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01:18:58 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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02:34:30 <GordCaswell> JohnTHaller: How's it going?
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02:51:05 <JohnTHaller> hi GordCaswell. pretty good. how about you?
02:52:31 <GordCaswell> Not too bad. I've fixed up all outstanding issues reported by kAlug on Scribus, we should be good for release. I've also got wiki access for the Scribus documentation, so we can put up the information right on their pages as well.
03:01:56 <JohnTHaller> Cool
03:04:51 <JohnTHaller> Be nice to get that out officially and all.
03:08:10 <GordCaswell> Yeah, no kidding. I was amazed how may downloads it's been getting the last few days. DT6 got 92 downloads, and it was only up for 2 days!
03:10:04 <JohnTHaller> wait til it goes live :)
03:11:10 <GordCaswell> yeah, then i have to go to SF to see the downloads lol. BTW, there's been a little bit of interest recently on the scribus-users mailing list in this package, so I expect we'll get quite a few downloads from there, not to mention our normal channels
03:12:30 <GordCaswell> Have you taken a look at my boobinder package? It's probably got the simplest launcher.ini EVER!
03:13:25 <JohnTHaller> what's a boobinder?
03:13:36 <GordCaswell> Oh, and any thoughts on this: http://portableapps.com/node/22525#comment-188847 ?
03:13:38 <GordCaswell> heh
03:13:41 <GordCaswell> bookbinder
03:15:28 <JohnTHaller> It can't work that way. You're picking the options before you choose where to install to. So it can't determine the options you used last.
03:16:17 <GordCaswell> So it's normal, then?
03:17:08 <JohnTHaller> None of our installers do this. Never have. Never will.
03:17:22 <JohnTHaller> Why do you have the fonts as optional, btw?
03:17:28 <GordCaswell> K, I'm replying with a link to this information.
03:17:34 <JohnTHaller> I already replied :)
03:18:51 <GordCaswell> The base app has them as optional, and they take up, um *checks* 10MB, so lost for some people. I have them set as checked when installed silent, and I suspect most users will install that way, anyway.
03:18:58 <GordCaswell> *lots
03:22:14 <JohnTHaller> How big is the app overall?
03:23:20 <GordCaswell> 128MB
03:23:46 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... I could go either way on inclusion.
03:23:55 <GordCaswell> I know, 10MB at that point doesn't matter. IF you want to strip that part of the installer out, feel free
03:23:58 <JohnTHaller> BTW - Does Scribus work with the Platform's pottable fonts?
03:25:03 <GordCaswell> you bet. It's coded into the DefaultData
03:25:42 <JohnTHaller> Ah, so it checks that folder for fonts relatively by default?
03:26:26 <GordCaswell> Yep. well, relative to whatever absolute values got updated... PAL:Drive, etc.
03:27:03 <JohnTHaller> Cool. So what is the initial value to ensure it gets updated? Did you have the default settings include something like (((PATHTOTHING))) and then have it replaced on first run?
03:29:05 <GordCaswell> X:/PortableApps/PortableApps.com/Data/Fonts and the LastDrive is set to X: in ScribusPortableSettings
03:29:29 <JohnTHaller> ah ok
03:31:18 <JohnTHaller> Actually, instead of that, add in another replace op and have it initially set to (((INITIALPORTABLEAPPSDIR)))/PortableApps.com/Data/Fonts and then replace that with PAL:PortableAppsDir:ForwardSlash
03:31:55 <JohnTHaller> Then you don't need a default ScribusPortableSettings and it will work for folks who have installed the platform off the root.
03:33:12 <JohnTHaller> Actually, your way of a ScribusPortableSettings combined with this would work even better
03:33:54 <JohnTHaller> Just have X:/PortableApps/PortableApps.com/Data/Fonts in the default settings and then have the standard stuff in your ScribusPortableSettings
03:34:13 <GordCaswell> how it is now then, correct?
03:34:34 <GordCaswell> Note that the X: is also used for updating paths in another settings file
03:34:53 <JohnTHaller> You need a LastDirectory as well as PAL determines the last PortableApps directory from that.
