IRC Log from 2010-09-14
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00:27:28 <dstrout> hi, i was wondering if i could get a link removed that is no longer valid,
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00:33:07 <dstrout> the link is http://portableapps.com/u3apps/office/suites/openoffice_for_u3
00:33:26 <dstrout> openoffice for u3 no longer exists at the url on that page.
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00:38:44 <Computator> my internet is annoying :P
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00:39:29 <Computator> dstrout: that link seems to work for me, but i'm not the one that would fix it if it wasn't working
00:42:46 <Bensawsome> dstrout u3 apps are no longer maintained
00:42:57 <Bensawsome> just an fyi
00:46:52 <dstrout> @Benawesome yeah i know that, still get plenty of downloads on my site though
00:47:42 <dstrout> Computator - what do you mean "it works"? I have set it up so there's a notice that it's no longer available, but i think the link should still be taken down.
00:48:04 <Computator> oh ok
00:48:13 <Computator> i didn't know you added that
00:48:18 <Computator> that's what i got
00:48:50 <dstrout> so is there anyone here who could take it down? if not, when would someone be on with that ability
00:51:30 <ChrisMorgan> I can remove it but I'm just checking with John; it sounds reasonable to me but it's up to him really.
00:53:15 <dstrout> OK, sounds good. there's also another link on your site to mine that i would like changed, not removed. it is http://portableapps.com/u3apps/internet/email/thunderbird_for_u3, and I would like the link changed to http://www.u3applications.com/apps/mozilla-thunderbird
00:54:01 <ChrisMorgan> I wouldn't bother doing that myself; the link redirects correctly.
00:54:53 <dstrout> I know, but I have to add an annoying php file to my server's root directory to do so. it would just be nice.
00:57:35 <ChrisMorgan> What's to prevent other people from having such links as well?
00:59:18 <dstrout> well, if they do, they're not showing up in my referrer logs. you guys' links are.
01:02:27 <ChrisMorgan> Quite seriously, I think the best thing that could be done with u3applications.com is to promote replacing it with the PortableApps.com Platform, and probably find the best autorun etc. solution with that so that if people continue to wish to use the U3 launchpad because it starts things nicely they can.
01:02:30 <ChrisMorgan> The U3 platform is dead, and in my opinion you could make better use of your time helping us with PortableApps.com Format apps than continuing to develop U3 apps for what's really an obsolete platform.
01:07:06 <ChrisMorgan> dstrout: John changed the OO.o thing to "Discontinued"
01:09:33 <dstrout> There was no need to change both of them to discontinued! Discontinued U3 may be, but it IS still in use.
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01:09:51 <dstrout> I guess I shouldn't have com here!
01:11:24 <dstrout> I was better off before I asked for this.
01:11:47 <ChrisMorgan> Well, it seems John has decided to mark them all as discontinued... and frankly I agree with him: we don't support U3 apps, and our own ones we've discontinued.
01:13:44 <dstrout> So what's involved in developing for portableapps.com?
01:15:12 <ChrisMorgan> Well, the basic overview of the system with all components is available from http://portableapps.com/development
01:16:01 <ChrisMorgan> Basically the procedure for developing is pick an app you want (or someone else wants) done, and create a portable version of it.
01:16:28 <ChrisMorgan> In PortableApps.com Format; then there are things like the PortableApps.com Launcher to help making things portable.
01:16:43 <ChrisMorgan> How did/do you make things portable with U3Applications.com?
01:16:51 <dstrout> Thats what I've been doing at u3applications.com - from the looks of it, though, amking an app for portableapps.com is harder than making u3 apps.
01:16:59 <dstrout> *making
01:18:03 <ChrisMorgan> I mean in particular the making it portable, not the packaging - how do you write your launchers?
01:19:49 <dstrout> you mean how do i package them? the process is relatively easy, just put the apps' files in a "data" directory, "some app info and stuff in a "manifest" directory, and a "cleanup" exe made by u3 in a "host" directory - at least thats how i do it.
01:20:21 <dstrout> oh, and then you zip the whole thing, and rename the .zip file to a .u3p file.
01:21:08 <dstrout> some apps do need actual launchers, so they can run with certain command-line arguments. for that I just write a batch file and use a bath to exe file.
01:21:09 <ChrisMorgan> I mean the launcher, which makes the application portable, saving settings in the right place, etc.
01:21:27 <dstrout> most of the apps i package are already portable.
01:21:56 <dstrout> e.g. they write settings to the apps' folder, and dont make any reg entries, or put any files in the appdata folder.
01:22:12 <dstrout> i get most of my ideas from portablefreeware.com
01:22:50 <ChrisMorgan> Sounds to me like it's unlikely that all of what you're packaging is properly portable as we define portability - "stealth" as it is called by others sometimes. And also updating drive letters in settings and MRU lists and things like that.
01:23:08 <ChrisMorgan> Leaving /nothing/ behind that we have any control over.
01:23:53 <dstrout> most of it is; if you go to portablefreeware.com you see that the apps listed have a "stealth" field that indicates whether the apps are stealth or not
01:24:02 <dstrout> usually i do only the stealth ones.
