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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01:31:10 Hi, I have a question. As an application service provider, my company would like to utilize PortableApps as a source of pre-packaged apps that can easily be deployed to end users. Are there any licensing issues that we should be aware of, or does GNU GPL v2 cover this scenario? I'm not as versed in open source licensing as I would like to be. 01:32:44 According to GPL, all portable apps we use will be provided to end users free of charge licensing-wise, but the users will be charged a couple bucks a month for the hardware resources the apps use. 01:34:21 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:38:11 *** kdavyd has quit ("Page closed") 01:41:50 *** BlinkyToon has quit ("Ex-Chat") 01:55:22 *** excid3 has quit ("Leaving.") 02:21:19 *** Oni-Neoxes (n=Oni-Neox@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 02:21:55 *** troll_ (n=irchon@h130.66.82.166.ip.windstream.net) has joined #portableapps 02:23:59 *** troll_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:51:28 *** abc528 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:51:46 *** abc528 (n=abc528@lns-bzn-23-82-248-78-215.adsl.proxad.net) has joined #portableapps 03:11:57 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit ("I QUIT D:<") 03:20:45 Mmm, I'm already liking what I see with TB :) 03:22:54 *** pa_9544 (i=443a40fc@gateway/web/freenode/x-hkvmrznthqldlysm) has joined #portableapps 03:23:30 hello pa_9544, what can we do for you? 03:24:57 hello 03:25:08 sorry trying to figure it out 03:26:09 I'm trying to find out how I can set up a password block for access to my portable apps flash drive, similar to the U3 03:27:13 BTW thanks for the help @Gizmokid2005 03:27:38 yw pa_9544, at the present there is no encryption similar to that of U3 03:27:55 the next release of the menu will have a type of password protection, but not true encryption such as that in U3. 03:28:33 ok is there any way to set up a password for anyone trying to use mozilla from my flash drive? 03:30:11 not really 03:33:13 I see. Thanks again for the help! 03:33:43 *** Chazz has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:34:01 yw pa_9544 03:34:07 sorry I couldn't help more. 03:34:27 *** pa_9544 has quit ("Page closed") 03:45:48 *** PatrickPatience (n=Patrick@unaffiliated/patrickpatience) has joined #portableapps 03:54:05 *** Chazz (n=Chazz@unaffiliated/dabomb69) has joined #portableapps 03:57:33 hey Gizmokid2005 link spam here: http://portableapps.com/node/16879#comment-124884 ? 03:58:52 not really sure Chazz 03:59:03 probably not though 03:59:05 the rent a car thing... 03:59:11 OH 03:59:13 I didn't see that 03:59:16 I thought you were talking about the next one 03:59:23 THAT one is 03:59:30 oh, no, that one makes since, the rent a car is spam 04:00:04 removed it 04:00:27 yay :) 04:00:49 hey, the nonspam link uses PA.c format for it's portable version :D 04:02:07 erm, at least is uses PA.c apps 04:06:07 only 28 DLs of SBP so far. 04:06:12 for DT3 04:06:32 that's not bad 04:07:20 yeah, considering it was posted today, doesn't really surprise me. 04:08:57 JohnTHaller, this one shld probally be moved to off topic or general, it's in request and is deffinately not a request: http://portableapps.com/node/20229 04:09:25 Gizmokid2005, good job on the DL count :) 04:10:37 JohnTHaller: what is under that guys' skin? 04:10:54 he's been negative/pissy in just about EVERY post I've EVER read that's his... 04:11:47 Gizmokid2005, i've seen 1 post that he wasn't like that in, and thats 1 out of all the posts he 04:11:50 s posted in 04:14:54 Yeah, I know. Not sure what's up with nim 04:14:56 him 04:33:16 *** excid3 (n=Chris@dial-66-51-190-50.irtc.net) has joined #portableapps 04:45:32 *** PatrickPatience has parted #portableapps ("Leaving.") 04:50:48 well, I'm off to bed. g'night ya'll 04:51:03 night Gizmokid2005 04:51:12 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 04:52:30 same here... gnight 04:52:32 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps () 05:02:32 *** drag|away (i=newdrago@cpe-071-068-073-045.