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I install PA on the jump drive, correct? 01:43:28 sure 01:43:52 ok 01:44:15 *** hsnopi has quit (Client Quit) 01:47:41 *** BjornH has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:52:59 *** BjornH (n=BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 02:03:04 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("Leaving") 02:05:30 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:05:48 *** Suiseiseki (i=desudesu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 02:27:20 *** Happehwalrus (n=hayley@174.33.228.2) has joined #portableapps 02:34:11 *** n8chavez (n=n8chavez@75-171-99-151.phnx.qwest.net) has joined #portableapps 02:35:10 hello all 02:36:47 hello n8chavez 02:36:55 is the geek menu fork still being developed? 02:39:56 no 02:40:47 really? 02:40:49 bummer 02:41:03 are there any other forks being developed? 02:41:39 There's the R something fork 02:41:47 But I can't remember the name precisely. 02:41:57 And I'm not 100% sure it's still being developed 02:42:07 hmmm.... 02:42:11 no name 02:42:13 I'll look 02:44:59 there is LiberKey 02:51:27 thank you for your help 02:52:06 i think the dev of the geekmenu recently picked it back up 02:52:18 *** Happehwalrus has parted #portableapps () 02:52:25 but i'm not sure how active the development is 02:53:01 *** ChrisMorgan (n=ChrisMor@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 02:53:01 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator 02:54:25 really 02:54:29 that's good news 02:54:42 I hope so bevause I have everything set up perfectly 02:54:58 then why update? :p 02:55:12 if it all works exactly as you want, then why worry about it 02:55:16 dunno 02:55:21 because I can 02:55:23 :D 02:55:40 and I was curious 02:55:44 n8chavez: LiberKey is a bad site. 02:55:46 goood enough 02:55:46 i'm not trying to tell you no, or yes 02:55:49 They steal things of ours. 02:55:50 that also, is a good reason 02:56:01 And as far as their menu goes, it's an open source product called ASuite 02:56:02 really 02:56:08 Yep. 02:56:09 bad as in malware? 02:56:16 No, bad as in evil :-) 02:56:27 oh...ok 02:56:33 They go stealing our things, violating trademarks, redistributing things without permission sometimes 02:56:49 Though they haven't stolen anything of ours for a while... that bit's mainly historical. 02:57:03 I use my 16 titanium cruzer all the time. I use it when I work on people's systems 02:57:15 OliverK: geek.menu is completely dead as far as I know. 02:57:21 ChrisMorgan: bah 02:57:30 so I need a reliable "OS" 02:57:33 damn 02:57:47 operating system? 02:57:55 all the menu does is launch the programs 02:57:59 no..... 02:58:09 notice the quotes 02:58:16 launcher sounded dumb 02:58:20 you could double click on the AppPortable.exe and still have everything work 02:59:02 yes, to be be frank I don't like it. Geek menu offered a lot more functionality up front 02:59:03 That's all any of the platforms actually do. 02:59:06 ChrisMorgan: update on 10-17-2009 02:59:14 hmm... 02:59:17 its not dead 02:59:33 http://sourceforge.net/projects/geek-menu/files/ 03:01:01 nice 03:30:24 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 03:30:25 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 03:36:29 *** Mir (n=Mir@pool-71-109-164-142.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 03:44:09 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 03:58:32 good night all 03:58:38 *** OliverK has quit ("so long and thanks for all the fish") 04:10:57 *** dabossbv has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:17:40 *** pa_4040 (i=4406d77b@gateway/web/freenode/x-aztpjztdzajlsdyp) has joined #portableapps 04:18:54 Familiar with teamviewer ? 04:18:59 Yup. 04:19:40 awesome. Do I ned to have it running on a second computer running through a router ? 04:19:50 pa_4040: you shouldn't need to 04:19:57 The connection is made through their servers. 