03:35:14 <JohnTHaller> LastDirectory=\PortableApps\ScribusPortable would work fine.
03:36:01 <GordCaswell> Yep, it's already set that way as well :)
03:36:24 <JohnTHaller> Then it should work. Give it a try to a nonstandard install location and run it to see if it works :)
03:37:21 <GordCaswell> installing now. I'll let you know how it goes
03:40:42 <GordCaswell> Ok, I installed to Y:\ directly, and the font path is set correctly to Y:\PA\PA.c\Data\Fonts (full paths, of course)
03:42:07 <JohnTHaller> I mean try installing to Y:\portables\PortableApps and see if it sets it properly to Y:\portables\PortableApps\PA.c\Data\Fonts
03:42:55 <GordCaswell> ah...i'll have to check that instead.
03:47:44 <GordCaswell> Ok, looks like i need to add a FileWrite for the PortableAppsDir in one file. I'll fix that now, and upload
03:51:40 <JohnTHaller> cool
04:03:59 <GordCaswell> I think I've fixed it: I switched to a ConfigWrite of the correct XML text value. We'll see shortly if I'm right, and that deals with this properly
04:11:04 <GordCaswell> It works, the file is uploading to bitbucket. Once it's done, I'm off to hit the sack
04:12:27 <JohnTHaller> Nice. Thanks Gord
04:12:35 <JohnTHaller> Anything specific you want in the announcement tomorrow?
04:14:21 <GordCaswell> Nope, just the standard stuff is good.
04:14:41 <JohnTHaller> Ok. There was a reason we waited for 1.4 right? Portable changes?
04:15:10 <GordCaswell> It was the next stable version. the previous stable version was hopelessly out of date
04:15:31 <GordCaswell> and we don't do unstable releases, regardless of their actual stability
04:15:39 <GordCaswell> except for Audacity, that is.
04:16:21 <JohnTHaller> Yeah
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04:21:29 <vf2nsr> JohnTHaller: have you had a chance to look at the revisions to rednotebook?
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04:25:31 <GordCaswell> Well, i'm off for the night. later all!
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04:26:04 <vf2nsr> http://sourceforge.net/projects/vf2nsrtesting/files/RedNotebook%20Portable/RedNotebookPortable_1.2.0_Rev3.paf.exe/download
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04:44:05 <vf2nsr> sorry I poofed John
04:44:42 <JohnTHaller> no worries. I hadn't had time to look yet. I had a mostly done Rev 3 but just one bit that didn't handle an upgrade from Rev 2 to do still. I was busy on other apps.
04:46:12 <vf2nsr> I think I fixed all issues including the webkit one with icondatabase a as well as previous ones
04:46:30 <vf2nsr> NP no big hurry I guess no one is screaming for it
04:46:31 <JohnTHaller> ok cool
04:46:42 <JohnTHaller> It's sitting on my desktop to get it out this week
04:47:04 <vf2nsr> ok so going with your fixes? great
04:49:47 <vf2nsr> Been getting some request from Jarte author any chanc ethat can be eval for consideration?
04:50:31 <JohnTHaller> is it solid?
04:51:24 <vf2nsr> appears to be solid no complaints from users 100 downloads so far
04:52:49 <vf2nsr> http://portableapps.com/node/28570 only issue reported Chris said was acceptable
04:53:09 <JohnTHaller> ok, if he's keen on it we should get that out then. does he want to host it or should we? side note: he gonna promote it to his users?
04:54:45 <JohnTHaller> brb
05:05:53 <vf2nsr> I would say if we can host it for now then I can ask him
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06:34:25 <pa_7020> I would like to use portableapp on my ntfs flash drive on others Win Vista/7 computers. Please tell me the best way to do it.
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08:58:38 <pa_4939> Hi together, I need some help! I'm writing an web app that needs webkit. I want to make it offline available. For that I wood like to add the portable version of chrome to the installation package. Am I allowed to do so?
