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13:12:26 <Gizmokid2005> though, we can talk in here :)
13:12:43 <JohnTHaller> sure :)
13:12:46 <ZachThibeau> hey John
13:12:49 <JohnTHaller> howdy
13:12:58 <Gizmokid2005> You just combined the songbird splash which is neat, and KVIrc is updating very shortly. I was thinking a combined splash would be good for them too. Is that something you would do, or I would ask them to do?
13:13:17 <JohnTHaller> Do you have a direct contact to their devs?
13:13:22 <Gizmokid2005> their splash is going to change each version too, so that's another reason I ask.
13:13:23 <Gizmokid2005> Yup.
13:14:24 <JohnTHaller> We can do a template around it and insert their updated one for each release without too much issue on our end. Ask them what they'd be happiest with. It's their app, we just want to make it shine (and be portable, of course).
13:14:48 <Gizmokid2005> haha, right. I wanted to get your thoughts on it before I dug into them about it.
13:15:23 <JohnTHaller> Is the splash for their new version already done? We could have a version to show them today so they could see exactly what we mean if they'
13:15:25 <JohnTHaller> d like.
13:15:26 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: this is the splash for the new version: http://img.gizmokid2005.com/upload/kvisplash.png
13:15:43 <Gizmokid2005> the only other caveat, is their splash has a loading bar in it.
13:15:51 <JohnTHaller> Cute. I'm guessing the bottom is the loading bar, yes?
13:15:56 <Gizmokid2005> yes
13:17:02 <JohnTHaller> I can do a full one and a subtler one (ala GIMP) for their approval in a few hours and send them your way. Or you can just ask them and point them to some examples.
13:17:03 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/gimp-splash.png
13:17:29 <JohnTHaller> GIMP and Songbird being subtle ones
13:17:52 <Gizmokid2005> as long as you'll be around here and there, I'll check with them and see what they think. Got a few other link examples I can send along?
13:19:08 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/SongbirdSplash.bmp
13:19:14 <JohnTHaller> the other subtle example.
13:20:45 <JohnTHaller> Here's an example with our URL bar included: http://portableapps.com/temp/StellariumPortable.png
13:21:08 <JohnTHaller> (the version number is inserted by the app and appears above the word Portable)
13:22:10 <Gizmokid2005> alrighty. I'll pass this along and see what they say. I mean, maybe we just do a template that's like songbird's is, but more detached? *shrugs* I'll ask and let you know :)
13:22:45 <JohnTHaller> If you want to wait until I have time to do a mockup, I'll have time in a few hours when I get back from the dr
13:29:45 <Gizmokid2005> I can send these and get an opinion and you can send me a mockup when you get time to get it done.
13:29:49 <Gizmokid2005> That would work I imagine.
13:31:42 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, cool. We could add in 'portable'
13:36:52 <Gizmokid2005> definitely sounds like a plan. I've sent off the email. Let me know what you come up with later and I'll let you know what I hear.
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13:52:08 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller|away: I was told to pass this along if it helps :) https://svn.kvirc.de/kvirc/export/6194/trunk/kvirc/data/pics/kvi_splash.xcf
13:52:23 <Gizmokid2005> Nice idea! Please remember that you can find the layered gimp version of the splash screen here: https://svn.kvirc.de/kvirc/export/6194/trunk/kvirc/data/pics/kvi_splash.xcf
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15:53:59 <CountZero> Greetings everyone.
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15:59:35 <pa_2424> So this site claims not supporting portable apps due to its illegality but points in the direction where "one can find" such applications - it is also illegal, it's saying where they can illegally obtain, steal.
16:00:12 <Gizmokid2005> pa_2424: what are you talking about?
16:00:17 <JohnTHaller|away> Not sure what you mean, pa_2424. We don't reference any sites where illegal apps can be obtained. Nor do we permit linking to or discussion of said sites.
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16:01:57 <Arkhmud> Hmm... wrong final char maybe?
