IRC Log from 2012-08-22

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00:19:13 <AluisioASG> hey JohnTHaller!
00:19:19 <JohnTHaller> hola
00:20:02 <AluisioASG> It has been a long time you don't come here.
00:20:58 <JohnTHaller> Depends on the day. Often it's only when a dev pings me that something on IRC needs my attention.
00:21:55 <AluisioASG> Ah. BTW, I wanted to talk to you regarding PAL.
00:22:14 <JohnTHaller> Sure, what about?
00:24:45 <ZachThibeau> howdy John
00:24:51 <JohnTHaller> howdy
00:24:57 <ZachThibeau> how's things?
00:25:27 <JohnTHaller> Pretty good. Busy with a few projects. How about you?
00:25:45 <ZachThibeau> making plans for a big move to british columbia in 7 months time
00:26:11 <JohnTHaller> moving for work?
00:26:41 <ZachThibeau> that and I never been cross country in my life
00:27:09 <JohnTHaller> Have you visited yet?
00:27:20 <ZachThibeau> not yet
00:27:47 <ZachThibeau> but I do have friends and relatives that moved out there
00:28:04 <AluisioASG> ZachThibeau: 7 months? That's long-term planning.
00:28:31 <ZachThibeau> well considering that's spent saving for the move
00:28:32 <JohnTHaller> Make sure you visit before deciding.
00:29:56 <ZachThibeau> well short term it's staying with friends, they already told me that I could crash as long as I pay for the room but what it boils down to is that where I'm working now is an international company and they are looking for volunteers to go out west
00:30:59 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok
00:31:26 <ZachThibeau> and it's been a dream of mine to literally go across canada so I'm finally killing that bird with a boulder
00:32:24 <JohnTHaller> Indeed :)
00:32:48 <JohnTHaller> Oh, question for everybody: Have the issues with Mollom settled down at all?
00:33:20 <ZachThibeau> mollom as in the antispam module for drupal?
00:35:06 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I set it back up a few days ago.
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00:35:31 <ZachThibeau> haven't noticed anything lately
00:36:12 <AluisioASG> hey GordCaswell
00:36:15 <AluisioASG> JohnTHaller: Regarding PAL: development on it is pratically stalled (particulary, I'm still waiting for 3.0). However, I've saw a few developers here which have posted patches to it, and I'm believe creating a mirror at Bitbucket would make contributing easier.
00:36:37 <ZachThibeau> hey GordCaswell how's things?
00:37:07 <ZachThibeau> AluisioASG: you have bitbucket?
00:37:14 <JohnTHaller> AluisioASG: Why would mirroring elsewhere make it easier?
00:37:15 <AluisioASG> yep. Same nick.
00:37:25 <GordCaswell> I'm likely posting a couple more apps tonight, so I'll see if it's still freaking out for me. As gluxon (I think) pointed out, it seems to be only when there's links.
00:37:54 <GordCaswell> ZachThibeau: Are you flying to BC, or driving?
00:38:07 <ZachThibeau> I guess in the sense better issue tracking etc a few more options than sf's services
00:38:12 <GordCaswell> Hey all.:)
00:38:13 <ZachThibeau> GordCaswell: train
00:38:26 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: We do issue tracking here in the forums.
00:38:38 <JohnTHaller> (we don't have many issues to track)
00:38:54 <JohnTHaller> Link about current Mollom issues: http://portableapps.com/node/34049
00:39:03 <ZachThibeau> well I'm just grasping at straws to why AluisioASG is suggesting
00:39:29 <GordCaswell> ah. When you get it planned out, let me know if you'll be stopping in Wpg for any amount of time. I could treat you to a coffee or something.
00:39:37 <JohnTHaller> Heh, nice
00:39:43 <ZachThibeau> sure thing Gord
00:39:50 <JohnTHaller> If you get lost and wind up in NYC, ping me :)
00:40:17 <ZachThibeau> first thing if I ever get in nyc would of been to ping you anyways John
00:41:39 <GordCaswell> My phone's about to die, guys, I'll be back later.
00:41:45 <ZachThibeau> k
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00:42:24 <ZachThibeau> I wonder how steve lamerton is doing, haven't heard from him in a while
00:43:41 <JohnTHaller> He's busy at university now. Will likely need to wind down his participation a bit.
00:44:44 <AluisioASG> JohnTHaller, ZachThibeau: At least for me, it would make the code sharing process easier, especially for non-commiters. It's just a thought, anyway.