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 05:02:32 *** dragonmage has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:06:36 *** abc528 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:07:15 *** abc528 (n=abc528@lns-bzn-29-82-248-234-97.adsl.proxad.net) has joined #portableapps 05:14:15 *** drag|away is now known as dragonmage 06:08:08 *** dragonmage is now known as drag|zzZZ 06:32:07 *** excid3 has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06:34:18 *** Suiseiseki has quit ("Read error: 409 (connection not clean, using Formula 409 to clean up connection)") 06:56:19 *** sancas (n=sancas@190.87.241.39) has joined #portableapps 06:56:45 *** sancas has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:07:06 *** BjornH (n=Bjorn@90-227-131-75-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 07:16:31 *** BjornH has quit ("Leaving") 07:24:02 *** BjornH (n=Bjorn@90-227-131-75-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 09:09:55 *** Pericius (n=chatzill@87.252.131.115) has joined #portableapps 09:10:07 Hello Pericius 09:10:19 hi ya all 09:11:22 anyone managed to get custom enviroment variables work in console portable? 09:11:54 umm... not sure, i don't use that... sry 09:12:34 is there any other terminal app i could use? 09:13:01 not yet :( 09:41:31 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:46:16 *** Pericius is now known as Guest5806 10:00:33 *** Guest5806 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:09:53 *** HypnoToad (n=TaffinFo@121.217.229.42) has joined #portableapps 10:10:13 yay, pabot is back! 10:10:13 *** ChrisMorgan (n=Chris@c114-76-46-28.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #portableapps 10:10:42 ohai ChrisMorgan 10:10:50 ohai HypnoToad 10:12:35 * ChrisMorgan wishes he had been here when John was discussing Python, wxWidgets and all sorts of related things... he could have answered all the questions asked very clearly due to experience with BPBible 10:13:53 meh 10:14:13 No-one in at the time knew the real answers. 10:14:24 * ChrisMorgan wonders now whether he should do Mono Portable. 10:17:42 But wait, you [should] say, what about those patent issues? 10:18:34 Come on, say it! 10:20:30 *** BjornH has quit ("Leaving") 10:20:54 *** BjornH (n=BjornH@90-227-131-75-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 10:21:41 wait, there's patent issues? 10:22:01 Novell were the only ones allowed to distribute it, by special license. 10:22:09 To do with the Common Language Interface, and C# 10:22:29 then we just don't do it on PA.c, unless we talk to Novell and find some loophole 10:22:32 But anyway, you say "Erk! You can't redistribute it!" I respond, Oh yeah? Think again... http://www.mono-project.com/news/archive/2009/Jul-06-1.html :-) 10:22:49 It was Microsoft that was restricting it. 10:23:12 *** Bjorn_H (n=BjornH@90-227-131-75-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 10:23:16 * HypnoToad googles for MonoPortable_Development_Test_1_English.paf.exe.torrent 10:23:41 :P 10:25:12 It'd be a CommonFiles thing. 10:25:17 yeah 10:25:22 *** Chazz has quit (Connection timed out) 10:25:33 but on that aspect so could Qt, Perl, Python, Ruby and GTK 10:25:43 To varying degrees. 10:25:45 but since Mono is large it would have to be 10:25:53 Mono is one which can /really/ be common. 10:27:05 ah, but what if an app needs a specific version, or an additional module? 10:27:46 That won't be the case. Not the way it works. 10:28:03 With GTK that's a nightmare; with Mono there's no need for it to work that way. 10:28:45 meh 10:28:56 then go ahead and stop talking about it 10:29:22 btw, inkscape 0.47 out yet? 10:31:02 .news 10:31:18 No. 10:31:32 But the last issue got a patch committed for it a couple of days ago :-) 10:31:48 And I've committed a few patches myself now that I've got SVN commit for it :-) 10:32:17 reckon Rainmeter is ready for a DT yet? 10:32:30 http://code.google.com/p/rainmeter 10:32:34 I don't know. Can't even remember what it is :P 10:32:56 its a desktop customisation utility 10:33:07 Lifehacker <3 rainmeter 10:33:32 bbl 10:33:46 It's a bit of a nuisance when such a site takes a fancy to a particular bit of software... 10:34:31 *** PatrickPatience (n=Patrick@bas22-toronto12-2925003750.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #portableapps 10:36:22 Hey PatrickPatience 10:36:33 *** PatrickPatience has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:39:15 *** BjornH has quit (Nick collision from services.) 10:39:23 *** Bjorn_H has quit ("Leaving") 10:39:37 *** BjornH (n=BjornH@90-227-131-75-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 10:44:29 *** jnw222 (n=jnw222@64-18-122-30.adsl.catt.com) has joined #portableapps 10:53:53 *** Horusofoz (n=Administ@219-90-225-232.ip.adam.com.au) has joined #portableapps 10:54:55 Ello Ello Ello :) 10:55:45 Hey does anyone know if you can save your passwords in Thunderbird Portable without it leaving the password on the host computer when shutdown? 