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00:10:41 <DannyMuniz> ok guys i did an update on InnoSetup http://portableapps.com/node/26576
00:15:47 <DannyMuniz> well im out for now guys latter
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01:26:41 <JAWS> help!
01:26:41 <GizmoBot> JAWS: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
01:27:29 <kAlug> Hi JAWS, how can we help you?
01:27:50 <JAWS> does assaultcube portable support the mod opening method of using custom .bats?
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01:34:33 <kAlug> JAWS: I don't use AssaultCube Portable, so I can't answer you. You can try to do it first and come back here if it doesn't work.
01:35:38 <JAWS> i have tried, i can't get it to work
01:35:42 <kAlug> JAWS: Wait, I think I understood your question: does those .bat files call AssaultCube with some command-line parameters?
01:36:21 <JAWS> yes, sry i tried to word it better
01:38:05 <JAWS> I've read AC's forum about the .bats and did what it said but it never worked
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01:39:51 <kAlug1> JAWS: Can you paste one of these .bat files to e.g. http://pzt.me?
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01:42:30 <JAWS> i'd rather not, never been there before
01:44:20 <kAlug_> It's a pastebin, so you can use http://pastebin.com/ or anything on the list at https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Comparison_of_pastebins instead.
01:46:25 <JAWS> ya, id rather not, thanks for the help any way, sorry i have to go
01:46:36 <JAWS> and sorry if i wasted your time
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01:49:28 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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15:01:23 <pa_3026> hello all
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15:10:15 <agdurrette> hi
15:10:52 <Flametail> Anyone up for portabilizing something for me?
15:11:18 <agdurrette> what is it?
15:11:20 <Flametail> It might be a bit of a challenge, theres a DLL involved. Or, it's open source, maybe you can get past that requirement.
15:12:12 <Flametail> Mostly, an application I develop. THat parts fine. But the updater I'm using requires a DLL to be registered.
15:12:58 <Flametail> But thats the only problem. Otherwise, there a no registry settings, and everything runs with relative paths to the main directory of the program
15:13:36 <agdurrette> the updater would be left alone
15:13:59 <Flametail> But it is needed....the updater is open source, if you think you can fix it.
15:14:19 <agdurrette> why is it needed?
15:14:34 <Flametail> Becuase I often make small updates that are required?
15:15:07 <agdurrette> ah.
15:15:31 <Flametail> Here's the updater... http://zupdate.sourceforge.net/ its Visual Basic.
15:16:29 <agdurrette> the app your talking about is yours right?
15:17:03 <Flametail> Z-Updater is not. The rest of the application, Impressive Title, is.
15:17:28 <agdurrette> can you give me a link to it?
15:17:38 <Flametail> http://flametail.webege.com/it/
15:18:56 <agdurrette> what is it what does it do?
15:20:02 <Flametail> Its a game.
15:20:12 <agdurrette> also take a look at this http://portableapps.com/development
15:20:32 <Flametail> Inspired by "The Lion King"...it's been around for years, but I've recently taken full control.
15:20:52 <agdurrette> this is what most of the apps use to be made portable http://portableapps.com/apps/development/portableapps.com_launcher
15:21:05 <Flametail> Yes, I am aware of that. I thought the DLL might be an issue.
15:21:26 <Flametail> It needs to be registered or else updater doenst work.
15:21:49 <agdurrette> i think the updater will have to be omitted
15:22:31 <Flametail> So nothing can be done about it? NSIS cannot register it, then unregister it?
15:22:46 <Flametail> I think NSIS is what the portable apps luancher is made of...
15:22:48 <agdurrette> It might but i dont know
15:23:04 <agdurrette> yes it is
15:24:48 <agdurrette> I would ask on the fourms
15:27:23 <agdurrette> firefox portable has a updater but it is not used
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16:29:37 <Thasmo> Hey ho! Does anybody know when FFX 5 portable will be released? Thanks!
