00:01:08 *** ZachThibeau (i=ZachThib@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 00:01:20 ohai ZachThibeau 00:01:52 HypnoToad: howdy Taffin 00:05:04 *** daBomb69 is now known as daBomb69|Away 00:22:50 *** KevinMPorter (n=KevinPor@unaffiliated/KevinPorter) has joined #portableapps 00:23:20 hello again KevinMPorter 00:23:30 connection fail? 00:23:32 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 00:24:26 ohai Gizmokid2005 and KevinMPorter 00:24:42 hello Taffin 00:27:11 site still down? 00:27:56 look 00:28:48 .title http://portableapps.com 00:28:49 HypnoToad: PortableApps.com will be right back... 00:29:09 i like the new service page :P 00:30:14 It looks fairly cool. 00:30:31 ohai SergentSiler 00:30:40 ohai 00:31:59 *** excid3 (n=Chris@dial-66-51-190-52.irtc.net) has joined #portableapps 00:33:15 ohai excid3 00:33:24 lol 00:33:50 Someone watching a bit of Futurama recently eh? 00:34:07 who? 00:34:19 wait, what episode? 00:34:22 you maybe ;) 00:34:47 Hypno toad was in several episodes 00:34:50 lol 00:35:01 oh, thats right =P 00:35:20 * HypnoToad forgets about the nick occasionally 00:35:37 lol 00:36:07 :) 00:37:15 *** jnw222 has quit (""work on Neverball Portable project an then go to sleep") 00:37:33 .wik Neverball 00:37:34 "Neverball is a 3D platform game similar to Super Monkey Ball." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverball 00:38:39 * SergentSiler <3 neverball 00:38:57 * excid3 <3 dialup 00:39:07 * 00:39:18 * ZachThibeau wants to try mumble D: 00:41:16 *** KevinPorter has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:45:23 *** dbdii407 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:50:27 *** HypnoToad has quit ("bbl") 00:53:06 *** ZachThibeau has quit ("PChat, help boycot the gpl violator named zed of XChat") 00:55:28 *** zachthibeau (n=zachthib@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 01:02:07 *** daBomb69|Away is now known as daBomb69 01:10:44 *** SergentSiler is now known as _50u|r34p3r_ 01:10:55 *** daBomb69 is now known as h4x0r 01:11:20 *** h4x0r is now known as |-|4x0|\ 01:14:28 *** Gizmokid2010 (n=Gizmokid@75-134-112-128.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 01:15:15 *** Gizmokid2010 has parted #portableapps ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.") 01:23:22 *** |-|4x0|\ is now known as daBomb69 01:26:15 *** excid3 has quit ("Leaving.") 01:28:39 *** zachthibeau has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:37:18 *** zachthibeau (n=zachthib@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 01:37:38 *** zachthibeau has parted #portableapps ("Leaving") 01:46:18 *** zachthibeau (n=zachthib@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 01:48:55 *** dbdii407 (i=dbdii407@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 01:49:18 hello everyone 01:52:19 yo dbdii407 :D 01:56:04 *** dbdii407 has quit () 02:01:03 *** HypnoToad (n=TaffinFo@121.217.229.42) has joined #portableapps 02:13:08 *** ChrisMorgan (n=ChrisMor@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 02:13:10 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer (BPBible, Inkscape et al), currently involved with work on the PortableApps.com Launcher. 02:14:14 *** _50u|r34p3r_ is now known as SergentSiler 02:18:55 Hey, I like the PA.c offline page! 02:19:04 same ^_^ 02:19:20 JohnTHaller: what's the update this time? 02:19:24 * daBomb69 would prefer seeing the normal PA.c homepage though.... 02:20:22 I set the BPBible message to take users to the Google Code page and similar... but so far it's only ever been offline for about 40 seconds while upgrading from 6.2 to 6.12... 02:21:15 *** dzjepp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:25:35 * ChrisMorgan likes the latest Mibbit blog post title, announcing a new staff member: mibbit.getPersonFactory().createMibbitPerson().setName(”fastundia”); 02:26:55 *** Espreon has quit ("Tengo que ir... Yeahzorz...") 