IRC Log from 2009-12-27
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00:33:20 <pa_5124> hi anybody here ?
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00:38:55 <gluxon> Hey.
00:39:04 <gluxon> pa_5124: What do you need? :D
00:45:00 <rip> Hello, I've had trouble setting up Enigmail with PortableApps Thunderbird (3.x & 2.x). I followed the instructions at the PA page for Thunderbird, but the error message I get is gpg.exe not found, even though I have downloaded GnuPG for PortableApps as directed. The problem is that the path to gpg.exe is corrupted to be "F:, ... gpg.exe" as opposed to "F:\ ... gpg.exe". Even if I fix this in the prefs., whenever I r
00:45:01 <rip> estart Thunderbird, I get the same problem. Is this a known issue? Or am I doing something wrong (btw, I used downloaded Enigmail from the official site - I don't think there is any custom PortableApps version of Enigmail, is there?)
00:45:35 <rip> where F: is my PortableApps drive
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01:05:26 <gluxon> rip: What's Enigmail?
01:08:00 <rip> Thunderbird addon (enigmail.mozdev.org). The instructions for setting it up are on the Thunderbird page on PortableApps
01:09:11 <gluxon> Okay.
01:09:17 <gluxon> Let me check it out.
01:13:48 <gluxon> Downloading GPG Portable now :D
01:14:34 <gluxon> Where are you installing to?
01:14:43 <gluxon> It should be F:\PortableApps\ThunderbirdPortable
01:16:50 <rip> F:\root\Applications\PA\PortableApps\ThunderbirdPortable
01:17:14 <rip> do you mean it will only work under "F:\PortableApps\ThunderbirdPortable"
01:17:17 <rip> ?
01:18:31 <gluxon> Well, where did you install thunderbird to originally?
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01:22:01 <rip> i orignally installed to F:\root\Applications\PA\PortableApps\PortableApps\ThunderbirdPortable, but now that I've moved it to just F:\PortableApps\PortableApps\ThunderbirdPortable , it seems to work... so does this mean PortableApps has problem with long path names?
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01:25:25 <gluxon> No.
01:25:29 <gluxon> Just wondering?
01:25:42 <gluxon> What's the point in having it in another PortableApps folder?
01:26:16 <gluxon> Well, you just have to check if there's a GPG folder in ThunderbirdPortable\App.
01:26:31 <gluxon> Should work if there's no bugs in the launcher then.
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01:28:27 <gluxon> Gizmokid2005: WB.
01:39:18 <rip> separate PortableApps folder so that I have everything in one root folder (uncluttered root folder of my drive). This seems to be working now its a shorter path. thanks gluxon . ;-)
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01:45:06 <gluxon> Well, NSIS has a 1024 (or was it 256?) character limit. Your previous path might have been longer than that?
01:45:31 <gluxon> Maybe it was 256 :/
01:45:34 <gluxon> Can't remember.
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02:08:37 <pa_1894> Hello, I do believe that Google Chrome is open source, and so its classification as freeware is erroneous
02:09:25 <Ben|Mac> pa_1894 if i remember correctly google chrome is freeware, but chromium, which is what google chrome is based off of, is open source
02:10:38 <pa_1894> Ben|Mac: no, I think you are wrong. that used to be the case, but even then, the only part of chrome that wasn't open source was the part of it that communicates with the google servers for updates and what not
02:11:13 <pa_1894> then they open sourced it: omaha.googlecode.com
02:11:28 <Ben|Mac> well all I know is that john and the other devs have dont their research on that so i trust them :/
02:11:43 <pa_1894> it is now fully open source, i do believe, just that when its built by google to be hosted as chrome, there are some #ifdef flags thrown to the compiler
02:12:19 <pa_1894> umm, there was quite a bit of confusion about that in the beginning, so it wouldn't surprise me if they found the wrong answer
02:14:04 <pa_1894> Ben|Mac: would you like to join me in #chromium?
02:14:22 <pa_1894> Ben|Mac: would you like to join me in #chromium ?
02:14:31 <Ben|Mac> nah I actually was about to fall asleep cause im not feeling so good :/
02:15:34 <pa_1894> feel better.
02:15:50 <Ben|Mac> thanx
02:15:56 <pa_1894> but do check later on in #chromium , i'm sure they'll be glad to let you know that its wrong
02:16:29 <Ben|Mac> oh im not even a dev. im just a volunteer that helps with support on this channel
02:16:40 <Ben|Mac> maybe some devs will be on later
02:18:14 <gluxon> Google Chrome is NOT Open Source.
