IRC Log from 2011-07-19

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02:38:02 <GizmoBot> GordCaswell is the developer of Armagetron Advanced Portable, Evince Portable & ZSoft Uninstaller Portable
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05:46:30 <GordCaswell> Hola JohnTHaller!
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05:46:42 <JohnTHaller> hola
05:48:02 <GordCaswell> How goes it in NY? You're not getting the same heat wave we are in the midwest, are you?
05:55:15 <JohnTHaller> it's coming
05:58:45 <JohnTHaller> we're supposed to get it the rest of the week
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06:00:37 <GordCaswell> brace yourself - up here in the great white north, we're hitting 30 celsius (86) on a daily basis, at a minimum. the normal is 26 celsius (78.8)
06:01:30 <GordCaswell> I suppose it's relatively cool for you this time of year, eh, ChrisMorgan?
06:04:02 <ChrisMorgan> GordCaswell: it would be, if I were in Melbourne. At the moment it's fairly cool outside - only 31.
06:04:21 <ChrisMorgan> Plus high humidity.
06:04:46 <GordCaswell> that's cool? oh wait, you're in Asia still, right?
06:08:05 <ChrisMorgan> The weather report that Ubuntu is showing for Calcutta is "31.0 degreesC, feels like 43.0 degreesC". I quite disagree with its 43, but never mind.
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06:08:23 <GordCaswell> Although I'd love to keep discussing the global weather patterns :P I must get to bed - I have a 12hr shift coming up in only 6hrs. I hope things are progressing smoothly for you, John.
06:08:51 <JohnTHaller> Very productive day today
06:09:43 <GordCaswell> Humidity can do, that's for sure. I was feeling that here yesterday. Step out of my nice air-conditioned vehicle into the humidty and my shirt sticks to me instantly. Not pleasant. Better than -40, though
06:09:45 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: ready for releasing PAL 2.1.1?
06:09:58 <JohnTHaller> I think it's good, yeah. You try out the LO Portable launcher?
06:10:08 <GordCaswell> Glad to hear it. I'll keep an eye on the feeds. Night!
06:10:16 <ChrisMorgan> GordCaswell: yeah, I think I'd prefer 40 to -40. Though I'd prefer 5 to 40.
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06:11:17 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: I used the 2.1.1 beta for I think AkelPad. And it seems to work fine with the LO portable test launcher I posted, so I think we're good.
06:11:51 * Mir viciously glomps JohnTHaller
06:12:07 <ChrisMorgan> Good. I'll also be putting in the change for making live mode work properly as well which was discovered after RC1.
06:12:19 * Mir viciously glomps ChrisMorgan
06:12:24 <Mir> o/
06:12:28 <Mir> night
06:12:28 <ChrisMorgan> Mir: and why in particular?
06:12:34 <Mir> why not
06:12:41 <Mir> :D
06:13:03 <JohnTHaller> heh
06:13:25 <ChrisMorgan> Mir: shall I enumerate the reasons?
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06:23:00 <Oliver_> hi @ll
06:23:49 <Oliver_> o have problems installing skype portable... can anyone help
06:26:47 <Oliver_> during installation the download from skype doesnt work.... so the installation fails
06:27:01 <Oliver_> no firewall.. no proxy active
06:28:00 <JohnTHaller> Odd. Can you download the file directly? (hang on I'll link ya)
06:28:22 <JohnTHaller> http://download.skype.com/msi/SkypeSetup_5.3.0.120.msi
06:28:38 <Oliver_> i tried on skype.com.. i didnt find a portable file there...
06:28:58 <JohnTHaller> No, I mean that file I just linked you.
06:29:16 <Oliver_> just started the download
06:29:19 <JohnTHaller> It's the local installer piece that the Skype Portable installer downloads as part of the installation process. Don't run it directly.
06:29:33 <Oliver_> ok
06:29:59 <Oliver_> and how can i tell the installer to use this file?
06:30:12 <Oliver_> download finished..
06:30:30 <JohnTHaller> Just drop it in the same directory as the SkypePortable_5.3.0.120_online.paf.exe installer
06:30:42 <Oliver_> its already there...
