00:02:44 back 00:11:14 powerjuce: how goes the testing? 00:11:47 ZachThibeau: sry but this comp cant handle this app...i will have 2 test a little later 2nite 00:11:56 no worries 00:13:17 *** dbdii407 (n=dbdii407@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 00:25:53 *** KevinMPorter (n=KevinPor@unaffiliated/KevinPorter) has joined #portableapps 00:26:34 *** KevinMPorter has quit (Client Quit) 00:29:24 Thunderbird update is uploading... 00:30:30 *** ZachThibeau is now known as ZachT|AFK 00:32:01 *** daBomb69 (n=daBomb69@cpe-174-106-057-037.ec.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 00:32:09 *** ZachT|AFK is now known as ZachThibeau 00:32:15 back 00:32:45 *** daBomb69 has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:40:56 * JohnTHaller is so happy the whole site doesn't slow when pages are updated anymore... 00:45:53 *** BlinkyToon (n=MichaelW@200.87.191.8) has joined #portableapps 00:46:12 *** dragonmage is now known as drag|away 00:46:27 *** Don_Miguel has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00:49:39 *** rcmaehl (n=rcmaehl@er-myr-44.mb-sc.net) has joined #portableapps 00:50:22 RELEASE: Mozilla Thunderbird, Portable Edition: http://portableapps.com/news/2009-06-22_-_thunderbird_portable_2.0.0.22 00:50:37 Hello All From My Vacaton in Mrytle Beach 00:54:44 heh. having fun? 00:56:51 *** KevinPorter has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:57:48 *** Horusofoz (n=Administ@219-90-138-214.ip.adam.com.au) has joined #portableapps 00:57:56 Hi guys 00:59:14 *** rcmaehl2 (n=rcmaehl@er-myr-44.mb-sc.net) has joined #portableapps 00:59:14 *** rcmaehl has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:00:08 Just a note that because the new Mana World installs to a different directory than the dev tests and pre-releases it will cause users to lose settings and characters previously used unless they manually copy the files over :-( 01:01:39 Ah yes. I hadn't really considered that since it wasn't an official release yet. 01:02:05 oh srry JohnTHaller Yes I am 01:02:30 Scratch that. Though the settings are probably kept offline (I can find files for all the updates) it seems the character info is all kept server side 01:02:46 Need to fix my settings so theres a sound when my chat program is minimized and i get a message 01:02:58 *** rcmaehl2 is now known as rcmaehl 01:03:08 Horusofoz: This cover it? http://portableapps.com/news/2009-06-22_-_the_mana_world_portable_0.0.29.1#comment-121362 01:03:55 That should do though I just saw that the characters are kept server side as I managed to log in to mine 01:05:02 oh my god.... i hate the new paf 01:05:12 um why? 01:05:52 oh wow... did not kno u were here, and just cause it is new 01:06:01 i have to learn a lot of new stuff 01:06:02 lol 01:06:17 it's pretty automated now actually 01:06:24 although i love the installer that is included 01:06:47 i forgot what paf stands for 01:06:54 it is, but it is just something new.. i wanted to start testing but i am working thru the specs of paf 01:06:59 Portable Apps Format 01:07:04 oh 01:07:42 rcmaehl: you seriously need to get to portableapps.com more often and read the information tere 01:07:45 **there 01:07:54 ... 01:07:55 sorry JohnTHaller i am not saying it is bad i am just saying it is new...which is good :) 01:09:38 it'll help you learn more about the paf specifications and what kind of standards we use etc rcmaehl :) 01:09:43 What is the Mana World? 01:10:51 nvr mind 01:10:51 *** BlinkyToon has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:11:04 But I have an idea for the PA site 01:11:37 powerjuce: It's entirely automated now. You can control the whole thing with simple INI files. You don't even need NSIS installed on your PC. 01:11:40 rcmaehl: what? 01:12:43 Instead of having the language switcher at the bottom you could have it like in a drop-down menu of as flag icons after the search form or elsewhere 01:13:10 Oh it will be once we start using Drupal's actual language support. We're just doing a simple hack right now. 01:13:23 lol 01:14:12 *** daBomb69 (n=daBomb69@cpe-174-106-057-037.ec.