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16:35:25 <Thasmo> ZachThibeau, GizmoBot, any idea? Thanks!
16:35:47 <Gizmokid2005> Thasmo: you can upgrade through your current FX4 installation
16:35:57 <Gizmokid2005> the "official" release will be done when it's done. We don't know.
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19:55:22 <DannyMuniz> well summer is officialy here
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20:38:25 <Simeon> hi all
20:38:45 <DannyMuniz> hey Simeon! :")
20:39:53 <Simeon> hi Danny
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20:45:11 <pa_8544> Hello all.
20:45:31 <pa_8544> Im using portableappslauncher to make a launcher for my app...
20:45:40 <Simeon> yes
20:45:45 <pa_8544> However, i'd like to add some custom code...where can I do this?
20:46:02 <pa_8544> http://portableapps.com/node/28257#comment-178628
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20:48:30 <Simeon> The launcher manual (http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/) has a part about custom code. In short, you put a file Custom.nsh in the Other\Source directory of a package and put the custom code inside that file.
20:48:51 <pa_8544> ok.
20:49:11 <Simeon> I am not sure about the place of the file but I think that where it should go.
20:49:30 <pa_8544> and also on that thread, I;m asked to get a plugin....the link leads to a mecurial page but no download :(
20:51:33 <Simeon> click on the link named "raw".
20:51:55 <Simeon> its badly explained. Had to try and figure that out myself :)
20:55:15 <pa_8544> and...the custom code doesnt work.
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20:56:24 <GizmoBot> ptmb knows a lot about HTML+CSS, besides that, he is just a lunatic...
20:56:39 <Simeon> maybe the path wasnt right. Whats the version of the laucher generator you use?
20:56:49 <pa_8544> Latest..just downloaded today
20:57:06 <Simeon> In version 2.1 it has to be App\AppInfo\Launcher\Custom.nsh so I gave you the wrong location.
20:58:27 <pa_8544> ok. that worked.
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20:58:34 <Simeon> cool
20:58:38 <Simeon> hi Torc_
20:58:43 <Torc_> Afternoon everyone
20:58:53 <pa_8544> Now, after I package this in an installer, what is the proper proccess to put it up?
20:59:10 <Torc_> I have a question, can portable apps work with windows phones?
20:59:53 <pa_8544> I've tried. Windows Mobile 5 and 6 didint let me.
21:00:00 <pa_8544> Not sure about there new 7.
21:00:01 <Simeon> @Torc_: no. They need a windows PC operating system or wine on unix/linux.
21:00:19 <Torc_> Ok, was hoping it was possible
21:00:20 <Simeon> windows =/= windows mobile
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21:01:17 <Simeon> @pa_8544: after you built the launcher, you can package it using the installer (http://portableapps.com/apps/development/portableapps.com_installer)
21:01:18 <pa_8544> windows != windows mobile. But i hear they are working on it.
21:01:37 <Simeon> yes. from windows 8 on everything might be different
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21:03:01 <pa_8544> Installer is finished building.
21:03:49 <Simeon> cool
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21:05:07 <pa_8544> Now what? Do you guys mind if I pass it around in this irc for a test? I doubt you guys have ever installed this before, which makes the perfect situation.
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21:07:11 <DannyMuniz> pa_8544: you should make a post in the forum in the beta category
21:16:03 <pa_8544> http://portableapps.com/node/28262
21:16:05 <pa_8544> Done
21:16:11 <Simeon> yes. Thats probably the vest way. and as you are the dev of the app, there wont be any problems license-wise :)
21:16:35 <Simeon> its huge!
21:17:28 <Simeon> got any screenshots?
21:17:58 <Simeon> you should probably state the license in the beta post. people will be asking about it.