00:45:06 <ZachThibeau> anyways I made some more progress in Bentlys xenon c++ version in my spare time
00:45:37 <JohnTHaller> Does BitBucket have some process that differs from SF in terms of non-committers? I thought Hg was Hg.
00:45:44 <gluxon> Actually, It's probably a good thing Mollum picks up posts with links.
00:45:58 <gluxon> ^oo, bit late on that.
00:46:05 <sar3th> bitbucket has pull requests, just as github has, right?
00:46:14 <AluisioASG> sar3th: Yep.
00:46:23 <sar3th> well that's very useful :)
00:46:49 <gluxon> http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Git_vs_Mercurial
00:46:56 <JohnTHaller> My experience with code management systems basically ended with Visual Source Safe. I can basically bang on the modern ones, but I don't understand them to any depth.
00:48:09 <ZachThibeau> I will say in terms of mercurial is concerned it's pretty easy to use so where things are hosted etc I'm pretty cool with it
00:48:48 <AluisioASG> JohnTHaller: People can fork the code into their own account, make the modifications they need, commit and send a pull request for me. I can accept it through the website, and all metadata (e.g. author) is kept in there. (I hope I've made a good description)
00:49:05 <AluisioASG> BTW, has any of you seen Chris Morgan recently?
00:49:16 <JohnTHaller> AluisioASG: Can you not do that on SF?
00:49:21 <ZachThibeau> I've had people do that with my PChat code they submitted patches like that
00:49:58 <JohnTHaller> Stepping away for a few. Back in maybe 30 minutes or so.
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00:50:32 <sar3th> i don't think SF offers anything like pull requests
00:50:33 <gluxon> That's right, SF.net has Mercurial support as well.
00:50:57 <AluisioASG> IIRC, Allura (the new SF platform) does have something like that.
00:52:42 <gluxon> AluisioASG: Did I ever ask you about GitHub opposed to BitBucket? My IRC memory is foggy.
00:53:18 <AluisioASG> Hm... I think you did.
00:54:20 <AluisioASG> 01:32:44 <AluisioASG> 1. I do have an account on GitHub, but I don't actually use any of my accounts on both sites in order to compare them. 2. GitHub is Git-only. Our repos are all Mercurial-based.
00:55:02 <gluxon> Yeah, I just found that. I also just remembered that Gord originally posted the link I just posted :-/
00:56:11 <AluisioASG> Y. BTW, do you guys think mirroring our repos on Bitbucket would actually make things easier?
00:56:20 <ZachThibeau> but on the up note, bitbucket does support git
00:57:08 <sar3th> AluisioASG, yeah, i think so
00:57:15 <sar3th> but my personal choice would be git ;)
00:57:35 <ZachThibeau> all in all, it's not svn :P
00:57:55 <sar3th> of couse
00:58:11 <sar3th> but even manual version control in 7z archives can be better than that ;D
00:58:28 <ZachThibeau> lol
00:58:34 <AluisioASG> Well, I'm the maintainer of TortoiseHg Portable, so I can say my opinion is clearly biased XD
00:58:59 * AluisioASG is thinking on trying SCCS
00:59:03 <ZachThibeau> I was influenced by Chris and other people I speak with to give in to mercurial
00:59:12 <sar3th> as long as it's not SCONs
00:59:27 <ZachThibeau> scons isn't that a python based build system?
01:00:02 <gluxon> sar3th: *high-five* for git.
01:00:15 <sar3th> :)
01:00:17 <sar3th> yea ZachThibeau
01:00:42 <AluisioASG> Has any of you ever tried Fossil?
01:00:47 <gluxon> I'm fine with Mercurial though. I don't know it as well, but it's similar enough.
01:01:43 <gluxon> AluisioASG: I don't think Fossil has services as big as GitHub and BitBucket.
01:03:13 <AluisioASG> Indeed. But having your entire project (including bugs and website) in a single file is a neat concept.
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01:08:36 <AluisioASG> WB GordCaswell
01:08:47 <GordCaswell> TY AluisioASG
01:13:06 <AluisioASG> GordCaswell: I'm taking a look at you patch right now. I don't see why not include it.
01:13:55 <GordCaswell> Excellent :) I'm not sure if I patched against it properly, I think it may have been against 2.2, not default.
01:14:52 <AluisioASG> np. What's your SF.net username?
01:15:54 <GordCaswell> ve4jhj
01:18:47 <AluisioASG> OK. I'll commit it and push it by tomorrow. Thanks.