16:02:37 <JohnTHaller> Note for others, he may be referencing either PortableAppZ (the site that only does illegal apps and abuses our trademark) which has decided to attempt to harass me by posting my personal details online in response to valid copyright takedown requests.
16:02:37 <Arkhmud> Spam: http://portableapps.com/node/32979
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16:03:44 <pa_9951> http://portableapps.com/node/20354 Office 2007/2010 portable don't work in windows 7 aviramof - August 14, 2009 - 12:59am i am currently using windows 7 and i don't like office official installed version it's like a cancer to the computer with all this msi files and etc so i'm using portable version but now it's stop working any chance someone here will do something about it in the near future?
16:03:45 <JohnTHaller> He could also be referencing a thread at Portable Freeware Collection involving LiberKey (caught stealing our software previously, C&Ded, revoked GPL) where my personal details were also posted for harassment purposes.
16:03:56 <pa_9951> So this site claims not supporting portable apps due to its illegality but points in the direction where "one can find" such applications - it is also illegal, it's saying where they can illegally obtain, steal.
16:04:48 <Arkhmud> "We don't support ThinApp at all. Unless you paid several thousand dollars for it, it's illegal, and also unless you've got Office 2007 Enterprise it's illegal to even bundle it in a ThinApp package for your own purposes, "
16:04:54 <Gizmokid2005> pa_9951: you still haven't said where it's being referenced to do illegal things...
16:05:05 <JohnTHaller> pa_9951: Someone asked for Office 2007/2010 portably. We noted that it's illegal and offered an alternative. Not sure what the issue is.
16:05:23 <pa_9951> Hum, hum....fool me I like it.
16:05:42 <pa_9951> Hum, hum....fool me, I like it.
16:05:47 <pa_9951> Bye.
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16:16:08 <JohnTHaller> Oh, side note for any wondering, SourceForge mirroring is fixed supposed to be fixed for us again shortly. So I'll be able to re-push Atomic Tanks and ConvertAll as well as get the releases for Audacity, VLC, KeePass, and Firefox Beta out.
16:16:57 <Arkhmud> JohnTHaller: Have you converted ConvertAll to PAL already?
16:18:24 <Gizmokid2005> yay JohnTHaller!
16:18:40 <Gizmokid2005> I'm going to lunch, but let me know when you get a mockup JohnTHaller. You saw my link to the xcf right?
16:19:21 <JohnTHaller> I got the xcf yay. That could help a bit. I can't be online too long, though. Got keep my still numb/bandaged toe up. And my laptop screen died, so it's desktop only.
16:20:01 <JohnTHaller> Anybody else find it ironic that a pirate is complaining about me enforcing copyright/trademark?
16:20:47 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: feel better soon :)
16:20:56 <Gizmokid2005> and yes, but irony is lost on me...working in support again does that to you
16:21:05 <JohnTHaller> thanks :)
16:21:52 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. A bit annoyed it spilled over into Portable Freeware Collection. Although not really surprised given the hostility of some of the members.
16:29:16 <JohnTHaller> Ok, SourceForge mirroring just fixed now. I can get to releases once I finish my next toe break.
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16:52:24 <GizmoBot> JWHough JW Hough (aka Pyromaniac) is a developer at PortableApps.com and has been a member for over 3 years. You can find his apps at http://portableapps.com/node/26055
16:52:50 <ZachThibeau> hey JWHough
16:52:56 <JWHough> Hi ZachThibeau
16:53:09 <JWHough> long time no chat
16:53:35 <ZachThibeau> indeed
16:54:26 <JWHough> I accidentally left my laptop at my cousins house in California, so I've had limited access to computers, really
16:54:57 <ZachThibeau> fun </sarcasm>
16:55:09 <JWHough> I know right?