10:56:10 It doesn't, does it? 10:56:16 It definitely /shouldn't/ 10:57:09 I thought a while back someone said not to save passwords in TBP and FFP because they would be left on the host pc? 10:57:19 Who? 10:57:22 Don't believe it. 10:57:27 We'd have fixed it if it were an issue. 10:58:09 Sweet :) I wish I knew that again - I've had to type 3 passwords into TBP at least twice a day for a year now :D :D :D 10:58:26 !? 10:58:38 Surely you have enough faith in our work? 10:59:14 Of course I have faith in PA.com but someone in this very room said it many months back 11:00:50 he was a spy >.> 11:01:00 he might of had a problem on his computer or a setting in the ThunderbirdPortable.ini file 11:01:53 Well I'm happy its not an issue. Seems its not so dumb to ask a seemingly silly question again after a while to clarify :) 11:02:01 yeah 11:11:24 *** jnw222 has quit ("Leaving.") 11:22:53 Thanks ChrisMorgan:) 11:23:38 *** Twinkletoes|W (n=chatzill@izb6d318.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 11:24:25 *** Horusofoz has parted #portableapps () 11:27:51 ChrisMorgan: Do you think that it would be possible to write a mail (POP3/SMTP) client in AHK? 11:28:06 BLERK!? 11:28:13 HypnoToad: WHY? 11:28:39 Boredom, and lack of a current project now that manta didn't take off (or swim) 11:28:53 I just haven't got to doing much with it yet. 11:28:59 PyQt is what I'm going with I think. 11:29:13 Just finishing sorting out Inkscape first. 11:29:33 Inkscape Portable is now ready to go with 0.47 when it gets out. 11:29:42 The GTK file chooser got fixed by Adib. 11:30:30 I think that more work on trying to get Manta to go is next on my list (other than schoolwork... some English work of which I am doing now...) 11:30:59 =D 11:32:09 I want it to work, mainly just because the closest that I've seen to what I think it /should/ be like is a muddled open/closed source solution, which doesn't work very well and looks like a 3.1 application (literally). 11:32:29 *** Twinkletoes|W is now known as Guest9296 11:32:56 *** Twinkletoes|W_ (n=chatzill@izb6d318.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 11:33:23 *** Twinkletoes|W_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:33:28 I really don't like the approach of XAMPP terribly much, too bloated for ordinary users. 11:35:51 The way I'm planning on doing it, you get your package manager for each individual package, all the usual Synaptic-type stuff (in fact I'm going to be checking up on how Synaptic does it... time to test it out again...), but also have preset package groups - so you can, for example, select "XAMPP" and it'll get all the packages XAMPP includes. 11:36:21 seems good. any progress on the package structure? 11:36:34 XML would be good for storing info 11:36:36 No, I'm getting the UI together first for some reason. 11:36:43 I've been thinking about it. 11:37:00 Serialized Python objects is another way. 11:37:12 I'm leaning more towards just plain Python scripts though. 11:37:16 or you could make a propietry format and use that without releasing the specs 11:37:23 =P 11:37:59 *** Twinkletoes|W (n=chatzill@izb6d318.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 11:38:01 I could probably learn a lot from how Synaptic does it. In fact I think I'll restart in Ubuntu before continuing on any further with it. 11:39:13 hmm 11:39:49 Anyway, only got 10 minutes more tonight, must work on my essay. 11:42:36 Just comparing the screenshots at http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/action.html ... what I've got is the list view at the top, description at the bottom, but below that a bar with a dropdown containing "all packages", "installed packages" etc. on the left and a "finalise changes" button on the right. More compact. 11:42:45 *** Twinkletoes|W is now known as Guest47339 11:43:08 *** Twinkletoes|W_ (n=chatzill@izb6d318.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 11:43:15 The properties thing is something I haven't implemented at all or thought about. Good idea though. 