00:01:17 Chazz: he's talking about the RT stuff 00:01:29 gizmokid2005, i figured 00:01:38 now, anyonw know where that page is? 00:02:39 yes Chazz, the people that need to know ;) 00:02:51 heh 00:02:53 Chazz: u can find it easily 00:02:55 just think 00:03:06 powerjuce, that's the one thing i can't do :P 00:03:11 haha 00:03:33 aight i will get those up and running, i also have 2 look at the new frets on fire that was released 00:03:41 i am really embarassed i did not work on it 00:04:07 powerjuce: don't be. it happens. 00:04:46 no, i completely bailed on the pa.com community, and that is just not good. this is the community that got me really into comps 00:05:03 so i will stick to my roots, and get back involved 00:05:18 powerjuce, could be worse, you could be like me, bugging the PA.c community to the point of insanity 00:05:32 lol but u r still involved 00:05:41 lol, barely 00:05:58 i make portable apps portable, thats it :P 00:06:14 haha, and that is the main thng 00:07:08 ok my goals for this yr, update all apps of mine, get a couple new ones out, more support, and become op (jk on last one ). 00:07:23 what do you dev? 00:08:05 I've just gotta get a VM running on my mac that i can use to test apps also 00:08:17 Chazz: frets, xnresource editor, reg, other small sutff 00:08:26 Gizmokid2005: use virtualbox 00:08:28 oh, cool! :o 00:08:30 powerjuce: I am 00:08:30 but fusion 00:08:33 is better 00:08:35 but the whole checkpoints bs is ridiculous 00:08:43 I like MS VPC where you can just discard changes on shutdown 00:08:46 and be done 00:08:57 well u can do that with virtualbox 00:09:01 just make a snapshot 00:09:09 gizmokid2005, they have a VPC for OS X 00:09:28 then rather than shutting down, just close the windows, select "power off machine" and the revert to current snapshot 00:09:40 and by window i mean the vm window 00:09:54 Chazz: I never got it to run 00:10:00 oh 00:10:02 powerjuce: I know, but it's still a pain 00:10:27 u can actually maintain updates 00:13:33 you mean windows updates? 00:14:32 yea 00:14:49 i mean control updates 00:14:59 I can easily maintain them in VPC too...just start it up to dl updates...then shut it down and save changes 00:15:20 i have within my windows xp vm, a windows xp sp1, sp2 and sp3 vms 00:15:45 i also have some with ie 8 and one with ie6 and ie7 00:16:01 all within one vm 00:16:09 *** ptmb has quit ("Leaving") 00:16:10 i dont remeber being able to do that in VPC 00:16:18 yeah, but I don't need that many variations of xp 00:16:24 (although i only used it for a day or 2) 00:16:52 haha yea, but when i do malware testing i need them all to make check each one 00:17:16 yeah, but for pa testing and just normal use 00:17:17 you don't 00:17:21 and that's all I use them for. 00:17:30 oh yea 00:17:35 well i guess we need what we need 00:17:41 yep :D 00:21:17 *** dragonmage is now known as drag|out 00:22:03 *** Res2216firestar (i=chatzill@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 00:45:21 *** Gizmokid2005 has quit () 00:45:38 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 00:48:43 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.85-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.1/20090707221522]") 00:55:46 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:56:39 *** Suiseiseki (i=desudesu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 01:07:12 *** abc528 has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:15:52 *** Chazz is now known as daBomb|Not-Here 01:18:35 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|AFK 01:33:17 *** SrgSiler|AFK is now known as SrgSiler|Sleep 01:35:53 *** MaienM is now known as MaienM|Sleep 01:36:53 *** Chazz (n=dabomb69@unaffiliated/dabomb69) has joined #portableapps 01:36:54 Chazz is the awesome developer of Bash Portable http://portableapps.com/node/20277 :D 01:38:30 :D 01:40:31 gnight all 01:40:52 *** powerjuce has quit ("peace out all") 01:51:33 *** Chazz has quit ("Leaving.") 01:52:16 *** TimClark (i=8087e3f6@gateway/web/freenode/x-cgmoyaqomsetjwmw) has joined #portableapps 01:52:16 TimClark says "freenode, it's Not as Free as it used to be, Free as in Freedom :( " 01:52:30 hello TimClark 01:53:20 False Positve issue in ClamWinPorable and VLCPortable resolved http://portableapps.com/node/20613#comment-126942 01:53:33 and hello Gizmokid2005 :D 01:57:04 wow TimClark have you seen this listless guys responses?! http://portableapps.com/node/20609 01:57:22 no 01:57:37 read the thread... he is being rude... ALOT :/ 01:58:05 is this a you a mod and i want to hint that you should do something about it thing ? 