16:55:12 <JWHough> But I'm gonna pick it up when I go back in a couple weeks
16:55:24 <JWHough> Hey JohnTHaller
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18:40:12 <JohnTHaller> Ok, now that the SourceForge mirror issue is fixed, ConvertAll and Atomic Tanks have been reposted on the front page and to within the updater database. App updates and new releases will now continue as scheduled. :)
18:42:13 <Arkhmud> JohnTHaller: May I post a translation request for Chromium Portable on the forums?
18:43:09 <JohnTHaller> Sure, whaddya need? Help with a particular language?
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18:44:39 <pa_7991> help
18:44:39 <GizmoBot> pa_7991: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
18:45:01 <JohnTHaller> how can we help you pa_7991?
18:45:25 <pa_7991> I have an old U3 flash drive that I want to replace with portable Thunderbird. How do i transfer the email to the new drive?
18:45:50 <JohnTHaller> Were you using the old Thunderbird for U3 app and want to convert it to Thunderbird Portable?
18:46:23 <pa_7991> Yes
18:46:38 <JohnTHaller> Ok. Is it going to reside on the same drive? Have you already installed Thunderbird Portable?
18:47:11 <pa_7991> I have a new drive that I want to load protable on and copy the history emails on to it as well
18:48:36 <JohnTHaller> Ok, was this the legitimate version of Thunderbird for U3 created by PortableApps.com, the old unsupported one created by Stealth (something), or the unlicensed one bundled on certain Memorex drives. It may be difficult to tell, so we may just have to try all 3 locations.
18:50:10 <pa_7991> It came with the Cruzer 4.0 GB drive already loaded so all I had to do was to set up the three email accounts I had
18:51:34 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok. We may need to try a couple places then. Just a second, please.
18:51:46 <JohnTHaller> Actually, how many U3 apps do you have installed?
18:52:27 <pa_7991> There are several that were pre-installed, but I only use the drive for email since I move around to many client offices
18:52:32 <JohnTHaller> Can you please check if this folder exists on your device? X:\System\Apps\FEFECB84-0E05-42d8-B044-F2D0FCFF8C15\Data\profile (where X is the drive letter of your drive)
18:53:04 <JohnTHaller> System is a hidden folder by default, so you may need to turn on show hidden files in Explorer if it's off.
18:54:31 <pa_7991> Yes, there is
18:55:19 <JohnTHaller> Ok, that's where your Thunderbird profile, including all your email, lives. Looks like they still included the Thunderbird for U3 we built for them.
18:55:30 <pa_7991> Great,
18:55:52 <pa_7991> Do I need to just copy that?
18:55:57 <JohnTHaller> 1) Install Thunderbird Portable on your new drive and run it once. Best to install it to ?:\PortableApps\ThunderbirdPortable
18:56:19 <JohnTHaller> 2) Explore to and delete the contents of ?:\PortableApps\ThunderbirdPortable\Data\profile but leave the folder there.
18:56:37 <JohnTHaller> 3) Copy the contents of X:\System\Apps\FEFECB84-0E05-42d8-B044-F2D0FCFF8C15\Data\profile to ?:\PortableApps\ThunderbirdPortable\Data\profile
18:57:19 <pa_7991> This should take a few minutes. I will let you know
18:57:34 <JohnTHaller> Some extensions may have issues in the process and need to redownload from Mozilla to realize they are compatible. There is a chance a couple other things may have issues. Don't fire it up until after fully copying and then ejecting the U3 drive first (that way it's not looking there for your email files, just to be sure)
18:58:32 <pa_7991> Okay, I will let you know. Thanks, by the way. Clif Hunt
18:58:53 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing, Clif. I can stick around if you'd like to ensure you don't run into any issues.
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19:00:18 <pa_7991> If I try to go to the download page, it wants to kill this connection. How do I do both?
19:00:47 <JohnTHaller> Oh, just open it in a new tab. Right-click on the link select new tab
19:02:50 <Arkhmud> JohnTHaller: The launcher has a few additional strings for some features (e.g. "ask for incognito on startup" and Portable Passwords). It's just a general translation request for these strings. I think they can be useful for the other Chrome-based apps too.
