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02:06:22 <JohnTHaller> purty good. you?
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02:15:45 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
02:15:48 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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15:06:32 <Pyromaniac> I'm getting random crashes with Instantbird
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16:19:01 <Pyromaniac> hiya TPFC-SYSTEM
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16:26:24 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Oh, hi Pyromaniac.
16:30:44 <Pyromaniac> What does TPFC stand for?
16:31:13 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The Portable Freeware Collection: http://www.portablefreeware.com
16:31:48 <TPFC-SYSTEM> My nickname here would be just SYSTEM, if that nick wasn't reserved when I joined this network...
16:32:21 <Pyromaniac> Why that username?
16:33:42 <TPFC-SYSTEM> It refers to the built-in SYSTEM account of Windows (start Task Manager and click "show processes from all users").
16:35:37 <Pyromaniac> So your username is borrowed from a website and a SYSTEM account? What made you come up with that?
16:35:52 * Pyromaniac tries to say this without being rude
16:36:06 <TPFC-SYSTEM> :D
16:37:08 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I personally think that SYSTEM is a great nickname (that's the nick I use at TPFC and MSFN).
16:37:44 <TPFC-SYSTEM> But I agree that the prefix makes my nick at freenode too long and complex. :(
16:38:10 <TPFC-SYSTEM> And ten uppercase letters = bad...
16:38:21 <Pyromaniac> :)
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17:17:02 <GizmoBot> ptmb knows a lot about HTML+CSS, besides that, he is just a lunatic...
17:34:45 <george2> Does anyone know if pchat works on linux, without wine? I was hoping ZachThibeau would be here.
17:37:14 <Pyromaniac> I'm 99.999% sure that it won't without wine, but let me see here...
17:38:34 <george2> Bummer. It says it's based off of xchat, which does linux, so I was hoping it would.
17:39:15 <Pyromaniac> your talking about the local installation, right? The portable version is windows-only
17:39:25 <george2> Yeah, I know.
17:39:33 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://code.google.com/p/pchat-irc/
17:40:07 <TPFC-SYSTEM> It seems like it works on Linux.
17:40:17 <george2> Nice. Says it works on Linux
17:41:10 <Pyromaniac> yeah, as does the homepage when you click "learn more about PChat"
17:42:00 <george2> Where is that? I looked at pchat-irc.com or wherever, but it looked like the site was mostly not there yet. I couldn't find any info
17:42:38 <Pyromaniac> yeah, it's a big site... it's at the bottom of the picture
17:43:07 * Pyromaniac detests big fancy sites to good for his computer.
17:43:15 <Pyromaniac> *too
17:44:29 <Pyromaniac> I can't understand why people put so much stuff on their sites. Makes me never want to visit them again
17:44:33 <george2> I don't see a "learn more" link
17:45:17 <Pyromaniac> on the PChat Portable homepage on PA.c, right after the "features" paragraph
17:45:35 <george2> Oh... I thought you meant at pchat-irc.com.
17:45:48 <Pyromaniac> no, that link just takes you there
17:46:00 <Pyromaniac> :P
17:46:11 <george2> ?
17:46:17 <george2> I'm confused...
17:46:42 <Pyromaniac> go back to the pchat-irc.com page
17:47:15 <Pyromaniac> and in the first sentence of the first paragraph, it says "PChat is for both linux and windows"
17:47:18 <george2> Oh, I see it. "...is an IRC chat program for both Linux and Windows."
17:47:25 <george2> How did I miss that?
17:47:51 <Pyromaniac> IDK. I miss a lot of things a lot of times. I don't blame you :P
17:48:24 <Pyromaniac> That's why I suck at baseball ;)
17:49:07 <george2> Oh, it's GTK. :(
17:49:35 <george2> That means I have to wait until I get PCLOS back installed.
17:50:26 <Pyromaniac> :(
17:50:31 <george2> My current distro is qt-only.
17:52:14 <Pyromaniac> Which is it?
17:52:40 <george2> :) Chakra. http://chakra-project.org/
17:53:44 <george2> For some reason, no one has ever heard of it. :)
17:54:11 <Pyromaniac> It looks pretty neat
17:54:41 <george2> It's nice. Arch+KDE. Really small repos though.
17:55:25 <Pyromaniac> I'll try it on my new computer I'm hopefully getting tomorrow
17:55:55 <george2> The chakra installer is neat. Have fun
17:56:25 <Pyromaniac> Its an ugly name though... Chakra... makes thing of cockroaches
17:56:38 <Pyromaniac> Cucaracha, in spanish
17:56:51 <george2> What? Chakra, as in your seven chakras.
