost finished
21:30:31 <morrjo84> 85%
21:31:28 <sar3th> hmm....i don't know too much about law issues, but i advise you to be safe, do not inculde the application's files!
21:31:34 <morrjo84> finished!
21:31:44 <sar3th> it might get a problem in the future
21:31:54 <morrjo84> mabe
21:31:58 <morrjo84> but this is just a test
21:32:06 <morrjo84> I am not releasing in public
21:32:14 <morrjo84> untill these issues are fixed
21:32:15 <sar3th> yeah, should be ok then ^^
21:32:17 <morrjo84> here it is
21:32:18 <morrjo84> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/489279/LunascapePortable%20Verson%206%20Orion.paf.exe
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21:33:52 <sar3th> do you want me to test it under windows xp or windows 7?
21:34:00 <morrjo84> it doesn't matter
21:34:06 <sar3th> okay
21:34:06 <morrjo84> go for win 7 first
21:34:13 <morrjo84> cuz I have win XP
21:34:45 <sar3th> then i'll use winxp ;)
21:34:49 <morrjo84> I will
21:34:52 <morrjo84> I have XP
21:35:36 <morrjo84> It works on XP
21:36:52 <morrjo84> btw
21:37:03 <morrjo84> I used the apps native portable version
21:37:27 <sar3th> ah ok
21:39:04 <sar3th> if you want to, i can test it with regshot running, so you can see what is left behind on the system
21:39:11 <morrjo84> k
21:39:14 <morrjo84> test away
21:42:52 <sar3th> looking good so far, i'm checking the logfiles now
21:44:15 <morrjo84> k
21:44:18 <sar3th> okay, looks like you'll only have to deal with a few reg entries
21:44:25 <morrjo84> how many?
21:44:38 <sar3th> i assume 2
21:44:41 <sar3th> 1: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\Lunascape2.LunascapeAPI
21:44:42 <morrjo84> 2 entries?
21:44:55 <sar3th> 2: HKCU\Software\Trolltech
21:44:59 <morrjo84> k
21:45:04 <morrjo84> wait,,,
21:45:05 <sar3th> no, two keys, not entries :(
21:45:08 <morrjo84> trollteck?
21:45:11 <morrjo84> lolz
21:45:13 <sar3th> yes
21:45:17 <morrjo84> creepy
21:45:20 <morrjo84> well
21:45:21 <sar3th> looks like it is based on Qt
21:45:24 <morrjo84> how do I fix em?
21:45:27 <morrjo84> it is
21:45:35 <morrjo84> it uses 3 rendering engines
21:45:46 <morrjo84> and it has all the features of browsers today
21:45:53 <morrjo84> well
21:45:59 <morrjo84> how do I fix keys?
21:46:26 <sar3th> hm...you should take a look at the launcher of a application which does handle registry keys
21:46:36 <sar3th> though i don't remember one right now, maybe 7z or notepad++
21:46:44 <morrjo84> I have notepad ++
21:46:46 <morrjo84> I used that
21:47:12 <morrjo84> what do I type in?
21:47:13 <sar3th> if i recall correctly, notepad++ portable does handle the registry
21:47:28 <morrjo84> k
21:47:39 <morrjo84> how do I automate the use of the keys?
21:47:41 <sar3th> just look at other/sources/noteapad++.nsi in the notepad++portable directory
21:47:47 <morrjo84> k
21:48:01 <sar3th> it will show how to backup and restore them accordingly
21:48:48 <morrjo84> k
21:49:00 <sar3th> lines at 247 look very promising
21:49:09 <sar3th> in that file
21:51:10 <morrjo84> lines 247 in what?
21:51:26 <morrjo84> wait
21:51:29 <morrjo84> nvrmnd
21:51:33 <morrjo84> I already copied
21:51:38 <morrjo84> and adapted to luna
21:54:30 <morrjo84> there
21:54:42 <morrjo84> I told it to use that script to kill reg entries
22:06:20 <morrjo84> okay
22:06:24 <morrjo84> latest version is doen
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22:51:55 <rcmaehl> I have a quick question ablout the PA site
22:52:38 <rcmaehl> Do you have a link to an .xml or .rss feed with the extension?
22:57:00 <OliverK> http://portableapps.com/feeds/general/index.rss
22:57:19 <rcmaehl> Thx
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