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 01:14:18 *** daBomb69 has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:16:17 JohnTHaller: using this new system do we need to check paf then? 01:16:30 well, the installer checks some of it 01:16:32 or is checking paf just checking the ini files? 01:16:42 and i mean for the testers? 01:16:48 it even runs interactively by default and asks you for missing values 01:16:52 heh I just remember that he hotel i'm staying at is stealing the free wifi from the hotel new door 01:17:20 but yeah, we should check the INIs to make sure it's set right now... easier than checking code :-) 01:18:45 *** pa_5671 (i=ca815060@gateway/web/freenode/x-796e58606b37b755) has joined #portableapps 01:18:55 help! 01:18:56 *** SrgSiler|ZNC (n=sergents@unaffiliated/sergentsiler) has joined #portableapps 01:18:58 *** SrgSiler|ZNC is now known as SergentSiler 01:19:05 *** SrgSiler|AFK has quit ("Siler Out") 01:19:46 help! 01:19:51 pa_5671, ? 01:19:59 with what 01:20:07 Hi, sorry, I don't really get IRC 01:20:23 it's ok 01:20:27 I'm using several portable apps and having the same problem with all of them 01:20:34 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|Sleep 01:20:55 What's the problem? 01:22:00 I click the icon, and it brings up the load image, but then nothing happens. If I open Windows Task Manager it tells me that there are two processes [appname].exe and [appname]portable.exe. But no app loads 01:22:23 hmmmm 01:23:07 How many apps you got? 01:23:09 What operating system and do you have admin rights on it? 01:23:15 The two processes seem interdependant, if I delete one the other vanishes after a few seconds. 01:23:30 I had this problem when I had about 40 apps 01:23:36 Do you mean on my USB drive or loading? 01:23:43 USB 01:24:12 I have XP Pro, and I'm a power user or whatever it is in this version, but I've not had this problem with apps in the past 01:24:28 pa_5671: when did this issue start? 01:24:29 I have 14 apps on the USB 01:25:00 I've only noticed it today, but I haven't used most of the apps for a few weeks. 01:25:55 *** BlinkyToon (n=MichaelW@200.87.191.8) has joined #portableapps 01:26:06 What's the USB size? 128MB, 1GB, etc? 01:26:18 I use DOSboxPortable almost every day with no issues, but with that I put a shortcut in the folder of each game executable and just drag and drop. 01:26:27 It's a 1GB 01:26:44 ok hold on 01:29:28 DO you have a program that optimizes your COmputer for speed? 01:29:46 B/c they might not be getting enough RAM 01:30:52 I doubt there is on this machine, and I don't see any processes in Task Manager that look like an optimiser 01:33:00 The drive is about 1/3 full, I don't see how that could cause a problem, but I suppose I could try transferring the apps to a 2GB or 4GB drive 01:33:57 run an app 01:33:57 then go to taskmanager 01:33:59 right click on the app process and change priority to above normal or high on both 01:34:09 Is the app coming up? 01:34:17 ok 01:35:05 yes that seems to work really well 01:35:45 which thing? 01:35:58 with any app too 01:36:15 changing the priority on [appname].exe 01:36:21 ok 01:36:32 above normal is sufficient 01:36:58 It was a little trick I learned to make Firefox load fast on my computer 01:37:05 thanks! I shouldn't have any more problems now 01:37:17 You;re welcome 01:37:30 *** pa_5671 has quit ("Page closed") 01:37:57 See, I know stuff 01:38:30 heh, nice rcmaehl. sorry I missed the end of that, my girlfriend came home. 01:38:48 ... 01:39:31 JohnTHaller, how id you make the mibbit widget to have pa in front of the numbers 01:39:49 its not mibbit anymore 01:39:54 and its a special thing in the code 01:40:13 i dunno what it is anymore cause i always used the pa support thing as a reeference 01:40:41 *** daBomb69 (n=daBomb69@cpe-174-106-057-037.ec.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 01:40:50 *** daBomb69 has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:41:20 it's the freenode one. and it's a setting for it 01:41:22 *** rcmaehl2 (n=rcmaehl@er-myr-44.mb-sc.net) has joined #portableapps 01:41:27 alright... dinner time... back later... 