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D:") 12:42:30 *** andreasma (n=andi@p4FE35DC9.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 12:43:12 hi 13:37:07 *** pa_5559 (i=7aa9005f@gateway/web/freenode/x-fwvcsefnfshjhhhc) has joined #portableapps 13:38:21 hi 13:38:35 Hi, pa_5559! Can we help you with anything? 13:39:05 hi Chris..can portable apps be used for a custom developed application 13:39:30 Sure, but if you're wanting to make it work portably, you'll need to do some work yourself. 13:40:06 anything in specific that needs to be taken care while developing the application . 13:40:16 If you just want to get something to show in the PortableApps.com Platform, see http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingotherapps 13:40:35 .NET is troublesome; most machines don't have it installed. 13:40:45 ok.. 13:40:55 Other than that, just about anything can be made portable with a bit of work. 13:41:18 Are you the developer of an application or are you just trying to use someone else's application? 13:41:25 i am a developer 13:41:34 OK. What's the program? 13:41:49 yet to start actual development on this one.. 13:41:57 OK. 13:42:20 What will it do when it does? 13:42:24 need a program that will run from a portable drive.. 13:42:42 i am awaiting details of the specs.. 13:43:13 but the req. is not to install the program on the pc.. 13:43:32 What is the program you're about to write meant to do though? 13:43:38 Is it for a client? 13:44:05 yea it is for a client...i still do not have complete specs.. 13:44:10 OK 13:44:21 My preferred technique for portability is to put data in %APPDATA% normally and support an environment variable override which can then be set by the launcher to make settings go somewhere else. 13:44:46 ok 13:45:01 When I did Inkscape Portable I submitted a patch to make it read the environment variable INKSCAPE_PORTABLE_PROFILE_DIR first. That's how the final Inkscape Portable does it. 13:45:28 ok 13:46:04 Toucan is a custom-developed application, developed specially for PortableApps.com; I believe it doesn't need a launcher because of how it works. 13:46:11 For it there is no non-portable build. 13:46:32 If your application is only needed for working from USB disks, it would probably be easier to do it that way. 13:46:35 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 13:46:45 What language were you intending to write it in? 13:47:20 .net or java 13:47:56 Avoid .NET then for portability. With Java, you will need a launcher to invoke Java Portable which will need to be installed on the device. 13:49:13 ok...thanks Chris..i just hit this site..let me go thru the link that has the doc.. 13:49:27 i feel this should help me in more than one application.. 13:49:31 Yep, http://portableapps.com/development is the spot :-) 13:49:46 It's got some helpful guidelines etc. 13:49:54 ok..Thanks a lot! 13:49:58 I'd suggest that you write the application though before bothering with portability. 13:50:22 well i can try it with one of already existing application.. 13:50:29 before the new project starts.. 13:50:43 By the time you are finished, we should have our universal launcher finished and then the final stage of getting it into the PortableApps.com Format will be a lot easier - INI work rather than more coding 13:51:04 Feel free to come back with any questions you have :-) 13:51:11 or develop a small one for testing purposes.. 13:51:37 yea sure..nice work here..thank again 13:51:52 At http://chrismorgan.info/#portableapps-applications I have a few Java ones listed 13:52:08 ok cool 13:52:09 They may be useful in seeing how Java can be handled 13:52:16 k 13:52:29 With Java also it's fine to just use user.home for settings 13:53:14 In calling javaw.exe -Duser.home="..." can be stuck onto its command line and the settings will be redirected to the specified location. 13:53:14 can i also use this for a web based application? say ..php mysql 13:53:27 Hmm... 13:53:36 That's a bit trickier to say. 13:53:56 It's been attempted a couple of times 13:54:04 or maybe an application that requires a payment gateway connection.. 13:54:13 I'd tend to just say use a XAMPP server and be done with it that way. 13:54:37 Payment gateways can be handled in Java or any decent language 13:54:49 ok.. 13:54:58 e.g. GnuCash is a full-fledged accounting piece of software, we've got a portable version of it. 13:55:15 yea i have that on my box..its a nice one.. 13:55:26 I don't use it myself, but it's good :-) 13:55:35 :) 13:55:55 actually i have a situation in one of of my online apps.. 13:56:14 Learn Python and use Django! ;-) 13:56:34 it has considerable forms and the user finds its irritating to enter all the data being online.. 13:56:45 OK 13:56:51 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|Away 13:57:07 i was thking of an app. that will allow him to enter data offline...and then sync it on the server 13:57:32 *** Suiseiseki (n=desudesu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 13:58:06 *** ChrisMorgan|Away is now known as ChrisMorgan 13:58:08 Sounds sensible. 13:59:25 so i was thking of developing an appl that can run from a portable.. 13:59:45 the online version is .net 14:00:34 It's still possible to do other than in .NET, but not quite as easy 14:00:41 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|Away 14:05:53 hey Chris..thanks for your time..will come back later after i have read the entire thing.. 