04:21:49 Hmm I just installed it on my flash drive on this computer and enabled accetp incoming LAN connections but after that I AM lost.. 04:22:58 need to enter an ID I geuss, do I use the ip ?. 04:23:12 No, you're automatically assigned one. 04:23:28 You need the ID of the person you want to connect with... or give them yours 04:24:51 okay so I go to my other computer and use this ID where? in teamviewer ? which means both computer have to have it.. 04:26:07 They will have different IDs 04:26:17 Try looking around to find TeamViewer help 04:27:32 so both computers HAVE to have teamveiwer ?. 04:27:36 Yup 04:27:52 Lol, That was my second question... 04:28:27 is 2x client the same type of thing ?.. 04:29:58 because 2x client says it works with ,(Remote Desktop Protocol ), I believe that is built in to Winxp.. 04:32:21 Although I guess I could just fire up netmeeting lol. 04:32:37 It's supported in NT and on, but it must be enabled (not sure if it is by default) 04:33:31 *** SrgSiler|AFK is now known as SrgSiler|Sleep 04:33:43 Yeah So, if using teamviewer need it on both, but I can use 2x client on just one with (Remote Desktop Protocol 0 enabled. ? 04:35:11 But you'd need a direct or VPN connection with it 04:35:43 I have 4 computer sharing my connection using a 4 port router..? 04:36:16 that should aloow direct right ? 04:37:36 Yep 04:37:52 2X would be much faster for a local connection than TeamViewer. 04:37:59 They're meant for quite different scenarios. 04:39:25 sounds like I need 2x, is this (3-connection free version) mean I can only use it 3 times ? 04:39:40 No, just only three at once 04:40:05 3 comps? lol only need it for one 04:40:19 Then you're fine :-) 04:40:21 hey thanks!... 04:40:48 here's your favorite liquid (on me)..... 04:42:00 * pa_4040 loves PortableApps.com) 04:42:11 Good :-) 04:42:39 hehe, have you played that assault cube or mana world ?. 04:42:47 Neither 04:43:08 oh. AC isn't bad, fast paced. 04:43:43 I don't like that sort of game at all 04:44:21 in a way it reminds me of an old game Unreal 1998 with a mod infiltration, army type and real world type weapons. 04:44:36 what you like ? puzzle ? mmorpg ? 04:44:48 none ? 04:45:16 Oh, I like some games... platform games is mostly it though. 04:47:31 super mario 64... 04:47:48 Close to it. 04:47:55 hehe 04:48:10 Don't like the mario games though, the controls are awful 04:48:21 64 was great... 04:48:58 okay man thanks for the help, much appreciated.. 04:49:16 *** pa_4040 has quit ("Page closed") 04:54:09 *** Res2216firestar (i=Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 05:01:10 *** syrius (n=syrius@unaffiliated/syrius) has joined #portableapps 05:01:15 hi everybody 05:01:52 'ello syrius 05:04:31 *** KookyMan has quit () 05:05:43 Chazz how are you? 05:06:00 the new gui looks all extra dark in wine 05:06:19 Good extra dark or bad extra dark? :P 05:07:10 I wish portableapps worked together with wine and made the portableapps work better so they you can use it on mac and linux without having to install a linux, mac, and windows version of the software 05:07:16 you could make wine portable 05:07:27 so you can use windows software on linux and mac 05:07:51 That would be... an interesting idea... 05:07:53 syrius: we're working on that with darwine (the Mac version) but WINE and Linux are more complex. 05:08:07 okay 05:08:16 I talked about this before in this channel 05:08:38 I probably wasn't there? 05:08:41 any linux software can run on any unix like os 05:08:51 it was in the past 05:08:52 That's not true. 05:08:59 It's /much/ more diverse than that. 05:09:08 Programs may not even work on different Linux variants. 05:09:37 you mean like linux variants as in different kernel setup? 