11:43:47 *** Twinkletoes|W_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:44:14 I prefer the "alternative layout", merging the properties thing into the description area. 11:45:13 Must also look at the way it handles multiple versions of things, e.g. Apache you'd want to offer 1.3, 2.0, 2.2, PHP you'd want to offer 4 and 5, etc. 11:45:45 *** Guest9296 has quit (Connection timed out) 11:46:30 HypnoToad: do I get the impression you'd like to help? 11:46:50 *** Guest47339 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:47:24 I went back to my AHK POP3 lib. 11:47:31 :/ 11:47:48 Crazy. Quite seriously, what's the point? 11:48:25 I don't really need a point in the majority of things I do. 11:48:33 Then why do it? 11:48:41 Why not work on something more useful? 11:48:46 where's the point in manta? there's already 5-6 WAMP packages out there already 11:48:54 define useful 11:48:56 More. 11:49:05 And they're all missing a very important thing - flexibility. 11:49:14 .g define:useful 11:49:15 ChrisMorgan: No results found for 'define:useful'. 11:49:26 It can't cope with define: things :P 11:49:39 .def useful 11:49:41 HypnoToad: Database error occurred 11:49:49 .def pabott 11:49:50 .def pabot 11:49:50 HypnoToad: Database error occurred 11:49:51 HypnoToad: Database error occurred 11:49:56 uh oh. 11:50:01 Wiktionary: Having a practical or beneficial use 11:50:10 Manta will have that. 11:50:30 An AutoHotkey POP3 library... I can't think of any practical or beneficial use, but I'm quite willing to hear one. 11:50:38 it could be used to automate POP mail collection. noone said it had to be a basic library :P 11:51:01 It'd be slow if it did much - AutoHotkey isn't fast for anything like that. 11:51:10 What's wrong with e.g. Thunderbird? 11:51:34 takes too long to start, and it lags for me 11:51:45 OK, the Gmail web interface? 11:51:53 besides, I may port it to C++ someday 11:52:08 I don't usually have access to firefox, so a client is preferred 11:52:28 plus I'm interested in the protocols and want an excuse to mess around with them 11:52:47 Waal, I can't stop you :P 11:52:59 who's Waal? 11:53:01 =P 12:05:52 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:06:52 *** HypnoToad has quit ("BYE.") 12:11:00 *** Bjorn_H (n=BjornH@90-227-131-75-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 12:11:00 *** BjornH has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:14:52 *** Twinkletoes|W (n=chatzill@izb6d318.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 12:31:42 *** drag|zzZZ is now known as dragonmage 12:37:28 *** gluxon (n=gluxon@c-71-234-109-246.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 12:44:01 *** Twinkletoes|W is now known as Guest74175 12:44:22 *** Twinkletoes|W_ (n=chatzill@izb6d318.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 12:46:20 *** Twinkletoes|W_ is now known as Twinkletoes|W 12:56:27 *** Guest74175 has quit (Success) 13:28:00 *** Oni-Neoxes (i=Oni-Neox@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 13:43:13 *** pa_0910 (i=c1dbbebd@gateway/web/freenode/x-atrdivbbtagpfygl) has joined #portableapps 13:43:33 hello 13:44:32 I have a problem with portableapps, is anybody "alive" here? :) 13:46:28 *** pa_0910 has quit (Client Quit) 13:46:37 *** pa_6327 (i=c1dbbebd@gateway/web/freenode/x-bxkgmxjcwlpdrziu) has joined #portableapps 13:48:10 *** gluxon has quit ("Leaving.") 13:49:30 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:49:33 Hello pa_6327, How can we help you today 13:52:34 I've been using these programs but most of the programs don't save any changes made to them e.g. I downloaded SRware iron run it modified options and imported bookmarks 13:53:50 I never really tried out SRware iron but I'm not really sure it saves settings 13:54:20 but when i restart the program it is "fresh" again i.e. no bookmarks or changes to the options, and I was noticing this behaviour with all portabble apps i was using so far ; it is very annoyingg - is there any quick way to change this? 13:54:40 on All portableapps. That's strange 13:55:38 is there any "centralized" switch to instruct the app NOT to abandom changes? 13:56:20 Have you tried reinstalling the apps? 13:57:11 I have never seen this problem at all except with SRware Iron really. 