01:41:33 dang it 01:41:44 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps () 01:41:53 *** rcmaehl has quit (Nick collision from services.) 01:41:56 *** powerjuce is now known as powerjuce|away 01:42:02 *** rcmaehl2 is now known as rcmaehl 01:43:42 FF 3.5 is different 01:45:03 someone ping me and tell me my reply time 01:48:38 *** rcmaehl2 (n=rcmaehl@er-myr-44.mb-sc.net) has joined #portableapps 01:48:47 *** rcmaehl has quit (Nick collision from services.) 01:48:51 *** rcmaehl2 is now known as rcmaehl 01:48:52 *** AppGuy (i=4a2c59be@gateway/web/freenode/x-3709da82a5a1a8ac) has joined #portableapps 01:49:19 *** AppGuy has parted #portableapps () 01:51:15 ZachThibeau: Any news on Songbird Portable? 01:51:39 Horusofoz: to quote John, it'll get done when it's done :P 01:51:48 right now I'm busy with another project 01:52:00 it's an XChat Fork 01:52:20 Why does Xchat need a fork it doesnt eat 01:52:31 ZachThibeau: I know that I mean is there any issues with it at the moment or is it all hunky dorey and just a matter of time 01:52:32 stop being a smart ass please 01:52:43 srry 01:53:00 Horusofoz: it will get done on my own schedule ;) 01:55:27 ZachThibeau: :'-( 01:55:34 ZachThibeau: :-p 01:55:38 :P 01:55:51 ZachThibeau: K just checking 01:55:51 I will try to aim for the end of this week :) 01:56:02 ZachThibeau: Cheers :-) 01:56:03 no promises though 01:56:42 brb 01:57:13 *** ZachThibeau is now known as ZachT|AFK 02:00:34 *** rcmaehl2 (n=rcmaehl@er-myr-44.mb-sc.net) has joined #portableapps 02:03:52 *** daBomb69 (n=daBomb69@cpe-174-106-057-037.ec.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 02:05:11 *** rcmaehl has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:06:14 *** daBomb69 has quit (Client Quit) 02:10:31 *** Espreon (n=espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon) has joined #portableapps 02:11:37 *** dzjepp (n=menace2s@adsl-76-239-18-172.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 02:23:54 *** rcmaehl2 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:25:52 *** dzjepp has quit () 02:29:05 *** Horusofoz has parted #portableapps () 02:42:53 *** Scriptdaemon (n=KennyW@cpe-76-83-207-236.dc.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 02:49:35 *** daBomb69 (n=daBomb69@cpe-174-106-057-037.ec.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 02:50:20 *** daBomb69 has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:55:21 *** JohnTHaller (n=JohnTHal@cpe-67-247-59-35.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 02:55:28 hi again 02:59:07 *** dabossbv (n=dabossbv@p57A6E127.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 03:00:19 *** Espreon has quit ("Tengo que ir... Yeahzorz...") 03:04:02 *** Whibo (n=Whibo@137-150.mc.royaume.com) has joined #portableapps 03:04:02 Whibo is a french translator of PortableApps.com and the last Timelord 03:07:28 I posted a Rev 2 to The Mana World. I messed up a setting in the PAF config. 03:07:47 Last I checked TMW wasn't added to the applications page btw. 03:07:48 oh sweet mana world is out :D 03:13:22 *** drag|away is now known as dragonmage 03:16:03 *** dabossbv1 has quit (Connection timed out) 03:25:52 pabot is dead :( 03:26:20 been dead for a while 03:26:42 I'm sad for a while too 03:27:04 GizmoBot'll never replace my old friend pabot 03:27:16 we splitted pizza 03:27:50 we plaid xbox 03:27:56 *played 03:30:17 *** Whibo is now known as pabot 03:30:29 I'm back master JohnTHaller 03:31:36 please stop that 03:32:52 Hmm. 15 official apps are outdated. :( 03:33:10 *** pabot is now known as Whibo 03:33:27 so serious :( 03:37:52 *** Whibo has parted #portableapps () 03:46:59 *** WastePotato has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:50:23 *** PatrickPatience (n=patrickp@free.dancing.bot.at.shellium.org) has joined #portableapps 03:58:01 *** Horusofoz (n=Administ@219-90-138-214.ip.adam.com.au) has joined #portableapps 03:58:55 JohnTHaller: The link for mana world rev2 is pinting to the PortableApps Sourceforge files page rather than the download 04:01:05 JohnTHaller: Same thing as happened with BonkEnc 04:01:23 SF error again... will retry it 04:02:01 Bensawsome: You 'round? 