02:30:15 *** dabossbv has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:31:22 ohai ChrisMorgan 02:32:37 JohnTHaller: I just took a look at the Java Portable Launcher source code, I reckon you should add in a -Duser.home=$EXEDIR\Data\AppData value, which will catch most settings, whereas just changing APPDATA doesn't do it (user.home defaults to USERPROFILE, APPDATA isn't normally used at all. I haven't come across an app that uses it, the closest is Sweet Home 3D which gets user.home and hard codes "Application Data" onto the end of it 02:32:42 Hey HypnoToad 02:36:35 ChrisMorgan: Is that a commandline or env var? 02:36:55 PA.c DB was corrupted by the power failure (server went down hard). rebuiling 02:37:37 JohnTHaller: command line; before the jarpath. 02:37:55 *** dabossbv (n=dabossbv@p57A6FD2C.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 02:37:59 OK, good luck... seem to have been too many issues with the server recently 02:38:19 JohnTHaller: I've used it in GanttProject Portable and Sweet Home 3D Portable. 02:38:27 APPDATA is a good idea as well though. 02:40:01 It'd be nice, for later, if there was some sort of monitoring of the registry, HKCU\Software\JavaSoft\Prefs\*; java.util.prefs uses the registry on Windows (Sweet Home 3D and Bluemarine use it as well as user.home) 02:43:50 nah, we wouldn't know when the app closed 02:43:52 *** Whibo (n=Whibo@135-181.mc.royaume.com) has joined #portableapps 02:43:52 Whibo is a french translator of PortableApps.com 02:44:07 ohai Whibo. 02:44:15 hai 02:45:06 .title http://portableapps.com 02:45:07 HypnoToad: PortableApps.com will be right back... 02:45:15 nope, still down. 02:46:19 JohnTHaller: that's a hurdle I had to cope with in my apps... which is why it'd really be good if we could handle the Launch4J bit properly. Do you know about it, or do you want me to explain briefly, or maintain silence and let you sort out the databse? 02:46:23 *database 02:46:34 HypnoToad: vanity, vanity :P 02:49:56 drop me an email acount it? Kinda bandwidthed out :-( 02:51:23 k 02:57:12 JohnTHaller: how've you gone with the launcher? I s'pose it's still Monday where you are... :P 02:57:40 one hour left in it :P 02:57:46 monday that is 03:01:46 * ChrisMorgan has gotten used to calculating the 14-hour difference for NY time :D 03:02:46 *** KevinMPorter has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:06:14 *** daBomb69 is now known as daBomb69|Sleep 03:08:02 *** Whibo has quit () 03:10:03 OK John, I emailed you :-) 03:10:18 Lunch time Tuesday :D 03:10:42 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|away 03:14:05 ChrisMorgan|away: yeah, it's still monday, but i've been stuck dealing with this DB thing since 3pm 03:17:49 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|Sleep 03:18:32 *** zachthibeau is now known as ZachT|AFK 03:23:30 *** dragonmage (i=newdrago@cpe-071-068-073-045.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 03:27:36 *** Whibo (n=Whibo@135-181.mc.royaume.com) has joined #portableapps 03:27:36 Whibo is a french translator of PortableApps.com 03:28:46 Yeeoouuuchh! 03:29:09 *** ChrisMorgan|away is now known as ChrisMorgan 03:30:59 ChrisMorgan: hunh? 03:31:23 Dealing with the DB for over 8 hours... 03:31:36 *** dabossbv1 (n=dabossbv@p57A6FBD0.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 03:32:00 Yeeoouuuchh! 03:32:37 Well said :-) 03:32:51 copy-pasta! 03:33:13 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 03:36:08 *** Whibo has quit () 03:48:45 yeah. unfun. innodb namespace corrupted hard again. rolled back to 1am backup. getting uncorrupted tables and restoring into backed up DB 03:49:07 How long do you reckon it'll take? Any idea? 03:49:13 *** dabossbv has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:49:24 So why have they let it happen again? Is it the same UPS thing again? 