17:57:41 <Pyromaniac> ah... (from google): Each of the centers of spiritual power in the human body, usually considered to be seven in number.
17:57:47 <george2> Really the name is just CH RA for arch, K for kde, and A for I can't remember what.
17:57:51 <george2> Yeah
17:58:15 <Pyromaniac> Never heard of that word before
17:58:36 <Pyromaniac> guess i learned something new :D
17:58:37 <george2> None of the chakra devs Knew what chakras were either. :)
17:59:07 <Pyromaniac> how did you find out about it?
17:59:17 <Pyromaniac> the distro-not word
17:59:18 <george2> The distro, or the word?
17:59:28 <george2> Yoga
17:59:28 <Pyromaniac> ^
17:59:37 <benedikt93> george2, IIRC PChat was cross platform, then for some reason this broke and is currently being worked on
17:59:56 <george2> Ok benedikt93, thanks for the info.
18:00:44 <george2> Pyromaniac: Did you see my answer?
18:00:56 <Pyromaniac> Yoga, yeah
18:01:03 <george2> Ok
18:01:09 <Pyromaniac> I didn't know if you'd continue
18:02:00 <george2> Continue? I'm not some yoga nut or buddhist or something. My librarian/music teacher/yoga teacher talks about stuff like that.
18:02:09 <george2> ;)
18:03:11 <george2> Hey, I actually spelled that right.
18:04:14 <george2> ...at least I think chakras are a buddhist thing. Not really sure, I guess. Maybe its hindu.
18:04:37 <Pyromaniac> oh, I thought it was just some yoga session and some one saw a roach and actually said "Chakra-roach" and ya'll started talking about the Chakra stuff and someone mentioned it was a distro and you were like "what?" googled it, and found out
18:04:50 <Pyromaniac> ...or something like that
18:05:21 <george2> No, actually I stumbled upon the distro by accident when it came up on Freshmeat. I get the freshmeat rss feed.
18:05:58 <george2> And I duckduckgo, not google. :P
18:07:39 * Pyromaniac doesn't like duckduckgo
18:07:46 <benedikt93> To any forum admin: http://portableapps.com/node/28534 looks a lot like spam to me...
18:07:46 <george2> Why?
18:09:41 <Pyromaniac> benedikt93 I think that Marquias guy is the same at the OP
18:10:07 <Pyromaniac> george2: I'm a google fan
18:10:31 <benedikt93> that's what I thought, too ( at least they're both from this poker site)
18:10:48 <george2> Google has become too Big Brother-y for me. I used to like them.
18:11:49 <Pyromaniac> with more power comes more features
18:12:27 <george2> And more ugliness. Have you noticed the new look? I didn't even like it when they changed to the new flat logo last year.
18:12:29 <Pyromaniac> The only thing I haven't like so far, is making google instant the default search method for all supported browsers, and you can't change it >_<
18:12:44 <george2> Huh?
18:12:59 <george2> Can't you just click on "no instant" or something?
18:13:28 <Pyromaniac> Nope. I've scoured their website for a way to turn it off. It pisses me off so much
18:13:41 <Pyromaniac> pardon my french
18:13:57 <george2> Google thinks our internet is too slow, so I never get instant anyway.
18:14:12 <Pyromaniac> But I have chrome, I just use the nav bar for search every time
18:14:37 <Pyromaniac> Google doesn't know my computer is too slow and can't handle it >_<
18:14:42 <george2> Yeah, I use Chromium. I have the default search set to a severely customized ddg
18:15:22 <Pyromaniac> referring to that other comment long ago... I like the flat stuff now
18:15:31 <george2> Oh.
18:16:13 <Pyromaniac> The new movement in advertising and businesses and stuff has used flatness in almost everything. I just sorta got used to it--like the lowercase stuff
18:16:52 <george2> I like the flat PAM themes, but Google's stuff just looks ugly to me.
18:17:12 <george2> I guess somebody must like it though, or they wouldn't have it.
18:17:44 <Pyromaniac> Majority rules the world. They gotta make money, as with all businesses, and appeal to the majority
18:18:25 <Pyromaniac> To be honest, I don't have a problem with duck duck go
18:18:31 <george2> The majority doesn't even notice that there's been a change. When I say to people "How do you like Google's new look?" they say "What new look?"
18:18:48 <Pyromaniac> lol
18:19:32 * Pyromaniac is unsure what to reply to...
18:19:56 <george2> :)
18:19:58 <Pyromaniac> I just don't really search with anything other than google.