01:58:22 oh no 01:58:22 lol 01:58:23 well 01:58:24 maybe 01:58:25 i dunno 01:58:33 just thought i'd bring it to your attention 01:58:37 I am not reading the whole thread, link to what counts 01:58:48 oh ok 01:59:02 a response to john: http://portableapps.com/node/20609#comment-126932 01:59:03 nm found it 01:59:16 then the last post 01:59:17 :/ 02:00:18 That last post by him is totally uncalled for... 02:00:26 he makes it sound like he paid money for the software... 02:00:27 ya i know! 02:00:28 lol 02:00:32 exactly :/ 02:01:09 hello TimClark 02:01:10 yeah, but what do i do, it's rude, but not over the line, eveyone gets pissy when i try to put someone in their place, and no one backs me up 02:01:30 TimClark: I'm sorry, I'd back up you, as that's completely uncalled for 02:01:33 *** daBomb|Not-Here is now known as chazz 02:01:35 what ever you decide I'm there 02:01:40 *** chazz is now known as Chazz 02:01:41 please don't talk when you are not here chazz 02:02:14 TimClark: sorry, i should have been Chazz, but it was a ghost and I didn't notice :( 02:02:51 give me a moment 02:05:18 do you know how hard it is to write a good reply for this kind of stuff 02:05:28 ya it is :( 02:05:34 ya :( 02:05:40 i wish people wouldbe be so rude then you wouldnt have to :/ 02:05:45 *wouldnt 02:09:08 ben, i've read some of you search posts, they are rude 02:09:23 saying "and thanks", does not make them less so 02:09:43 so let's not get on high horses here 02:09:55 I am drafting a replying to listless 02:10:19 oh, sorry, i meant to ping you there, --- Bensawsome 02:10:55 TimClark: jw, are my posts overly rude? 02:11:20 i'm busy Chazz , shush 02:11:28 I am drafting a replying to listless 02:11:57 ok, sorry 02:12:21 hows 's this Gizmokid2005 Chazz Bensawsome http://pastebin.com/m5ae586f6 02:13:01 sounds good TimClark 02:13:18 I really did not intend to be online for more than a minute or so to report the clam fix, i have things to do, so hurry and give me feed back 02:13:22 ty Gizmokid2005 02:13:27 Chazz: , Bensawsome ? 02:13:37 looks good 02:13:47 wow! looks great! 02:14:21 ty ZachThibeau 02:14:28 anytime 02:14:40 Chazz: it's rushed, it is not wow, wow takes a long time to write 02:14:57 TimClark: it's wow compared to what i wanted to say to him 02:15:16 now if he replies after this, i won't be here , so back me up, but be polite and better than him 02:15:19 posting 02:15:57 ZachThibeau: you could have waited 02:16:23 I could of but this was before I knew you were going to post something 02:16:53 ok, nm 02:17:38 dam, 02:17:49 jth replied seconds after i did 02:18:52 i hope he does not mind my reply :( 02:19:30 I think he'd be cool with it 02:20:33 but he may not even read it, as he will think his post is the latest and see what i said 02:20:51 *and not see what i said 02:21:35 I hope he does see it, as i did kinda make a formal request of the guy to tone it down 02:21:57 anyways guys I got to go and sleep, I got work early in the morning 02:22:03 nite 02:22:36 *** ZachThibeau is now known as ZachT|ZNC 02:29:27 time to go, for at least a bit 02:29:46 bye TimClark 02:29:53 *** TimClark has parted #portableapps ("Now if only I could leave freenode, w/o leaving #portableapps") 02:30:26 oh shoot 02:30:31 tim responded XD 02:30:32 lol 02:30:38 i was talking with my parents >_> 02:31:41 lol 02:58:53 *** JoeYoung (n=Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 03:01:27 *** Chazz is now known as daBomb|Not-Here 03:02:51 *** daBomb|Not-Here is now known as Chazz 03:15:02 *** ChrisMorgan (i=cb2d06b9@gateway/web/freenode/x-futxbjgfmqcspcjm) has joined #portableapps 03:15:02 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com Developer (BPBible, Inkscape et al), currently involved with work on the PortableApps.com Launcher. 03:21:40 heya ChrisMorgan:D 03:21:51 heya Chazz:D 03:22:11 how ya doing today? 03:22:45 OK. 03:23:00 My laptop's power adapter has been malfunctioning often the past few days :-( 03:23:26 :o 03:26:25 Instead of the usual quiet ~1000Hz saw-toothed wave coming out as noise when I listen to it, it produces ~300Hz clicks at about 6 per second... and doesn't work. 03:28:11 thats bad :/ 03:33:13 *** ChrisMorgan has quit ("/quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit recursion :-)") 05:12:02 *** palogbot (n=palogbot@delawarepark.safesecureweb.com) has joined #portableapps 05:12:02 Topic for #portableapps is: Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. 