13:58:49 i see no point oin doing that because those portables are like fresh install everytime i try to use them - the same happened with openoffice when I was using it but then I abandomed using portabble apps completely simp[ly because of this " bug" 14:01:07 i use apps from portablleturk.com, but i get the feeling that they contain spyware, and portableapps would be more reliable source for apps and also more frequently updated but i don't know how to disable this behavour of not saving settings at all 14:04:42 I'm not completely sure why the portableapps aren't saving settings at all. 14:05:07 *** pa_6327 has quit ("Page closed") 14:05:24 *** pa_4177 (i=c1dbbebd@gateway/web/freenode/x-ippodswifdkuarhh) has joined #portableapps 14:06:12 ah finally - i've donloaded firefox 3.5.2 and it asked me whether to store changes or not before first run 14:06:26 ah. 14:06:33 *** excid3 (n=Chris@dial-66-51-190-12.irtc.net) has joined #portableapps 14:06:46 Good morning excid3 14:07:03 howdy 14:09:21 i wonder if the problem then applies only to srware iron and open office ? what do you do on iron ? 14:10:24 I tried importing bookmarks and saving passwords on it, I used it for media since it's faster than Firefox. Next time I opened Iron all my bookmarks/passwords were gone. 14:11:43 yeah i wonder if there's any "workaround" or any other fork of chrome by portable apps because i would disllike abandoming chrome 14:14:57 I'm searching but as far as I can tell there isn't one yet 14:16:03 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit ("I QUIT D:<") 14:16:19 *** ZerFEr (n=ZerFEr@217.194.116.85.dsl.manitu.net) has joined #portableapps 14:17:00 other gues on the forum seem to have the same problem as far as i can see thus i am surprised there's no way to fix it 14:18:20 *** excid3 has quit ("Leaving.") 14:28:29 donloaded portable fromium instead thanks for your help, bye bye :) 14:32:39 *** pa_4177 has quit ("Page closed") 14:42:24 *** Gizmokid2005 (n=Gizmokid@75-134-112-128.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 15:29:14 *** Suiseiseki (n=desudesu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 15:29:38 *** Twinkletoes|W (n=chatzill@izb6d318.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 15:31:26 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:31:43 *** kai_62656 (n=unknown@68-118-64-169.dhcp.crsn.ca.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 15:41:08 *** Twinkletoes|W (n=chatzill@izb6d318.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 16:14:23 *** excid3 (n=Chris@dial-66-51-190-48.irtc.net) has joined #portableapps 16:18:54 *** sancas (n=sancas@190.87.241.39) has joined #portableapps 16:43:46 *** kai_62656 has quit ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 17:03:01 *** dragonmage has quit ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )") 17:12:59 *** SrgSiler|Sleep is now known as SergentSiler 17:19:53 *** Res2216firestar (n=chatzill@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 17:26:09 *** andreasma (n=andi@p4FE35532.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 17:41:29 *** palogbot (n=palogbot@delawarepark.safesecureweb.com) has joined #portableapps 17:41:29 Topic for #portableapps is: Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. Visit us at http://portableapps.com/ | If you need assistance, just say "help!", or ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. | Please keep things polite and avoid any discussions of illegal software | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | Please do not PM anyone without prior permission. | SF CCA Wins: http://portableapps.com/node/20079 17:41:29 Users on #portableapps: palogbot andreasma Res2216firestar sancas excid3 Twinkletoes|W Suiseiseki @Gizmokid2005 ZerFEr Bjorn_H abc528 SergentSiler Whibo +ZachThibeau +pabot Zarggg StatBot tarbo dbdii407 Bensawsome 17:41:50 omg did iactually do it right o_O? 17:42:33 *** JohnTHaller (n=JohnTHal@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 17:42:33 palogbot, uri 17:42:33 http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2009-08-06#T17-42-33 17:42:38 hola 17:42:40 hi john 18:03:28 howdy JohnTHaller 18:04:15 how goes it? 18:04:58 ohh not much, trying to compile mupen64plus on windows, so far the actual emu is compiled but it's plugins is a different story 18:06:03 I've also been testing some dev tests too from the betatest forums 18:06:18 ah nice 18:07:22 I'm still settling into my new part-time office 18:07:33 very nice 18:07:50 if you're curious where, check the contact info on the PA.c site :-) 18:07:59 sure :) 18:08:21 hello JohnTHaller :) 18:08:25 howdy 18:09:12 JohnTHaller: on my thread, if I launch pidgin-portable.exe directly (i'm not worried about registry and files), and use the -c and -d options, to use my portable config, and debug, it works fine, in fact, that's hwo i'm running it now. 18:09:40 but if i use the exact same options I set in the launcher or in the .ini, when launching via command line, they work perfect. 