18:20:57 <george2> I still use google for some searches, because ddg isn't perfect, but its very programmer-oriented, and that's usually what I'm looking for.
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18:21:15 <Pyromaniac> how about bing?
18:21:24 <george2> Absolutely not.
18:21:32 <Pyromaniac> When bing came out, I tried it, like gum, liked the different approach, then spit it out and ran back to google ;)
18:21:51 <Pyromaniac> how about start.portableapps.com, the world's best search engine
18:22:10 <george2> A microsoft search engine? I already am tied to their OS for more than I want.
18:22:21 <george2> Err... isn't that google?
18:22:33 <Pyromaniac> it is, lol
18:22:49 <Pyromaniac> I don't use it though, because the red gets annoying
18:23:05 <Pyromaniac> Are you a linux fan?
18:23:10 <george2> Yes
18:23:25 <Pyromaniac> do you say NO! to macs, right?
18:23:36 <george2> Of course. :)
18:23:45 <Pyromaniac> good. :D
18:24:05 <Pyromaniac> I'm neutral towards linux. But I'm a Windows fan
18:24:18 <george2> Why would I use something from a company that sells their cheapest computer for $999?
18:24:39 <Pyromaniac> My friend gave me a good reason:
18:25:11 <Pyromaniac> If it breaks, you take it to the Apple geniuses, and they give you a brand spakin new one almost every time, if they can't fix it, for free
18:25:57 <george2> Uh huh. I've met some "Apple geniuses." They're all totally brainwashed.
18:26:19 <Pyromaniac> for a free computer, I'm fine with that...
18:26:29 <Pyromaniac> One of my teachers a coupla years ago bought a MacBook air and put Win7 on it
18:26:44 <george2> It's only free after you buy it for >=$999.
18:27:25 <george2> Why would you buy the most expensive computer ever, and then get rid of the only thing that makes it unique?
18:27:35 <george2> Why not just get a $400 pc?
18:27:43 <Pyromaniac> My point is, though, no problems after you buy it. Unlike windows which people are always complaining about viruses and stuff
18:27:53 <Pyromaniac> exactly, that's what I told my friend
18:28:01 <Pyromaniac> and what I told you, he told me
18:28:14 <george2> Yeah, but I'm the person people complain about viruses too.
18:28:22 <george2> *to
18:28:39 <Pyromaniac> you got it right the first time ;)
18:28:43 <Pyromaniac> I've personally never (unintentionally) got a virus
18:28:48 <george2> Darnit :(
18:29:10 <george2> No, I've never got a virus either. I did download a SpyEye sample once. :)
18:29:36 <george2> ...the malware part, not the crimeware toolkit.
18:29:50 <Pyromaniac> ah
18:29:53 <Pyromaniac> As long as you stay away from naught websites, you'll be safe, at least in my opinion. It's just the greater public that isn't that bright.
18:29:59 <Pyromaniac> *naughty
18:30:03 <george2> Evidently.
18:30:25 <Pyromaniac> That's why I think Linux won't take off in our lifetimes
18:30:50 <george2> Why? Because nobody makes malware for it, so it's safer than a Mac?
18:31:10 <Pyromaniac> No, it *won't* take off
18:31:21 <Pyromaniac> people don't know how to use it
18:31:23 <george2> Yeah, I was being sarcastic. :P
18:31:49 <george2> People don't know how to use Windows either.
18:32:13 <george2> Personally, I hate Ubuntu, but I fail to see how there is anything hard about it.
18:32:23 <Pyromaniac> But you pay for it, so people think it's good--you pay more for macs and people think its better--especially because there are no viruses
18:32:39 <Pyromaniac> you tell people about linux, and that it's free, they'll blow you off
18:32:54 <Pyromaniac> Ubuntu is awesome, yo
18:33:16 <Pyromaniac> That, and Puppy are my favorite linux distros
18:34:15 <Pyromaniac> And maybe cockroach, if it's as good as it is promising
18:34:21 <Pyromaniac> :P
18:34:51 <george2> Puppy is a good rescue distro, but Ubuntu just sux. I like Debian, but Ubuntu has ruined it.
18:35:04 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Windows is preinstalled in nearly all computers, and people are too lazy to install another OS. Simple.
18:35:19 <george2> That's why I use strange distros no one has ever heard of before, like PCLOS and CHAKRA.
18:35:34 <Pyromaniac> Nor do people know what linux is
18:35:51 <george2> Yeah, I know. How much money does Dell get from MS, i wonder?
18:36:06 <Pyromaniac> I think it's vice versa
18:36:28 <Pyromaniac> MS gets rich offa dell
18:36:31 <george2> Dell gives Microsoft money to sell only Microsoft products?