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14:34:46 <ZachThibeau> hola JohnTHaller
14:35:06 <JohnTHaller> hola
14:35:20 <Gizmokid2005> 'ello JohnTHaller
14:35:28 <JohnTHaller> hi Gizmokid2005
14:35:32 <JohnTHaller> how are you guys doing?
14:35:56 <Gizmokid2005> not any worse for the wear I suppose.
14:36:27 <Gizmokid2005> you?
14:36:55 <JohnTHaller> just got up a bit ago. working on LibreOffice to send to the document foundation folks
14:37:28 <Gizmokid2005> cool beans. new update?
14:37:55 <JohnTHaller> 3.4.5 just a version rev, nothing major new. they don't even have the release notes up for it yet
14:38:07 <Gizmokid2005> ahh
14:38:08 <Gizmokid2005> nice..
14:59:09 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: the issue with the quick find in the menu still exists.
15:00:05 <Gizmokid2005> it's more sporadic now. Sometimes it'll just skip the first letter keyed, other times it'll capitalize it, other times it'll put in some other character, such as a special character, etc.
15:02:15 <JohnTHaller> already a known bug
15:02:32 <JohnTHaller> the only actual fix is to have search always visible which requires a slight menu redesign
15:02:41 <Gizmokid2005> that seems a bit...odd
15:04:06 <JohnTHaller> no easy way to capture Unicode chars at the form level unfortunately
15:04:16 <JohnTHaller> combo keystrokes just throw the whole thing off
15:04:16 <Gizmokid2005> well I'm not even using unicode chars
15:04:22 <Gizmokid2005> and it's never been a combo keystrok
15:04:23 <Gizmokid2005> e
15:04:32 <Gizmokid2005> just a single lowcase typical keystroke that's triggered it.
15:04:42 <JohnTHaller> I know. like I said, known bug. Only way to fix everything including unicode is search box visible.
15:05:08 <JohnTHaller> or ditch and REQUIRE the user to type a / first
15:05:31 <Gizmokid2005> that sounds like a better fix from a UI standpoint.
15:05:43 <Gizmokid2005> allow a / or CTRL+F
15:06:36 <JohnTHaller> Users like being able to just type. So a better solution is to ape the Windows start menu and have search at the bottom in place of the drive space indicator and make the drive space indicate a simple slider on the right and much smaller.
15:07:07 <Gizmokid2005> if you do that, the search box should then conform to the current theme of the menu
15:07:19 <Gizmokid2005> even FF removed the FAYT functionality, long ago.
15:07:37 <JohnTHaller> I'm not gonna worry about that til 11.0, though. I'm going to just switch it back the way it was and add CTRL-F for 10.1.
15:07:56 <Gizmokid2005> or rather, they made it an option that is off by default.
15:09:33 <JohnTHaller> It breaks the modifiers on the documents, etc, too. So maybe / or CTRL-F is the way to go.
15:10:37 <Gizmokid2005> that's how I'd do it
15:10:50 <Gizmokid2005> from a UI/UX standpoint, that's the best way I think.
15:11:01 <JohnTHaller> Had to fix an appcompactor bug for libreoffice. fun fun. decided to add in excluding VC runtime for 2005 and 2008 by default, too
15:11:23 <Gizmokid2005> I haven't tried compacting anything in a long time
15:11:36 <Gizmokid2005> I really should try to migrate KVIrc and songbird to the new launcher...
15:11:54 <Gizmokid2005> I'm not looking forward to songbird though...
15:12:01 <Gizmokid2005> KVirc shouldn't be too bad. It needs work anyways.
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15:25:31 <GordCaswell> morning all
15:26:05 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Hi GordCaswell
15:27:11 <GordCaswell> I just fixed the directory deletion custom code issue Chris mentioned in Scribus Portable. NSIS is annoying!
15:27:52 <JohnTHaller> hola
15:28:05 <JohnTHaller> Once you know it, you know it, though
15:29:10 <GordCaswell> yeah. it IS fairly simple, just taking time to learn. I'll get there eventually. Now that that issue's fixed, we're good to go, though :)
15:30:33 <JohnTHaller> Cool
15:30:56 <JohnTHaller> I'll get started on releasing it right after I upload LibO for the document foundation folks.