03:50:25 another hour about 03:50:44 it was another power disruption. not sure if it was due to the switch or what this time 03:51:15 yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck... *sigh* 03:51:56 *** ZachT|AFK has quit ("Leaving") 03:52:51 I presume that "PortableApps.com receives a trip to the OSCON conference in San Jose, July 21-25, and to SourceForge's Community Choice Awards ceremony on July 23." means John, not all of us and all our users? ;-) What exactly is the CCA ceremony about? 03:52:53 i know. and we pay $12,000 a year so this *DOESN'T* happen 03:53:38 they announce the winners of this: https://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/ 03:54:27 Hmm... do the winners get told earlier and invited, I wonder 03:54:42 Did we win any last year? 03:54:52 *** Mir (n=Mir@pool-71-109-167-233.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 03:55:23 no, just lots of nominations 03:55:44 k 03:55:46 had a nice plan to let people know this week in concert with the sourceforge press release and a newsletter... but I think that may be in shambles now 03:56:00 :-( 03:56:06 grr 03:56:08 hi 03:56:54 i was gonna do one newsletter just before the end of this month in concert with a platform PR and stuff. start with some freeware and some commercial announcements next week. then do the 1.6 launch and a july newsletter just prior to voting end. 03:57:03 looks like we may just have one newsletter instead :-( 03:57:33 Do we get to find out who's on board yet? 03:57:40 on the plus side, the platform is shaping up nicely. and the updater is working really well with it. (I think you saw the screenshots) 03:57:56 Good... I didn't see them? 03:57:56 not yet. may only announce one or two at launch since some have some negotiatins to do 03:58:01 k 03:58:10 screenshots? 03:58:24 http://portableapps.com/temp/PortableApps.comUpdaterPreview2.png 03:58:27 Has the launcher development been moved forward because of the server issue? 03:58:32 http://portableapps.com/temp/PortableApps.comUpdaterAddPreview2.png 03:58:43 cool as. 03:59:27 *** PatrickPatience (n=Patrick@bas21-toronto12-1279471187.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #portableapps 03:59:28 I still reckon that NSIS isn't the best way to go. Ah well, since the ListView thing it's a lot better, the only real problem is keyboard usability/lack of :-) 03:59:30 Hey Pat 03:59:36 Yo. 03:59:45 Downtime messages just get more and more pretty. 03:59:50 :P 03:59:50 Rackspace isn't down, is it? 03:59:59 yeah. i was gonna try and post it late tonight. probably be more like wed now. I brought my stuff onto your codebase (since mine was originally sans logiclib). it centralizes the keys into a two areas (one each for HKCU and HKLM) and appdata. and it uses the stack so that if the key is pulled, it can still clean up. 04:00:00 I heard someone mention it was. 04:00:03 Just the same hard power ruining the DB issue... 04:00:10 Oh, nice. 04:00:21 rackspace had another huge power outtage. it even took out rackspace.com this time. so our DB went down hard. corruption is being fixed now. 04:00:41 I was thinking of using NSISArray for keeping things. 04:00:51 ChrisMorgan: Yeah, eventually, we'll probably redo it in delphi or something. 04:00:54 The stack is just prone to trouble in my experience... 04:00:58 bbl 04:00:59 good 04:01:03 ChrisMorgan: I played with NSISArray and it's damn messy. 04:01:06 Bye Taffni :-) 04:01:20 HypnoToads are the worst kind of toads. 04:01:30 The stack is fine if you use it cleanly. It's actually pretty easy when you see what I'm working on. 04:01:31 I've looked at it, it's pretty messy to set up, but looked straghtforward after that. 04:01:50 Stack + LogicLib and loops = pretty easy. 04:01:56 Yeah :-) 04:02:50 so you like the look now? 04:03:02 Yes, I do. Much nicer than the sections stuff :-) 04:03:12 It's just that you can't navigate it with the keyboard, that's all. 04:03:22 *** PatrickPatience has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:03:38 yeah, that is pretty damn annoying 04:03:59 JohnTHaller: incidentally, on the Java Portable Launcher side, in my experience they always specify the com.something.else.bootstrap bootstrap class to run. Some, but not all, will run without it specified. 