21:18:38 <Simeon> Why is it named revision 1? (I do ask a lot of questions)
21:19:08 <DannyMuniz> it should be Development test 1
21:23:04 <pa_8544> License: I'm going to work with KovuLKD on a license, i'm not sure what to use or, hell, how to even write one. I ain't a lawyer.
21:24:05 <DannyMuniz> you can use the GPL license
21:24:15 <pa_8544> Isnt GPL for open source?
21:24:23 <Simeon> yes
21:24:29 <pa_8544> Mines freeware.
21:24:54 <Simeon> I'd have a look at a couple freeware licenses and then adapt one you like,.
21:27:45 <Simeon> help.html has a typo (gamepackaged and catchy tagline) and you should remove the line about this software being open source :)
21:27:45 <GizmoBot> Simeon: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
21:29:53 <Simeon> Does it have any settings which should be saved into tha /Data folder?
21:32:37 <Simeon> It doesnt start. Does it need anything like c++ files or the like?
21:35:06 <pa_8544> Maybe, I;m not sure.
21:35:35 <pa_8544> If it does I guess I can't portablize it.
21:35:43 <pa_8544> :-(
21:36:06 <Simeon> does the normal installer install anything else ?
21:36:29 <pa_8544> Hrmm... vcredistx86
21:36:39 <pa_8544> I think thats C++ runtimes...
21:36:43 <Simeon> yep
21:36:52 <Simeon> those need to be in the /appIT folder
21:36:55 <Simeon> app/IT
21:37:06 <Simeon> is it the latest version?
21:37:11 <pa_8544> do they? they dont need to be installed?
21:37:15 <Simeon> no.
21:37:39 <pa_8544> it uses the 2008 C++ runtimes I believe
21:37:47 <pa_8544> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=9B2DA534-3E03-4391-8A4D-074B9F2BC1BF&displaylang=en
21:37:50 <Simeon> normally they do need to be installed but we cant install them for a portable app as it might be run on a PC with limited rights where we cant install anything
21:38:23 <pa_8544> So if they need to be installed.....im confused here.
21:39:36 <Simeon> for a non portable install they need to be installed.
21:39:50 <DannyMuniz> The launcher takes care of that
21:40:18 <pa_8544> Well, feel free to share your wisdom, and dont install the runtimes, I obviously need proper testers.
21:40:29 <Simeon> but for a portable install they can not be installed because the user might not have the rights for it.
21:40:43 <Simeon> so we need to package it with the right files.
21:41:11 <Simeon> let me have a look
21:51:49 <Simeon> Is vcredistx86 included with the normal install?
21:51:54 <pa_8544> yes
21:53:39 <Simeon> mine didnt. and it told me to install d3dx937.dll.
21:53:57 <pa_8544> d3ddx937.dll is directx
21:54:13 <Simeon> so it needs that too
21:54:48 <pa_8544> Dont directx dlls need to be registered?
21:54:56 <Simeon> I fear so.
21:55:27 <pa_8544> Well, thats the end of this idea. Although this usually uses OpenGL.
21:55:40 <pa_8544> Dunno why it defualted to Directx
21:55:50 <Simeon> maybe it works if OpenGL is included.
21:56:06 <Simeon> I have to go now. Hope I could help you a bit.
21:57:08 <pa_8544> Well, you helped..
21:57:19 <pa_8544> Now more errors and I dunno how to fix them :(
21:57:37 <Simeon> ask in the forums is all I can say now.
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21:58:18 <pa_8544> Did anyone else download
21:58:43 <pa_8544> I have a probable fix that I cant try well, you have the clean system, not me.
21:59:35 <pa_8544> in App/IT find Plugins.cfg and put a # in front of Plugin=RenderSystem_Direct3D9
22:01:15 <pa_8544> ahh, well. I gotta run to. BBL
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22:31:40 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: I'm fixing some errors in the PAL's manual. How much of this note I should keep? http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/advanced/debug/#debug-nsh
22:32:46 <ChrisMorgan> The "Note: " is the only bit which is out of date.