15:31:17 <GordCaswell> Great :)
15:34:06 <GordCaswell> Just like kAlug, if you need help taking care of the backlog, I'd be happy to take on some of those apps, too
15:35:08 <JohnTHaller> thanks. i'll have a better handle on things this week. i'd like to offload some of the apps i update permanently. but don't want to impact your or kalug's too much.
15:36:36 <GordCaswell> So long as the base app doesn't get updated too frequently, I should be good to take on some
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17:17:14 <kAlug> hi JohnTHaller
17:17:18 <JohnTHaller> hola
17:17:57 <GordCaswell> hi kAlug
17:18:03 <kAlug> .seen ChrisMorgan
17:18:03 <GizmoBot> Sorry, I haven't seen chrismorgan around.
17:18:16 <kAlug> hi GordCaswell
17:18:44 <ZachThibeau> hi kAlug and GordCaswell
17:19:16 <GordCaswell> hi ZachThibeau
17:20:43 <kAlug> hello ZachThibeau
17:22:31 <TPFC-SYSTEM> How constructive discussion! :D
17:23:29 <kAlug> Well, it seems that everyone is active now.
17:23:55 <GordCaswell> indeed. This doesn't happen too often
17:28:22 <ZachThibeau> busy stripping the dependency of glib from the core of PChat
17:28:58 <GordCaswell> I'm busy going through the test release page, amrking apps as outdated. Long overdue.
17:30:37 <ZachThibeau> so far things are progressing nicely
17:30:49 <ZachThibeau> gslist functions where the biggest
17:31:58 <ZachThibeau> next is glibs translation functions which is based on libintl, so chances are I'll be just using libintl instead
17:32:32 <kAlug> GordCaswell: had time to test KiTTY?
17:33:47 <ZachThibeau> another thing I'm considering is moving some stuff related to settings from the core to the interface code basic reorganization of stuff pretty much
17:35:20 <GordCaswell> kAlug: I haven't really looked at it yet, but I'll take a look at it again
17:56:30 <kAlug> Is anyone here aware of some app that needs an UTF-16 launcher.ini?
17:56:43 <GordCaswell> not off hand
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20:39:21 <GordCaswell> JohnTHaller: are you following the SOPA thread?
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20:40:53 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. I'm just putting up a censored logo and a banner.
20:41:23 <GordCaswell> K. I found a javascript app that might please some people, but it's your site, after all :)
20:43:33 <JohnTHaller> If SOPA was still gonna pass I'd consider it. But it's shelved.
20:44:00 <GordCaswell> And it sounds like PIPA is on the way out, too
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20:44:22 <Gizmokid2005> it's shelved, but PIPA isn't still..and shelved still isn't gone.
20:44:27 <Gizmokid2005> it's better than being in the house...but.
20:44:45 <Gizmokid2005> I would do something on my sites, but they're not nearly big enough to matter...
20:55:03 <JohnTHaller> GordCaswell: How's this? http://portableapps.com/temp/ScribusPortable.jpg
20:55:48 <GordCaswell> Looks good. Does Scribus recognize it as the splash image?
20:57:53 <GordCaswell> BTW, i just got a reply back from Greenfish Software to PAF their GFIE Pro - so we'll have a free icon editor again!
20:58:56 <JohnTHaller> Nice
21:00:03 <JohnTHaller> Here's the page so far, working on the graphics now: http://portableapps.com/apps/office/scribus_portable
21:01:12 <GordCaswell> nice
21:02:10 <JohnTHaller> GordCaswell: I'm thinking we ditch the font choice. It's not a huge savings and that page ends up English only (the options do anyway)
21:02:30 <GordCaswell> Ok, fine with me.
21:03:41 <JohnTHaller> Woops. I forgot the lower right of the splash is where it shows status, so I can't put Scribus.net there. What do you think the chances are that they'd like to consider this an official release?
