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D:") 02:54:10 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 02:55:40 *** ChrisMorgan (n=ChrisMor@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 02:55:40 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator 03:04:14 *** gluxon has quit ("Leaving.") 03:11:14 *** xangua (n=xangua@unaffiliated/xangua) has joined #portableapps 03:19:44 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|Away 03:30:51 *** xangua has parted #portableapps ("http://is.gd/3HjzP no se si reírme o sentir lástima") 03:47:48 *** ChrisMorgan|Away is now known as ChrisMorgan 03:53:42 *** SrgSiler|AFK is now known as SrgSiler|Sleep 04:22:00 *** ChrisMorgan42 (n=ChrisMor@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 04:42:55 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:43:24 *** Res2216firestar (i=Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 04:56:29 *** rmccue (n=rmccue@unaffiliated/rmccue) has joined #portableapps 05:43:36 *** rmccue has quit ("The general rule on about people on IRC seems to be "Attractive, single, mentally stable: choose two"") 05:52:26 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("Leaving") 06:47:54 *** MaienM|Sleep has quit ("Bye!!!!") 06:48:36 *** MaienM (n=MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 06:48:36 MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable, and he has a website at http://mmfail.co.cc/ 06:55:17 *** WQlvr (i=48174a7b@gateway/web/freenode/x-bepawjnpkhjmcfmx) has joined #portableapps 06:56:44 hello 06:57:11 i would like to know ahead of time if this can be portabalized 06:57:12 http://www.wolfquest.org/about_overview.php 06:58:46 *** WQlvr has quit (Client Quit) 07:03:44 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 07:07:31 *** Ben|Adium (n=Bensawso@155.42.101.230) has joined #portableapps 07:20:06 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 07:38:15 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:45:18 *** upnPAD (n=upnPAD@CPE-139-168-113-33.lns7.cht.bigpond.net.au) has joined #portableapps 07:54:27 *** ChrisMorgan42 is now known as ChrisMorga 07:54:30 *** ChrisMorga is now known as ChrisMorgan 08:09:12 *** Ben|Adium has quit ("Leaving.") 08:10:44 *** Ben|Adium (n=Bensawso@155.42.101.230) has joined #portableapps 08:11:23 *** Ben|Adium has quit (Remote closed the connection) 08:50:58 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|Away 09:32:39 *** Twinkletoes|W (n=chatzill@izb6d318.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 09:33:09 *** Darwin4Ever (n=Darwin4E@082-146-104-036.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) has joined #portableapps 09:43:14 *** Suiseiseki has quit ("...") 09:46:42 *** Darwin4Ever2 (n=Darwin4E@082-146-104-036.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) has joined #portableapps 09:47:00 *** Guest15964 is now known as Bensawsome 09:55:32 *** ChrisMorgan|Away is now known as ChrisMorgan 09:57:11 *** Horusofoz (n=Jeffrey_@114-30-100-53.ip.adam.com.au) has joined #portableapps 09:57:19 hi all 09:57:39 suspect post: http://portableapps.com/node/21765#comment-136518 09:57:58 Spam. 09:58:27 Gone. 09:58:50 ChrisMorgan: Thanks:) 09:59:06 HTanks. 09:59:15 *** Darwin4Ever has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:02:58 Any news? 10:03:07 I just removed a spam message. 10:03:09 ;-) 10:04:33 Woah really! And here I was hoping for some PA insider scuttlebutt but well that's so much more interesting :p 10:10:04 ChrisMorgan: how goes your GTK PAM concept? 10:10:13 Not going. 10:10:33 I have other things I'm working on... and I don't think PHP-GTK is what it's going to be at all. 10:10:40 Silly idea, who suggested it? ;-) 10:10:54 Your prediction? c++? 10:11:05 Python is my current prediction. 10:11:17 It could go C++ but I doubt it. John doesn't like C++ 10:29:21 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|Away 10:31:02 *** Horusofoz has parted #portableapps () 11:46:52 *** ZachThibeau (i=zachthib@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 11:46:52 ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k 11:48:22 Just for the record: to let you all guys know, I'm taking a leave of absence, I don't know when I'll be back, I just have some personal issues in my life that I need to take care of 11:48:52 fear not, I will be back someday 11:49:02 keep the peace 11:49:12 *** ZachThibeau is now known as ZachT|ZNC 12:04:55 *** SrgSiler|Sleep is now known as SrgSiler|ZNC 12:10:56 *** upnPAD has quit ("leaving") 13:00:44 *** Artio (n=_@port-91095.pppoe.wtnet.de) has joined #portableapps 13:24:57 *** hevadela (n=Henk_Nie@80.101.98.127) has joined #portableapps 13:25:50 *** hevadela has parted #portableapps () 13:31:44 *** m_agerlin (i=5735eafc@gateway/web/freenode/x-osaxvfufpvtuktcx) has joined #portableapps 13:31:51 File location are supposed to be like this: ...