22:35:07 <kAlug> Exactly. The "utility which will do all that the Generator does and more" is the PADT, right? I will change the text to mention it.
22:37:13 <ChrisMorgan> Don't yet.
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22:39:34 <kAlug> OK. I just dropped the first sentence.
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22:46:12 <DannyMuniz> oh man i feal sorry for John, firefox 5 is out
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22:55:03 <JAWS> help!
22:55:03 <GizmoBot> JAWS: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
22:56:07 <JAWS> what is the HTML/Rce.Gen that is found by Avira in my PA.c backup .zips?
22:57:43 <kAlug> JAWS: what are the name of the files?
22:58:01 <JAWS> what do you mean?
22:59:37 <kAlug> In what files inside the .zips does Avira found the malware?
23:02:24 <JAWS> is it finding something within ClamWin that it doesn't like
23:03:34 <JAWS> i think its this... ortableApps/ClamWinPortable/Data/db/clamav-6d4bec99b5d91707ad4764c9be701eb3.00000f88.clamtmp/clamav-665dc5f582c0b87c0753440686d2b491.00000f88.clamtmp/daily.ndb
23:03:35 <JAWS> [DETECTION] Contains recognition pattern of the HTML/Rce.Gen HTML script virus
23:07:18 <kAlug> It's ClamAV database... so it's certain it will contain virus samples.
23:08:01 <ChrisMorgan> Antivirus software providers finding problems with one another is quite common for this reason.
23:08:39 <ChrisMorgan> Though not as common as it used to be - they normally do it in a way which makes it less likely to be picked up by others now, I believe.
23:09:52 <JAWS> OK thank you
23:10:14 <JAWS> bye. thx again
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23:16:34 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: thanks for doing that PAL manual update, saved me from doing it :-)
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23:22:36 <DannyMuniz> ok il will be taking a stab at making this program portable http://synfig.org/
23:22:56 <DannyMuniz> I hope that everythingworks well with the making of it
23:24:33 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: (not sure of the correct English expression here). Anyway, are you already working on %PAL:LastAppDir%? If not, I have some free hours to do it.
23:30:00 <kAlug> In fact I have too much free time.
23:36:21 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not sure if I want it done quite that way.
23:37:24 <ChrisMorgan> What I have noted down in my TODO list is [SaveLastValue] to save arbitrary values - e.g. ``PAL:LastDataDir=%PAL:DataDir%``, ``LastDocuments=%PAL:Documents%``
23:39:32 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not sure if PAL:LastAppDir/PAL:LastDataDir should be done automatically or not - make all apps a smidgeon slower again (some time I think we may need to optimise) or tell people to put in those two lines if they want one of them?
23:41:29 <kAlug> Your approach seems to be better, however I'd use something like [PersistentData]. A custom code counterpart like ${WritePersistentData} would also be useful.
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23:45:32 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: one other one that I need to add for PAL 2.2 is %PAL:AppID%=$AppID. Just a simple ${SetEnvironmentVariable} PAL:AppID $AppID in Segments\Core.nsh plus docs and release notes. Feel like doing that?
23:46:35 <ChrisMorgan> Seems a bit silly the way there's currently no AppID exposed so things like the "writing to %PAL:DataDir%\settings\$AppIDSettings.ini" couldn't be done with a variable for $AppID.
23:48:51 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: WorkInProgress...
23:49:58 <kAlug> By the way, some apps won't use %PAL:Last*Dir% at all, so just let the dev specify them.
23:50:54 <kAlug> And our PAF copy needs to be updated. I'll start with it.
23:51:41 <ChrisMorgan> I didn't update the languages after getting John to correct them all.
23:52:34 <ChrisMorgan> Concerning performance, with the help of PADT at some point I'm considering going back to compile-time launcher configuration, which would increase performance quite significantly.
23:56:28 <kAlug> It'd nice if the PAF page was versioned.