19:04:32 <JohnTHaller> Ah, yeah, that's cool. Are you going to prompt for incognito on every startup for some reason?
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19:05:40 <Simeon1> hi all
19:05:46 <Arkhmud> hi Simeon1
19:05:48 <JohnTHaller> hola. why the 1?
19:06:21 <Simeon1> need to reclaim my nick - havent been on the network for some time so maybe someone took it.
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19:07:30 <Simeon1> people still use U3 - nice :)
19:08:20 <Simeon1> http://portableapps.com/node/605
19:08:34 <Simeon1> sooooooo old, and such a low number!
19:08:44 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: What do you think? kvisplash-portableapps.png
19:08:58 <JohnTHaller> I mean: http://portableapps.com/temp/kvisplash-portableapps.png
19:09:58 <Simeon1> nice. the new icon isnt as intrusive as the old one - maybe even too unintrusive?
19:10:56 <JohnTHaller> We're working with the KVIrc devs on this, so we don't use our splash, just some subtle additions to theirs. It's supposed to be subtle as we're trying to help their app look its best while still letting users this is a repackaged version so we handle the support of the portable bits.
19:11:26 <Simeon1> ok
19:11:58 <Arkhmud> John: [Chromium Portable] It's user-configurable. I've saw some other implementation which had a similar setting, but it always started in incognito mode. This one asks the user.
19:12:45 <JohnTHaller> Since local Chromium, by default, doesn't ask the user, I don't think Chromium Portable, by default, should either. If the user turns it on with an INI settings, that's cool, of course.
19:13:03 <Arkhmud> That's what it does.
19:13:23 <JohnTHaller> So it doesn't ask by default... only if the user alters an INI setting?
19:13:56 <Gizmokid2005> aww hell JohnTHaller, that's SWEET!
19:14:07 <Arkhmud> Yep. Documented here: http://crportable.sourceforge.net/Docs/Settings
19:14:10 <Gizmokid2005> I'll send that to the list and see what they say.
19:14:44 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Think the PA.c logo in the upper right is a hair too subtle?
19:14:51 <JohnTHaller> Arkhmud: Cool :)
19:15:09 <Gizmokid2005> it did take me a bit to find it, but that's because I was instinctively looking towards the bottom
19:16:24 <JohnTHaller> heh
19:17:18 <Gizmokid2005> unless you think it needs to be more prominent, I'd say leave it.
19:18:01 <JohnTHaller> No, I think it's pretty good. I prefer to err on the side of a bit subtler if we can.
19:24:07 <Gizmokid2005> works for me. I'll let you know what i hear.
19:24:25 <Gizmokid2005> I haven't looked yet, did you just remove the songbirdportable splash and put this new one as the app splash?
19:24:30 <Gizmokid2005> or did you do it viceversa?
19:25:52 <JohnTHaller> Don't think I touched the songbird one from before
19:26:15 <Gizmokid2005> well, I mean since the first time you released it
19:26:21 <Gizmokid2005> when I was releasing I had 2 splashes
19:26:26 <JohnTHaller> Oh yeah. We used to have our own splash before their
19:27:07 <JohnTHaller> Figured it made more sense (and looked better) to do subtle additions to theirs as we have trademark permission and approval for our modifications anyway.
19:27:26 <Gizmokid2005> right. So did you disable the app's splash and only use that one as the launcher splash?
19:27:39 <JohnTHaller> Nope, that's the app splash, modded. The launcher has no splash.
19:27:46 <Gizmokid2005> cookio
19:27:49 <Gizmokid2005> *coolio
19:27:50 <Gizmokid2005> works for me.
19:27:53 <JohnTHaller> cookio!
19:28:34 <Gizmokid2005> hehe
19:28:40 <JohnTHaller> He's the dashing defender of children's snacks everywhere. Whenever a child's dessert is threatened, Cookio will be there!
19:28:42 <Gizmokid2005> Speaking of that, I AM kind of hungry...