18:36:39 <Pyromaniac> yeah.
18:36:49 <george2> Doesn't really make sense.
18:37:08 <Pyromaniac> Microsoft licenses it's operating system to manufacturers and get rich off of royalties
18:37:22 <Pyromaniac> Compatability
18:37:43 <george2> Dell is starting to sell Ubuntu pre-installed now too, but you have to really search for it, and it's only on their worst models.
18:37:59 <Pyromaniac> humpf
18:38:11 <Pyromaniac> Have you seen those chromebooks?
18:38:35 <george2> Not really. I'm not interested in a Google OS.
18:38:49 <Pyromaniac> ug. I think that's just a waste of money on google's part
18:38:52 <george2> And it's just Ubuntu with Google branding
18:39:04 <Pyromaniac> mmm... I don't think so
18:39:11 <Pyromaniac> there's a lot to it.
18:39:17 <george2> Last I heard, at least.
18:39:36 <Pyromaniac> For one, almost everything is going to be online
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18:39:51 <george2> Another reason to hate it. Stupid cloud.
18:40:03 <george2> Made for Facebookers.
18:40:12 <george2> And tweeters
18:40:20 <Pyromaniac> Some early testers were complaining that Google Docs don't work right offiline, so now google is making an offline version
18:40:31 <Pyromaniac> I think Facebook is a waste of time
18:40:38 <george2> Why? It can never be as good as LibreOffice
18:40:41 <Pyromaniac> And twitter is lame
18:40:57 <Pyromaniac> Because libreoffice will never go on Chromebook
18:41:40 <george2> I just can't understand why anyone would want people to know everything about them. It's like "Ok, I'm going to the grocery store now! Feel free to come rob my house!"
18:41:45 <Pyromaniac> it's all basically Google chrome in it's own environment... every window is a "tab" like in chrome
18:41:56 <george2> Weird.
18:42:14 <Pyromaniac> People get obsessed with facebook
18:42:15 <george2> I don't think I could stand that.
18:42:31 <Pyromaniac> me neither
18:42:37 <george2> I know. But why? What is the attraction?
18:43:14 <george2> Is it the fact that they sell all your information to advertisers What?
18:43:34 <Pyromaniac> I don't know. I made a facebook account because I liked this one girl at school. But then I found out through facebook over the summer that she was dating her best friend >_<
18:44:10 <Pyromaniac> Facebook was originally just for college students, and a little project by Zuckerberg
18:44:20 <Pyromaniac> I guess he wanted to make a little money
18:44:27 <george2> Guess so.
18:44:32 <Pyromaniac> then it grew to more people and more and more.
18:44:41 <george2> Another Steve Jobs/Bill Gates.
18:44:57 <Pyromaniac> I think it started with good intentions, but just became another marketting scandal
18:45:04 <george2> And now Google+ is booming too.
18:45:27 <Pyromaniac> meh. I think that's pointless
18:45:43 <Pyromaniac> I don't need another "Like" button
18:46:13 <Pyromaniac> A "-1" or "Hate" button would be nice to have though :D
18:46:15 <george2> "But all the parents are on Facebook, so now the kids have to move to Google+" is how I'm seeing it.
18:46:29 <george2> Yeah, that might tempt me to click on it. :)
18:47:05 <Pyromaniac> let me see...
18:47:09 <george2> I block facebook in my hosts file, and then redirect "like" button iframes to a page on my own server that says "NO LIKEY!"
18:47:18 * Pyromaniac has never explorered google+ really
18:47:32 <george2> Neither have I. Why would you?
18:48:09 <Pyromaniac> idk. I thought their social network was going to be called "Google Me"
18:48:29 <Pyromaniac> at least that's what they said in the press release
18:48:40 <Pyromaniac> *about a year ago
18:49:00 <TPFC-SYSTEM> If you use Adblock Plus, the Antisocial subscription may help: http://adversity.uk.to/
18:49:22 <Pyromaniac> On FF only, right?
18:49:37 <Pyromaniac> I have ABP for chrome, and it blocks absolutely nothing
18:50:15 * Pyromaniac requested an invitation to Google+
18:51:31 <Pyromaniac> ooo check this out: http://www.google.com/+/demo/
18:51:39 <george2> Again, why?
18:51:49 <Pyromaniac> It's different
18:51:54 <TPFC-SYSTEM> ABP is supposed to work on Chrome as well. No idea if it actually does, though.