21:06:33 <GordCaswell> THey sounded pretty open to it when i first broached it...
21:07:03 <JohnTHaller> I wanted their URL there with ours, so I may do PortableApps.com & Scribus.net instead of PortableApps.com/ScribusPortable. Thoughts?
21:08:18 <GordCaswell> That would work. You've done that before when needed, right?
21:08:46 <JohnTHaller> I usually only do that on apps where we've worked with the devs themselves and they consider it their portable version.
21:09:14 <GordCaswell> Ah. I'm checking the mailing list now to see what they said when i first asked
21:10:25 <GordCaswell> quote: If you are willing to maintain this, please go ahead with our appreciation.
21:12:00 <JohnTHaller> I guess we'll go with & for now. Hopefully, they'll consider it semi-official :)
21:13:37 <GordCaswell> They should...I asked for wiki access fo rthe express purpose of adding a link to our package, and they granted it, so that's a good sign.
21:13:45 <JohnTHaller> True.
21:19:03 <JohnTHaller> Ok, final version is built and uploading to SF. The updated splash really works. The red and blue complement each other nicely
21:19:39 <GordCaswell> Great! Are you releasing Ghostscript as well?
21:20:21 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, packaging that now. Going to release them at the exact same time later today.
21:20:36 <JohnTHaller> Any suggestions on a screenshot?
21:21:05 <GordCaswell> KK. Would the twitter "Announcement" suffice for an email blurb to Scribus' mailing lists? Or should I write up something else for it?
21:22:31 <GordCaswell> For Ghostscript?
21:22:35 <JohnTHaller> You can write up something linking to our release announcement with some quotes from it.
21:22:37 <GordCaswell> or Scribus?
21:22:42 <GordCaswell> K.
21:24:13 <JohnTHaller> btw the appicon.ico you have. Where is that 256px version from? It looks much better than their standard icon (which is pretty bland)
21:24:38 <GordCaswell> It's from the wiki. I'll find the link
21:26:08 <GordCaswell> svg from here: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Promotion_material
21:26:37 <JohnTHaller> so why didn't they use that as their app icon?
21:26:41 <GordCaswell> I then saved it as png with inkscape, and scaled with the gimp
21:26:46 <GordCaswell> excellent question
21:27:10 <JohnTHaller> Maybe we can get them to use it for 1.4.1. We can prep it into an ICO they can just compile in.
21:27:39 <JohnTHaller> The old one looks a lil sad in the Win7 taskbar
21:28:16 <JohnTHaller> I'm tempted to hack it in right now, but I shall refrain :)
21:28:40 <GordCaswell> Yeah, they'd probably be happy for that. The problem, I suspect, is that the icon they have right now has a max size of 64x64
21:28:59 <JohnTHaller> It's not that. The colors are off so it just looks drab.
21:31:05 <GordCaswell> (Off-topic) How sad. I was just looking into Adobe Reader's distribution license, and it all looks good that we could get a license until i read this part: No Modification, No Reverse Engineering. Distributor shall not modify, adapt, translate, or create derivative works based upon the Software in any way, including without limitation, removal of the installer program
21:31:24 <GordCaswell> if it weren't for that clause, we could probably get a license
21:31:55 <GordCaswell> brb, gotta get my kids up from their nap
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21:35:32 <JohnTHaller> too bad
21:36:09 <JohnTHaller> see what I mean about the icon? (old bottom, new top) http://portableapps.com/temp/betterscribusicon.png
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21:42:44 <GordCaswell> Yeah, i see what you mean. I wonder if that's already listed in their bugtracker
21:43:35 <JohnTHaller> It doesn't even use the ICO within the Scribus.exe file. It uses the AppIcon.png and AppIcon2.png in the share icons folder.
21:51:35 <GordCaswell> it doesn't look like anyone's mentioned in the bugtracker, either, so we can file a bug report for it, an they'll quite possibly use the icon we give them
21:53:15 <JohnTHaller> Side Note on SOPA. I may go to this tomorrow: http://nytm.org/sos/
21:53:31 <Scriptdaemon> Do it.