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10:08:25 Still wxWidgets I presume? 10:09:24 Yes, just reworking the Rules tab, turn the three boxes and six buttons into one box and two buttons, new dialog for when you add rules that means you can't input invalid rules (assuming my regex is right, I hate regex's) 10:09:31 * ChrisMorgan likes PHP-GTK :-) 10:09:49 YOU WHAT!? 10:10:03 Regular expressions are the very soul of delicacy. 10:10:08 (Or something poetic like that) 10:10:45 I just don't use them enough so I end up having to look syntax up every time 10:11:12 There are only a couple of things I need to look up if I use them... not [a block of text] is the main one. 10:11:37 Using gVim for everything is a good help, as its searches are regular expressions. 10:12:07 Ahhhh, gVim, I guess I will soon be your mortal foe then, I am learning emacs ;-) 10:12:13 :O 10:12:26 Are you taking on emacs Portable? 10:12:35 I've considered looking at it at some time. 10:12:47 Me using gVim is hereditary though :P 10:12:54 I learned it from Dad :-) 10:13:49 I haven't got it planned, I am still rather attached to Visual Studio though, I will have to set up all of the emacs plugins one day and truely see how it compares! 10:14:10 Visual Studio is pretty good for many things. 10:14:43 Dad likes the intellithingy feature of it, much better integrated than in any other editor we've tried. 10:15:02 Yeah, especially as I will get a free Porfessional copy in a couple of week, and yes, intellisense is my favourite bit :-) 10:16:08 I could get a free copy via BizSpark if I felt like it due to being an [unpaid] WaterSums employee... 10:16:59 Ahhh ok, DreamSpark would do it for me once my uni email address comes through 10:17:19 (Remember it's non-commercial usage only with DreamSpark) 10:18:05 Toucan wasn't commercial the last time I checked ;) 10:18:13 Meh :P 10:18:23 It's GPL, right? 10:18:28 Yep 10:18:34 You own copyright... still time to make it commercial :P 10:18:45 I decided on the MIT license for Manta. 10:19:08 Any particular reason for MIT? 10:19:19 Much simpler, smaller, more permissive. 10:19:24 And GPL compatible, so no problems there. 10:20:11 And there's no problem with needing to host source code yourself etc., though I still hold from my reading of the GPL that the common interpretation that you need to host the code yourself is wrong. 10:20:30 Very true, I am a little stuck on GPL really as Toucan relies on a few other GPL things, and I don't fancy someone taking it and not releasing any changed source 10:20:44 MIT is GPL-compatible. 10:20:54 But are said components v2 or v3? 10:21:02 True, but the changes don't have to be released, and they are v2 10:21:25 *** Zarggg has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:21:25 *** Bensawsome has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:21:35 *** drag|away has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:21:35 *** excid3 has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:21:35 *** SrgSiler|Sleep has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:21:35 *** MaienM|Sleep has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:21:38 *** tarbo_ has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:21:38 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:21:38 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:21:38 *** dbdii407 has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:21:38 It all ends up depending on how you integrate it... static or dynamic linking actually plays a big part in it, weird though that seems. 10:21:51 Oohh, netsplit ^ 10:21:55 Hmm... we seem to be going down in numbers. 10:21:57 *** dbdii407 (i=dbdii407@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 10:21:57 *** Twinkletoes|W (n=chatzill@izb6d318.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 10:22:16 New record for how few people we've had in here for a long time... 12 :P 10:22:34 I was enjoying the peace and quiet ;) 10:22:52 * ChrisMorgan wonders what it's like in #ubuntu 10:23:15 Only 869 people! :O 10:23:23 How busy is it usually? 10:23:40 Twice the number, plus or minus 500 10:24:18 Wow, a rather large split then 10:24:56 Weird things happen in #ubuntu... [20:24:19] hallo i am a noob an i wan to spead virus 10:25:22 Nice ;-) 10:27:26 #inkscape lost 33 out of 71 10:27:27 *** Bensawsome (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 10:27:27 *** Zarggg (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) has joined #portableapps 10:27:45 Flooding back now 10:27:49 *** drag|away (i=newdrago@cpe-071-068-073-045.