18:09:46 I don't recall what other options we pass it... but I know we use some 18:09:51 yep 18:09:52 -c 18:09:57 I cehcked. 18:09:58 cool :D the empire state building awesome 18:10:00 *checked 18:10:07 Yeah. 52nd floor. 18:10:13 VERY nice JohnTHaller :) 18:10:24 Helped out the right non-profit with an RFP at the right time :-) 18:10:35 that's awesome! 18:10:41 very awesome 18:11:14 It's not much different from any other office building once you get to work, of course. The World Trade Center wasn't either when I used to work there. 18:11:44 I can imagine, from the inside it's the same old blah right? 18:11:53 and wow, you've been around haven't you JohnTHaller? :) 18:11:55 So, Gizmokid2005, any idea why Pidgin Portable has the issue based on looking at the launcher? 18:12:01 well I understand that much :P working in several court houses the layout and the offices are pretty much the same 18:12:38 JohnTHaller: I'm not sure, the only thing I can preliminarily see, is that when passing the -d switch, when the execstring is copied, it only pulls the -d, not the whole string....but then that doesn't make sense because the file is created where it should be...just no output 18:12:52 I think it might have something to do with the way that nsis exec's the program. 18:12:56 but I'm not too sure 18:13:13 Well, I've been working in NYC for 13 years now. Originally across the street from the WTC (the Deutschebank building, which is being torn down now). Then a block awayt\. Then WTC tower 2. Then home on 14th St in manhattan. Then home in Astoria. Now ESB. 18:13:51 Gizmokid2005: I kinda doubt it's NSIS Exec. We do all sorts of things with it. 18:14:06 JohnTHaller: that's cool. I couldn't do the NYC life, but it sounds like you enjoy it 18:14:14 and yeah, I doubt the nsis exec issue. 18:14:29 but if i run this string: I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\App\Pidgin\pidgin-portable.exe -c I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\Data\settings\.purple -n -d 2>&1 > T:\Logs\pidgin.log 18:14:31 in a batch file 18:14:35 it does exactly what it should 18:14:43 you know, lemme try somethign :D 18:14:52 Try that exact string as is in NSIS 18:15:08 Don't forget the quotes as needed (since there may be paths with spaces) 18:15:21 nope, I checked that for sure, they are all non-space paths 18:15:38 and if I change that line to use PidginPortable.exe instead of pidgin-portable.exe it goes back to the same problems. 18:15:50 I do all my development and testing in a path WITH spaces to ensure that all code works with it. What I'm saying is that Pidgin may not properly handle the quotes. 18:15:55 in fact, it wipes out my logs and writes the file new. 18:15:57 So you have to include them 18:16:00 Just to see 18:16:02 JohnTHaller: hmm, k 18:16:08 I 18:16:32 I've run into that one before with a few apps where they have internal issues dealing with double quotes. 18:17:10 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("back later") 18:18:36 k 18:18:41 i'm going to modify the launcher now, hang on 18:18:59 this has to make t-shooting a bit easier on you doesn't it JohnTHaller? lol 18:20:05 I noticed in your execstrings you have everything in quotes already, so maybe it makes a difference in the launcher. 18:20:33 StrCpy $EXECSTRING `"$PROGRAMDIRECTORY\$PROGRAMEXECUTABLE" -c "$SETTINGSDIRECTORY\.purple"` 18:20:33 StrCpy $EXECSTRING `$EXECSTRING -n -d "2>&1 > T:\Logs\pidgin.log"` 18:20:36 is that I'm changing 18:23:32 "I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\App\Pidgin\pidgin-porrtable.exe" -c "I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\Data\settings\.purple" -n -d "2>&1 > T:\Logs\pidgin.log" <-- that is the full current exec string. That causes the CMD to come up, and not go away, and nothing to be written in the pidgin.log file, in fact - it's not even created. 18:24:06 Should there be a " before the 2? 