06:30:51 <Oliver_> i try again..
06:31:56 <Oliver_> GREAT ! it runs through the install...
06:32:05 <Oliver_> thx !!!!
06:32:47 <JohnTHaller> You're welcome
06:37:05 <JohnTHaller> Alright, must sleep. Gnight all
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06:56:05 <Oliver_> i just started my working day...
06:56:13 <Oliver_> :)
06:56:17 <Oliver_> bye
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12:18:31 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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13:45:51 <JohnTHaller> I coulda used more sleep.
13:46:06 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: I hear you there
13:51:19 <Gizmokid2005> haha, ain't that the truth. Working 70 hours/week for the last 1.5 months is killing me.
14:49:42 <JohnTHaller> agdurrette: Are you going to update gPodder or do you want me to get it later this week?
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14:53:06 <george2> Hey ZachThibeau- I have some pchat questions for you.
14:54:21 <george2> I just want to know whether it does/will ever support Linux.
14:56:34 <JohnTHaller> george2: I believe the PChat 2 branch will be coming for Linux. It's not done yet, though.
14:56:47 <Gizmokid2005> anyone know of a clipboard viewer for windows?
14:56:56 <george2> Hi JohnTHaller. Ok, thanks for the info.
14:57:12 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/ditto_portable
14:57:21 <Gizmokid2005> I had a feeling we had one :) thanks JohnTHaller
14:57:48 <JohnTHaller> You guys like / for the find as you type key in the PA.c Menu like in Firefox?
14:58:13 <Gizmokid2005> apparently LibreOffice can't manage the clipboard well...It's been locking up upon pasting into/out of it...
14:58:19 <Gizmokid2005> so I have to restart it every 10 minutes
14:58:40 <Gizmokid2005> that would work JohnTHaller, I think. though really, just start typing should find it rather than looking for "/"
14:58:45 <Gizmokid2005> I don't think the average user will think about that.
14:58:47 <JohnTHaller> LO and OO.oo have really bad issues dealing with HTML content and converting it to showing in a document. If you paste as plain text it should work better.
14:58:55 <Gizmokid2005> well it's all plain text
14:59:00 <Gizmokid2005> which is what I don't get.
14:59:07 <Gizmokid2005> copying it from notepad or another document even.
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14:59:37 <JohnTHaller> Good point. I spose I can make it check for any normal characters as the first letter and then show the live search box.
14:59:48 <Gizmokid2005> that would be best IMO.
14:59:57 <Gizmokid2005> just like windows vista/7 start menu
15:00:27 <george2> Neat. I've always wished the PAM had a search feature.
15:00:43 <Gizmokid2005> well, time to run to lunch. back in ~1hr.
15:01:30 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Gizmokid2005: I haven't had any problems using clipboard with X-LibreOffice (and I think WPP doesn't do anything specific).
15:01:45 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Have you tried resetting the settings?
15:07:52 <george2> I never knew FF had a / "quick find" feature. I always just use Ctrl+F.
15:12:46 <george2> I'm looking forward to reading the status update later today. :) Sounds exciting.
15:13:48 <JohnTHaller> It will be :)
15:13:53 <JohnTHaller> Working on stuff for it now.
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15:15:53 <PoopTank> 0hai
15:16:51 * PoopTank is tired of waiting for status update :(
15:17:24 <PoopTank> ~@~
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15:17:48 <PoopTank> :@
15:22:00 <ZachThibeau> hey george2 sorry I wasn't responding, kind of prepairing to go to work at my day job, PChat currently 1.4 can be compiled on linux but at the moment we are working on distribution aka deb, rpm etc
15:23:22 <george2> Ok, thanks. I grabbed the git source and tried to compile, but it asked for glib, which I don't currently have, so I didn't know if it worked or not.
15:23:39 <ZachThibeau> PChat doesn't use git currently
15:23:52 <ZachThibeau> uses subversion at http://pchat-irc.googlecode.com
15:23:54 <george2> Oh. Well... where did I get that?
15:24:04 <george2> Oh, ok. That must've been it.