01:19:04 <AluisioASG> PS JohnTHaller|away: please change my forum username to 'AluĂ­sio A. S. G.'.
01:19:12 <AluisioASG> Good night everyone.
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01:26:42 <ZachThibeau> wb GordCaswell
01:26:58 <GordCaswell> ZachThibeau, do you know of any good sound packs that work with Pchat?
01:26:59 <GordCaswell> ty
01:27:07 <ZachThibeau> not overall
01:27:41 <ZachThibeau> I'm more focused on PChat 2.0 actually going to be reversioned as 2.1
01:28:55 <GordCaswell> k. Just figured I'd ask. :)
01:31:32 <ZachThibeau> doesn't hurt :)
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01:34:09 <americanman28> hello
01:34:30 <americanman28> can somebody help me
01:34:46 <GordCaswell> americanman28, how can we help?
01:35:25 <americanman28> i have tor chat in a folder on my flash drive and cant add it to menu it cant find the .exe
01:35:49 <GordCaswell> is the exe in a subfolder?
01:35:53 <americanman28> yes
01:36:27 <GordCaswell> hang on, i;ve got instructions here on how to add it. give me a second
01:36:32 <americanman28> k
01:41:12 <americanman28> and i cant change folders or the program will not function
01:41:30 <GordCaswell> sorry it's taking so long, just tracking down the link
01:41:43 <americanman28> thats fine
01:42:10 <GordCaswell> http://portableapps.com/node/21757
01:42:18 <GordCaswell> follow that, just changing what you need.
01:42:34 <americanman28> k thats
01:51:13 <americanman28> didnt work
01:51:31 <americanman28> any other time i dont have problems add my own apps
01:52:41 <GordCaswell> What is the appinfo.ini you used? Please pastebin it.
01:52:58 <americanman28> ??
01:53:12 <GordCaswell> Try this instead: http://portableapps.com/node/20906
01:55:25 <GordCaswell> I'll be disconnecting for a minute, if it doesn't work, post again, and someone will either keep helping, or i will as soon as I'm back.
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01:58:27 <americanman28> im sorry i cant follow that stuff
02:00:23 <GordCaswell> Sorry, that's the simplest way to do what you want. That's all I can suggest.
02:00:34 <americanman28> thats for trying
02:00:49 <GordCaswell> you're welcome
02:06:07 <gluxon> GordCaswell: I'm pretty sure adding other apps to the menu doesn't require an AppInfo.ini.
02:07:17 <GordCaswell> normally, no, but americanman28 is asking about adding an app that's in a subfolder. However, americanman28, try this just to be sure: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingotherapps
02:07:20 <gluxon> americanman28: What's the folder structure? ex: X:\PortableApps\Tor\TorChat.exe
02:12:08 <GordCaswell> americanman28: I'm putting something together for you, it should make torchat show up for you.
02:12:40 <americanman28> in the torchat folder there are 3 other folders one is bin and in that is the exe
02:13:02 <GordCaswell> ok, hang on a minute, i've got something that will work for you, give me a second
02:15:07 <americanman28> k
02:24:17 <americanman28> thanks for all thisa
02:29:21 <GordCaswell> http://pastebin.com/YxhqDmev save that file as Appinfo.ini in the folder with src, bin, and doc, then restart your portable apps platform. the icon should show up
02:31:47 <americanman28> nothing
02:34:00 <GordCaswell> oops...change the line Start= to Start=bin\torchat.exe
02:34:07 <GordCaswell> I made a mistake
02:34:09 <americanman28> i dont get it it worked before i updated it and the file structure was the same
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02:35:31 <americanman28> already was
02:35:45 <GordCaswell> *shrugs* the platform doesn't look in subdirectories, and likely never will.
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02:36:13 <GordCaswell> Are you sure? I missed the R in torchat when i wrote it...
02:37:28 <americanman28> didnt work
02:37:49 <gluxon> americanman28: Dumb question, but you are refreshing the platform, right?
02:38:02 <americanman28> yup
02:38:53 <GordCaswell> americanman28, I'm installing it myself to try to figure it out for you
02:39:09 <americanman28> thanks so much for helping me
02:45:35 <GordCaswell> ok, figured out the problem. Add another folder called App in the same folder as src, bin and doc. Add the folder AppInfo inside that folder, and move the file appinfo.ini into that folder. If you want an icon to show up in the platform, copy bin\icons\torchat.ico to App\AppInfo\appicon.ico
02:45:53 <americanman28> k hold on
02:49:25 <americanman28> didnt work folowed just like u siad
02:53:41 <americanman28> idk why it dosent work
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02:57:17 <americanman28> can i change how many folders it look into
02:57:54 <GordCaswell> yes, just change the start=line if you need to
02:58:57 <americanman28> ok i give up
02:59:38 <GordCaswell> Sorry, i wish i could be more help, but that worked for me.