01:25:23 <dstrout> admittedly, skype for u3, firefox/thunderbird for u3, and vlc for u3 aren't stealth, but the average user doesn't really care about little "left-behinds"
01:26:23 <dstrout> if they do, then that's their problem, they don't have to download my apps. in any case, if they're worried about it, the u3 platform isn't a good idea anyway, since i think that the u3 software itself leaves stuff behind.
01:27:56 <Computator> it does but not too much stuff
01:28:38 <ChrisMorgan> Part of the reason why I think what we've got is better.
01:29:49 <Computator> it's mostly just the u3 cleanup app
01:29:52 <Computator> but yes
01:30:27 <dstrout> you would lol. in reality, i dont think portableapps.com is bad, and i would probably use it over u3 if i had any real need for portable apps. they used to be useful for me, when high speed internet could only be gotten at my library, but now i don't really have any apps i need to carry around.
01:30:53 <dstrout> since i have DSL at my house.
01:31:23 <dstrout> more selection here too :)
01:31:48 <Computator> :)
01:32:45 <dstrout> anyway, g2g. thank for the help with the links, and the discussion on portable apps. i may be back soon to help develop for you guys.
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02:49:55 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
02:51:37 <ZachThibeau> evening/moring folks
02:51:49 <OliverK> evening ZachThibeau
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03:20:06 <Nat_> Hi everyone, having a quirky problem with PortableApps running on a compact WD 500G portable hard drive
03:21:02 <Nat_> First thing I put on the drive was portableapps, thereafter, folders I created in Windows Vista all become hidden when trying to explore the drive on other computers
03:21:31 <Nat_> I'm using this drive to back up photos while I travel and am switching PCs all the time, sometimes back down to XP, and not being able to see any of my files is really annoying
03:21:53 <Nat_> Needless to say, trying the "view hidden files and folders" option ont he drive doesn't help
03:23:30 <ChrisMorgan> Nat_: I presume the disk is formatted as NTFS; the most likely problem is permissions between the computers.
03:24:27 <Nat_> Is there any way to fix this?
03:24:36 <ChrisMorgan> The best way to fix it is to reformat the disk as NTFS with security descriptors turned off. The easiest way to fix it is to change the permissions at the root of the drive so that "Everyone" can read and write and do everything, and apply that to all subfolders and files.
03:24:45 <OliverK> properties
03:24:59 <OliverK> permissions, then click on use and then give all the permission to the user
03:25:05 <OliverK> it'll work, without reformatting it
03:26:16 <Nat_> Not seeing a permissions option in the drive properties; working on a Vista computer today, is it called something else? "Sharing"?
03:26:28 <OliverK> nope, what tabs have you got?
03:27:12 <Nat_> General, Tools, Hardware, Sharing, ReadyBoost, Customize
03:28:15 <OliverK> i can't seem to find it here, just a sec
03:28:58 <OliverK> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/howdoi/?p=105
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05:20:04 <JohnTHaller> Ok, seamonkey is up. And the fixed VLC with new font cache handling is up.
05:21:52 <ChrisMorgan> gVim is also ready for release when you're ready, just the splash file needing updating with the one you made and the Pre-Release removed.
05:22:47 <JohnTHaller> yeah, it's in the list. I did VLC tonight because of the annoying bug. And I'd uploaded Seamonkey on friday but hadn't posted it all yet.
05:26:05 <OliverK|Away> JohnTHaller: PNotes 6.5 please
05:26:09 <OliverK|Away> and, night all
05:27:15 <JohnTHaller> I'm gonna finish the other apps tomorrow. And post PA.c Installer 2.0.4
05:30:31 <ChrisMorgan> What's new in 204?
05:31:25 <JohnTHaller> switching back to 7z stable and losing support for installs to unicode paths with online install extractions
05:32:33 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
05:33:44 <JohnTHaller> Sad. but gotta keep it working with Skype
05:33:56 <ChrisMorgan> Indeed.
05:34:59 <JohnTHaller> I debated doing 8.3 paths, but I thought that might mess up long filenames inside zips
05:43:49 <ChrisMorgan> It would do, almost certainly.
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05:44:45 <JohnTHaller> I also debated adding a switch to select which one to use, but that gets complicated.
05:48:17 <ChrisMorgan> Definitely. I reckon that with this sort of thing, simpler is better, provided any corner case situations which make it not work alert the user about the problem and suggest what they should do (install to a different directory and move before running).
05:51:20 <JohnTHaller> alright, sleep for now. got contract stuff to work on with the lawyer in the AM.
05:51:59 <JohnTHaller> gnight!
05:53:18 <ChrisMorgan> G'nite
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10:11:06 <robw_64> hi all, looking for the 4.1 version of the skype portable app. The website only show the latest 4,3 DL link..
10:11:17 <robw_64> 4.2 link.....
10:11:45 <auscompgeek> look on sourceforge
10:12:15 <robw_64> all previous version can be found there? Cool, thanks. Didin't think of that %-)
10:12:28 <auscompgeek> No problem.