15:24:13 <ZachThibeau> most of my team prefers subversion
15:25:09 <ZachThibeau> but currently it can compile either from the codeblocks project file or the makefile that is in subversion currently
15:26:04 <PoopTank> What I'd like to see in PAC 2.0 is that monochrome iconset...
15:26:25 <ZachThibeau> it's not complete but it's getting there
15:26:52 <PoopTank> monochrome iconset from puppy linux
15:26:59 <PoopTank> I can't remember the name
15:27:28 <PoopTank> no-one is in #puppylinux, so I can't get it straight
15:28:13 <PoopTank> also, is Russian translation complete for 2.0?
15:29:20 <george2> Yeah, I just used the makefile.
15:29:32 <george2> But like I said, no glib, so I didn't get far.
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15:32:40 <ZachThibeau> .tell george2 chances are you are missing some key development libraries
15:32:40 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau: I'll pass that on when george2 is around.
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16:05:20 <george2> I know I'm missing "key development libraries"- glib. I'm running a QT-only distro at the moment, with no GTK dependencies.
16:08:08 <george2> I'll try compiling it on my other distro, once I get it back installed again.
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16:23:12 <Gizmokid2005> TPFC-SYSTEM: I'm going to have to check
16:23:18 <Gizmokid2005> I haven't changed any settings with LibreOffice
16:23:22 <Gizmokid2005> but it does fail on this miserably
16:23:29 <Gizmokid2005> I don't get it
16:24:11 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Me neither. :(
16:26:24 <Gizmokid2005> I suppose I'll backup my Data folder and see what happens.
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16:35:58 <george2> There hasn't been a Java 6u27 yet? That's kind of unusual. I got u26 months ago.
16:37:13 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Oracle is preparing Java 7.
16:37:15 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk7/
16:38:58 <george2> That'd be a change. It's been 6 for a while now, hasn't it?
16:40:20 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, backing up the data folder made it worse somehow...
16:40:23 <Gizmokid2005> yup
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16:40:25 <Gizmokid2005> it has george2
16:40:38 <TPFC-SYSTEM> george2: A lot longer than Sun Microsystems originally planned.
16:41:09 <TPFC-SYSTEM> In fact, Oracle decided last year to move some changes to Java 8 in order to get 7 released faster...
16:41:32 <george2> Hm
16:42:01 <george2> Could be interesting.
16:44:10 <george2> I wonder how soon after they put the first release out they'll have to push a security update. :)
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16:45:25 <Simeon> hi all
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16:46:35 <TPFC-SYSTEM> george2: Very soon, I guess... :D
16:46:38 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Hi Simeon
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16:49:03 <george2> Does John usually post stuff during the day, or late at night? I know the time is different over there on the east coast.
16:49:11 <Gizmokid2005> depends george2
16:49:13 <Gizmokid2005> he does it all hours
16:50:36 <george2> I can't wait to read the update, but I don't want to waste all day pressing F5 on the homepage. :)
16:51:48 <george2> Guess I'll just have to wait for the rss.
16:52:22 <TPFC-SYSTEM> george2: Maybe you colud use a "Reload Every" feature of some web browsers.
16:52:45 <TPFC-SYSTEM> At least Opera and the "Tab Mix Plus" extension of Firefox have such a feature.
16:53:57 <george2> I have a portableapps.com iframe on my intranet server that I have reload every X seconds, but I'd still have to sit there and watch it, when I should be working.
16:55:40 <george2> I've been waiting for months, you'd think I could wait a few extra minutes until i get the rss notification.
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17:02:00 <Simeon> I would rely on RSS and not reload the page too often. page load and such...
17:02:49 <Gizmokid2005> though TPFC-SYSTEM, even LibreOffice local install does the same thing to the clipboard.
17:03:51 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Gizmokid2005: Then I suspect your environment (OS settings, etc.)
17:04:00 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, I'm just not sure what though
17:04:08 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I run heavily tweaked Windows 7, though...