05:10:04 I mean more just Debian-based, Red Hat-based, etc. things 05:10:18 I see 05:10:26 well it should work 05:10:46 That's actually part of the strength of Linux against viruses... they need different codebases to work on different OSes. 05:10:53 Diversity is good for security 05:11:14 well it isn't a different os 05:11:19 It is. 05:11:21 they just use a different setup 05:11:23 *** JoeYoung (n=Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 05:11:31 they all use linux kernel 05:11:31 Same(ish) kernel, different OS. 05:11:40 the kernel is the os 05:11:51 To a certain extent. 05:12:41 there are many distros that organize their flavor of linux differently 05:13:19 They do feature quite different things in many cases which change the way lots of core things work. 05:13:43 some do so much so that they do a radical change such as using their own standards instead of the posix standard that most linux distros are based off of 05:14:16 well I think that was what it was with this one distro 05:14:20 forget its name 05:15:00 but it would put all the libraries that a program required in its program directory rather than in a separate library folder 05:15:19 Not aware of any such a one 05:16:36 ChrisMorgan so they are thinking about doing this? 05:16:50 About doing what? 05:17:05 why not just get it to work with current mac os x and the most popular linux distros 05:17:11 about making Wine portable 05:17:37 As I said, darwine is in progress but WINE is more complex, not sure yet about it. 05:17:53 what is darwine? 05:18:04 As I said, the Mac version 05:18:12 oo I see 05:18:37 so you are going to do both then? 05:18:51 What did I just say? 05:18:56 okay 05:19:12 why can't you talk about it in more detail 05:19:17 or is that all you know? 05:19:26 Just about, at this stage 05:19:53 okay 05:20:00 hmm 05:20:09 when did you guys get this idea? ChrisMorgan 05:20:15 Not sure 05:20:22 I remember talking about it a year or so ago 05:20:25 here 05:20:30 or it was 2 05:20:35 don't remember when 05:20:40 Wouldn't have been two. 05:21:11 Actually it could have been... but I doubt it 05:21:13 so portableapps has only been here for one? 05:21:26 No, it's been around much longer than that. 05:21:36 thought so 05:21:48 hasn't it been around since 2006 05:21:50 As PortableApps.com, it's been around for a whisker under 4 years 05:22:02 This channel has been around since 06 05:22:15 okay then 05:22:43 The works of John T. Haller with portability actually predate U3. At that time it was at johnhaller.com, then it outgrew it and went to PortableApps.com. 05:22:48 why do you doubt it ChrisMorgan ? 05:22:58 Dunno :D 05:24:32 I have logs I could get back to you on it ChrisMorgan 05:24:47 WINE has only gained real solidity and stability in the past year and a half, as I remember it 05:25:12 well I currently have been using portable apps with wine over 2 years now 05:25:17 it works okay 05:25:30 some apps don't work right because of fonts used 05:25:40 some of the older versions worked 05:25:47 Google doesn't reckon it's in the past year and a bit 05:26:00 but the people that make them portable change the fonts and it doesn't work now 05:26:08 what? 05:26:17 about wine? 05:26:24 No, about you being in 05:26:26 wine works good I think 05:26:30 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("Leaving") 05:26:43 being in what? ChrisMorgan 05:26:50 In here. 05:27:04 I didn't use the nick syrius 05:27:06 Our logs go back to 10/08, indexed by Google, no results for syrius :D 05:27:07 in the past 05:27:11 Oh. :-( 05:27:18 Never mind then :D 05:27:32 it was rocko 05:27:46 it meant have been something else I am not sure 05:27:52 Still no results :-) 05:28:07 I have been using portable apps since 2006 or 07 05:28:28 I don't remember the nick I used ChrisMorgan 05:28:42 It doesn't really matter, you know :P 05:29:01 well I would have thought you guys would have it done by now 05:29:18 We have a lot to do and that's not top priority at all 05:29:26 how so? 05:29:44 pidgin use to work great 05:29:54 until someone changed the fonts 05:30:10 it was pidgin or xchat 05:30:15 don't remember which 05:30:31 it is not the default encoding either 05:30:43 used by pidgin if I remember correctly 05:31:14 well I well send you screen shots of the problems 05:31:27 Don't bother, it's not our issue, it's their issue. 