IRC Log from 2011-09-04
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02:43:26 <griszka> hey, how can i back-up my portable apps?
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02:50:28 <griszka> ok, i found it on myself. its in the program... :-)
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03:17:46 <kAlug> Spams: http://portableapps.com/node/9909#comment-183078 , http://portableapps.com/node/19854#comment-122544 (possibly, it makes no sense anyway)
03:20:45 <gluxon> Why do we always have spam in the middle of the night >_<
03:21:16 <gluxon> The guchi bag jerk attacked us at like 4 AM.
03:22:44 <kAlug> .time mst
03:23:16 <kAlug> .wa time at Russia
03:24:04 <kAlug> Hmm. Phenny with external access disabled.
03:24:33 <kAlug> .time msk
03:24:44 <kAlug> .t
03:24:44 <GizmoBot> Sun, 04 Sep 2011 03:24:44 GMT
03:24:50 <kAlug> .t msk
03:24:50 <GizmoBot> Sun, 04 Sep 2011 06:24:50 MSK
03:30:51 <gluxon> kAlug: All phenny bots now have oblique disabled.
03:31:04 <gluxon> I would know :-/
03:32:43 <kAlug> Oblique? What do you mean? Also, http://inamidst.com/phenny/ still lists .wa, .g, .c, .ety, .gc, .title, .wik and .u.
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16:47:56 <kAlug> HAI gluxon!
16:48:13 <gluxon> ELLO kAlug! :)
16:53:04 <kAlug> gluxon: Can you please tell me if this is gramatically correct?
16:53:24 <kAlug> "The starting/stopping checks introduced in 2.1 were switched from using the RuntimeData INI file to using mutexes. This change allows system-wide blocking of apps in those phases, where the current one is installation-wide, i.e. it will not work if you run the same app from different directories."
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16:55:05 <gluxon> I would change "the RuntimeData INI file" to "a RuntimeData INI file", but otherwise, it sounds good :)
16:56:56 <kAlug> Each app does have only one RuntimeData.
16:57:51 <gluxon> I know, that's why changing it to from "the" to "a" would be better.
16:59:18 <kAlug> OK. Thank you!
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18:38:25 <pa_8792> hello
18:38:44 <pa_8792> is there any moderator available online ?
18:38:51 <pa_8792> or any other staff member ?
18:39:18 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Likely they all are idling.
18:39:37 <pa_8792> my matter is kinda not for support ...
18:39:43 <pa_8792> i wanna supply this site
18:39:43 <pa_8792> a picture
18:39:48 <pa_8792> of PortableApps running on Mac
18:39:50 <pa_8792> with Wine
18:41:23 <kAlug> pa_8792: Upload it to e.g. http://imgur.com/ . When a site admin goes online, we can contact it.
18:41:50 <pa_8792> here is a direct link
18:41:50 <pa_8792> http://pic.mk/images/myhackinto.png
18:42:18 <gluxon> pa_8792: Actually, a lot of us in here could supply that :-/
18:42:45 <pa_8792> well ok, i just wanted to help
18:42:46 <gluxon> It's not of much importance, since we already have a screenshot WINE on Ubuntu.
18:42:56 <gluxon> pa_8792: It's appreciated ;)
18:43:00 <pa_8792> cause there is not a screenshot of PortableApps on Mac
18:43:10 <pa_8792> no matter its running through wine
18:43:54 <pa_8792> anyway, i will be off now ... its a very cool thing that you created PortableApps.... many people (including me) are grateful
18:43:56 <gluxon> pa_8792: To add in, the screenshots need to be of the stable release. 2.0/Next is still in Pre-Release.
18:44:08 <kAlug> pa_8792: Doy you want to be credited by that screenshot?
18:44:12 <gluxon> pa_8792: Thanks for the offering :)
18:44:19 <pa_8792> well
18:44:23 <pa_8792> if you are gonna credit me
18:44:27 <pa_8792> write T!T@N as name
18:44:35 <kAlug> OK. Thanks.
18:44:50 <pa_8792> this is my mail t1t4n-v3n0m@hotmail.com ... if anything is needed
18:45:00 <kAlug> gluxon: Next is the recommended download.
18:45:00 <pa_8792> i am a programmer too, so i am thinking about contributing something to PortableApps
18:45:45 <gluxon> pa_8792: Really? What language? :D
18:46:06 <pa_8792> well ... i started coding in C++... but now i am doing something in C# and Java
18:46:17 <pa_8792> i also know VB6, VB.NET and a bit of Delphi and Assembler
18:46:21 <gluxon> kAlug: Even though Next is recommended, it's on an unofficial branch, making it screenshot unworthy :O
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18:46:45 <gluxon> Jk, 2.0/Next as it is is clearly ready for release :P
18:47:18 <T1T4N> well ... when i downloaded PortableApps platform, i just downloaded the latest... although it was beta
18:47:41 <T1T4N> i can download the stable one, and make a screenshot :) the applications i have added should still work
18:48:03 <kAlug> T1T4N: I don't think it's necessary.