03:03:25 <americanman28> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/s6ytb3awnepe3pt/yWettgfKLB/portable%20app%20folder
03:03:32 <americanman28> there is mine ziped
03:04:58 <americanman28> can you check it
03:06:00 <JohnTHaller|away> appinfo.ini, not appinfo.inf
03:06:33 <JohnTHaller|away> And the line should be Start=bin\torchat.exe without the preceding \
03:08:00 <americanman28> k it works but how do i get icon working
03:08:29 <JohnTHaller|away> rename torchat.ico to appicon.ico
03:08:32 <GordCaswell> copy bin\icons\torchat.ico to App\Appinfo\appicon.ico
03:08:41 <JohnTHaller|away> ... in AppInfo
03:10:00 <americanman28> YESSSSSSS THANKS so much everyone
03:10:44 <JohnTHaller|away> You're welcome. Glad it worked :) Wish the Tor folks would just build proper PA.c Packages since they based their work on ours. You'll be able to manually create shortcuts in our platform shortly, though.
03:11:22 <americanman28> nice cant wait
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03:55:43 <pa_2424> help!
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03:56:10 <JohnTHaller> how can we help you?
03:56:23 <pa_2424> Im new to this. Is there a portable app that I can use to read ebooks?
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03:57:13 <JohnTHaller> For ebooks in PDF format or comic books, you can use Sumatra PDF Portable: http://portableapps.com/apps/office/sumatra_pdf_portable
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03:57:59 <pa_2424> cool! Is there anything that would be able to use .epub files?
03:58:06 <JohnTHaller> For epubs, we have a test version of FBReader here: http://portableapps.com/node/20511
03:58:45 <JohnTHaller> It's a bit outdated, but we'll likely be making a real release of it in the near future.
03:59:18 <JohnTHaller> If you need to edit them or convert them between formats, we also have a test version of calibre here: http://portableapps.com/node/20518
03:59:35 <pa_2424> awesome. Also, can youe explain what Wine is? I have a mac but will be using these apps on PCs 99% of the time.
04:00:26 <JohnTHaller> Wine basically lets you run most Windows apps under Linux and BSD systems. As Mac OS is based on BSD tech, there are 3 major versions of Wine for Mac OS which will let you run a lot of Windows apps.
04:01:25 <JohnTHaller> I believe people are fond of these: http://wineskin.doh123.com/ http://winebottler.kronenberg.org/ and http://www.playonmac.com/en/download.html
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04:01:39 <JohnTHaller> Note that I haven't tested and compared them rigorously myself
04:01:51 <pa_2424> Awesome thanks for your help John.
04:01:56 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing :)
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08:05:24 <pa_8027> hi folks
08:05:42 <pa_8027> anyoen able to help me regarding running portable apps from dropbox
08:05:52 <pa_8027> works fine on home laptop
08:06:01 <pa_8027> eor message when trying to run from work pc
08:10:29 <TPFC-SYSTEM> pa_8027: What error message do you get?
08:20:19 <pa_8027> 2 minutes - I'l double check
08:23:14 <pa_8027> Could not find C:\Documents and Settings\%username%\Local Settings\Temp Inernet Files\Content.IE5\PortableApps\PortableApps.com\PortableAppsPlatform.exe
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08:24:28 <TPFC-SYSTEM> pa_8027: Hmm, odd. It looks like the Platform is being run from Internet Explorer's cache.
08:24:55 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Are you using Dropbox's desktop client or the web interface?
08:25:20 <pa_8027> web interface - sorry - I should have mae that clear - tight environment in work, so locked down
08:26:49 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Hm, I think the Platform isn't even supposed to work when using the web interface. AFAIK, it only allows you to download one file at a time, but the Platform needs all the files to run. :(
08:31:19 <pa_8027> ah - ok - I thought it may be too much to ask to run via the browser instance
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17:36:00 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Hi Joby. I'm just developing Project Invincible (like I do every evening).
17:36:17 <TPFC-SYSTEM> (I don't have anything to say; just being social.)
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