05:31:35 We can't help with problems with the base applications. 05:31:36 how so? 05:31:43 You'll need to contact the Pidgin team about it. 05:31:47 no 05:31:54 I read about pidgin at your site 05:32:10 the developer said he changed the default encoding 05:32:31 Have you checked it more recently? 05:32:41 no 05:32:45 it was old release 05:32:49 let me check now 05:32:53 I doubt that we'd do anything like that now 05:33:29 I love portableapps 05:33:38 nice work ChrisMorgan and everybody else 05:33:39 Of course you do ;-) 05:33:43 :) 05:34:00 well I don't want to sound like a winer hehehe 05:34:03 get it wine 05:34:05 winer 05:34:11 :/ 05:34:23 It's bad form to explain a joke... 05:34:32 okay 05:34:34 :( 05:34:37 :D 05:35:05 what color was the original portable menu 05:35:09 it was red something 05:35:14 It's always been red. 05:35:25 Since 1.5, it's got darker/shinier 05:35:27 well I am talking about the hue 05:35:47 the current huge it is messed up looking in wine 05:36:03 Shouldn't be. It's designed to work perfectly in WINE. 05:36:03 the first one I used it looked the same in wine and on windows 05:36:18 you guys work with wine then? 05:36:24 WINE can't handle the transparency so it gets square corners rather than round 05:36:29 There's a special check for it. 05:36:47 I can't say I do, but John has. 05:37:02 check for it? 05:37:04 where? 05:37:12 Dunno 05:37:18 Somehow though. 05:38:20 here is what I am talking about http://www.filedump.net/dumped/screenshotportableappscomplatform1258609192.png 05:38:47 Using 1.5.2? 05:38:49 see how the icons are extra dark 05:38:56 it's current 05:39:05 I was looking more at the corners 05:39:09 I think that that's a WINE issue. 05:39:19 I downloaded the menu a few days ago 05:39:19 Is it a recent version of WINE then? 05:39:24 how can it be? 05:39:37 the older menu worked fine 05:39:47 wine is probably not current 05:39:53 you know how distros can be 05:40:03 they usually are a little behind 05:40:22 The newer one doesn't load the icons from the executable, it loads them from a PNG file, which speeds it up and increases some compatibility. 05:40:24 yeah the old platform used bmp's for transparencies 1.5.2 and later beta's use transparent png files 05:40:43 ZachThibeau: 1.5.2 still uses BMP AFAIK 05:40:55 Note the magenta corners too, a sign of BMP 05:40:57 it's been a while since I used 1.5.2 really 05:41:14 And I've used it once only, for helping someone in here. 05:41:52 I've been using the 2.0 beta 3 release atm which is working fully in wine without the transparency issues afaik 05:41:57 you use the beta releases ZachThibeau ? 05:42:06 syrius: all the time :) 05:42:10 I see 05:42:30 The betas are practically always stable 05:42:30 I have question about the app commpressor thingly tool 05:42:34 is it hard to use? 05:42:34 the only way beta's become stable is if someone tests it :P 05:42:47 and Chris is right it's very stable 05:42:49 like if I have complied apps for linux before 05:42:58 is it harder than compiling apps 05:43:06 Definitely not. 05:43:11 okay 05:43:13 Just give it the directory, it takes care of the rest. 05:43:41 so it has settings that are recommended by you guys? 05:43:57 just the default one it comes up with 05:43:57 The default (NRV2E) is good. 05:44:07 so using the updater in the portables doesn't mess up the compress right? 