\PortableApps\Myapplication\Myapplication.exe But I've got an application with this file structure: ...\PortableApps\NotMyapplication\bin\NotMyapplication.exe Can I put something in PortableAppsMenu.ini to include this app in the menu? I've tried put a link to bin\NotMyapplication.exe in ...\PortableApps\Myapplication\ but it appears that only *.exe files are being recogn 13:37:55 *** m_agerlin has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 13:40:19 *** m_agerlin (i=5735eafc@gateway/web/freenode/x-jpneqnozbqmekghu) has joined #portableapps 13:41:18 help 13:41:18 m_agerlin: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums 13:41:31 File location are supposed to be like this: ...\PortableApps\Myapplication\Myapplication.exe But I've got an application with this file structure: ...\PortableApps\NotMyapplication\bin\NotMyapplication.exe Can I put something in PortableAppsMenu.ini to include this app in the menu? I've tried put a link to bin\NotMyapplication.exe in ...\PortableApps\Myapplication\ but it appears that only *.exe files are being recogn 13:46:38 *** pa_5066 (i=5288e65c@gateway/web/freenode/x-npdzyuerymojqfmu) has joined #portableapps 13:46:52 *** Artio has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13:52:34 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 13:52:43 *** pa_5066 has quit ("Page closed") 13:54:33 *** m_agerlin has quit ("Page closed") 14:08:51 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 14:27:19 *** SteveLamerton (n=kvirc@254.28.125.91.gr6.adsl.brightview.com) has joined #portableapps 14:42:53 *** vicc_portugal (i=5f45489f@gateway/web/freenode/x-fowtjbsentzoajuh) has joined #portableapps 14:43:57 hi 14:44:53 hello vicc_portugal 14:53:30 *** Oni-Neoxes (n=Oni-Neox@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 15:01:32 *** rajin (n=_@port-91095.pppoe.wtnet.de) has joined #portableapps 15:13:34 *** ChrisMorgan|Away is now known as ChrisMorgan 15:21:32 *** ChrisMorgan42 (n=ChrisMor@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 15:24:38 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Nick collision from services.) 15:24:43 *** ChrisMorgan42 is now known as ChrisMorgan 15:24:45 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|Away 15:54:11 *** SrgSiler|ZNC is now known as SergentSiler 15:58:45 *** vicc_portugal has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 16:03:19 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 16:03:41 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit ("Quit... 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He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info 16:28:49 *** Bensawsome is now known as Guest95566 16:29:37 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Connection timed out) 16:33:35 *** Elen (n=_@port-91095.pppoe.wtnet.de) has joined #portableapps 16:34:15 *** Elen is now known as Guest45876 16:34:34 *** Twinkletoes|W (n=chatzill@izb6d318.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 16:35:20 *** Twinkletoes|W_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:41:43 *** tednich (n=ted@adsl-99-36-13-233.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 16:49:45 *** rajin has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16:49:45 *** Guest45876 is now known as rajin 16:56:37 *** Res2216firestar (i=Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 17:01:10 *** xangua has parted #portableapps ("http://is.gd/3HjzP no se si reírme o sentir lástima") 17:04:27 *** TimClark (i=0c49f005@gateway/web/freenode/x-xhdvdggaisxsemwe) has joined #portableapps 17:05:09 Hello TimClark :-) 17:05:22 Haven't seen you in for quite a while, velcumm back :-) 17:05:40 hello 17:06:24 Just passing by on my way to a couple of PMs 17:12:21 I'm off to bed now. G'nite :-) 17:13:47 *** UBXMaster (n=ubxmaste@17.240.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com) has joined #portableapps 17:13:54 *** UBXMaster has parted #portableapps ("Leaving.") 