21:53:55 <JohnTHaller> GordCaswell: Ok, I'll get together both those PNGs and an ICO with all sizes Windows uses to submit as a bug. It'll help Scribus look better on Windows. Everybody wins.
21:54:05 <GordCaswell> indeed
21:54:20 <JohnTHaller> GordCaswell: Not enough people know about Scribus or how powerful it is, so if we can help with this and the portable version, all the better.
21:54:29 <GordCaswell> Yeah, i say do it too.
21:54:41 <JohnTHaller> Scriptdaemon: I'd like to, but I need to work on bringing in some money. Things are... tight.
21:54:41 <GordCaswell> My thoughts exactly
21:55:02 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, understandable.
21:55:37 <GordCaswell> hmmYeah, money issues are not fun. I can only imagine the bills you're getting from the site
21:56:01 <JohnTHaller> GordCaswell: Think they'd consider switching to the Oxygen icons from the old Tango ones?
21:56:31 <JohnTHaller> GordCaswell: I'm thinking about doing a wikipedia-style fundraiser in the next week. I may ask for some community input on styling and what it should say.
21:57:24 <GordCaswell> Ok. I'll think of things and let you know
21:57:44 <Scriptdaemon> Have the CustomUSB drives helped much?
21:58:30 <JohnTHaller> Scriptdaemon: A bit. But it's not going to be a magic bullet. It's a bit specialized due to their cost and the fact that a $10 USB 2.0 drive is enough for most folks.
21:59:09 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah.
21:59:24 <Scriptdaemon> Really looking forward to getting some software affiliates.
21:59:32 <Scriptdaemon> I've asked a couple, but no go so far.
21:59:34 <JohnTHaller> We get around 2m absolute unique visitors a month. If all of em gave a bukc just once, we'd be all set.
22:01:05 <Scriptdaemon> Have you tried getting permission for the commercial version of IcoFX?
22:01:33 <JohnTHaller> Haven't approached em yet.
22:01:39 <JohnTHaller> They're on the list though.
22:01:57 <Scriptdaemon> That'd be nice. Just to get someone. I imagine once you get a few, more will be willing.
22:02:10 <JohnTHaller> Having the new app store online will help with that, too.
22:02:14 <GordCaswell> RE: scribus icons (in app): There's a contest that was running for someone to develop new ones: http://forums.scribus.net/index.php/topic,243.0.html
22:02:20 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, definitely.
22:46:43 <JohnTHaller> GordCaswell: so what do you think, stick with their current icons in the release or use the better one? it requires no alterations of EXEs, just replacing those two PNGs.
22:48:08 <GordCaswell> I'll let you know in a sec, I'm talking to Craig Bradney from Scribus right now
22:49:43 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok
22:50:14 <JohnTHaller> Show him this (our proposed better icon on top): http://portableapps.com/temp/betterscribusicon.png
22:53:56 <GordCaswell> Question from him: How's the crc check work? Does it verify all included files?
22:55:45 <JohnTHaller> We're only modifying the two appicon PNGs and the splash to add the 'portable' part. Our launcher self CRC checks (to ensure it isn't infected as you move PCs) and our installer self CRC checks as you install to ensure it is unaltered and fully downloaded.
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22:56:24 <kAlug> hello again
22:56:51 <JohnTHaller> hola
22:57:31 <Scriptdaemon> So, just wrote my first Python program.
22:57:52 <Scriptdaemon> Really wish I had been using Python as long as I've done other languages.
22:57:55 <Scriptdaemon> So nice.
22:58:27 <JohnTHaller> It's a nice language. But the apps based on the current Python version wind up pretty big due to requiring the Python runtimes
22:58:51 <Scriptdaemon> Current = 3.x?
22:59:00 <Scriptdaemon> We're using 2.7 in my AI class.