17:04:09 <Gizmokid2005> because I can copy/paste larger amounts of data with other apps and never have an issue
17:04:18 <Gizmokid2005> unless libreoffice is open
17:05:39 <Gizmokid2005> which sucks because I need to use libreoffice so that I can retain leading zeros in certain spreadsheets I work with.
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17:47:17 <Mir> ChrisMorgan: because only awesome people get glomped?
17:47:22 <Mir> ;)
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19:26:13 <Alcasar> Does anyone know why Firefox and Maxthon would work when Chrome and Iron don't?
19:26:30 <Alcasar> I'm on a public computer
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21:34:45 <george2> .seen pyromaniac
21:34:46 <GizmoBot> george2: I last saw pyromaniac at 2011-07-13 23:02:27 UTC on #portableapps
21:35:26 <george2> .tell pyromaniac If you need any help on fp, whether it's testing or whatever, let me know. I'm not half bad with ahk, either. ;)
21:35:26 <GizmoBot> george2: I'll pass that on when pyromaniac is around.
21:38:56 <george2> I hate time zones. I'm gonna have to wait until tomorrow to read the status update, and by then there'll be a bunch of nasty comments that I'll have to wade through.
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22:29:29 <pooptank> Hi. :(
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22:31:40 <PoopTank> It's 20th here already, and still no update! :@
22:31:54 <sar3th> what did you expect?
22:32:07 <sar3th> .t EDT
22:32:08 <GizmoBot> Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:32:07 EDT
22:32:15 <george2> ...like that.
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22:32:18 <sar3th> that's john's time
22:33:22 <PoopTank> :(
22:33:42 * PoopTank is mad
22:34:34 <PoopTank> To make God laugh, tell him your plans
22:35:34 <gluxon> PoopTank: Why are you mad? It's not the 20th yet in New York.
22:35:44 <PoopTank> Seriously... how long 'till update? 2 hours? 4? Or is it another bubble date?
22:36:39 <gluxon> PoopTank: Have you tried traveling into the future yet?
22:37:15 <PoopTank> That'll only be possible in 3044 or later
22:38:21 <PoopTank> Dec 21, 2012 - PortableApps Platform Beta 10, released 20 min 'till world ends, scoring a total of 3 downloads
22:38:23 <gluxon> Or just travel around space at the speed of light for a while.
22:38:59 <PoopTank> I said, light-speed or faster (AKA Warp) is something of 31st century
22:39:55 <gluxon> Well go light speed for a while and you'll reach the 31st century :)
22:40:21 <PoopTank> Space Warp is already known, we need to learn to use and accelerate it, maybe in combo with antimatter
22:42:09 <PoopTank> Under some conditions (though those are still unknown), a rotating object in space will flip every so often
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22:43:24 <PoopTank> Warp is known, we need to learn when it happens, learn creating it, and learn using it to gain speed
22:44:22 <gluxon> PoopTank: Just saying, there's a reason why the status thread is locked.
22:45:11 <george2> Going faster than light will make you go backwards in time, not forwards. At least according to Einstein.
22:46:19 <gluxon> george2: Correct, but going close to the speed of time will make you go into the future.
22:46:32 <PoopTank> FTL _is_ forwards, 'till you reach warp 10.1 where you pass the Big Boom (but your ship is probably not equipped to survive it)
22:46:34 <george2> Gotcha.
22:47:14 <gluxon> george2: Due to time dilatation, 10 years may have passed in your spaceship, but 100 on earth.
22:47:14 <PoopTank> Warp 10.1 actually makes you not go back, but go in a loop
22:48:34 <george2> ...
22:48:44 <PoopTank> Santa lives in a spaceship that takes him from December 26 to next year's December 13 (to collect gifts and carry them), LOL
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22:51:48 <PoopTank> And his spaceship was provided by aliens
22:52:40 <gluxon> PoopTank: Then how does he make presents so fast? :O
22:52:53 <gluxon> According to you, he has only 13 days.
22:52:56 <gluxon> :'(
22:53:08 * gluxon adds to the PoopTank
22:54:27 <PoopTank> yes 13 days. And he only sends gifts to 3 bests children in the world
22:55:38 <awircser> Hi
22:55:50 <awircser> how to update the flash player for FFP
22:56:01 <awircser> i've installed the new version on my windows
22:56:22 <awircser> i think there is few files to copy!