04:02:44 PatrickPatience, Well that depends. How 'round' ya want 'em? :P 04:03:03 24/7 or just now? ;) 04:03:43 Why in the world did i put an extra '? Eh. Oh well. 04:16:15 hey guys will the pa launcher installer actually compile the launcher? 04:16:37 no. the launcher won't need to be compiled by each dev 04:19:21 ok thanks 04:19:35 alrite i get the new paf 04:23:24 PatrickPatience? 04:23:48 alright, i need sleep. 04:24:05 nite 04:24:10 Bensawsome: What's the address for SHellium's ZNC control panel? 04:24:28 ummm 04:24:33 gnight all 04:24:34 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps () 04:24:40 https://shellium.org:8011 i think 04:24:54 yep 04:25:06 just need to add the exception in ff 04:34:38 aight yall i am going 2 bed i have work 2morrow, i have uploaded a new version of REGportable so you can all check that one out 04:34:51 gnight all 04:35:17 *** powerjuce|away has quit ("peace out all") 04:38:38 *** BlinkyToon has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:39:19 *** BlinkyToon (n=MichaelW@200.87.191.8) has joined #portableapps 04:40:33 Yo, folks... 04:40:44 What's with the .png's for the icon? 04:40:56 Color depth support? 04:56:07 transparency? 04:56:25 * Bensawsome dunno for sure 05:10:39 *** PatrickPatience has parted #portableapps ("Leaving.") 05:10:43 *** PatrickPatience (n=patrickp@free.dancing.bot.at.shellium.org) has joined #portableapps 05:11:43 *** PatrickPatience has parted #portableapps ("Leaving.") 05:11:54 *** PatrickPatience (n=patrickp@free.dancing.bot.at.shellium.org) has joined #portableapps 05:15:15 *** abc528 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:15:25 *** abc528 (n=abc528@lns-bzn-29-82-248-218-145.adsl.proxad.net) has joined #portableapps 05:16:27 *** dragonmage is now known as drag|away 05:21:32 *** PatrickPatience has parted #portableapps ("Leaving.") 05:40:43 *** MaienM|Sleep is now known as MaienM 05:45:38 *** dabossbv1 (n=dabossbv@p57A6FA80.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 05:56:11 *** ChrisMorgan (n=ChrisMor@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 05:56:12 ChrisMorgan is annoyed that GizmoBot has to announce him - RMCCUE! WHERE'S PABOT? 06:02:55 *** dabossbv has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:04:55 *** Horusofoz has parted #portableapps () 06:06:56 gmornin ChrisMorgan :) 06:07:11 Good afternoon, MaienM :-) 06:07:45 How's BPDutch going? 06:08:45 still the same, really don't have time for it due to school atm 06:08:59 school will be over in 2 weeks tho :) 06:09:11 * MaienM hopes he is going to make it this year 06:09:13 MaienM: I put a http://portableapps.com/node/18809#comment-121375 comment in for you, you should prepend "[Outdated]" to the pre-release thread's title and put a top line about it being released officially 06:12:13 how about now? ;) 06:15:20 *** Suiseiseki has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 06:18:29 Good :-) 06:20:52 *** upnPAD (n=upnPAD@121.216.205.97) has joined #portableapps 06:21:47 you know, the amount of downloads the official one has received has already superseded the amount of downloads all pre/beta ones combined xD 06:22:17 Not surprising really. 06:23:04 nope, not really 06:23:06 Many of them will actually be pesky sites which download them automatically and mirror information. 06:23:28 And many more will be people that just keep an up to date copy of all installers. 06:23:51 true, true 06:27:00 The sites are a nuisance as a) they're not needed and b) they may increase the download count but decrease it if people download from them. 06:27:33 why is download count important 06:27:48 the main reason i would see them as a nuisance would be if they had an outdated version 06:28:03 ...which they often do. 06:31:04 *sigh* trying to setup file/setting sync between my desktop and laptop atm :P 06:31:21 MaienM: both Windows? 