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 10:27:54 *** excid3 (n=excid3@student213-234.cv.siue.edu) has joined #portableapps 10:28:04 #ubuntu is back up to 1068 10:28:11 *** MaienM|Sleep (n=MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 10:28:11 *** SrgSiler|Sleep (i=sergents@unaffiliated/sergentsiler) has joined #portableapps 10:28:20 1270... 10:28:29 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK (n=Gizmokid@75.134.112.128) has joined #portableapps 10:28:29 *** tarbo_ (n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) has joined #portableapps 10:28:41 1368... 10:29:48 Auto-Message: GizmoBot part requested by the join of pabot 10:29:51 Auto-Message: GizmoBot part requested by the join of pabot 10:29:53 Which places it safely in the region I specified of 1238-2238 :-) 10:29:59 *** taipan_snake (n=taipan_s@203.213.44.95) has joined #portableapps 10:31:12 Quite a big range though isn't it ;-) 10:31:21 Meh :-) 10:33:03 Well, I think I'm going to go back to writing my first blog post at my PortableApps.com blog which I haven't used. 10:33:23 Whatcha writing about? 10:33:36 The future of PortableApps.com... 10:33:50 Specifically, the language of the platform and launchers. 10:34:20 Ahh ok, sound good :) 10:34:21 Considering whether we need to keep using NSIS for anything at all other than the installers. 10:35:20 We had a C++ launcher once, I think Bruce wrote one for Firefox years ago 10:35:46 Originally it was a batch file, it may well have gone on to C++ before NSIS... that was a couple of years before I came on the scene. 10:37:03 Yeah, I think there was an unoffical one floating around the forum, and it sure would be nice to ditch nsis 10:37:15 Why? 10:37:18 It does us just fine. 10:37:24 What would you be considering as an alternative though? 10:37:48 C++? And if so, what about error messages? Platform-specific calls for those sorts of things? 10:37:57 Something cross platform I guess, it is a step we will have to take eventually 10:38:26 The solution I'm suggesting (just to suggest something) is one which at first consideration seems utterly ridiculous. It's called... 10:38:37 P 10:38:37 H 10:38:37 P 10:39:10 You'll have to explain your reasoning ;) 10:39:25 You sound healthily skeptical :-) 10:39:36 I would wonder at anyone not skeptical... 10:41:02 It wouldn't be the first language I thought of! 10:41:08 :-) 10:44:35 I've thought of a nice evocative title for my post... 10:45:05 "The tower of Babel in the land of PortableApps.com" 10:45:19 Intriguing 10:45:28 :-) 10:45:42 Except with Tower and Land capitalised now :P 10:46:44 :-) 10:47:13 *** taipan_snake has parted #portableapps () 10:54:42 I suppose that before posting my post I should commit the latest with Manta, so that the package manager is there for reference... 10:55:01 You know how it is, when you're developing lots of new features you never quite get round to committing. 10:55:10 This one's another huge commit... *sigh* 10:57:00 Yep, really easy to do, get very annoying when you try to look back form when you made a change ;-) 10:57:27 "What do I put for my commit message!? ARGH!" 10:57:42 I think I'll just say "Yet another huge commit... try it to find out what's new." 10:57:43 Lots ;) 11:00:24 *** RaulFR (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/raulfr) has joined #portableapps 11:00:35 hello :-) 11:01:48 Hello RaulFR 11:03:18 I am experimenting with a 8Gb key I recently bought, which is formatted in FAT32. I am planning to use it to install portable applications on it, and it may contain data and applications, I want to encrypt on the fly. I plan to use FreeOTFE (http://www.freeotfe.org) for building encrypted images that will be automounted for that security purpose. 11:03:53 now, the problem I am having is that the FAT32 system does not allow me to copy to the USB key files larger than 4Gb 11:04:14 Yep, it is an in built limitation fo the file system I am afraid 11:04:16 2GB that should be 11:04:24 I have found severeal methods for converting the media to a NTFS format 11:04:49 The easiest way is from the command-line, in-place (i.e. you don't need to copy everything off and back on) 11:05:33 yes, using the "convert" command line tool 11:05:40 but, I am wondering is that is a good choice, especially from a security point of view 11:06:00 I would recommend NOT using the /NoSecurity flag myself. 