05:44:09 You can use BRUTE but it' 05:44:16 s more likely to wreck things 05:44:28 it will throw false positives too with virus scanners too 05:44:40 yes I know about that 05:44:42 not all but a good deal 05:44:43 It can do, yes 05:44:46 I read that on your site 05:44:53 Good :-) 05:45:03 good man :) 05:45:09 well I am not a noob 05:45:18 I don't really use antivirus software 05:45:22 Very few will... 05:45:26 if you know what you are doing you don't need it 05:45:33 well I don't use virus scanners at all either 05:45:37 just keep your software up to date 05:45:45 Nor do I... I'm too lazy :P 05:45:48 sad to say last virus I had I found before my scanner found it xD 05:46:00 I see 05:46:22 We've had viruses at home twice... and they both came from getting disks checked (damaged) at a computer store :/ 05:46:22 well I do have special tools to remove bad viruses that most anti viruses don't remove 05:46:32 vundofix it is a great tool 05:46:46 *** n8chavez has parted #portableapps () 05:47:06 I use clamwin once in a while 05:47:41 I only really do stuff like that when I download software from p2p 05:48:10 if I have to from p2p I use bt for sites that have a verification by its users 05:48:26 so that if it is a virus it will get removed soon 05:49:09 most users can viruses from using gnutella network 05:49:13 get* 05:49:39 one of the many reasons I don't use the gnutella network 05:50:01 well you don't get it from just using it 05:50:06 as far as I know 05:50:10 I'm more of a bittorrent guy (downloading linux iso's etc) 05:50:30 you just have to be more cautious 05:50:54 yes of course linux iso's and old software you can't find any more :P 05:51:39 well I dislike antivirus software because it is really slow 05:51:51 slows done the pc 05:51:55 down 05:52:07 Yep. None are noted for speeding up computers (unless they're infected) 05:52:35 well infected pcs tend to be slower than non infected 05:52:45 norton I find is great for detection but horrible performance 05:53:07 due to the fact they are usually used as slaves to spam people or as a server for some service 05:53:24 I hate norton 05:53:28 well in the past 05:53:36 not sure if it has gotten better 05:53:45 this is norton from like 06 05:53:50 it was really annoying 05:53:54 I wouldn't use it on my system, but my parents computer had norton 09 05:53:56 hard to remove too 05:54:06 I currently dislike Norton because they recently broke BPBible :-) 05:54:19 what is that? 05:54:24 syrius: nothing like a reformat can't fix :P 05:54:42 http://bpbible.com (or http://portableapps.com/bpbibleportable) 05:54:58 yeah 05:55:07 well I could have done that with this one virus 05:55:24 it was in the past when I was an inexperienced user 05:55:26 a noob 05:55:53 but I continued to look for anti virus software solutions to solve my problem 05:56:04 I found my free ones 05:56:08 anyways time for me to continue coding my media player application 05:56:08 but none worked 05:56:29 after countless times of searching 05:56:35 wikipedia was my hero 05:56:44 it told me about vundofix 05:56:47 I used it 05:56:52 then it fixed it 05:56:59 my computer was as good as new 05:57:01 :) 05:57:36 that is another reason why I dislike anti virus software 05:57:49 they only cover their own interests 05:58:01 ... which is their customers 05:58:15 if a software program they don't like they will label it has a virus or malware 05:58:27 If it is. 05:58:48 or they won't support the getting rid of certain viruses 05:59:00 winfixer was the virus I had 05:59:14 it destroyed some peoples pcs 05:59:25 but I was able to fix the problem with a little research 06:00:17 I use the systernals suite and some other tools such as hijackthis, vundofix.... when my computer acts up and is doing weird things 06:00:40 but I haven't used that in a long time 06:00:41 *** SrgSiler|Sleep is now known as SrgSiler|ZNC 06:01:32 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|Away 06:02:38 *** Suiseiseki has quit ("...") 06:19:30 *** Ben|Adium (n=Bensawso@155.42.101.230) has joined #portableapps 06:22:21 *** Ben|Adium has quit (Remote closed the connection) 06:22:36 *** Ben|Adium (n=Bensawso@155.42.101.230) has joined #portableapps 06:30:55 Hey... I just looked at http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aportableapps.com+wine and just look at those links it gives... breadcrumbs! 