18:51:56 <Pyromaniac> They got circles
18:52:39 <Pyromaniac> TPFC-SYSTEM I have to respectfully say hell no to anyone who told you that
18:52:43 <george2> TPFC-SYSTEM: I like that. I block everything from facebook to twitter to linkedin in my hosts file, but they probably have some I've missed.
18:53:22 <Pyromaniac> Google+ has got circles
18:53:41 <george2> Pyromaniac: "Subscribe to a Firefox Adblock Plus filter list:" On the ABP for chrome options page. I don't know if that works here, but i'm certainly going to try.
18:53:55 <george2> Who cares about circles?
18:54:10 <Pyromaniac> IDK. It's different though
18:54:29 <Pyromaniac> I was expecting something closer to Myspace
18:54:30 <george2> Different thatn Facebook, maybe, but it's not the first.
18:55:05 <george2> Myspace died out.
18:55:55 <Pyromaniac> yeah
18:56:11 <george2> The Adversity things seem to work great in chrome ABP
18:57:22 <george2> I still see the "addtoany" links on pa.c though.
18:57:48 <george2> Probably because the image is hosted on PA servers, i guess.
18:59:11 <Pyromaniac> Hey, you know that movie, the social network?
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18:59:31 <Pyromaniac> hiya marlop!
19:01:18 <marlop> hi Pyromaniac
19:01:34 <george2> Yeah?
19:01:49 * Pyromaniac forgot what he was gonna say
19:02:05 <george2> Sorry, I was doing something else.
19:02:18 <Pyromaniac> you should be
19:02:22 <george2> Stupid school issue.
19:02:22 <Pyromaniac> :P
19:02:24 <george2> :P
19:02:50 <Pyromaniac> high school is a waste of time after sophomore year
19:03:08 <Pyromaniac> I don't know what grade your in, though, but that's just for me
19:03:14 <george2> Well, if I want to get into college, I have to live through it.
19:03:32 <Pyromaniac> lol, I know how you feel
19:03:52 <george2> I'm finishing up whatever they call the thing before senior. I can never remember the names.
19:03:54 <Pyromaniac> Did you know the average American has only an 8th grade edumacation?
19:04:09 <Pyromaniac> junior. Me too!
19:04:22 <Pyromaniac> gonna be a senior august 10th
19:04:44 <george2> I don't know when I start next year. Homeschool, so we get to choose. :)
19:05:06 <george2> Probably after September
19:05:10 <Pyromaniac> online?
19:05:27 <george2> Partly. Partly correspondence.
19:05:47 <Pyromaniac> Is it that K-12 thing?
19:06:01 <george2> No. I do get to deal with stupid blackboard though.
19:06:17 <Pyromaniac> O_o
19:06:34 <Pyromaniac> We got SmartBoards at my school ;)
19:07:05 <george2> http://blackboard.com/
19:07:27 <george2> Everybody I've talked to hates it ^^
19:08:23 <george2> Ask OliverK
19:09:15 <Pyromaniac> why do you use it then?
19:09:31 <Pyromaniac> http://www.k12.com/
19:09:49 <Pyromaniac> They advertise that ^ on tv so much
19:11:03 <george2> Because I only have 1 year left. It'd be stupid to try to transfer all my credits now.
19:11:29 <Pyromaniac> Yeah, I see your point
19:12:29 <george2> And the HS I use is actually accepted by most things as a real school.
19:12:39 <george2> accredited, etc
19:16:06 <george2> Not sure if k12 is
19:17:04 <Pyromaniac> For all the advertising it does, I'm sure somebody has to credit it with something
19:17:36 <george2> Maybe. I have heard good reports of it.
19:18:12 <george2> How did this conversation go from "does pchat support linux" to highschools?
19:18:52 <Pyromaniac> I somewhere along the lines of "cockroaches" and "google", I think
19:19:08 <Pyromaniac> ;)
19:20:03 <george2> Not quite PA related, either. :)
19:22:15 <Pyromaniac> true... I wonder where TimClark is. He'd probably boot us off by now
19:22:25 <george2> Although, looking at the "last full status report," I guess PA is a little bit touchy subject right now.
19:22:59 <Pyromaniac> ya like my speech at the end? :P
19:22:59 <TPFC-SYSTEM> At least there was discussion. :) That's why people come to IRC in the first place.
19:23:44 <george2> Yep
19:23:57 * Pyromaniac likes playing with his Instantbird Portable :D
19:24:19 <george2> I didn't really look at that one. Is is a chat client or something?
19:24:53 <Pyromaniac> yeah. Feels like firefox.