17:26:22 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("Leaving") 17:32:53 *** ChrisMorgan|Away has quit (Connection timed out) 17:49:48 *** rajin has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17:51:02 *** Res2216firestar (i=Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 17:58:55 *** gluxon (n=gluxon@c-76-23-212-66.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 18:06:14 gluxon: could you remove this post http://portableapps.com/node/21863 18:08:59 ? 18:09:08 yes, you are gluxon 18:09:20 First I do not think you should be a member of the release team 18:09:27 1. you do not even have a realsed app 18:09:34 2. as everyone but you seems to know the RT is a joke 18:09:42 3. you tried to put john in a postion of HAVING to answer you 18:09:50 4. you gave another AW the oppertuinty to make worthless comments: 18:10:14 Fine, it's gone. Sorry. 18:10:54 and as Gizmokid2005 pointed out, your other comment was not needed, esp if you did want to be a member :/ 18:11:31 Please think before you post, really, sometime you just babble 18:12:07 and not every GD post needs a smiley in it, and espeiclly not 3 in addition to your sig 18:18:46 Alright, I'll use less smileys and remove the one from my sig. 18:18:48 *** Gizmokid2005 changed the topic to: "Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. Visit us at http://portableapps.com/ | If you need assistance, just say "help!", or ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | The #PortableApps IRC rules are here: http://gizmokid2005.com/paircrules Read and abide by them." 18:32:06 *** xangua (n=xangua@unaffiliated/xangua) has joined #portableapps 18:51:34 *** ptmb (n=PTMblogg@a109-50-162-206.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 19:05:22 gluxon: sorry for not replying, Gizmokid2005 's new topic appeared right after you spoke and I did not see it, thank you 19:05:39 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("Leaving") 19:07:33 Nice, Gizmokid2005 , very nice 19:07:53 thanks TimClark 19:08:03 Now hopefully people read and abide by them. 19:10:11 TimClark: from PP: 19:10:12 "Sure thing. Try to look today if not late tonight." 19:10:30 *** BjornH has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:12:14 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|AFK 19:34:23 *** Guest95566 is now known as Bensawsome 19:38:49 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 19:42:59 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 19:54:55 *** SteveLamerton (n=kvirc@254.28.125.91.gr6.adsl.brightview.com) has joined #portableapps 19:55:15 Hello all 19:56:33 hello SteveLamerton 19:57:17 Hello Gizmokid2005 19:57:32 *** Alexander___ (n=Alex@cpe-98-14-174-101.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 19:58:08 hi SteveLamerton 19:58:13 Hi TimClark 19:58:44 hey all 20:03:25 hello Alexander___ , welcome, do you need some assitance today ? 20:12:03 *** tednich has quit ("Leaving.") 20:24:10 nope - just hangin out 20:24:11 hehe 20:25:02 ok, enjoy 20:26:20 Well it is done, I have officially applied to give a talk about PortableApps.com at FOSDEM 2010! 20:27:06 SteveLamerton: remind us, what is FOSDEM ? 20:27:45 FOSDEM http://www.fosdem.org/2010/ Is the biggest open source meetup in Europe! 20:28:05 ty 20:28:29 here's a random question - anyone in here use PA apps, but diff app launchers? 20:29:34 yes, and know, i use the U3 LaunchPad, but not to lauch our apps 20:29:42 and *no 20:30:47 what do u use u3 for? 20:31:07 to lock my drive and run U3 only apps 20:32:12 i see 20:33:27 ive been in the process of building a nice group of port apps, etc - and trying to get as many perspectives as possible 20:33:46 U3 is a seperate platform that basically must be built into the drive firmware, you can't add it to other drives that are not set up for it 20:34:00 right 20:34:06 So if you don't have one, ours is a better choice 20:34:59 what about wholly independent ones though - ie Asuite 20:35:05 pstart, et al 20:35:07 I don't 20:35:43 I used PStart for a while 20:35:56 basically just for naviagtion 20:35:59 right 20:36:20 have not lauched it in ages 20:37:09 maybe ill give the PA platform another shot 20:37:57 good for you, it's very popular and getting better, but we move slowly in making changes to make sure they work and are stable 20:38:39 there's no registry additions or anything right - i know some "portable apps" add to ur pc's reg 20:39:41 if you mean the platform itself no, but 20:40:06 but some of the apps make temporary changes which are backed up and restored afterwards 20:40:31 BUT they are not stealth, and don't attempt to be 20:40:43 backed up