04:04:04 though if you're just using it for updates (which is the primary purpose right now), you just need to hit Next :-) 04:04:15 Yeah, that's true. 04:04:30 not all. A properly packaged JAR doesn't need it. And a lot of projects release JARs as runable. 04:04:37 Why exactly /is/ Java Portable's installoptions.dll 14MB? 04:04:50 Yeah. I was just raising the point :-) 04:04:58 It's not really. It's just the way it shows up in 7zip 04:05:17 So why is the download 14MB? 04:05:21 *** PatrickPatience (n=Patrick@bas21-toronto12-1279471187.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #portableapps 04:05:37 Man, Pidgin just keeps droppin' the releases. 04:06:09 It looks to me as though it really is 14MB, if not, then what's making it so big? 04:07:03 Haha, check out the vertical scrollbar after clicking on the header: http://prosody.im/ 04:07:36 PatrickPatience: what vertical scrollbar? 04:07:45 * ChrisMorgan uses Chrome... it compensates for bad design ;-) 04:17:18 PatrickPatience did you need me a day or 2 ago? 04:18:47 * Bensawsome is going to bed in a minuuuute 04:24:12 Gizmokid2005|AFK: It has been done. 04:29:41 *** Zarggg has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:37:36 *** Don_Miguel has quit (Connection timed out) 04:41:44 JohnTHaller: I approve of the narrower back shortly message ;-) 04:43:48 mimicking this: http://twitter.com/PortableApps 04:44:26 I guessed that 04:45:18 *** Zarggg (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) has joined #portableapps 05:04:30 JohnTHaller! You did it! 05:04:32 YAY! 05:04:45 Now I'm sure you need to go to bed :-) 05:04:46 Screw flash drives, I just want a PortableApps.com shirt. 05:07:05 *** Suiseiseki has quit ("Oxysearch, the search engine with concentrated formula (TM) http://www.oxysearch.com/") 05:07:32 The site is now back online up to approximately 4pm NY time when the power outtage happened. No data was lost. And, unlike last time, the search cache doesn't need to be rebuilt. 05:10:53 Thanks John :-) 05:12:25 *** abc528 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:12:56 *** abc528 (n=abc528@lns-bzn-29-82-248-213-144.adsl.proxad.net) has joined #portableapps 05:13:40 Outtage Summary: http://portableapps.com/node/19783 05:16:54 So do you reckon the user.home thing is worth a 1.1 release? 05:20:56 *** dragonmage is now known as drag|away 05:32:27 JohnTHaller: I reckon that it's worth a new release. 05:34:38 prob 05:34:57 but i'll give it a week to see if anything else pops up 05:38:58 I can't think of anything else, other than possibly shortcut creation using NSIS Portable if they've got it, e.g. another command line argument... how does that sound? I'll do it myself if you like? 05:41:17 Prob not. This is more targeted at end users, so it's unlikely they'll have NSIS Portable (odd dependency). 05:41:34 Hmm... NSIS or PAI'll both have it... 05:42:29 It's pretty simple really, just check if the parameters start with /shortcut or something, and then have an NSIS script it compiles, and use a couple of environment variables (and then use them in the script as $%JavaPortableBuildName% - compile time) to specify the name and JAR path, and it runs JavaPortableLauncher.exe... 05:44:22 I reckon it's worth while doing so end users can have it appear in the platform. 05:45:06 well, you really wouldn't have to have it compile anything. it could create it as a simple appinfo.ini thing 05:45:20 may be a sep thing in the platform, though, for adding java apps 05:45:39 Would the platform show it... can it do command line arguments? 05:47:09 it could 05:47:10 While I like things being built into the platform, I personally use them from the command line normally; a separate EXE would facilitate that, but most won't, and having it completely integrated would be easier. 05:47:16 Can it now though? 