19:30:20 <Arkhmud> JohnTHaller: may I PM you?
19:30:29 <JohnTHaller> Sure
19:30:37 <Simeon1> @JohnTHaller: Were you able to download AssaultCube?
19:31:04 <JohnTHaller> I was. Was thinking about holding off til I get partial updates running in the updater, though, since it's only a launcher/installer change, right?
19:31:12 <Simeon1> yes.
19:31:16 <Simeon1> good idea.
19:31:35 <Simeon1> i was feeling unhappy about the update too as its such a large one.
19:32:00 <JohnTHaller> Sauerbraten is waiting for the same reason.
19:32:38 <pa_7991> John, It works great. Thanks again for the help. Clif
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19:33:39 <JohnTHaller> Cool :)
19:33:44 <JohnTHaller> Missed 'im
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20:22:46 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: you going to be around this evening if KVIrc posts, to push this update?
20:24:00 <JohnTHaller> I will later. After around 9pm NYC time. We're filming a new episode of SNM tonight.
20:25:08 <Gizmokid2005> alright. Just a heads up, plan on KVIrc as a release tonight. The devs are still gathering initial feedback, but unless something major comes up, they're releasing. And I'll pass it along to you for us as well. Same day release :D
20:26:39 <Simeon1> @John: nice :)
20:27:48 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Nice, we like doing that.
20:28:00 <JohnTHaller> Simeon1: Thanks :) We're having a bit of fun with it.
20:28:24 <Gizmokid2005> I know :) That's why I wanted to keep you posted. They seem to enjoy the splash you created, so I'll save that off and make sure that works, disable the launcher splash and give it a once over
20:28:26 <Gizmokid2005> and send it off to you :)
20:28:45 <JohnTHaller> coolcoolcool
20:28:57 <JohnTHaller> Are they linking to us for the portable version, btw?
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20:33:08 <Simeon1> Its a good kind of fun if others can enjoy it too
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20:43:02 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: yup
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20:43:12 <JohnTHaller> cool
20:43:15 <Arkhmud> hi gluxon
20:43:29 <gluxon> Hey guys :)
20:43:30 <Gizmokid2005> also JohnTHaller, before I forget
20:43:46 <Gizmokid2005> ahh nm, I can do it :)
20:44:02 <JohnTHaller> hola gluxon
20:44:52 <Gizmokid2005> ahh, JohnTHaller is it my browswer or did Drupal break this page? http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/kvirc_portable
20:44:56 <Gizmokid2005> I see the header and icon twice...
20:46:03 <gluxon> I'm not seeing anything weird on my side. (Firefox 13, Linux)
20:46:05 <Gizmokid2005> it's in the code twice too, and I'm not sure which one I should leave for you
20:47:03 <JohnTHaller> fixed
20:47:26 <JohnTHaller> Pages had header duplicated when script ran to update to use CDN for images. Only shows up when you edit the page without removing the duplicate
20:47:34 <Gizmokid2005> ahh
20:47:39 <Gizmokid2005> thanks.
20:47:51 <Gizmokid2005> I wasn't sure if you wanted it as the CDN or not so I didn't change it. :)
20:48:25 <Gizmokid2005> I'll take a new screenshot for you too JohnTHaller for the page
20:48:32 <Gizmokid2005> there's a new default theme so :)
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21:29:57 <Simeon1> bye all
21:30:27 <JohnTHaller> later Simeon1
21:30:43 <JohnTHaller> I gotta head out, too. Social News Media Network taping.
21:30:50 <Simeon1> with my usual nick hopefully! :)
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22:13:46 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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22:14:08 <Arkhmud> hi ZachThibeau, Kiriko
22:14:21 <Kiriko> hi there! :)
22:14:33 * ZachThibeau never really left, just having wifi issues
22:14:57 <Kiriko> how is everyone?
22:17:48 <Kiriko> ZachThibeau: How is work on PChat 2.0 coming along?
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