and stored back to ur flash drive right? i guess i meant permanent reg additions 20:41:01 correct 20:41:09 gotcha 20:41:21 one of my favorite words 20:42:37 correct? yeah me too. i hear it CONSTANTLY 20:42:38 haha 20:43:55 not, "gotcha" is one of my favorite words 20:44:01 no* 20:44:55 i know - i was jk 21:16:03 *** SteveLamerton has quit () 21:19:01 *** xangua has parted #portableapps ("http://is.gd/3HjzP no se si reírme o sentir lástima") 21:23:47 *** Res2216firestar (i=Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 21:36:47 *** Ben|Adium (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 21:39:22 *** Bensawsome has quit ("OBAI D:") 21:40:51 *** StatBot has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:41:07 . 21:41:09 Speaking as a non dev here, 21:41:19 It would seem to me that if you expect the release of 0.48 to take more than a couple of days we should should have a Rev 2. 21:41:28 Otherwise folks who are downloading it now will be getting these same remains, no ? 21:41:34 Tim 21:42:01 Wait, who are you talking to? 21:42:18 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("Leaving") 21:42:21 wrong tab, sorry 21:42:42 oh. 21:45:51 *** Ben|Adium has quit ("Leaving.") 21:49:25 *** Bensawsome (n=Bensawso@c-76-19-255-93.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 21:49:25 Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info 21:49:32 *** Bensawsome is now known as Guest13308 21:51:35 *** Guest13308 has parted #portableapps ("The awsome is gone :(") 21:57:35 *** Bensawsome (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 21:57:36 Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info 22:44:03 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 22:47:51 Guys, i'm confused, doens't paf.exe mean PA.c PAF complient ? 22:48:07 yeah. 22:48:08 that's the point TimClark. 22:48:42 so if an app is leaving behind settings that it should not it is not PAF complient , right ? 22:48:49 No. 22:49:01 PAF just means PortableApps.com Format. 22:49:18 Should that be a concern for us, even if it's not one of our releases 22:49:34 In other words it means that the app integrates into the menu. 22:49:39 gluxon: actually, if it's leaving behind settings, it doesn't follow the Format, therefore isn't compliant... 22:49:56 The format spec includes cleaning up after itself. 22:50:15 It does? 22:50:26 duh gluxon , just duh 22:50:38 Yes gluxon 22:50:43 what specs are you following 22:51:02 Oh yeah, it does :P 22:51:14 think before typing 22:51:50 Anyway, i think we should be concerned if Freeware apps are listed but not up to speck 22:51:59 ? 22:52:08 Which freeware apps aren't paf? 22:52:21 gluxon: it doesn't matter really. 22:52:21 you to the fourm gluxon 22:52:38 gluxon: all of our OSS released apps have followed format or had revisions to do so. 22:53:22 I'm confused :/ 22:53:28 gluxon: then stay out of it. 22:53:52 um... ok? 22:54:11 "We did not make the app, they did, so it's not our problem to fix" will last about 5 minutes 22:54:33 gluxon: it's not hard to understand. The PA.c Format includes EVERYTHING in PA.c format, including cleaning up after itself, the file/folder structure, etc. 22:55:02 gluxon: http://portableapps.com/tracker 22:55:08 Yeah, I thought it was just file/folder structure, until you just told me it also involves cleanup. 22:55:28 you must be kidding, your working on an app :O 22:55:45 me? 22:55:45 and you wanted to be RT ? :O 22:56:10 gluxon: I suggest you read the format page again, especially this: http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format#hostpc 22:56:37 *** JohnTHaller (n=JohnTHal@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 22:56:44 Cleaning up after itself is THE most important part of being a portable app, more important then putting user data isn /data 22:56:44 Hi all 22:56:50 Hey John :D 22:56:50 hello JohnTHaller 22:57:01 bad timeing JohnTHaller , i think 22:57:07 why 22:57:08 hello JohnTHaller 22:57:30 we are discuusing if PAF is PAF if it does not work 22:57:44 Any chance this related to InkScape? 22:57:50 yup 22:57:51 O_O 22:57:55 How'd you know? 22:58:00 Hello JohnTHaller 22:58:00 Lemme sum up my thinking on it, ok? 22:58:07 gluxon: like tim said, look at the tracker. 23:00:04 Yes, PAF requires you not to leave stuff behind. Yes, we will delay an app we are doing if it does leave stuff behind. So, yes, the current Inkscape release isn't 100% compliant due to a bug. But it was released before the bug was caught... so it's a release with a bug in it, which we have had before, we have with a couple other apps at this very moment, and will likely have in the future... that doesn't mean it needs to be 23:00:38 JohnTHaller: "needs to be".... (you got cut off). 