06:31:28 both Ubuntu 06:31:47 OK then, I won't suggest that you try the MS Sync Toy :P 06:32:35 its getting there.... firefox settings have synced succesfully, only problem is some stuff keeps changing at both ends and thus I keep getting conflicts (to be expected) 06:32:41 xchat works fine too 06:33:51 although I have to get my router to let connections to my BNC through..... which I already did, but it refuses to admit that xD 06:40:53 o hallo mana world 07:00:40 *** Scriptdaemon has quit ("Leaving") 07:06:01 *** DaveDixonII (n=dbdii407@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 07:06:08 *** HypnoToad (n=TaffinFo@121.217.229.42) has joined #portableapps 07:06:52 Hey TaffinFoxcroft 07:07:15 If you really are going with HypnoToad, maybe you should change your name thingy (currently displays as TaffinFo) 07:07:25 Can't see why you would though... 07:07:45 I could, but then people wouldn't know its me from a /who 07:08:28 I'm not using HypnoToad to be completely anonymous, just to provide a mild level of seperation. 07:08:39 separation!? 07:09:29 as in seperating real life from the internet. 07:09:34 :s 07:10:15 snap out of it man! 07:10:21 * HypnoToad slaps ChrisMorgan 07:10:27 * ChrisMorgan fights back 07:10:44 s/fights back/turns the other cheek/ 07:13:38 s/regex/smell-ex/ 07:14:19 HypnoToad: don't be rude. 07:14:33 to regex? =P 07:15:48 Yes. 07:16:01 Go and stand in the #corner :-) 07:16:21 * HypnoToad hypnotises ChrisMorgan to go and stand in the #corner 07:16:58 Hah! 07:17:17 * ChrisMorgan sends HypnoToad to #portableapps-ot :-) 07:17:37 I'm already there, so ha! 07:17:51 You missed out an h in hah: HAH! 07:19:34 it was a sharp laugh, with a hard finish to the syllable 07:19:51 the extra h would have softened the effect 07:20:10 Actually no: it adds a mocking tone to the laugh. 07:21:22 HAH! 07:21:38 *** dbdii407 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:21:39 The first H is slightly rolled, gutturally. 07:22:38 It wasn't meant to add a mocking tone, but to provide a bit more force behind it, so its more like getting punched in the gut rather than with a pillow 07:24:40 * ChrisMorgan reckons that a *kick* would work better than a punch 07:25:10 same difference. either way you're still very mildly injured by the movement 07:27:48 meh 07:28:09 Starters. I /could/ enter and kick... 07:28:33 Anyhow, we seem to have got *very* off-topic. 07:28:35 take my op on a currently meaningless channel! oh no! 07:29:25 Not just currently... 07:29:49 who knows, Baaa could still have a comeback. 07:36:58 *** Horusofoz (n=Administ@219-90-138-214.ip.adam.com.au) has joined #portableapps 07:42:27 ohai Horusofoz 07:42:52 Howdy 07:45:59 Anyone here have any experience with VirtualBox? 07:47:27 portable? 07:47:36 I wish :) 07:47:57 so what were you looking for? 07:48:08 General help with it 07:48:35 I can't get drives to show in My Computer. I've found a workaround for it though. 07:49:11 as in windows as the host? 07:49:20 ...or guest? 07:50:14 Windows XP host 07:52:30 so you're trying to make VBox hard drives show up in "My Computer", correct? 07:53:01 btw, what version? 07:53:11 *** BjornH (n=BjornH@90-227-131-75-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 07:54:21 No. I mean no drives at all would show up. I found a workaround using the Save in drop down box. Version 2.2.4, looking forawrd to V3 final though :) 08:09:10 *** BlinkyToon has quit ("Ex-Chat") 08:10:00 *** Horusofoz has parted #portableapps () 08:10:47 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|away 08:43:24 *** ChrisMorgan|away is now known as ChrisMorgan 08:43:44 *** MaienM is now known as MaienM|School 09:04:46 *** Zarggg has quit () 09:08:33 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|away 09:14:44 *** pa_8962 (i=5fea1b69@gateway/web/freenode/x-193c2e2d0537f777) has joined #portableapps 09:14:58 *** pa_8962 has quit (Client Quit) 09:18:24 *** Zarggg (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) has joined #portableapps 10:01:39 *** ChrisMorgan|away is now known as ChrisMorgan 10:08:56 *** drag|away has quit ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )") 11:05:52 *** upnPAD has quit ("oi na") 11:27:22 *** rook2pawn (n=rook@67.170.193.53) has joined #portableapps 11:27:40 whats the purpose behind portable virtualDub? 