18:48:12 <T1T4N> ok =)
18:48:28 <kAlug> Also, I don't think we have any screenshots of Next yet.
18:48:38 <gluxon> T1T4N: You could come back after 2.0/Next is official though.
18:48:52 <kAlug> gluxon: Ready? http://portableapps.com/node/28593
18:49:24 <gluxon> kAlug: Would you like me to post Mozilla Firefox 6.0's bugs?
18:49:36 <gluxon> :P
18:49:51 <T1T4N> yes, of course... i am visiting the site frequently :) when 2.0 is official i will download it, and come back on the live support chat
18:50:07 <kAlug> gluxon: I'm aware of the size of that list.
18:50:25 <gluxon> kAlug: All of them are relatively minor.
18:50:54 <kAlug> "Platform crashes after updating dozens of apps"
18:51:27 <gluxon> kAlug: Alright, you win :P
18:51:28 <kAlug> We should prioritize them.
18:52:07 <T1T4N> well in every code there are bugs ... the good thing is that they can be fixed, when they are found
18:54:27 <T1T4N> ok i gotta go now... when 2.0 is ready, i will return :) you have my mail, just in case, if something is needed
18:54:39 <T1T4N> good night :)
18:55:17 <kAlug> Gnight.
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18:56:05 <kAlug> Spam: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-09-02_-_gpodder_portable_2.18_released#comment-183085
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19:38:19 <kAlug> gluxon: What do you think of an app that includes a component with this license? http://www.un4seen.com/bass.html#license
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19:44:25 <gluxon> That doesn't really seem to apply to us.
19:46:15 <kAlug> "you are not making any money from your product (through sales, advertising, etc), then you can use BASS in it for free.". We have donations.
19:46:28 <kAlug> But then, there is "Please note that these licences only cover your own software, not the publishing of other's software."
19:47:11 <kAlug> So, would we need to purchase a license, or we are not bound by this license?
19:48:08 <gluxon> Not sure, I'm a bit confused by the second part.
19:49:08 <kAlug> Well, at least I'm sure that online installers will not have problems with this. I'll ask John to analyze it.
19:49:50 <gluxon> I'm guessing UMPlayer uses BASS?
19:51:07 <kAlug> Nope. QTranslate. For text-to-speech, I guess. BTW, I just released it.
19:52:40 <kAlug> The UMPlayer devs haven't replied to me yet: https://sourceforge.net/projects/umplayer/forums/forum/1086463/topic/4681858
19:54:19 <gluxon> Do you have a link to UMPlayer's trademark policy?
19:55:02 <gluxon> I can't seem to find it.
19:55:04 <kAlug> http://www.umplayer.com/faq/ . "May I use the UMPlayer logo?"
19:55:24 <kAlug> UPX takes care of "May I redistribute UMPlayer?".
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19:58:35 <gluxon> Looks like we can use the online installer for this.
19:59:38 <kAlug> I still need to include the icons in the installer. Would this fit in fair use?
20:00:55 <gluxon> Looks like a yes :D
20:01:06 <gluxon> This logo or a modified version may be used or modified by anyone to refer to the UMPlayer project, but does not indicate endorsement by the project or its creator
20:02:31 <kAlug> Yeah. It's the first open source app of the developer; I think he's a bit confused.
20:02:44 <gluxon> I would go ahead and post UMPlayer Portable with an online installer.
20:02:53 <kAlug> "you may freely use the UMPlayer logo using the following copyright notice with one notable exception"
20:07:55 <gluxon> That means we can use the UMPlayer logo in our installer, to refer to the original app.
20:08:48 <kAlug> Now I see: "you may not use the UMPlayer logo to **redistribute** the binary application outside its original packaging form"!
20:08:59 <gluxon> :)
20:10:54 <kAlug> Thanks. Now I need to find out which download is the generic version.
20:12:46 <kAlug> Does "RTM" reminds you of any processor?
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21:05:39 <GizmoBot> ptmb knows a lot about HTML+CSS, besides that, he is just a lunatic...
21:16:18 <kAlug|Away> Do someone knows how to specify an NSIS instruction at runtime, i.e. select one on a ${If}...${EndIf} block?
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21:44:58 <kAlug|Away> YEEAAAAHHHHHHHH!
21:45:16 <kAlug|Away> One less PAL 2.2. TODO!
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22:01:10 <kAlug> Weird... "*.??? incorrectly matching foo.xy on XP" not only matches, it doesn't show up in debug.log.
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