05:49:02 it's really a lower priority. our main goal is having apps packaged as PAF 05:49:10 Yes :-) 05:49:13 so providing more tools around it kinda goes against that 05:49:44 Can you have a StartN=JavaPortableLauncher.exe \PortableApps\Something\Else.jar? 05:50:51 it could be updated to do it. 05:50:56 OK 05:50:58 but honestly, i'd rather get things in PAF 05:51:11 Me too, very definitely. 05:51:11 and i'm not concious enough to properly consider it atm 05:51:25 Go to sleep - 2am is much too late :-) 05:51:51 drop me an email summarizing, please 05:52:07 About making launchers for it? 05:52:19 Using AppInfo or NSIS? 05:52:51 both 05:52:58 OK, will do :-) 05:53:08 we'll see what works 05:53:11 for now, bed 05:53:13 K 05:53:13 gnight all 05:53:21 goodnight John :-) 05:53:46 Thanks for your hard work today :-) 05:54:18 ChrisMorgan: about the gVim icon, you could use the ones from the crystal set. 05:54:25 here's the 128x one: http://cubegames.net/taneth/uploads/gvim.png 05:54:28 What are they like? 05:54:38 EEEK! 05:54:45 *** Zarggg has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05:54:46 KERNEL PANIC! 05:54:51 NOOOOO!! 05:55:21 ooh... a Rackspace guy commented on your thread, John 05:57:00 lulz, conspiracy freak: http://portableapps.com/node/19780 05:57:48 HypnoToad: beware, he may read logs :P 05:57:59 ...uh oh. 05:58:02 RUUNNN! 05:58:16 You do so if you wish, I'm staying here :-) 06:00:13 so what do you think of the crystal gvim icon? 06:00:23 I think it's garish 06:00:29 ...to put it nicely 06:00:40 The V is meant to be /grey/, not blue. 06:01:17 TunnelVision Portable doesn't have the original icon, or PuTTY for that matter. 06:01:28 So? 06:01:39 the same could be applied to gVim. 06:02:00 as in a different icon for the launcher and splash compared to the actual exe 06:02:00 But why, when you've got a perfectly good, albeit not 256x256, icon? 06:02:21 hmmm? 06:03:03 I can't see any reason to use other than the official one. 06:03:25 didn't you say that it "wasn't all that nice"? 06:03:56 The EPS isn't all that nice. But it's the official one, and much better than the Crystal one. 06:04:04 So for the splash, that'll be what it gets. 06:04:33 * HypnoToad thinks that the crystal one looks better... 06:05:05 I s'pose you'd also think that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vim_gloss_128.png is nicer? 06:05:10 That's what you get with MacVim. 06:05:11 gnight all 06:05:13 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps () 06:05:54 but thats MacVim, not gVim. 06:06:20 So? :D 06:07:20 *shrug* 06:07:38 either way, they still look better than the windows 3.1 feel of the current icon 06:07:44 * ChrisMorgan likes the ordinary Vim logo :-) 06:07:58 You take a look at it in the taskbar, it really looks better than many. 06:11:14 I refuse to run any form of vi because of its confusing command setup, plus I prefer nano, emacs and notepad++ 06:11:31 I like Vim :-) 06:11:41 It's not confusing once you get used to it :-) 06:12:11 .gc vi manual 06:12:11 vi manual: 3,090,000 06:12:16 .gc emacs manual 06:12:17 emacs manual: 164,000 06:12:25 HAH! 06:12:26 ;-) 06:12:34 The tutorial it has is good enough. 06:12:38 yes thats right, more people need a manual to use vi than emacs 06:12:58 ...whoops :P 06:13:22 Seriously, emacs is more confusing with its constant Control this Control that stuff. 06:14:38 There's no denying that emacs has distinction - why, some of the biggest and worst security bugs ever have been in emacs. 06:14:45 ButgVim is for me :-) 06:14:49 *But Vim 06:15:07 *** Zarggg (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) has joined #portableapps 06:17:05 "[book pulisher] O'Reilly says that its Vim tutorial sells twice as many copies as for Emacs. This has been taken by some to suggest that around twice as many individuals prefer Vim over Emacs. However, others suggest this simply means that those who use Emacs do not need additional help." - end quote, wikipedia. 