06:41:04 *** JoeYoung has quit ("Leaving") 07:33:34 *** dabossbv (n=dabossbv@p57A6D2C6.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 07:49:36 *** ChrisMorgan|Away is now known as ChrisMorgan 08:03:47 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|Away 08:06:27 *** Chazz is now known as Asleep 08:30:35 *** upnPAD (n=upnPAD@58.165.134.253) has joined #portableapps 09:09:53 *** ChrisMorgan|Away is now known as ChrisMorgan 09:40:12 *** Asleep is now known as daBomb|Not-Here 09:56:32 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:16:05 *** Twinkletoes|W (n=chatzill@izb6d318.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 10:33:14 *** syrius has quit ("Leaving") 11:22:13 *** daBomb|Not-Here is now known as Chazz 11:35:55 *** SrgSiler|ZNC is now known as SergentSiler 11:56:44 *** Chazz is now known as daBomb|Not-Here 12:06:20 *** upnPAD has quit ("leaving") 12:09:17 *** Suiseiseki (n=desudesu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 12:13:00 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 12:57:43 *** BjornH has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:03:09 *** BjornH (n=BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 13:44:07 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 13:48:34 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:05:14 *** DaveDixonII has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:53:41 *** Ben|Adium has quit ("Leaving.") 15:42:14 *** Flametail (n=Flametai@dynamic-acs-72-23-74-123.zoominternet.net) has joined #portableapps 15:42:44 hello? 15:42:53 * Flametail has a request 15:43:29 *** Twinkletoes|W (n=chatzill@izb6d318.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 15:43:43 hello twinkletoes 15:44:27 hello Flametail, what's your request? 15:45:07 that you post a warning on all of your web pages related to any secure deletion software 15:45:33 when you securly delete something, you dont get the space back 15:45:52 so after a while of deleting, your drive will become full 15:47:43 have you tried emptying the trash in windows? sometimes it will create a local trashbin on the flash drive so when you delete it from there it's still there until you empty the trash on the desktop 15:48:19 now I say sometimes as that isn't always the case 15:48:52 ... i was talking about things like eraser portable 15:49:55 they fill in the space created by deleting the file making recovering the file impossible 15:49:56 I realize that, but also realize that sometimes windows does what it does as I said 15:50:31 Flametail: no, that's not how they work 15:50:42 Flametail: they overwrite the space from the file you want to delete 15:50:51 then they mark that space as free 15:51:02 the space still doesnt get freed up 15:51:11 yes it is 15:51:19 ive tried, i had to reformat to get my space back 15:51:20 how do you think windows frees up space? 15:51:29 it's marked as free 15:51:29 not securely 15:51:56 windows just removed the links that point to your file, thus marking the space as free 15:52:02 secure deleters like eraser portable overwrite the space 15:52:12 the undelete tools overwrite the space BEFORE marking it as free 15:52:39 if they don't, they have an error in their function, and i checked eraser portable before, it does free up space 15:53:27 at least, i couldn't get it to not free up the space 15:53:35 *** Ben|Adium (n=Bensawso@155.42.101.230) has joined #portableapps 15:55:09 test it by making a very large file(something you can notice) check free space, delete the file with eraser portable or eraserdrop portable, then check free space again and see if there is a difference 15:55:29 okay, i will check it again for you, just a second 15:57:45 *** Ben|Adium has quit (Client Quit) 15:58:01 *** Ben|Adium (n=Bensawso@155.42.101.230) has joined #portableapps 16:00:57 Flametail: i tested EraserDrop Portable 16:01:07