11:06:03 It's fine. 11:06:25 If you use /NoSecurity then you can't block access from a given computer accidentally. 11:06:43 The encrypted part is irrelevant for that 11:06:51 s/NOT// 11:07:01 DO use the /NoSecurity flag (:S I'm confusing myself!) 11:07:10 Have you got any real reason for not using TrueCrypt over FreeOTFE? My understanding is that TC's better. 11:07:16 ok, you mean that this option SHALL be used with "convert" 11:07:21 Yes 11:07:35 For a USB disk you don't want the inbuilt Windows ACLs (which are per-machine etc.) 11:07:50 Sorry about that :S 11:08:00 the key will have to be produced for computers running Vista also, and it looks like TC does not support it 11:08:19 it is OK Chris, thanks a lot for your precious information 11:08:37 My understanding (I don't use either) is that TC supports everything that FOTFE does, except better. 11:08:44 whereas FreeOTFE claims to support it 11:09:08 And if it's the "requires admin" thing with TrueCrypt, there's a SF project tc_explorer or something which does the same thing as FreeOTFE Explorer (not require to install the driver) 11:09:32 I'm not aware of any such issue. 11:09:51 I will try TC also, Chris, I am just in the initial explorartion phase :-) 11:10:01 I do know though that if you're wanting to mount the drive letter, you'll run into problems with FreeOTFE because its binaries are not digitally signed, while TrueCrypt's are. 11:10:48 ok, that's good to know 11:11:21 I dont want to muddle things even more but I thought that TcExplorer didnt work with the latest versions of TrueCrypt? 11:11:51 And it also only works on FAT 11:12:12 I thought that it did, but I've never used it so I'm open to correction 11:12:36 No sure, I don't use it myself, I may well be spreading FUD here 11:13:32 I need to run the apps from the key, so an "explorer" like approach is not for me 11:13:36 one of my worries relating to using NTFS, apart from the fact that the key may be fail sooner due to the increased write operations, is that it looks that the NTFS uses caching to speed up the read/write operations. Does this mean that the data will be cached unencrypted on the host computer ? 11:13:41 Yeah, true. 11:13:53 Shouldn't do. 11:14:08 When it's using a special driver to read it, it's up to said driver. 11:14:21 I'm sure they wouldn't do it insecurely. 11:15:37 ok, so I guess I should further check that with TC or FreeOTFE to be sure 11:15:49 I think you're safe on it. 11:16:06 Any caching would be by their own choice, and they wouldn't touch it for on disk. 11:20:37 I am not an expert in NTFS, and feared it might be an unavoidable operating system constraint (or "feature" as they say) 11:21:22 Indeed they do :P 11:21:52 The file system inside the container is essentially arbitrary, being handled by a different program, not the Windows core. 11:22:07 It just has to tell the operating system what to expect, I think. 11:22:36 On second consideration, the container might need an internal filesystem specified... hmm... 11:23:00 But anyway, I'm not aware of any /disk/ caching happening with NTFS at all... it rather destroys the point of it, I think it's all memory. 11:24:43 ok :-) 11:29:55 thanks a lot for your inputs 11:29:59 *** Dynetrekk (n=Dynetrek@dhcp-49191.phys.ntnu.no) has joined #portableapps 11:30:15 is it possible to get a portableapp suite not packaged as an exe file? 11:30:47 btw, on my FAT32 key, the file size limitation seems to be 4Go, because I can store there a 3596 Mb image 11:31:52 but it won't allow me a 5Gb image, it fails with a silly message complaining that there not enough space on the device 11:32:44 Ya 11:32:59 Dynetrekk: no, all our things are installers 11:33:54 ChrisMorgan: I don't have a windows PC, but I would like the suite. I'm going somewhere to present, and I need exactly your software. 11:34:06 It's Windows-only software 11:34:11 ChrisMorgan: oh, btw, if you're a developer, I'd like to see VLC in there, too :) 11:34:17 We've got VLC 11:34:22 ChrisMorgan: I'd like to prepare the thumb drive now, and use it on a windows machine later 11:34:28 ah 11:34:29 if possible? 11:34:37 If you've got WINE? 11:34:47 ChrisMorgan: nope, sorry 11:34:58 Sorry then, but no, not really. 11:35:06 ChrisMorgan: but I've got a remote desktop windows machine available. can I install to a folder and move it to my thumb drive from over the network? 11:35:21 You could pry the files loose out of it with 7-Zip, but that's a bit messy as directory names change etc. 11:35:24 Sure 11:35:30 They're portable :-) 11:36:05 ah, so run the installer, grab the dir, and put on my thumb drive as soon as I get the files back on my mac. right? 