02:25:55 <pa_1894> gluxon: are you sure?
02:26:00 <pa_1894> can u cite a source?
02:26:17 <pa_1894> gluxon: would you care to join me in #chromium ?
02:28:01 <gluxon> Yes.
02:28:13 <gluxon> Chromium is Open Source.
02:28:22 <gluxon> Google Chrome is not.
02:28:29 <gluxon> Want to know why? :D
02:29:14 <gluxon> I just joined #chromium
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02:36:52 <taneth111> anyone alive?
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02:38:42 * ZachThibeau thinks he just died... checks pulse
02:42:59 * taneth111 calls 911, or the canadian equivalent
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02:52:34 <ZachThibeau> taneth111: we do have 911 :P
02:55:16 <gluxon> :P
02:55:18 <gluxon> LOL!
02:56:04 <gluxon> ZachThibeau: Wait, I thought you left PortableApps.com for a while? <-- Not that I"m not happy you're here :D
02:56:23 <ZachThibeau> It's the holidays
02:56:30 <ZachThibeau> after which I'm gone again
02:56:34 <taneth111> ah
02:56:51 <gluxon> O_O
02:56:53 <gluxon> :'(
02:57:16 <ZachThibeau> work has me busy
02:57:32 <taneth111> yay for unemployment!
02:58:07 <ZachThibeau> boo hiss for unemployment for me
02:58:24 <ZachThibeau> I need money as I have bills, and student loans to pay off
02:59:45 <taneth111> ah, the joys of being 15.
03:01:06 <ZachThibeau> oh the not so good joy of being 21 years old
03:02:00 <taneth111> lol
03:04:33 <taneth111> gluxon: Yes, I did notice the other 2 links, but I only thought of investigating it when I saw the third one. If I comment on all of them, then I'm just as bad as the actual poster ;)
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04:02:10 <gluxon> Wait, that was TaffinFoxCroft? :P
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04:47:03 <gluxon> Can't believe I've been reduced to relearning HTML :P (Dumb HTML5)
04:47:24 <gluxon> Where's ptmb when you need him? :P
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07:46:48 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test it and give feedback
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08:16:57 <ujah> yahoo
08:17:02 <ujah> anybody here
08:17:12 <ujah> my 1st irc pidfin
08:17:26 <ujah> haloooo
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17:41:56 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test it and give feedback
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18:02:12 <TimClark> hello gluxon
18:05:10 <gluxon> Hi TimClark :)
18:05:26 <TimClark> Please read the latest post in the tracker
18:07:14 <TimClark> If you MUST post, please try to Actually be helpful
18:08:32 <gluxon> I told him to please search.
18:08:39 <gluxon> And if he did, he would have found that launcher.
18:09:02 <TimClark> just saying search and nothing else is neither helpful or welcoming
18:10:09 <TimClark> This was discussed a long time ago in the forums, if you know you can find it by searching it means you searched, which means you could have pointed to a useful answer as well
18:10:51 <TimClark> And yes, I know others do it too, and they look just as bad
18:13:47 <TimClark> Here is an example of how to introduce someone to the search function:
18:13:48 <TimClark> http://portableapps.com/node/21955#comment-137223
18:14:23 <TimClark> It tells them that search is there for them to use, but also shows an example of what they can find
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19:41:50 <gluxon> .seen ptmb
19:41:50 <GizmoBot> gluxon: I last saw ptmb at 2009-12-24 00:03:06 UTC on #portableapps
19:46:15 <computerfreaker> gluxon, need some HTML help? (I read through last night's logs ;) ) Anyway, I might be able to help you out
19:49:12 <gluxon> No. :P
19:49:18 <gluxon> I'm an HTML expert :D
19:49:32 <gluxon> Just have some questions on CSS3 and HTML5.
19:51:17 <computerfreaker> oh
19:51:34 <computerfreaker> I'm still working through HTML, but I might be able to help you
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19:54:03 <computerfreaker> wow gluxon, I guess he heard you! 0_0
19:54:14 <gluxon> LOL!
19:54:17 <gluxon> ptmb! :D
19:54:41 * gluxon haz HTML5/CSS3 questions.
19:55:11 <ptmb> gluxon!
19:55:22 <ptmb> did you have a good christmas?
19:55:26 <gluxon> Yeah :P
19:55:38 <gluxon> What'd you do? :)
19:56:16 <ptmb> I went to see my grandparents and uncles for christmass, so I was far away from my pc for 3/4 days
19:56:25 <ptmb> but it was totally worth it
19:58:38 <ptmb> so, I heard you have html5 and css3 questions for me
19:58:51 <ptmb> right gluxon?