11:28:46 rook2pawn: what exactly do you mean? 11:29:36 well, i thought virtualdub doesnt have an installation process 11:31:03 I don't know about that, but I do know that it's uncommon for an app to work completely portable. Whatever the cause, the PortableApps.com edition introduces the PortableApps.com Format - especially useful for backups. 11:32:37 Just checking up on what it does, it stores its settings in the registry. 11:33:24 Our wrapper makes sure that it doesn't leave anything behind on the local machine, or change any settings, and keeps them across machines. 11:33:27 Ahh. Thats wierd. Its settings always was in a "vcf" virtualdub configuration file 11:33:49 that you had to manually save to a location, and onload, you had to load/browse to the vcf file 11:33:54 Lack of installation process doesn't mean that it's portable. 11:34:12 Well the launcher handles backup and restoration of HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Freeware 11:34:30 oh okay 11:34:50 And moves VirtualDub.jobs and QuickTime.ini back and forth from the Data directory to the App directory. 11:35:05 Doesn't look like it uses any vcf file. 11:35:16 Maybe that's some other software, or maybe it's changed. 11:35:35 another question:i always get the latest firefox and firefox beta (3.5b_alwayschanging), but when I want opera, i always have to go to opera-usb 11:35:48 is someone else doing the opera portableapps? 11:35:52 Opera is closed source. 11:35:59 Therefore we haven't been able to do it. 11:36:22 A PortableApps.com version /may/ come some time, with our freeware support. 11:36:40 i see some other types of wrappers like Thinstall handle the Safari browser 11:36:52 Don't mention Thinstall... 11:36:56 It is *EVIL*! 11:36:58 :-) 11:37:11 Well, it does leave all kinds of folders i never asked for,everywhere 11:37:38 To legally use it, you must have forked out a few thousand, and to legally redistribute thinstalled apps, it's something like $30,000 for a license. 11:37:41 like in certain %user_environment_variables% like %temp etc 11:37:43 And it's GPL incompatible 11:38:15 *** WastePotato (n=WastePot@unaffiliated/wastepotato) has joined #portableapps 11:38:17 Does portableapps create directories that is not a child in its install path? 11:39:00 Ahh, no wonder i had to get it the thinstall safari off anonymous file host 11:39:06 Some apps, such as things like Songbird and Bonkenc, may use things like X:\Documents\Music (which is sensible) but they'll never leave things where they shouldn't. 11:40:21 PortableApps.com makes only "stealth" applications; if we can't make an app absolutely perfect, we have to drop it. 11:40:35 it has a good name 11:40:41 :) 11:40:49 You mean PortableApps.com? 11:41:29 i mean, not how it sounds, but i mean, the branding and confidence 11:41:30 etc 11:41:34 Yeah :-) 11:42:09 i think it would be exctiing and would certainly make a splash to do a portable php and portable apache, the way the strawberry team did portable perl and killed Activestate 11:42:42 Well, I'll tell you of something which I personally am doing: http://code.google.com/p/manta-server 11:43:05 I actually started doing some real coding work today, beyond just planning. 11:43:54 is this a dot net type project? 11:43:59 Not at all! 11:44:16 Ahh 11:44:38 FYI, we do have a XAMPP Portable launcher at the moment, not in the PortableApps.com Format, but it works perfectly. 