19:25:06 <Pyromaniac> And you can chat like what I'm doing right now
19:25:33 <Pyromaniac> at least 10x better than trillian
19:25:47 <george2> I like qwebirc. :P
19:26:00 <george2> It's portable.
19:26:04 * Pyromaniac confesses this is his first IRC program he ever has actively used
19:26:22 <george2> qwebirc is the web interface.
19:26:33 <george2> webchat.freenode.net
19:27:14 <Pyromaniac> yeah. I used to use that before. But I didn't like IRC only
19:27:55 <george2> I don't use "AOL, Yahoo, MSN, Google Talk, Twitter, Facebook, XMPP... [or] ICQ."
19:28:09 <george2> I use email, and irc, and words.
19:29:23 <Pyromaniac> I use Google Talk through gmail, facebook and irc. I have accounts with AOL, Yahoo, and Twitter, but I've used them like twice
19:30:17 <george2> I don't have accounts, except when I have to. That means I have a few webmaster accounts, and a gmail forwarding address.
19:31:12 <Pyromaniac> I have 2 gmail accounts. One for spam, the other for my real stuff. All the other email accounts are forwarded to my main account
19:33:47 <george2> I'll probably get another gmail for honeypotting someday.
19:34:07 <george2> But I don't get spam
19:34:53 <Pyromaniac> I rarely got spam until I signed up for 000webhost hosting
19:35:02 <Pyromaniac> then everything got spammed
19:35:22 <Pyromaniac> absolutely horrible
19:37:08 <george2> I use arvixe. So far, I really like the service, and it's pretty cheap.
19:39:40 <george2> I used to use Microsoft Small Business web hosting, but I had so much trouble I just switched.
19:40:39 <Pyromaniac> My yearly technology budget is $0.00
19:41:11 <Pyromaniac> I can't afford anything but spam. I can get lots and lots of spam.
19:41:17 <Pyromaniac> :P
19:41:19 <george2> Ah. I got paid (against my will) about $500 from one of the groups I made a website for.
19:41:32 <george2> So all of that goes toward paying for their site
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19:42:52 <Thasmo> Is there an official maintainer for Portable Putty? There was a new version released recently. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
19:43:10 <george2> Putty Poratble, or PortaPuTTY?
19:43:41 <george2> Poratble? Man, I can't spell.
19:44:34 <george2> First PuTTY release in 4 years. That's pretty cool. I got the news this morning.
19:44:40 <Thasmo> ye
19:45:05 <Pyromaniac> John will probably update
19:45:05 <Thasmo> Was just wondering if PuTTY will be updated on pa.c
19:45:13 <Thasmo> ok, thanks :D
19:45:31 <Pyromaniac> Probably before sunday
19:45:38 <george2> Nice
19:45:47 <Pyromaniac> *probably*
19:46:00 <george2> I know, no dates. :)
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19:46:57 <Pyromaniac> I think it's be nice if John opened up the website development process to more people
19:47:16 <Pyromaniac> It seems like he's carrying quite a heavy load with him
19:47:23 <george2> I agree. Hopefully Drupal 7 will make that a little easier for him.
19:47:43 <Pyromaniac> hopefully
19:47:44 <george2> It has good user permissions stuff.
19:47:56 <Pyromaniac> so I've heard
19:48:39 <Pyromaniac> ha! the putty portable website still has the old image setup
19:48:46 <george2> Still got plenty of bugs though, imo. I hope it doesn't mess up the site.
19:48:56 <george2> What old image?
19:49:03 <Pyromaniac> the screenshot
19:49:17 <Pyromaniac> no fancy javascript
19:49:57 <george2> Javascript? You lost me.
19:50:44 <george2> Oh, the popup.
19:51:00 <Pyromaniac> yeah
19:51:07 <Pyromaniac> the installer is also old
19:51:45 <george2> I usually use PortaPuTTY, not Putty Portable.
19:52:01 <george2> I used PortaPuTTY long before I even knew pa.c existed.
19:52:12 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I use KiTTY: http://www.9bis.net/kitty/?page=Welcome&zone=en
19:52:29 <george2> Yeah, I have that one too. I made a PA-launcher for it.
19:53:13 <george2> Just for fun/practice
19:54:40 <george2> All the routers these days use stupid web interfaces instead of telnet/ssh access, so I don't really use PuTTY very much at all.
19:56:24 <george2> I never get to practice my Cisco IOS commands. :(
19:58:34 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I have access to two Linux shells.
19:58:53 <TPFC-SYSTEM> But like you, I need SSH clients very rarely.
19:58:53 <george2> Linux shells?
19:59:01 <george2> Like remote boxes, or what?