23:00:51 ... that doesn't mean it needs to be pulled or freaked out over. We call it a bug, address it in due course and move on. In this case, I want Chris to check if Inkscape's schedule matches our thoughts... if not, we'll work with them on a Rev 2 within a couple weeks to address the issue. 23:01:11 (that get through all the way to "...address ths issue." ? 23:01:21 JohnTHaller: yep, that time you're good 23:02:07 So yeah, it's a bug. It's not a hugely serious, PULL THE RELEASE NOW AND WARN EVERYONE bug. We have other apps that have left folders or accidental file extensions before. We file it as a bug and address it as soon as possible. 23:02:39 the following is blunt , to make a consice point: 23:02:46 We don't ignore it and brush it under the rug. Or hide behing the "no personal data" part of our definition and call it good enough. Basically, it's somewhere in the middle. 23:02:47 The PAF format is not worth a bucket of warm spit if it does not mean that the app must clean up after itself properly when it is released, if not it should be pulled until it does 23:04:34 This is a fear that many folks have expessed about freeware releases 23:04:51 Who says they are really paf? 23:04:53 Let me be blunt in reply and say, no damn way will we pull major releases for minor bugs. Period. No software shop on earth does that. Nor should they. Leaving a registry key or two behind is a bug. And an important one to fix. But it is NOT release pull-worthy. Skype currently has a registry issue on some PCs. As does Foxit. Both are bugs, documented in posts, and being addressed. 23:05:56 Even when there is a known security issue in, say, Firefox... or Adobe Flash... or another product, they don't pull the app. Nor do they post huge warnings on the download page. They get on it, do an update, test it, and get it out as soon as they can. 23:06:27 Look at this in relation to that... this is much further down the bug-severity scale than a security bug... and you want to pull software down and post warnings over it? 23:10:01 I don't want anything pulled, but before we post a "release" don't you think we should test it to see that it is infact PAF complient ? 23:10:42 We should know what works better then the folks who just make a paf cause they want to get listed 23:10:48 It was, multiple people had tested multiple versions of Inkscape and it passed as PAF-compliant. But we missed something. It happens. If we'd caught it before release, we'd have worked on it. 23:11:50 Stop being sensationalist, Tim. You know Chris worked on this for MONTHS. It was in testing with multiple Inkscape test releases for MONTHS. And it always passed multiple testers. It was only a bug in a later release that testers missed. Chris already knows what it is and is working on it. 23:12:43 This isn't as if someone came in and posted a PAF with no testing like you're implying. Or that multiple people found non-compliance issues and the reports were ignored. It was something that was missed. It's a bug. It'll be addressed. And we'll all move on. 23:13:42 Not to be annoying but I'm just a little curious? Why can't the launcher handle it? Why's it an Inkscape bug if it's just registry? 23:15:03 Go back and read the thread. It's an Inkscape bug in that it's leaving a key it shouldn't. I asked Chris to look into it and see what kind of timing they are thinking for Inkscape 0.48 and if it's too far outside, to ask about doing a 0.47.0.1 PAF. Remember, Inkscape Portable is *NOT OUR APP* anymore... it's Inkscape's. So bug in launcher or app, we need to do the fix WITH them. 23:18:00 *** Alexander___ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:19:19 John, as long as we are quick to say, "we are working on it with them", that's fine, but if we come accross as "it's us, not them" we will have problems 23:19:30 *** Darwin4Ever2 has quit ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23:20:03 folks will expect "us" to be able to solve the problem 23:20:38 * correction that should have been "it's them, not us" * 23:24:42 And that is a mentality that comes with freeware releases that I don't like at all. In the end, PA.c is designed around the idea of releasing PORTABLE applications. While I understand that we may not be able to