14:05:58 have a great day 14:06:01 bye 14:06:11 *** pa_5559 has quit ("Page closed") 14:11:36 *** Res2216firestar (i=Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 14:44:21 *** JohnTHaller (n=JohnTHal@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 15:19:10 *** ChrisMorgan|Away is now known as ChrisMorgan 15:19:14 Hello JohnTHaller, how're things going? 15:20:06 hi ChrisMorgan. not bad. lot of late coding nights lately 15:20:21 waiting on a SF issue atm 15:24:26 *** andreasma has quit ("Verlassend") 16:00:14 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 16:21:25 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|Away 16:43:35 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 16:43:39 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 16:49:22 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 16:51:55 *** Whibo (n=Whibo@unaffiliated/whibo) has joined #portableapps 16:56:48 *** Whibo has quit (Client Quit) 16:59:05 *** ChrisMorgan|Away is now known as ChrisMorgan 17:18:46 *** Darwin4Ever (n=Darwin4E@082-146-105-124.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) has joined #portableapps 17:20:09 Goodnight now... hope you get lots of work done, John :-) I'm hoping to see 2.0 come out soon... and then the launcher and everything in Mercurial :-) Oh, and Steve would like shell access so he can move the Toucan repository, I think he's worked out exactly what he needs to do with it to preserve everything (it's fairly straightforward, just a matter of making sure you get it right). 17:21:29 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|Away 17:35:09 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("Leaving") 17:40:13 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 17:43:55 *** ChrisMorgan|Away has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:50:36 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 17:56:40 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 18:03:40 *** xangua (n=xangua@unaffiliated/xangua) has joined #portableapps 18:22:32 *** xangua has quit ("http://is.gd/3HjzP no se si reírme o sentir lástima") 18:42:26 *** Agito (n=Usman@mbl-109-39-207.dsl.net.pk) has joined #portableapps 18:43:37 *** Alcasar (i=40125748@gateway/web/freenode/x-bfqordxriasyslan) has joined #portableapps 18:44:30 There hasn't been any news for 10 days. Is everyone on vacation for the holydays. ;-) 18:55:56 Actually, we haven't been able to post to SourceForge in 33 hours. 25 files are currently stuck. 19:00:56 ok, is the 2.0 platform finished? what about firefox portable 3.5.6? 19:04:26 *** Alcasar has quit ("Page closed") 19:09:50 *** SteveLamerton (n=kvirc@91.125.246.97) has joined #portableapps 19:10:11 Hello all 19:15:04 *** |SteveLamerton| (n=kvirc@113.9.gr6.adsl.brightview.com) has joined #portableapps 19:20:29 *** Alcasar (i=40125748@gateway/web/freenode/x-tgkkngxilvetmnwv) has joined #portableapps 19:21:34 sorry, firefox update 19:26:18 firefox 3.5.6 and 3.6b5 are both stuck. 19:27:28 well, i just updated to 3.5.6 trough the auto update. I hope it won't give me any problems. 19:29:27 BTW, Utorrent portable doesn't work. Maybe it's because i'm behind a proxy, but it won't even open and keeps saying there's an error or something. 19:33:49 *** SteveLamerton has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:57:32 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 20:00:49 *** |SteveLamerton| has quit () 20:15:40 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 20:22:23 µTorrent Portable 1.8.5 Build 17414 does not work but µTorrent 1.8.5 Build 17414 does, what's wrong with the portable version? 20:49:12 *** Res2216firestar (i=Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 20:50:49 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 20:57:57 Alcasar it would help if we knew what the error was ;) 20:57:58 lol 20:59:04 ok, just a sec 21:00:31 sous-système MS-DOS 16 bits 21:01:03 Le processeur NTVDM a rencontré une instruction non autorisée. 21:02:27 CS:0fc1 IP:019e OP:63 e8 73 20 72 Choisissez 'Fermer' pour mettre fin a l'application. 21:03:15 that's the pop-up i get with 2 buttons Fermer or Ignorer, but both end-up with the application crashing 21:04:11 it's just that if i ignore i have to do it 3 times and then manualy close the command prompt window. 21:11:38 Alcasar have you tried reinstalling it? 21:12:00 Yes 21:12:08 shoot 21:12:11 i need to pack 21:12:15 sorry i couldnt help more 21:12:30 btw, utorrent finaly worked trough TOR 21:13:01 no prob, as i said i made it work but not with the portable version 21:14:16 Alcasar: That error means the EXE is corrupted 21:14:58 well then it happened when i used the Online.paf.exe to install 21:15:08 Did you right-click on it to download? 21:15:28 If you did, you actually downloaded a webpage (HTML) but named as an EXE, which is why it failed. 21:15:29 ??? right-click? 21:15:41 Right-clicked on the download link on PortableApps.com to download it. 21:16:04 no, i got the .pas.exe file alright 21:16:07 As in, right-click and then Save Link As (or Save Target As depending on your browser) 21:16:21 oops paf not pas 21:16:41 So when you double-click on the uTorrentPortable_1.2.3_online.paf.exe it brings up the installer? 21:16:49 yes 21:16:59 So when does the error come up? 21:17:10 it's when i try to use Utorrent 21:17:19 When you installed, was it able to download utorrent.exe as part of the installation process? 