19:59:23 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Yes, remote boxes.
19:59:34 <george2> Ah. Headless?
20:00:19 <TPFC-SYSTEM> What do you mean by headless?
20:00:54 <george2> Just a server, with no ui
20:01:18 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Ah. Yes, they're both headless.
20:01:43 <george2> Neat.
20:02:03 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I keep KiTTY in my drive because it's just 400 kilobytes (and I have plenty of space anyway).
20:02:22 <george2> My webhost supports ssh access, but i haven't enabled it because I don't want yet another possible security hole.
20:02:57 <george2> I have KiTTY, PortaPuTTY, and PuTTY Portable all installed on my thumb, just because I can. :)
20:06:58 <george2> Pyromaniac: You did tinytasks, focuswriter, and frhed portable? Those are some of my favorite PA apps.
20:07:31 <Pyromaniac> yeah. great! I'm glad you liked them
20:07:42 <george2> Too bad about the IOBit software, though. :P
20:08:14 <george2> That company is just a little too evil for my tastes.
20:08:27 <Pyromaniac> yeah... I don't think they're as bad as many think, though
20:09:14 <george2> As much as I don't like people who sell software, I hate people who steal software from others even more.
20:10:35 <george2> Anyway, frhed is great for loading raw disk copies that are way too large for me to load in most hex editors.
20:11:29 <Pyromaniac> cool. I personally have absolutely no idea what to do with Frhed
20:11:41 <george2> xD
20:12:09 <Pyromaniac> http://portableapps.com/node/26055
20:12:12 <george2> I use dd to make backups of my disks, so I have lots of disk images sitting around.
20:12:22 <Pyromaniac> those are all my apps ^^^
20:12:31 <george2> And I'm interested in forensics, and you need a lot of hex editors for that.
20:12:37 <george2> Yeah, I was just on that page
20:12:53 <george2> That's where I saw that you had released those apps.
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20:13:17 <Pyromaniac> ah
20:13:43 <george2> I knew I had seen your name around the forums somewhere, but I couldn't remember where.
20:14:00 <Pyromaniac> There's also pyromaniac's request forum
20:14:11 <george2> What's that?
20:14:15 <Pyromaniac> and Pyromaniac turns to the dark side
20:14:27 <george2> ?
20:14:49 <george2> Hey, are you the one working on that proxy thingy?
20:15:04 <Pyromaniac> the former was supposed to be a place where people would ask me to make portable apps for them. But Chris didn't like it
20:15:08 <Pyromaniac> yeah :D
20:15:13 <george2> In ahk?
20:15:29 <Pyromaniac> the latter is a blogpost about how I became a fan of PAL
20:15:32 <Pyromaniac> yeah
20:15:50 <Pyromaniac> originally in NSIS, but I got frustrated because NSIS can't do hotkeys
20:16:19 <george2> Awesome. How are you doing it? An ahk proxy I could use as a filter would be great.
20:16:45 <Pyromaniac> so I'm rewriting everything from the top in ahk (even though I was almost done with the one in NSIS :( )
20:17:12 <george2> Ahk is a great language though. Much easier than NSIS.
20:17:15 <Pyromaniac> The main goal of the proxy app (dubbed frozenPlanet) will be to bypass web filters
20:17:34 <george2> Oh... oops. :)
20:17:43 <george2> I want to make one, not bypass one.
20:17:46 <Pyromaniac> yeah. A bit easier to to learn. NSIS was my very first language though.
20:18:24 <Pyromaniac> In 2.0 you'll be able to make one (I don't know how right now, but I intend to learn how to in the future)
20:19:20 <george2> I'd rather just write my own, but I couldn't figure out how to use ahk to do networking stuff. Do you use a lib, or dllcall, or what?
20:20:02 <Pyromaniac> Well, I took a regshot of UltraSurf (that one-click proxy, which also happens to be malware, but still works)
20:20:17 <Pyromaniac> And I saved it, and I looked at it.
20:20:44 <Pyromaniac> All I need to do is change a couple of settings in the registry to set IE's proxy
20:21:34 <george2> Yeah, but i thought you were making a proxy, not just a button to use a proxy?
20:22:22 <Pyromaniac> I thought I was too. Until I realized I didn't know how :P
20:22:34 <george2> Ah. :)
20:22:38 <Pyromaniac> I only started learning AHK about a month ago
20:22:53 <Pyromaniac> I'm adding a lot of extra features, including a server list manager which I'm kinda stuck on because there's not any good ping function anywhere that works well.
20:23:27 <george2> What about that "If website exists" function?