fix thix ourselves, and this case might have to be handled this way, allowing sub-par apps on PA.c just because they're freeware and its not in our hands is not something we stand for. 23:24:43 In the end, I feel that, even if the app/bug is not ours to fix, it's still our responsibility to guarantee the portability and quality of the apps we release. And I don't specifically mean Inkscape with that, as I can understand the situation, but I mean freeware in general, or even all releases that are not ours. 23:26:28 Stop over-sensationalizing. Again. We're *NOT* ignoring this. This is *NOT* some signal that we're gonna let 3rd party apps slide. We're *NOT*. I can say it six ways from Sunday til I'm blue in the face, but I'm done. It's a bug, like any other bug we've encountered, it'll be worked on, it'll be fixed. It's not the end of the frakkin world. 23:27:34 JohnTHaller , please understand, we are expressing what is flying around in PM's at the moment and has been for a while, you are pissed I think, and some folks are afraid to say in public what they are saying in private, you might want to think about that, we are saying what others are thinking 23:28:07 I'm not over-sensationalising, I'm just saying how I feel about this.. I'm not suggesting that you are ignoring this I'm just expressing what I fear will happen with freeware apps if we don't look out. And as I've said, I'm not specifically talking about this Inkscape bug. 23:28:28 This is no different than when we found a bug in the TB launcher or the FF launcher that left a blank directory behind on PCs. It was a bug, it was addressed, but it didn't warrant a revision at the time. 23:29:47 It wasn't the end of the world then. It's not now. Nothing has changed. PAF is a defined spec that must be adhered to. If Inkscape said they weren't gonna fix this, that would be a different story. I mean, come on, this is a bug that was reported *YESTERDAY* people. 23:30:50 JohnTHaller: I'm on your side, but I see where everyone else is coming from. I think a lot of this stems from the fact that a LOT of the recent releases have had issues, or revisions, some multiple times, and a lot of people have stopped by, random users, regulars, etc, expressing concern about how things are going. 23:31:09 Sorry, the day before yesterday. But my point still stands. If we find another bug that isn't addressed within 48 hours, are people gonna scream "THE SKY IS FALLING" again? 23:32:02 yes, JohnTHaller , some folks will, that's the way it works in here 23:32:55 it is human nature, people over dramatize the simplest things, remember the youtube channel scandall? 23:33:07 It's a bug, it' 23:33:18 If anyone asks, it's a bug, it'll be addressed. They always are. 23:33:19 JohnTHaller: you aren't around here as much as you used to be, so I'm just trying to give you a headsup about what's been flying around IRC, etc. People are worried about quality and the project itself. 23:34:05 The simple fact is that we've had a few apps here and there with known bugs for the entire history of the project. We address them with new releases as they come up and push out fixes. Then something else may break 6 months later. It happens. Always has. 23:35:24 Ideally, I'd like to get a true release team to be testing these things out. But everyone bailed on that last time. Most volunteers tested between 0 and 1 app, it seems. If anybody would like to propose re-forming the test team and make a post in the forums, please do. I'll support it. 23:35:26 I know JohnTHaller, I know. Hence why I've been staying on top of KVirc and SB. I've seen it happen. A while ago though, a Revision was always a VERY rare occurence, but it hasn't been so much as of late. So on top of the normal complaints about the platform not being 2.0 Final yet, we've been getting people complaining about all the Revisions and whining because it's not right. 