18:24:54 JohnTHaller: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/TipsForBugReports#ObtainingaDebugLog 18:25:03 not sure, but that's where the debug log example is for pidgin 18:25:09 I didn't use any quotes in my bat file 18:25:13 but I"ll move the quotes hang on 18:25:35 Yeah, the quotes are in the wrong place 18:25:46 -d 2>&1 > "%USERPROFILE%\debug.log" 18:25:48 if I put them before the T: 18:26:01 I get the same results 18:27:13 Use the same on the command line and in NSIS and compare back and fortrh. And by same and mean the exact same characters all the way through. Otherwise, maybe it's one of the env vars they don't like 18:27:32 sure 18:27:39 I'll copy exactly as I have in my bat file 18:27:45 I confirm that works 18:27:52 s/confirm/confirmed. 18:28:15 Ok, so exactly as in your bat file works? 18:28:20 yep 18:28:21 I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\App\Pidgin\pidgin-portable.exe -c I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\Data\settings\.purple -n -d 2>&1 > T:\Logs\pidgin.log 18:28:22 that 18:28:23 works fine 18:28:31 logs to that file, and doesn't show any command windows. 18:28:37 Ok, so maybe it's the quotes that it doesn't like in certain places 18:28:46 yeah, I'm going to remove the quotes now 18:28:49 and try that exact string. 18:30:25 nope, even with that EXACT string as the execstring in the nsis launcher it still doesn't create the file and it does show the command prompt 18:30:34 it's like it's ignoring the 2>&1 > 18:30:52 Hmm... try escaping the & just to see what happens 18:31:02 sure 18:31:16 $\ RIGHT? 18:31:19 sorry about the caps 18:31:31 DON'T YELL AT ME!! 18:31:39 I think so, yeah. 18:31:40 I said sorry :'( 18:31:53 2 warnings: 18:31:53 unknown variable/constant "\&1" detected, ignoring (I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\Other\Source\PidginPortable.nsi:276) 18:31:53 unknown variable/constant "\&1" detected, ignoring (I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\Other\Source\PidginPortable.nsi:282) 18:32:01 O_o 18:32:03 when I escape them. 18:32:16 ah 18:32:18 it uses the $ as a var instead of escaping :( 18:32:22 hmm... not sure what else it is 18:32:47 that is it, I used it in my SBP launcher or something, dragonmage was it? yesterday helped with that 18:32:51 it's supposed to be $\ 18:32:59 maybe $/ instead? 18:33:01 * Gizmokid2005 tries 18:33:08 read the docs :-P 18:33:15 but that's no fun :P 18:34:12 JohnTHaller: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Docs/Chapter4.html#4.2.4 18:34:16 *** Chazz (n=Chazz@unaffiliated/dabomb69) has joined #portableapps 18:34:24 actually it is especially if it's with c++ :D 18:34:44 The escape character is the back-slash character ("\") and the available escape sequences are: 18:34:44 18:34:44 "\\" Back-slash 18:34:44 "\r" Carriage return (ASCII 13) 18:34:44 "\n" Line feed (ASCII 10) 18:34:45 "\t" Tab (ASCII 9) 18:34:50 there we go, in the readme for InstallOptions? 18:34:53 http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Contrib/InstallOptions/Readme.html 18:35:17 *** palogbot (n=palogbot@delawarepark.safesecureweb.com) has joined #portableapps 18:35:17 Topic for #portableapps is: Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. Visit us at http://portableapps.com/ | If you need assistance, just say "help!", or ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. | Please keep things polite and avoid any discussions of illegal software | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | Please do not PM anyone without prior permission. | SF CCA Wins: http://portableapps.com/node/20079 18:35:17 Users on #portableapps: palogbot Chazz @JohnTHaller andreasma sancas Twinkletoes|W Suiseiseki @Gizmokid2005 ZerFEr Bjorn_H abc528 SergentSiler Whibo +ZachThibeau +pabot Zarggg StatBot tarbo dbdii407 Bensawsome 18:36:03 Hey, JohnTHaller you around atm? 18:36:19 why does palogbot keep dying >_>? 18:36:28 SergentSiler: just an issue with its' host 18:36:31 :/ 18:36:43 and JohnTHaller I tried $\ -- $/ -- \\ and they all don't work :( 18:37:23 yeah, it doesn't look like it should be escaped if it's parsing it fine when I MessageBox the $EXECSTRING 18:38:21 *** pabot has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:38:22 Auto-Message: GizmoBot join requested by the quit of pabot 18:38:22 *** GizmoBot (n=GizmoBot@75-134-112-128.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 18:38:24 GizmoBot is the official bot of #Gizmokid2005. 18:41:03 JohnTHaller: my batch file fails as soon as I put quotes around the exe...like so: "I:\PortableApps\PidginPortable\App\Pidgin\pidgin-portable.exe" 18:41:12 the quotes around the config path and the log path don't affect it. 18:49:14 *** omid (i=5c2a3395@gateway/web/freenode/x-teynghcbcvcegylk) has joined #portableapps 18:49:23 Hey guys 18:49:30 Hello omid 18:50:13 I have a problem with PortableApps menu. I just detects all "executables" in a folder and adds them to the menu. But not all of them are supposed to be there. 