20:23:28 <Pyromaniac> (in case you saw the "preview PowerProxy" post
20:23:45 <Pyromaniac> Nope. I want a real Ping functionality
20:24:06 <Pyromaniac> So people can see real-time what the server closest to theirs is (or if it's down)
20:24:31 <Pyromaniac> Do you want to check out the really awesome GUI?
20:24:37 <george2> Oh, I see.
20:24:42 <george2> Sure. I suck at guis.
20:25:01 <Pyromaniac> I think I'm going to make a blog post on it
20:25:02 <george2> I like the backend work
20:25:25 * Pyromaniac is off to take some screenshots...
20:27:27 <george2> Well now I'm going to have to find out how to do proxy/network stuff in ahk. Maybe I can use libpcap...
20:28:38 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Pyromaniac: This may be useful: http://www.sockets.com/ms_icmp.htm
20:30:24 <george2> Yeah, you could use that with ahk's dllcall function.
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20:34:43 <george2> I'd like to eventually make a firewall/ids/ips that I can get to show me little bubbles when somebody's trying to do something to me. Pinging, portscanning, whatever.
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20:36:18 <george2> It may end up just being a Snort frontend, though, if I can't figure out how to do it myself.
20:42:14 <george2> And then I'd have to write it in C something, so it would work on Linux.
20:43:47 <Pyromaniac> but you have to know what to do in Linux.
20:44:16 <Pyromaniac> I mean, I can't make fP cross-platform because there is no registry in Mac/linux
20:44:38 <Pyromaniac> plus AHK is win-only
20:45:02 <george2> No, but Linux puts everything in Config files, so it wouldn't be that hard.
20:45:46 <george2> And AHK's windoze-only-ness is the one thing I can't stand about it. IronAHK is supposed to be able to make AHK work iin Linux, but it doesn't. :(
20:46:39 <george2> And Macs are just Linux with an ugly GUI.
20:46:59 <george2> ...that people nevertheless pay hundreds for.
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20:49:54 <george2> Once you get fp done in ahk, I might be able to port it to C or C++, if you want. It wouldn't have the same gui, but I could copy the functionality.
20:51:09 <george2> Linux people tend to prefer CLI over GUI a lot of the time anyway. :)
20:53:50 <Pyromaniac> CLI is ugly
20:54:07 <george2> ?
20:54:30 <george2> It's usually black and white, unless you tell it otherwise.
20:55:00 <sar3th> "fp"?
20:56:26 <george2> SomethinorotherstartswithanfProxy
20:56:31 <Pyromaniac> http://www.mediafire.com/i/?47eoec4kurv7lk5
20:56:52 <Pyromaniac> http://www.mediafire.com/i/?t9ju8eg95f8fqtb
20:57:08 <Pyromaniac> http://www.mediafire.com/i/?dixgwdawxhgr4sp
20:57:23 <Pyromaniac> http://www.mediafire.com/i/?z6dy6f7rzlm6r49
20:57:40 <Pyromaniac> http://www.mediafire.com/i/?vesl63slcl7cnbm
20:57:57 <Pyromaniac> I gotta go now, bbl
20:57:57 <george2> Nice
20:58:02 <sar3th> nice
20:58:03 <george2> Bye
20:58:11 <sar3th> does it work :D?
20:58:23 <Pyromaniac> no
20:59:27 <george2> "The frozenPlanet Development Team"? Would that be you?
21:00:33 <george2> WinXP looks funny. Been a long time since I used that.
21:02:18 <george2> And if you're doing IE reg key manipulation like changing the start page, that may not work for anyone who uses Spybot SD, as it protects those entries.
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22:23:54 <Pyromaniac> hi sar3th again
22:25:17 <Pyromaniac> what you saw, sar3th was just the GUI
22:25:35 <Pyromaniac> oh hey JohnTHaller
22:49:44 <Pyromaniac> http://portableapps.com/node/28536
22:50:02 <Pyromaniac> see that, sar3th ^
22:55:43 <kAlug> Pyromaniac: where I do sign as beta tester? ;)
22:56:28 <Pyromaniac> like, to test the app, or like an "advanced user" to help with development?
22:57:24 <Pyromaniac> The beta's going to everybody. I don't like the "request an invite" to betas that's become so popular now
22:57:54 <kAlug> any of them
22:58:07 <Pyromaniac> PM me your email
23:01:43 <kAlug> Pyromaniac: http://kalug.net/Contact (use any of them)
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23:01:59 * kAlug loves (Java|Coffee)Script
23:02:27 <Pyromaniac> which one do you check most?
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