22:56:27 <PoopTank> You must update the LOCAL flash of the host, and update the FFP itself
22:56:42 <PoopTank> update, or reinstall from latest package
22:57:05 <awircser> That's what i did .. now how to make it up to date on my FFP
22:57:10 <awircser> ?
22:57:26 <gluxon> awircser: Copy it over.
22:57:33 <george2> FireFox Portable is portable- flash is not. It will use whatever flash is installled on the host system
22:57:51 <awircser> gluxon: What files to copy!
22:58:02 <awircser> i was told that there is specific files
22:58:08 <PoopTank> Uninstall your FFP and install latest package. I don't think there's anything critical in latest update
22:58:09 <awircser> and copied to a certain folder
22:58:30 <awircser> PoopTank: I'm talking about flash player
22:58:33 <gluxon> Everyone be quitet for a sec.
22:58:59 <PoopTank> Reinstall FFP to have the SWF from latest FFP, bet it's not too old
22:58:59 <gluxon> awircser: You have the latest flash on your system, right?
22:59:06 <awircser> yep
22:59:08 <awircser> just installed
22:59:33 <gluxon> awircser: Could you browse to "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\plugins\"?
22:59:44 <gluxon> You did install it for Firefox, right?
22:59:55 <gluxon> As in local firefox.
23:00:13 <awircser> now .. i installed the exe for windows
23:00:25 <awircser> i don't have a local firefox
23:00:33 <awircser> they force us to use bloody Opera
23:01:45 <gluxon> It could be in C:\Windows\system32..
23:02:05 <PoopTank> Is your Firefox latest?
23:02:16 <gluxon> You said you didn't have Mozilla Firefox installed locally, so it can't be in "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\plugins"
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23:02:41 <awircser> gluxon: yep
23:03:21 <awircser> i think that ZachThibeau once told me to get it from somewhere else
23:03:22 <gluxon> awircser: Do you have Firefox Portable with you?
23:03:27 <gluxon> Or a working copy of Firefox?
23:03:35 <awircser> yeah on it right now
23:03:41 <awircser> the current flash works
23:03:49 <awircser> but few sites told me it's out-dated
23:03:55 <gluxon> Browse to about:plugins
23:04:10 <awircser> ok
23:04:29 <awircser> 'm there
23:04:44 <gluxon> Are you able to find a "Shockwave Flash" entry?
23:04:49 <awircser> Version: 10.1.53.64
23:04:49 <awircser> Shockwave Flash 10.1 r53
23:05:00 <gluxon> Yeah, you're outdated.
23:05:06 <gluxon> I believe the latest flash version is 10.3
23:05:18 <awircser> yeah .. that's the one i just installed on the machine
23:05:40 <PoopTank> okay, do you have 7zip?
23:05:42 <gluxon> Have you restarted Firefox since then?
23:05:50 <awircser> right now
23:05:51 <gluxon> PoopTank: 7-Zip no longer works with the Flash installer
23:05:57 <awircser> i installed it before opeing pchat
23:06:06 <gluxon> awircser: Well, Firefox doesn't seem to be detecting your update
23:06:16 <awircser> and then open firefox when u tolde me to go to Version: 10.1.53.64
23:06:16 <awircser> Shockwave Flash 10.1 r53
23:06:24 <awircser> sorry .. about:plugins
23:06:56 <awircser> i did it manually when i updated to 10.1
23:07:03 <awircser> but my damn memory ... urgh
23:07:05 <gluxon> Is this Firefox Portable? Perhaps it's using your previous NPSWF32.dll from your Portable plugins folder?
23:07:42 <awircser> Yeah it's the portable
23:07:55 <PoopTank> To detect updates, may try reinstalling firefox ("uninstall" and install again if package is with you)
23:08:02 <gluxon> So, does it have NPSWF32.dll in [X]:\PortableApps\FirefoxPortable\Data\plugins?
23:08:21 <gluxon> PoopTank: He's using FirefoxPortable.