22:59:11 <GordCaswell> JohnTHaller: apparently the logo you used is actually an old logo, so I guess they don't want that one in. Just checking if there's an SVG we can use
23:00:40 <JohnTHaller> Weird. The new one seems much more muted than the old one. Or rather the one in the current release.
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23:01:01 <JohnTHaller> Try and get an SVG so we can at least build a solid version of it and center it vertically.
23:01:14 <GordCaswell> No kidding. I've asked for one, just waiting on a reply
23:04:47 <GordCaswell> He doesn't think there is an SVG available right now, so I guess we can just go with what's there now. We should probably switch to that logo for the appicons we use, as well
23:05:15 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I will. Is a 64px version the largest there is? That's gonna look bad upscaled to 128px on the site.
23:07:39 <JohnTHaller> Such a shame. The old icon is so much better. http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Scribus_Desktop_Icons
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23:10:41 <JohnTHaller> Actually, even the 64px version is a bad upscale. So 48px is the largest there is
23:11:01 <GordCaswell> Yeah, does look much better. And 64x64 looks like the biggest size I can find. Checking the source files right now
23:13:15 <Tom_223> Can anyone tell me why I'm getting "Error opening file for writing: G:\PortableApps\.nomedia" when I try to install the Portable apps platform 10.0. I've already tried running as administrator and I still get the issue.
23:13:44 <JohnTHaller> Weird antivirus interaction perhaps? What antivirus are you using?
23:14:49 <Tom_223> Avast and I doubt it Avast isn't giving me any sort of notification of blocking the application, which is ussually does.
23:15:18 <Tom_223> I'm even getting the error with the PortableAppsbackup.exe
23:15:25 <JohnTHaller> Have you tried temporarily disabling Avast (after fully scanning the PortableApps.com Platform installer with it, of course)?
23:15:46 <Tom_223> No, I'll try that
23:15:49 <JohnTHaller> Ah, in that case, there may be errors on your drive. Have you tried installing it locally as a test? Just to your Desktop directory is fine.
23:16:10 <JohnTHaller> Since it's not really 'installed' you can delete it as soon as you're done.
23:17:16 <Tom_223> Maybe be an error with the drive, it installed to my desktop fine
23:17:32 <JohnTHaller> Ok. How old is the drive? And is it formatted as FAT32 or NTFS?
23:18:01 <Tom_223> Fat32 that was the next thing I was gonna ask, does it have to be NTFS?
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23:18:39 <JohnTHaller> Nope. FAT32 is fine. NTFS can cause issues if it was formatted on a Windows XP machine. That's why I asked.
23:18:58 <Tom_223> Drives also not that old, maybe a little over a year
23:19:33 <JohnTHaller> Odd. Try scanning the drive for errors?
23:19:42 <Tom_223> Is it possible truecrypt might be causing it, cause the drive is encrypted
23:21:39 <Tom_223> And I did scan it for errors, there are none
23:21:45 <JohnTHaller> truecrypt can occasionally cause issues with all kinds of things. but I haven't seen this issue before. try scanning both the actual drive and the encrypted drive for errors.
23:22:55 <Tom_223> No errors
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23:23:38 <GordCaswell> JohnTHaller: I found another copy of the icon, this one goes up to 128: http://caswellaquatics.ca/files/images/Scribus.icns
23:24:55 <JohnTHaller> Ah. That'll work. I'll work that into the app so they look better.
23:25:31 <Tom_223> Found a work around, since it doesn't "install" per-se I just copied the files from the desktop to the drive and it works fine. Dunno why it wouldn't install, maybe look into it?
23:25:34 <GordCaswell> I wonder why it's integrated into the base app already...it's in the source files...
23:25:34 <JohnTHaller> Tom_223: Can you copy files into and out of the drive?
23:26:08 <JohnTHaller> Tom_223: The only thing I can think of is permissions. What OS are you running on now?
23:26:42 <Tom_223> Windows 7, I tried running it with administrative privalages but it still gave me the errors
23:28:56 <JohnTHaller> And is it a local install of TrueCrypt or are you running it in traveller mode? And both the drive itself and the virtual encrypted drive are FAT32 yes?