18:50:23 that's how the menu works 18:50:26 if you dont' want them there 18:50:34 right-click on them and then put a "-" in front of them 18:50:34 How may I remove an item from menu without deleting the executable file itself? 18:50:50 also seen on http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#hidingicons 18:52:08 Thanks man. Appreciate it. 18:52:24 *** omid has quit (Client Quit) 18:57:21 back. had to get my new id badge 18:57:35 JohnTHaller: wb 18:57:45 see my messages above ** 18:58:03 *** kai_62656 (n=unknown@68-118-64-169.dhcp.crsn.ca.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 18:58:42 *** kai_62656 has quit (Client Quit) 19:07:06 Gizmokid2005: very odd. wonder why that's happening 19:07:19 I'm not sure JohnTHaller :( That's what I posted for you to see 19:07:22 it makes no sense to me 19:07:26 *** ZachThibeau is now known as ZachT|AFK 19:07:33 and you know NSIS a LOT more than I do. 19:11:20 JohnTHaller, would PA.c allow apps that use a CLI to become official? (Assuming they conform to PA.c standards) 19:12:06 Only in rare cases, I think. Most people don't use CLI apps so they'd have limited appeal. Plus most CLI apps are portable. WHat app were you thinking 19:12:14 irssi 19:12:42 It's one of the most popular irc clients around 19:13:17 and, it is not already 100% portable, so i'd actually have some work to do :) 19:27:55 *** Axel_ (i=5d288c05@gateway/web/freenode/x-mnixntbiqcmwlnty) has joined #portableapps 19:28:38 hi guys... 19:29:07 can I ask for some advice? 19:30:43 What do you need Axel_? 19:31:58 Hi John 19:32:20 a pleasure to chat with you directly :) 19:32:31 Sure thing. How can we help you? 19:32:34 I have big problems on portable firefox 19:32:42 in the last 2 weeks 19:32:44 What's happening with it? 19:32:54 it has become so slow it's almost unusable 19:33:06 basically it freezes every 3-4 seconds 19:33:13 even when not browsing 19:33:22 Did it happen all of the sudden one day? Or has it been getting progressively slower? 19:33:25 also when I click the menu items 19:33:39 I couldn't tell you 19:33:40 *** Suiseiseki has quit ("Read error: 409 (connection not clean, using Formula 409 to clean up connection)") 19:33:52 Does it happen on every PC? Or only on some? 19:33:54 it got worse at a certain point 19:34:04 but now it is ridicoulously slow 19:34:11 on every pc 19:34:18 that's why I'm here 19:34:28 Alright, that narrows it down to a settings change, a profile issue or a drive issue. 19:34:46 First off, lets ensure that your cache is disabled in Firefox. Do you know where the setting is to check that out? 19:34:47 I also unisnatlled my antivirus, thinking that probably the new exe was compacted with some packer (upx, etc.) 19:34:57 *** andreasma has quit ("Verlassend") 19:34:58 Nope, Firefox isn't packed 19:35:13 *** Suiseiseki (n=desudesu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 19:35:16 yeah, I set the value of the MB to 0 19:35:24 I guess it's disabled now 19:35:53 Yeah, that's disabled. Did you add any new extensions? Like Tab Mix Plus or anything? 19:36:08 well, I have some extensions 19:36:13 tab mix plus too 19:36:22 I tried disabling many of them 19:36:25 But did you add any just before it started slowing down? Is Tab Mix Plus new? 19:36:31 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:36:37 no, I always used tab mix plus 19:36:49 TMP has a built in session saver that is really inefficient and will slow down Firefox on a flash drive. Was it disabled before but now enabled? 19:37:32 I'm checking now... 19:39:02 it was set to use firefox's session saver 19:39:08 Ok 19:39:15 Now about your drive, what kind and size is it? 19:39:34 should I keep FF's session saver enabled? 19:39:47 I just bought a new drive thinking that the old one was too slow 19:39:51 but I didn't solve 19:39:57 I migrated yesterday to the new drive 19:40:04 it's a peak extreme II 19:40:06 And it has the same issue? 19:40:11 30MB/s in reads 19:40:18 and 22MB/s in writes 19:40:20 Then it's something with your profile. Have you tried starting in safe mode? 19:40:33 nope 19:40:36 The advertised speeds are for sequencial, which doesn't help us much. 19:40:39 that's what I wanted to ask 19:40:46 if there's a safe mode 19:40:50