23:36:47 Gizmokid2005, the community is growing, more paranoid people will come, maybe we just need to show them there is no reason to worry about the platorm taking time or the revisions 23:37:22 As for the RT - like I said a while ago when it was flying around the mailing list - there needs to be some type of voting or something to give RT an idea of what to look at, get things rolling. Find a few dedicated people who'd handle it, I know of a few that will, and I would be willing myself now that I have free time. 23:37:29 ptmb: it's not just newbies, it's regulars as well. 23:37:48 oh 23:38:04 We've always had revisions. Even of FF and TB, to be honest (though we try like heck to avoid that now as it looks worse now that we're so much larger. All the apps released on the homepage have no revisions in them (except Java Portable). In fact, of the last 50 announcements, only 1 (Java) was a revision: http://portableapps.com/news 23:39:25 And of the ones we've had revisions for lately, it's been mainly due to refining the new PA.c Installer functionality (the download and extract features) which we've had growing pains on as it's been exposed to tens of thousands instead of just a dozen testers. 23:39:43 JohnTHaller: right, but in the last 2.5 months, there've been 6 revisions posted. 23:40:09 And there will be about 10 more next week for all the old apps that don't work right on Win7 (compiled with old NSIS) and need revisions. 23:40:34 JohnTHaller: fixing compatibility I wouldn't consider a revision. Is that what you plan on doing though, just doing Revs of them? 23:40:40 what apps are you referring to? 23:41:02 It's a new release. Our version setup requires it to be a new version. So it's a revision. 23:41:44 Well if it's been that long since we posted a version, do the apps themselves even have an update for Win7 compatibility? 23:42:56 Hmm... I actually did some of em already. Like Sudoku and Virtual Magnifier. SpeedCrunch needs one. JkDefrag, too. WinDirStat, winmd5sum, Xenon. 23:43:18 No, it's not an issue with the apps. It's our launcher and installer. They were compiled before NSIS had Win7 compatibility. 23:43:43 I know what you mean JohnTHaller, but none of the apps have even a minor update since Win7/our last release? 23:43:53 So basically every app we haven't updated in the last 6 or 7 months has to be revised as they are broken on Win7 RIGHT NOW. 23:44:04 Nope. All those apps are innactive for about a year. 23:44:35 well wait. 23:44:46 I use WinDirStat, Winmd5sum, JkDefrag, all on Win7... 23:44:51 SpeedCrunch's last release was May 08. 23:45:23 Yeah, and at some point, you got a Win7 prompt that said the installer didn't complete properly and you dismissed it. Or you said it did (and Win7 remembers that). Or you disabled UAC or set it lower. 23:45:46 On base Win7 install, if you use any of those apps right now, it triggers the Win7 installation compatibility assistant. 23:45:47 Ahh, that makes sense. I always disable UAC, can't stand the annoyances. So there's the difference. 23:46:04 And it'll do that on every Win7 machine you run it on. 23:46:12 So, yeah, that warrants a revision. 23:46:46 And it is a new version since the installer is updated. And since the app isn't updated... we gotta call it a revision. No fun, but we have to. I may just do it as a single announcement, 23:47:22 yeah, that'd be a better idea imho 23:47:28 Some other apps will be repacked to the latest PA.c installer. The apps themselves won't change, just be repackaged. Those, I may call a REPACK and not announce (since there's no need to update for people). It's just so it works better with the PA.c updater. 23:48:09 Well, There's got to be a better way to say it JohnTHaller. Most people think of a real problem when it's a revision 23:48:20 Maybe just call them Compatibility updates? :D 23:48:53 A revision just means it was updated. That's all. And that's what we call it outside their versioning. We've done many before where we just added features to the launcher (portablize something new, add a new command line switch) and call it a revision. 23:49:08 We use revisions to denote our updates outside the main app updates. Always have. 23:49:41 Alright... I'm late for a holiday party and must run. Please continue any meaty conv in the forums so I don't miss it and can chime in. Later all. 23:50:00 bye JohnTHaller 23:50:31 goodbye JohnTHaller 23:50:42 goodbye 23:50:59 Sorry if I was a bit sharp tonight... I was being scorned for being late the whole time I was chatting. 23:51:36 But I wanted to be sure to at least explain it a little. Maybe I shoulda summarized it in the forums later... too late now... out the door 23:51:38 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps () 23:52:08 What does "meaty" mean by the way ? 23:52:40 I think it may be an expression for a "rich in content" conversation 23:52:50 in my opinion the "meaty" stuff never even made it into the channel but stayed in PM :/ 23:52:53 at least it is what it seems to me 23:53:52 ty ptmb , so i guess the background stuff was more "juicy" then "meaty" :O