11:45:19 I have started some work on portable offsite documentation, and a local replacement for online CPAN (Perl archive network) 11:45:34 I dont know how to do windows code :( 11:46:07 Lots of languages to choose from if you like :-) 11:46:26 so far, I've succeeded in building modperl from http://perl.apache.org/ to http://modperl.rook2pawn.com 11:46:43 along with apache/avisynth/perldoc .rook2pawn.com 11:46:57 That's a good start I imagine :-) 11:48:16 i had a coworker tell me about xampp, and i never understood why it was necessary since the binaries are so easy 11:48:50 but, the best portable app ive ever come across was the strawberry perl, as it included the entire gnu32 gcc/g++/make suite 11:49:12 See also: MinGW Portable 11:49:19 .pa MinGW Portable Development Test 11:49:29 .g site:portableapps.com MinGW Portable Development Test 11:49:30 ChrisMorgan: http://portableapps.com/node/18601 11:49:34 .title 11:49:36 ChrisMorgan: MinGW Portable Development Test 5 (formerly MSYS Portable) | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB drives 11:49:44 Yup, that's the one 11:49:53 Although, the only nonportable thing it does is modify the system path to include the /perl/c/bin (it turns out compiling portably, isnt quite a reality, even though people try) 11:50:26 Oh wow :) that is awesome 11:50:36 I had mirrored mingw locally 11:50:41 Yeah, portable compilers and dynamic languages is always an issue, because the app may not be portable... 11:50:54 since their auto mirror script seemed to work out quite right for me 11:51:02 .ask Gizmokid2005 Could we have .pa for GizmoBot, as pabot has/had? 11:51:03 ChrisMorgan: As pabot is currently down, please use MemoServ instead so no .tells are missed. (/msg MemoServ help) 11:51:13 ARGH! Grrr. 11:51:16 :-) 11:52:18 I find it painful that so much of "cross platform development" has so much work done exclusively on linux 11:52:45 Yeah, but do you blame them? 11:53:00 im going to write an article on that :) especially concerning newlines and how standard IO filters can screw things up 11:53:03 Free. Easier to develop on (because it's normally already there). 11:53:52 I'm only stuck with Windows as my only choice for one more day, God willing, as my laptop is due to arrive tomorrow so I can install Linux on it as well :-) 11:54:20 i find the newline issue to be somethign of paramount importance 11:54:38 Really? Why? 11:54:43 well 11:54:48 \r\n, \r, \n, what does it matter? 11:55:09 gVim (Portable, mine) is what I use, it compensates for them all. 11:55:31 ive stopped using \r's and \n's and started to use their hex "equivalents" 11:55:41 \n being \x0a 11:56:03 because \n in any language is converted inot the newline representation by the compiler that is compiled for that OS 11:56:05 Why? What for? 11:56:16 socket / tcp developement 11:56:38 Not in my experience... afaik e.g. gcc doesn't care about LE 11:57:06 but then something tripped me up the other day, and that is how STDIN/OUT's cannot be reliable, in the sense that \x0A can represent \n dependeing on the type of connection into standard pipes 11:57:24 i.e. \x0a should never be \n, but should be the RFC NL newline 11:58:02 what i discovered is that in the windows IO subsystem, a \x0A if passed in, gets converted into windows newline 11:58:05 which means \n 11:58:06 Well I've never really done any direct socket work, so I've never needed to worry about it. 11:58:29 Ah :), im wrting a tutorial about it 11:58:54 If you use frameworks, other people have had to bother about it and perfected it (in theory) :D 11:58:59 anyways, ultimatelty it comes down to if you write in binary mode \x0A, you literally get \x0A 11:59:29 ":s" 11:59:30 and how this kind of distinction is ignored in linux scripts/libraries 11:59:59 becuase they just assume binary mode isnt necessary when it "seems that im really passing \x0A" or some other literal hexadecimal 12:00:14 but that windows IO does some funky things if you arent watching 12:00:37 ive had to disect wikimedia libraries and some perl libraries 12:00:47 that were developed in a unix environment 12:01:00 Fun fun :-) 12:01:11 yah, portability is hard 12:01:41 i guess you more than anyone should know how much work it is to not take assumptions 12:02:31 Things like MinGW, wx, GTK+, etc. are useful, but they don't fix it all... 12:03:17 Ah, they are noble projects :) as is portableapps :) 12:03:54 s/portableapps/PortableApps.com/ 12:03:56 ;-) 12:05:29 Are you with rareIdeas? :) i was looking at the bottom 12:05:42 I'm a volunteer. My contributions here are just BPBible Portable, Inkscape in Pre-Release, various development tests, and work on the upcoming generic PortableApps.com Launcher 12:06:07 Only John T. Haller (JohnTHaller in here) is Rare Ideas, LLC. 12:07:05 *** sar3th (n=sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 12:07:05 ahh.. i was looking at the layout 12:07:06 sar3th says hello to everyone! 