21:17:45 ... i think so coz it seemed to install allright 21:17:52 If it worked, if you look in uTorrentPortable\App\utorrent, you'll see utorrent.exe. 21:18:30 it's there but it's only 3k 21:19:10 Yeah. When you ran the installer, something blocked it's ability to download utorrent.exe and stick it in the right place, so it got a blocked webpage instead and saved that as utorrent.exe. Odd. 21:26:09 the proxy i'm on blocks utorrent.com 21:26:28 i got it from cnet.com instead 21:30:36 ah ok. well you can copy the utorrent.exe you downloaded into uTorrentPortable\App\utorrent and it'll work with the portable launcher 21:31:48 ok, but it's still weird that the installer didn't realise it was being blocked 21:34:48 If it's straight up blocked, it realizes it and tells you. But it looks like your proxy sends something down the wire. uTorrent updates its EXE on their server without notice, so we can't check the MD5 checksum on it like we do with the Java online installer and others. 21:36:10 maybe some sort of check to see if the downloaded filesize is sensible would be possibe? Or even better, looking at the returned mime type, if that returns something sensible. 21:37:02 *** BjornH has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:38:18 I can do the size check and was already looking into that. We can't do a mimetype check as inetc doesn't support it. 21:39:36 bye all 21:39:41 *** Alcasar has quit ("Page closed") 21:40:02 yeah, I was kinda expecting that 21:44:34 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 21:54:39 *** BjornH (n=BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 22:01:01 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("Leaving") 22:01:33 RackSpace is down. Again. 22:18:49 *** Bjorn_H (n=BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 22:22:57 *** dbdii407 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:27:08 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 22:27:20 *** Bjorn_H has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:31:30 JohnTHaller: I thought you had a new agreement ready to go with someone else? 22:31:55 Looked into it, but got a good offer to stay. 22:32:09 It's back. Turns out it was a network issue and only lasted a few minutes. 22:33:14 this is what, issue #5 in the last year? 22:33:18 or are we up to 6 now? 22:33:36 well, 10 minute network issues we don't really count. 22:33:45 *** SrgSiler|Sleep is now known as SergentSiler 22:34:32 I would, it's considered downtime. And i've seen a few sites almost die because of issues like that. I still have yet to argue the SLA for my old hosting provider 22:34:39 Most sites advertise 99.9% uptime which is 43 minutes of downtime per month. 22:35:16 yeah 22:35:17 Our SLA with Rackspace is for 100% network uptime. 22:35:27 *** BjornH has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:36:14 After 30 mins of downtime, we get 5% of our hosting fee back. 60 mins is 10% 22:36:48 yeah 22:37:15 I just get irritated when they fail...redundancy isn't expensive...not for something like that. 22:39:16 that's why I got off that host and moved to my own VPS. 22:42:12 The 4 issues earlier were for the power problems. And ours were extended because it hosed our database each time. Everyone else was only down like 45 minutes each time. 22:42:19 5 mins one of the times. 22:42:50 This time was just an edge router causing a loop. So they just had to switch to the redundant one. 22:44:23 yeah, but we had an issue like that at work, our UPS' have some major issues and in the last year I think the power has died 3 or 4 times for something, and personally, that's unacceptable. 22:44:32 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|AFK 22:44:53 but I hope to have a songbird beta out later tonight or tomorrow. I've got the icons, I just have to recompile and test. 22:45:11 Oh I know. That's why I basically mapped out a plan to switch and decided if they have one more big fail, we switch, regardless of cost. 22:45:25 But since this month on Rackspace is essentially free, I decided to try sticking with it. 22:45:33 ahh, makes sense. 22:45:59 The power issues were apparently a big deal, since it cost them like 5 million $. ANd they had like 3 GE electrical engineers in to rebuild the key parts of it. 22:46:53 Yeah, power and redundancy there with UPS' is expensive, but for servers like that, you need it. The system is really, quite simple. Just run everything through a UPS (or set of) to use as failovers and then push those through a switching unit between line power and generator. 22:47:11 but when you have a UPS fail, typically they'll cascade (which is what happened at work, twice), and then you have an issue. 22:47:31 the company would always run the generator (automatically) ever wednesday morning, but they never did failover testing. 22:47:38 which is why the issue happened... 22:47:52 and since that was the key to redundancy, well...you can fill in the rest. 22:49:13 yeah. racdkspace had an issue with two of the huge redundant switches failing. and then the ups connections between it and the generator failed after the electrical storm that knocked it all out. 22:55:05 yeah, that seems to be the big issue with places, they take power failsafes for granted and don't actually test them 23:05:53 *** SrgSiler|AFK is now known as SrgSiler|ZNC 23:19:11 *** Oni-Neoxes (n=Oni-Neox@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 23:27:21 *** Darwin4Ever has quit ("Miranda IM! 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