20:01:19 <gluxon> Yeah :D
20:01:33 <gluxon> I noticed, actucally, a .seen with GizmoBot :P
20:01:42 <gluxon> So I didn't think you were coming back soon.
20:01:44 <gluxon> 3 minutes later.
20:01:49 <gluxon> You come in the room :P
20:02:07 <ptmb> xD that is hilarious! Anyway, where is the fire?
20:02:37 <gluxon> the fire?
20:02:44 <ptmb> what are the questions
20:03:26 <gluxon> Ah :P
20:03:47 <gluxon> Okay, for one, you know how you can do something like this --> <h1 style="align: center;">
20:03:54 <gluxon> That isn't allowed anymore?
20:04:23 <ptmb> it is allowed, but you should avoid inline styles anyway, they aren't very much future ready
20:04:52 <gluxon> Ah. So in other words, I should ditch it :P
20:05:14 <ptmb> imagine that in the future you want that that <h1> isn't centered anymore, you would have to change EVERY place where you used it like that
20:05:18 <gluxon> And, do you know if html.net is teaching CSS3 or CSS2?
20:05:26 <gluxon> :P
20:05:28 <gluxon> lol.
20:05:40 <ptmb> I don't know, but CSS3 isn't much different from CSS2, it only has a few more properties
20:06:18 <gluxon> Oh. Okay, so I won't bother with that :P
20:06:34 <gluxon> For now.
20:07:09 <gluxon> One more thing. You know the new <video> tag?
20:07:22 <ptmb> yes
20:07:23 <gluxon> Should I start using that for vids, or stick with flash?
20:07:27 <ptmb> (and love it :D )
20:07:31 <gluxon> lol :P
20:07:34 <ptmb> use it, with a flash fallback
20:07:47 <ptmb> you can define fallbacks inside the video tag
20:07:50 <gluxon> Oh, I like that :P
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20:08:03 <gluxon> Never thought about using flash as the backup :P
20:09:22 <gluxon> And the audio/video controls varie from browser to browser right?
20:09:27 <TimClark> Guys, if this is going to be an extended discussion on css3/html5 between the 2 of you it would be best to take it to PM, don't you think?
20:09:47 <ptmb> ok TimClark, and yes gluxon, and maybe we should go to -ot
20:10:59 <gluxon> Okay.
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21:41:35 <littleg> hello?
21:41:54 <TimClark> Hello littleg
21:42:06 <littleg> i need help with KompoZer
21:42:22 <TimClark> one moment please
21:42:26 <littleg> k
21:42:27 <noprob> just a heads up about a broken link
21:42:38 <noprob> http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/2x_client_portable
21:43:26 <TimClark> thank you noprob
21:43:33 <noprob> no prob lem
21:43:39 <noprob> :D
21:44:07 <noprob> :::happy holiday season:::
21:44:22 <littleg> am i still waiting?
21:44:34 <TimClark> one mmomet please littleg
21:44:38 <noprob> yes you are littleg
21:44:48 <littleg> just checking
21:45:10 <noprob> lol I would assist but have no clues concerning KompoZer
21:45:12 <TimClark> littleg: i don't really know about komposer and am trying to see if anyone else does
21:45:25 <littleg> oh ok
21:45:38 <TimClark> What is the nature of the problem littleg ?
21:46:01 <littleg> its not necesarily a problem i just need to know how to use it
21:46:25 <noprob> click and learn?
21:46:31 <noprob> install first?
21:46:39 <littleg> done installing
21:46:40 <noprob> readme?
21:46:43 <TimClark> noprob: step back please
21:46:48 <noprob> k
21:46:50 <littleg> oh never thought of that
21:47:09 <TimClark> littleg: did you check the site for the main app itslef, not our poratable version
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21:47:49 <TimClark> For help getting up and running, visit Nvu Portable/KompoZer Portabe Support http://portableapps.com/support/nvu_portable
21:48:10 <TimClark> that link is from our download page
21:49:11 <TimClark> "You can also post a note in the Nvu Portable/KompoZer Portable Support Forum." http://portableapps.com/forums/support/nvu_portable
21:49:58 <TimClark> That link would be more if the question relates more to the portable version than the app itself
21:50:38 <TimClark> wait, my bad, please stand by
21:51:03 <TimClark> http://kompozer.net/
21:51:17 <TimClark> that would be the link to the main apps site,
21:52:08 <littleg> ok well i think that should help thanx
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