23:08:39 <gluxon> And a reinstall should not affect detection of updates.
23:08:43 <awircser> it's there
23:09:07 <PoopTank> close and reinstall FFP
23:09:21 <awircser> PoopTank: Dude!
23:09:36 <gluxon> Rename it to something else (ex: NPSWF32old.dll) and restart Firefox Portable.
23:09:43 <awircser> doing so
23:09:58 <gluxon> On second thought, remove it from Data\plugins.
23:10:18 <awircser> i renamed it and it's starting
23:10:37 <awircser> still there
23:10:57 <gluxon> What does the File: entry say?
23:11:05 <gluxon> Under Shockwave Flash?
23:11:12 <awircser> the same in about:plugins
23:11:22 <gluxon> And that is?
23:11:36 <awircser> Version: 10.1.53.64
23:11:36 <awircser> Shockwave Flash 10.1 r53
23:11:47 <PoopTank> not version, file variable
23:11:59 <gluxon> Yes, but under "Shockwave Flash" it should give a file location
23:12:11 <gluxon> It should be the first thing.
23:12:26 <awircser> wow
23:12:27 <awircser> FirefoxPortable\App\firefox\plugins\NPSWF32.dll
23:12:35 <awircser> it's the same and the file isn't even there
23:12:56 <gluxon> Wait, FirefoxPortable\App\firefox\plugins?
23:13:01 <gluxon> Delete it from there.
23:13:07 <awircser> hmm
23:13:09 <PoopTank> okay, put the file back to its old name, close firefox, rename "data" to "dataa" and create a new "data" folder
23:13:12 <gluxon> It should be in FirefoxPortable\Data\plugins
23:13:20 <gluxon> PoopTank: Uh.. no :-/
23:13:44 <gluxon> awircser: Go into FirefoxPortable\App\firefox\plugins
23:13:48 <gluxon> This is a new directory.
23:13:58 <gluxon> Different from Data\plugins
23:14:11 <gluxon> Remove it from there as well.
23:14:26 <gluxon> Optionally, back up the file to another folder.
23:14:47 <awircser> ok
23:15:42 <PoopTank> now open C:\Windows and search for the file
23:15:46 <gluxon> Make sure there is no NPSWF32.dll in either "FirefoxPortable\Data\plugins" or "FirefoxPortable\App\firefox\plugins"
23:16:12 <gluxon> Reply when you're done with that.
23:16:14 <awircser> WINDOWS\system32\Macromed\Flash\NPSWF32.dll
23:16:15 <awircser> Version: 10.3.181.34
23:16:15 <awircser> Shockwave Flash 10.3 r181
23:16:22 <awircser> THANKS gluxon
23:16:28 <gluxon> awircser: Okay, now just copy that file :)
23:16:40 <awircser> and put it in both locations?
23:16:48 <gluxon> Nope, just FirefoxPortable\Data\plugins
23:17:20 <PoopTank> copy it to firefoxportable\app\firefox\plugins. If it still seeks in wrong place, may want to nuke "data"
23:17:35 <gluxon> PoopTank: No. It should be in Data\plugins
23:17:53 <PoopTank> ffp\data\plugins
23:18:12 <PoopTank> ffp\data\plugins might need to be nuked
23:18:21 <PoopTank> or ffp\data
23:19:13 <gluxon> PoopTank: No. The issue was that Firefox Portable was still using 10.1 flash since it was in Data\plugins and App\Firefox\plugins. We just removed both those files so Firefox Portable would pick up the locally installed 10.3 flash.
23:19:35 <gluxon> Then report the file location to us so we could copy it into Data\plugins
23:20:31 <awircser> Thank you gluxon ... 10.1 was crashing like ice-bergs in the sun lately
23:20:38 <awircser> thanks for the help PoopTank
23:21:19 <george2> Do icebergs in the sun crash often?
23:22:25 <awircser> well, it melts .. but it do something weird every now and then xD
23:23:03 <gluxon> Yeah, like crash the Titanic :-/
23:23:04 <george2> :)
23:23:07 <george2> Just wondering.
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