06:17:11 =P 06:17:35 I suggest the former, and I believe that it's true, as well. 06:18:17 I suggest the latter, and I believe that it's true, as well. 06:18:34 I reckon that for beginners, they're both completely bamboozling :-) 06:19:14 * HypnoToad wonders why the java portable installer is 14mb... 06:19:30 I've wondered that too. I haven't had an answer from John yet though. 06:20:31 any thoughts on this comment? http://portableapps.com/node/19780#comment-121881 06:21:22 I still don't see how it's possible; ask him for screenshots of it. 06:21:36 And suggest he scan the computer with anti-malware software 06:22:47 * HypnoToad has no clue what he's talking about, but chances are PEBKAC 06:25:22 Quite possibly. 06:26:16 * HypnoToad wonders why it took ChrisMorgan to reply... =D 06:27:31 HypnoToad: Traceback: GrammarError in your statement 06:28:11 silly vim, not being able to handle errors without some form of traceback needed. or is that just victorians? =P 06:28:25 That's Python. 06:29:06 python is just as annoying, always complaining about indents. 06:29:19 That's *good*, not bad. 06:30:37 I find it annoying. You can't use brackets (unlike other languages), and it freaks out every time you indent something differently to the rest. 06:31:46 It's good because it means that all Python code will look the same stylistically, rather than line breaks and braces all over the place... 06:31:56 It's actually easier to read, studies show. 06:32:26 (I studied my brothers Jon and Ben, he said so :P... nah, they are real studies.) 06:33:44 but C(++), AHK, Basic, etc. can all also look consistently the same, and most modern editors that support code folding make it easier to use braces 06:35:09 taffin*holidays=-grammar 06:35:48 Can, but don't ever. 06:36:29 it depends on the programmer. 06:36:32 if(c){,if (c){, if(c) {, if (c) {, or new lines before the {, with it then either not indented more, or indented more, etc... 06:37:17 Each programmer may be internally consistent, but different ones do it different ways. 07:19:07 Hmm. Should I renew nascent-project.org or just screw with everyone and see how much fun we all have? 07:24:41 I say make 'em pay for the renewal =P 07:28:41 I say make 'em pay for the hosting. :-P 07:28:47 I don't use it (yet). :-P 07:29:07 * HypnoToad sees a pretty penny to be made 07:29:11 Haha. 07:29:28 NO NO. I'll make the downloaders pay. :-P 07:29:35 ...uh oh. 07:29:36 How awful would that be? :-) 07:29:39 RUUUNNN! 07:29:46 Redirect them to PayPal upon download. :-P 07:56:15 *** Gizmokid2005 (n=Gizmokid@75-134-112-128.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 07:56:17 Gizmokid2005 is the engaged man - who'll be the married man on 3/20/10! 07:57:45 *** PatrickPatience has quit ("Leaving.") 08:01:31 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08:03:19 ohai Gizmokid2005 08:03:47 so you won't be Gizmokid2005 , but Gizmofather2006 =P 08:04:39 What exactly is the history of the "Gizmokid2005" name? 08:09:51 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|away 08:38:38 *** ChrisMorgan|away is now known as ChrisMorgan 08:41:00 *** SteveLamerton (n=SteveLam@1.21.pn.adsl.brightview.com) has joined #portableapps 08:41:18 Hello all :) 08:42:40 Hey Steve :-) 08:43:05 "How is things?" 08:43:41 (Quote from Owl in the *real* Winnie the Pooh - i.e. the original book :D) 08:43:43 Not too bad, need for beta testers, but that always happens ;) 08:43:53 *more, not for 08:44:07 "Dreadful and bad," replies Pooh, "for Eeyore, who is a great friend of mine has lost his tail." 08:44:52 A. A. Milne wasnt it? 08:44:54 I saw that... I reckon that with Toucan you don't really need them terribly much, they'll kick up a rumpus if there are any dreadful problems. 08:44:59 Yuppity :-) 08:45:03 Good book realyl. 08:45:04 *really 08:45:50 And they certainly do kick up a fuss ;) Andway this release being bugfixes ought to be ok I would have thought... 08:46:24 Just ping John about it and out it goes :-) 08:47:09 Yeah, I think I will, better to get it out and leave it languishing in the forums! 