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15:34:54 <pa_2194> help
15:34:54 <GizmoBot> pa_2194: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
15:35:40 <pa_2194> can i find information about PAD/xml of portableapps products?
15:37:03 <pa_2194> help!
15:37:03 <GizmoBot> pa_2194: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
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16:31:50 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
16:32:37 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller, saw your post with the commercial software license, I wish you the speed you need to get it done and properly :)
16:33:06 <JohnTHaller> Thanks. I just marked up changes and sent it back to the lawyer. It's only about 6 pages. Trying to keep it short and concise.
16:34:22 <ZachThibeau> seems like no a days people want things in short format
16:34:26 <ZachThibeau> **now
16:34:57 <Gizmokid2005> Hey JohnTHaller. I'm packaging a quick test of songbird 1.8 right now. Not sure what's all changed, but I don't think much has. Going to put up a quick PR.
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16:53:08 <Gizmokid2005> Songbird Portable 1.8 PR1: http://portableapps.com/node/24928
16:53:23 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I'm pretty sure DamnVid is ready to go as well if you want to add that to your list.
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17:01:47 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and Iron Portable, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback.
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17:22:19 <Green00000> i have a problem with updating firefox (installed+portable) ..... installed V3.6.3 ....... portable V3.6.8 ........ i start "searching for updates", but the result is just that all updates are allready installed.
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17:24:58 <JohnTHaller> download the latest Firefox Portable and install it right over the existing one. it'll ensure that both Firefox and the Firefox Portable launcher are updated
17:41:00 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: did you see my message about Iron Portable's splash screen? (If you didn't, a quick summary is "SRWare said yes to it")
17:41:34 <JohnTHaller> Oh yeah. Hang on and let me build that for ya...
17:41:42 <JohnTHaller> They're hosting it right?
17:41:47 <computerfreaker> Yep, they're hosting it.
17:41:58 <computerfreaker> I'll send them the final build, then they'll send me the link once they get it up.
17:42:44 <JohnTHaller> Ok. We do the splash a bit different when they host it (add their homepage)
17:42:51 <computerfreaker> OK
17:43:04 <computerfreaker> Do you have the link to their homepage?
17:43:10 <JohnTHaller> srware.net
17:44:30 <computerfreaker> yep
17:44:48 <JohnTHaller> Are they happy with Iron Portable. Or do that want it as SRWare Iron Portable?
17:46:28 <computerfreaker> I think they're good with Iron Portable.
17:46:31 <computerfreaker> Want me to check?
17:49:31 <JohnTHaller> Ok, here's it is. Work for ya? http://portableapps.com/temp/IronPortable.jpg
17:50:32 <computerfreaker> Wow, that's great!
17:50:47 <computerfreaker> I really love the new splash-screen look... thank you! :D
17:51:12 <JohnTHaller> Package it up and send to them for final review. And ask if they want to do Iron Portable or SRWare Iron Portable. We can always switch it later, too. IronPortable will be the AppID (and directory and launcher name) either way.
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17:51:29 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, DJ did a great job on the new look.
17:51:50 <computerfreaker> OK, I'll make sure the splash is good with them. They've already approved everything else, but I'll ask them to take another look at it just to be sure.
17:54:34 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, we want to be sure they're happy with all of it. We like to keep our software partners happy :)
17:55:50 <computerfreaker> :)
17:56:22 <computerfreaker> That reminds me, I should join their forums so I can field any questions about Iron Portable.
17:56:32 <JohnTHaller> Sure, that's a good idea.
17:58:01 <computerfreaker> Build complete, beginning upload.
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18:09:04 <computerfreaker> OK, upload complete and e-mail sent.
18:09:20 <JohnTHaller> Cool
18:09:40 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: assuming SRWare approves everything, when will we do the official release? I want to be sure I can be online for that entire day.
18:09:44 <JohnTHaller> Hopefully we can announce it tomorrow when we push out a couple new apps (so they don't get lost in the next set of updated apps I do today)
18:10:12 <computerfreaker> OK, sounds great! I'll keep an eye on my e-mail and hopefully they'll reply as quickly as they did last time.
18:10:26 <JohnTHaller> If they want to do a press release or anything with it, I can give them a quote, too. We'll be announcing it on the homepage and via Twitter and possibly Facebook as well.
18:10:53 <computerfreaker> Cool! I'll pass that on as soon as they approve the build.
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18:24:02 <JohnTHaller> We have a software contract
18:27:31 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: congratulations! Who is the contact with?
18:27:52 <JohnTHaller> I mean we have one finalized by our legal consel. So now we can start signing up commercail software publishers.
18:28:21 <computerfreaker> Great!
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19:04:42 <pa_0269> I want to access a web site that requires java. I have installed java portable launcher butdo not know how to use it ?
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23:53:38 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller, still no answer from SRWare (not surprising, given the lateness of the hour in Germany) but I'll let you know when I do get one. I'll probably post the official build link in the Iron Portable thread.
23:53:53 <computerfreaker> Anyway, it's getting quite late here too, so I'm going to sign off.
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