12:07:21 layout? 12:07:23 and i saw powered by Drupal 12:07:27 Hello to sar3th :-) 12:07:46 i couldnt decide on a cms for my website 12:07:50 Yeah, we use Drupal for the site. It does a very nice job :-) 12:08:04 Personally I've use Drupal for all that I do. 12:08:06 hi ChrisMorgan and rook2pawn :) 12:08:24 i looked into apache forest/tomcat, i thought about drupal, possibly zend, ... 12:08:33 http://chrismorgan.info http://dandenongbec.org.au http://bpbible.com http://christadelphiansindia.com http://watersums.com 12:08:52 Zend you'd need to make your own site out of it, it's just a [bloated] framework. 12:09:10 My apps in development include gVim, Code::Blocks, Sweet Home 3D, GanttProject, "and more" 12:10:26 Oh wow :) I use gvim portable, but i wondered why its default .vimrc is different then the standard one... also IMO it should have set nowritebackup set noswapfile and set nobackup 12:10:43 I think then that you're not using my one. 12:11:00 watersums is beautiful layout man! 12:11:14 wow, how long did that take? 12:11:29 Well it's just a default theme - danger4k, available at drupal.org/project/danger4k 12:11:47 My own /replacement/ theme for it is coming very soon, just finishing tweaking it... 12:12:06 Should be coinciding with WaterSums 1.1's release. 12:12:31 Ahh, perhaps i should think about drupal 12:13:01 My gVim Portable is 7.2, stores settings properly, uses _vimrc (not .vimrc) and copies the default one, and passes -n (no swap files), if you want backup off you can do it :-) 12:13:07 .def gvim 12:13:08 ChrisMorgan: Sorry, but I don't know about gvim 12:13:14 Oh grr, pabot knew about it... 12:13:30 .g site:portableapps.com gvim portable development test 12:13:30 ChrisMorgan: http://portableapps.com/node/15654 12:13:32 .title 12:13:33 ChrisMorgan: gVim Portable 7.2 Development Test 3 | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB drives 12:13:37 I finally ended up going with mediawiki as bizarre as that may sound 12:14:23 I reckon that mediawiki just looks either a) horrible or b) common (i.e. monobook) 12:14:26 http://wiki.rook2pawn.com/Tutorials:Sockets 12:14:54 its wierd, because it combines version control as part of its default interface 12:15:10 but there are lots of slightly buggy, but quite working extensions 12:15:47 i now know the entire wikipedia looks very shiny on the outside, but is powered by a 2 stroke diesel going uphill 12:15:55 but, it still manages to hang on 12:16:35 Yeah, it has a very "pale" look 12:17:29 Drupal has revision control for nodes. 12:17:32 In the core. 12:18:23 Drupal can also be fairly bloated for some things though. 12:18:35 Is "a 2 stroke diesel going uphill" good or bad? 12:18:39 For example, you wouldn't use drupal for just a blog 12:18:46 HypnoToad: wouldn't you? 12:18:48 2-stroke uphill is bad. 12:19:11 i.e. "under-powered"/"slow" I presume? 12:19:25 I couldnt decide on a blog, so i went with wordpress 12:19:31 yes, i dont know my engines :) 12:20:10 While I'm not a "WordPress WordPress WordPress!" guy, it does seem pretty good. I've never done more than visit a WP-powered site though. 12:20:52 its pretty easy to setup and update, plus its smaller than drupal 12:20:53 i tried setting up my own..it is very easy and straightforward to use :) 12:21:00 i highly suggest it for bllogs 12:21:04 *blogs 12:21:16 ChrisMorgan: have you ever heard of a kombi (type of car)? 12:21:49 I'm glad you specified that it was a car... now I know something about it? 12:21:56 viz, no 12:22:31 Why exactly are you bringing it up? 12:23:01 i found the sites forum-software.org and forummatrix.org really interesting, as they build temporary environments for every forum software there is 12:23:08 on the 2-stroke engine matter. 12:23:35 Yeah, I played with a WP sandbox for a while before deciding to use it 12:27:27