08:47:22 Absolutely. 08:47:58 So how are things with you? 08:48:07 Dreadful and bad :D 08:48:10 Fine I think 08:48:24 Excellent ;) 08:49:09 I must say it is good to see all of the new releases :) 08:49:44 Yes 08:50:19 It's just a pity about the rackspace issue today/yesterday (depending on where one is), especially as it's delayed the PortableApps.com Launcher. 08:51:07 Yes, that is very annoying :( How is the launcher going, it looked very impressive when I took a quick look? 08:53:17 John's done more work on it, I'm due to be the first to see it but haven't done so yet. 08:53:27 John's done more work on it, I'm due to be the first to see it but haven't done so yet. 08:53:40 Sorry 08:53:46 Ahhh ok :) 08:54:04 Take a look at the channel logs for a few hours ago if you're interested. 08:54:12 Java Portable discussion interspersed. 08:54:52 Ok, thanks 08:55:00 *** BjornH (n=BjornH@90-227-131-75-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 08:57:02 *** simon__ (i=db579fa2@gateway/web/freenode/x-1ba2bf1891a664eb) has joined #portableapps 08:57:21 Hello simon__, can we help you? 08:57:35 yes thank you 08:57:47 Please ask away :-) 08:57:56 i have installed FF3.5 RC 08:58:44 but when i was going to install adobe plash player 08:58:50 i failed 08:59:10 Ah. Most plugins won't be compatible with Firefox 3.5. 08:59:51 A better place to ask for application specific things is there own places; in this case, irc://irc.mozilla.org/firefox 09:00:03 is there any version of flash player compatible with FF3.5? 09:00:30 I don't believe it's compatible, but I'm not certain. 09:00:37 Can you use the irc:// link? 09:00:43 If not, try http://mibbit.com/#firefox@irc.mozilla.org 09:01:08 I have a working copy here, but it is on a local copy, not a portable one, what error do you get simon__ ? 09:01:20 ok i log in succcessfully 09:02:25 i failed instsalling adobe plash player on FF3.5 09:03:06 simon__: I've already asked for you in the firefox channel 09:03:07 Did you try this: http://portableapps.com/node/15501 09:03:54 no 09:04:04 i'll try this right now 09:04:04 That makes it a lot easier :) 09:04:26 Yeah, it's worthwhile trying. It's not updated to the latest specs, maybe we should remind John about it. 09:04:51 It should work just fine though if it's compatible. It may be able to give you a definitive answer. 09:05:55 Interesting, a guy in mozilla#firefox "would be ridiculously surprised if they weren't", and says that "3.5 final is like this morning, though, FYI". 09:06:58 *** simon__ has quit ("Page closed") 09:07:23 *** simon__ (i=db579fa2@gateway/web/freenode/x-8828a1cfb90523b8) has joined #portableapps 09:13:33 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|away 09:18:01 *** simon__ has quit ("Page closed") 09:19:41 *** MaienM|Sleep is now known as MaienM 09:23:34 Hello MaienM 09:23:48 hello SteveLamerton 09:23:51 whats up? 09:24:49 Not much, just about to start work on a big patch for wxWidgets, not completely sure I know what I am doing though ;) With you? 09:25:37 just had two tests at school, and have a bit of time to slack of now 09:25:52 next important test is thursday :) 09:26:55 Ahhh ok, my exams finished last week :D I am now on holiday until the end of september ;) 09:27:34 nice :) 09:27:47 I still have some this week and next monday 09:28:01 and I HAVE to do well on (some) of them 09:28:08 Well good luck :) 09:28:32 thanks, I'll need it :P 09:29:55 what are you making a patch for for wxWidgets? 09:31:22 I am rearranging the xrc system. At the moment it has too many dependancies! 09:31:59 I never really got the xrc system.... altho I haven't spend too much time trying to get it 09:33:01 I tried, it would speed up compilation a lot for Toucan if the dialogs weren't in the code files, but it didnt support some of the stuff I wanted because they dont want to add any more dependancies! 09:34:39 well, good luck with that.... on a side note, any news on (the plans for) toucan for linux? 