11:36:15 Yup, that'll do :-) 11:37:03 great! the bloody conference won't post what kind of software and shit they've got on the presenter's PC 11:37:07 The only instance where things may get broken moving around is when you change folder location. Some (e.g. Songbird) don't like that and break. But drive letter moving they do well :-) 11:37:18 Please control your language, Dynetrekk 11:37:19 so a USB key well prepared would be nice 11:37:26 ChrisMorgan: ah 11:37:41 You're right though, having the software with you to do it is a great help 11:39:11 ChrisMorgan: good thing I found your webpage today... 11:39:29 :-) 11:39:42 "You have just discovered life." ;-) 11:41:06 hehe 11:41:26 I usually don't have to use win computers, fortunately. but every now and then... 11:41:42 I'll let that slide ;-) 11:43:17 hehe... who wouldn't 11:44:53 ChrisMorgan: if I get it right, portableapps is essentially a package manager for windows? ish? 11:45:19 *** SteveLamerton has parted #portableapps ("Leaving") 11:49:09 Not really yet. 11:49:42 We're heading that way with the PortableApps.com Updater (more a package manager really now) but each app is individually made, tweaked, etc. 11:49:47 ChrisMorgan: you're one of the developer? 11:49:51 Yes 11:50:07 ChrisMorgan: I must admit, good work. I thought this kind of thing was completely not feasible 11:50:10 Currently it's a collection of portable applications and a platform. 11:50:27 ChrisMorgan: the platform itself is GPL, too? 11:50:30 Yes 11:50:35 sweet sweet stuff 11:50:43 Disclaimer: my only official app released is BPBible Portable... Inkscape and gVim coming up for official release very shortly. 11:50:57 But I'm becoming ever more involved in the core :-) 11:51:06 aha, I see. BPBible? 11:51:14 http://bpbible.com/ 11:51:21 I heard of inkskape. and I rather like vim, even if I like textmate better... 11:51:54 Available for Mac if you like... but you'll need to build it yourself with xcode and build your own SWORD bindings... no package available yet. 11:52:48 there is a macvim, I've got it. I just prefer textmate for now. 11:52:56 I might change in the future, who knows 11:53:07 It's a great program 11:53:34 it is, but the learning curve is rather steep 11:53:39 Yes 11:54:00 and generally I find textmate more convenient - but I do like the "modal" idea. I always use vim in terminal. 11:54:01 I got trained in it while young... I grew up with it as my Dad likes it :-) 11:56:37 ChrisMorgan: lucky you. noone ever told me how to use a computer until I turned 20ish 11:56:56 Yes, I was rather fortunate in that among many other things. 11:57:10 AND I still haven't got round to turning 20... 11:57:19 Still got 2 and a half years to go. 11:57:50 ChrisMorgan: lucky you. I'm doing a phd in physics and I usually have to self-teach the computer stuff I need. it's fun sometimes, but can be terribly frustrating 11:58:12 Ooh, that must be fun... what area of Physics are you dealing with? 11:58:28 Understand one thing: Linux is better than Mac ;-) 11:59:21 optics. computational. although I've just spent my first year (1 year this week btw) taking courses and teaching. I've done some simulations that I'm presenting at a conference next week. your apps to the rescue, there! 11:59:28 I use linux for the stuff it's good at 11:59:40 You must use it a lot ;-) 11:59:55 the desktop computers at work all run linux, and I run a lot of calculations there. but for my laptop, I prefer a mac 12:00:01 Sounds interesting. I like physics and maths lots :-) 12:00:13 ChrisMorgan: then go study physics AND math 12:00:19 I am :-) 12:00:34 ChrisMorgan: if you're good enough with computers to use VIM, don't study computer science. you'd be bored out of your scull. 12:00:38 in a university? 12:00:43 Year 12 12:00:53 I'm looking more at Software Engineering 12:01:07 physics, maths methods, specialist maths, and first year uni maths 12:01:40 (Top two of three maths lines here in Victoria, Australia, plus the Uni extension course) 12:01:41 year 12, is that final year in high school? (I'm norwegian, btw, school system's different. noone cares if you say shit here.) 12:01:54 Yes 12:01:55 sounds like you're doing a good job 12:02:01 It's good fun :-) 12:02:25 but do they teach you physics? here, you just barely learn physics in high school 12:02:49 The way it works here you get to do 6 subjects in 11 and 12, and Physics is one of them. 12:03:02