23:29:19 <Tom_223> Its a local install
23:29:39 <Tom_223> Yes they're both FAT32
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23:30:16 <JohnTHaller> Very odd. Haven't encountered any of that myself before. Have you installed the platform or any other apps to the drive before?
23:31:44 <Tom_223> Yeah, I had no problems installing the older platform or any of the apps
23:33:57 <JohnTHaller> Hmm.. the installer code isn't really any different. Were you using 1.6 before or one of the 2.0 betas or one of the Next releases?
23:34:24 <Tom_223> I honestly can't remember of the top of my head, give me a sec
23:34:51 <Tom_223> It was 1.6.1
23:35:22 <Tom_223> I'm thinking it might have been a corupted download, I've been having internet issues all day
23:36:36 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, but the installer has a built-in self check and is digitally signed. Windows should refuse to run it if corrupted. And even if that fails, it checks itself for errors before it runs.
23:36:48 <Tom_223> hmm
23:36:55 <JohnTHaller> Could you do me a favor and ensure you can run it and bring up the app store and install any app just to be sure it works?
23:37:07 <JohnTHaller> Don't want you stuck with it not working later
23:37:25 <Tom_223> Yup, already have, it works fine, just wouldn't install for some weird reason
23:38:18 <Tom_223> Managed to install some apps and change my settings, works like a charm, I like the now look
23:39:27 <JohnTHaller> Great, glad it's working. Keep an eye on it and please let us know if you encounter any other issues like that. Especially when the next update for the platform comes out in a few days.
23:40:47 <Tom_223> Ok cool, I'll be sure to let you know. Always liked portable apps, hate that my collages uses internet explorer, this allows me to use firefox
23:41:10 <Tom_223> I'm an IE hater lol
23:41:11 <JohnTHaller> Glad you like it :)
23:42:48 <Tom_223> I remember how I first found it too, back when the U3 platform came out, I liked the whole idea but hated having to pay for every app. So I ended up finding you wonderful people on google : )
23:43:46 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, U3 never quite went anywhere. Proprietary closed source everything with mostly paid stuff doesn't fly well.
23:44:52 <Tom_223> No it doesn't not only that it only work on certain drives, they had to have some sort of chip in them or something I guess and if you wanted to get rid of it you had to run a whole different program to do so
23:45:16 <JohnTHaller> Yup. It was a propriery drive that was eventually only supported by Sandisk.
23:45:30 <JohnTHaller> So you were tied to their drives from then on.
23:46:35 <Tom_223> Not really, I still have the thing but I uninstalled U3 from it, its only 1 gig so I never use it for much other then maybe encryption key's or something
23:48:01 <Tom_223> Its also bulky so it doesn't make many friends with other devices I have plugged in next to it :/
23:48:45 <JohnTHaller> If you wind up needing a new one, we have shiny new drives available: http://worldsbestflashdrive.com/
23:48:46 <JohnTHaller> :D
23:48:58 <Tom_223> lol got no money >.<
23:49:56 <Tom_223> I'm using my 4 gig SD card. Wanted to use my 8 gig iTouch but discovered that the Touch doesn't have disk mode like older ipods. Sad, vary sad
23:50:25 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, Apple ditched it so it's harder to copy your music off of it.
23:50:48 <JohnTHaller> At least they did at the time. Now I think it's to make hacking harder and prevent sideloading of stuff.
23:51:14 <Tom_223> lol really not hard to Jailbreak an ipod even with that
23:51:44 <Tom_223> I will keep your shiney new drives in mind, especially with support for USB 3.0 :D
23:52:26 <JohnTHaller> Cool. Check back whenever as we'll be launching new ones and new features over time.
23:53:01 <Tom_223> I prefer a flash drive anyway, windows won't let me partition an SD card :/
23:56:44 <Tom_223> Just food for thought here, but what do you think of the idea of running windows on mac computers?
23:58:38 <JohnTHaller> It works fine for most folks. I don't buy macs myself due to the huge price premium.