09:35:49 Yeah, I plan to work on it as soon as the next version is out :) (Which I will probably send to John later on today) 09:36:03 yay :D 09:37:24 how much work do you estimate there has to be done for it to work? do you have to rewrite a lot or is most cross-system already? 09:38:53 It is pretty much all ready as far as I know, sync should work straight off, backup I will need to tell to use p7zip instead of 7zip and for secure I just need to grab the linux exe, then there are a few other bits and pieces, probably a couple of days work 09:42:26 nice :) 09:53:13 *** Horusofoz (n=Administ@219-90-138-214.ip.adam.com.au) has joined #portableapps 09:53:23 Hi guys 09:53:30 Hi Horusofoz 09:54:23 Anyone know how you disable an autoplay option? My brother messed with my pc and Nero is opening evrey time an audio cd is inserted ; ( 09:54:36 What os? 09:55:06 XP 09:55:12 XP SP3 09:56:09 I think you go to My Computer, right click on the drive and there is a tab called autoplay 09:58:08 Thanks SteveLamerton :) I just spent last 30 minutes Googling and only could find registry direct changes and didn't want to mess with that :) 09:58:25 Definitely not, and no problem :) 10:00:21 SteveLamerton: Are you likely to make any more changes to Toucan b4 release? 10:00:45 Nah, I might just send it off later, better to just get a release out I think 10:00:58 Has anyone here use Trellian Webpage? 10:01:07 Not I 10:06:15 .g trellian 10:06:16 HypnoToad: http://www.trellian.com/ 10:12:06 Just installed it (Requires an email for serial to install though it is freeware:( ) And looks good. Uses a Word 2007 cloned interface 10:12:59 Trellian uses a RIBBON! IT'S EVIL! ;-) 10:13:03 *** ChrisMorgan|away is now known as ChrisMorgan 10:13:06 Just back :P 10:13:18 LOL 10:14:48 Have you looked at it but? 10:15:04 ChrisMorgan: And the ribbon's not that bad :p 10:15:46 I looked at it day before yesterday. I didn't try it. 10:16:18 Ribbon-phobia :p 10:17:30 Every open-source person's got to have it ;-) 10:17:57 * SteveLamerton likes the ribbon 10:18:30 Though it took a bit of getting used to I think the ribbon is a step forward. I hop OO.org incorporate it 10:18:38 * ChrisMorgan thinks that "There is a time and a place for a ribbon"; on a cat in a cat-show is one valid time and place combination. 10:18:46 I really don't have much of an opinion. 10:20:14 Would that be valid for all wysiwyg's? 10:20:33 I don't know :P 10:20:48 I haven't tried Trellian WebPage at all. I may do though. 10:22:05 Well I think it seems pretty good from the 2 minutes just tested :p I like the familiar interface but I'll wait for reviews from some more informed users (IE you) if its good I'll probably request :) 10:22:27 Oh, why not. I'll try it out. 10:23:24 Note that they don't have a hope of making it to the official list the way they do it now, I reckon. 10:23:37 with the serial? 10:23:56 Yeah 10:24:21 Hmm... Java, eh? 10:24:53 Java? 10:25:14 It's got "Java" on its welcome/finished page of its installer, anyway 10:27:53 CRIKEY!! 10:28:27 hunh? 10:28:29 Just did the uninstall with Revo and it found 5859 registry items left over after the built in uninstaller finished!! 10:30:11 Hmm... it's got a pretty complete creation wizard. 10:30:18 Which is unusual. 10:34:00 If that is a negative can't one opt out of the wizard? 10:34:33 It's a positive. And one can, there's a button on the first page saying "don't show me this again". 10:34:38 Also anyone tried this - http://htmltools.sourceforge.net/ 10:35:01 Once you've gone thru the wizard are the options still editable eg the CSS? 10:35:11 I haven't got that far :P 10:35:34 It's fairly rough around the edges with a fresh installation, e.g. MRU list is empty and thus ugly, and the page editing area is also uggerley, but I'll see what it's like when I get to actually using it... 10:36:12 I like the way with Blue Griffon you can easily set up columns with YUI; personally I wouldn't use that other than in a mockup, but it's a very useful feature for amateurs. 10:38:07