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01:13:28 <pa_7415> Hello
01:14:44 <dabomb69> Howdy pa_7415
01:15:03 <pa_7415> did anyone speak german?
01:15:32 <dabomb69> I know we do have some people in here that do, but can't say as to whether they're around or not at the moment.
01:16:32 <pa_7415> ok
01:17:14 <pa_7415> how could I create a portable app
01:18:07 <dabomb69> http://portableapps.com/node/14868
01:19:14 <pa_7415> is it difficult
01:22:25 <dabomb69> Sometimes.
01:22:53 <pa_7415> if you know what to do its funny or
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01:28:25 <dabomb69> It depends on the app.
01:30:10 <pa_7415> what could I do,if I have an idea for an Portable app but couldn´t create it
01:35:51 <dabomb69> Post in the request apps forum
01:35:57 <dabomb69> On the portableapps.com site
01:38:01 <pa_7415> ok thynks
01:38:04 <pa_7415> thanky
01:38:07 <pa_7415> thanks^^
01:40:54 <pa_7415> could be Microsoft Visual C++ be portbale
01:42:20 <dabomb69> Probably not.
01:42:54 <pa_7415> why
01:43:42 <NiveusLuna> not freeware or open source, couldn't be put on the site.
01:43:42 <dabomb69> Microsoft stuff is usually REALLY closely tied to the host OS.
01:43:50 <NiveusLuna> that, too.
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01:45:07 <NiveusLuna> don't you need the windows sdk to compile native code if you use M$'s compilers, anyway? that thing's freaking HUGE.
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01:53:20 <pa_7415> could be games be portable
01:53:59 <NiveusLuna> some games are... it depends on the game.
01:54:19 <pa_7415> Counter-Strike-Source?
01:56:28 <NiveusLuna> ...i doubt it.
01:56:41 <NiveusLuna> is it freeware?
01:57:39 <pa_7415> i think so
02:00:13 <pa_7415> but i don´t know
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08:37:04 <Ben|Adium1> lol ChrisMorgan i dont think GizmoBot likes you anymore :P
08:37:12 <Ben|Adium1> making it work too much xD
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08:51:04 <Guest36740> im having trouble with my chip i put it in my phone n it gets hot n it wont even show its inserted can anyone help
08:51:46 <ChrisMorgan> Guest36740: that sounds like an issue with your phone, not with PortableApps.com applications
08:52:24 <ChrisMorgan> You'd do better to contact your phone's vendor.  They should be able to help you better than we'll be able to.
08:52:58 <Guest36740> i also put it on my computer it wont read there either y
08:53:08 <ChrisMorgan> What type of chip is it?
08:53:20 <ChrisMorgan> Have you installed PortableApps.com applications on it?
08:53:27 <ChrisMorgan> It's probably died.
08:53:59 <Guest36740> no i havent its a sd micro
08:54:28 <ChrisMorgan> And you're using it in an SD Micro card reader?
08:54:54 <ChrisMorgan> It's probably best for you to contact the person/company you got the card from.
08:55:21 <Guest36740> got it at walmart
08:55:27 <Guest36740> today
08:56:00 <upnPAD> dya need to format it?
08:56:15 <ChrisMorgan> You could try searching round on the internet to see if you can find anything.  But other than that, just make sure you're using it in a proper SD Micro reader and things like that.
08:56:41 <Guest36740> ok thanks
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15:53:21 <Tex> Hi there...
15:53:36 <ChrisMorgan> Hello, Tex!  Can we help you with anything?
15:53:42 <Tex> at first, sorry for my bad English... we do speak portuguese down here in Br
15:54:22 <Tex> I was installing the Blender 3d that I've downloaded from your website and my McAfee antivirus detected a trojan horse, named Artemis
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15:54:35 <Tex> Did you have noticed that before?
15:54:54 <ChrisMorgan> It's a false positive.
15:54:56 <ChrisMorgan> McAfee have been having a few issues recently.
15:55:02 <ChrisMorgan> Could you please report it to them so that they can fix it?
15:55:13 <Tex> For sure... how do i do this?
15:55:46 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... any way of doing it through the McAfee control panel or whatever they have?
15:55:46 <Tex> In their website/
15:56:04 <Tex> ok... i'll serach from something here....
15:56:13 <Tex> thanks....
15:56:21 <ChrisMorgan> I'm just trying to find one online too
15:56:38 <ChrisMorgan> Oh yeah, if you want confirmation, you can upload it to http://virustotal.com
15:57:00 <Tex> Anyway, the antivirus removed the file... I'll try to contact them to correct this issue.
15:57:05 <Tex> Thanks a lot
15:57:08 <ChrisMorgan> :-(
15:57:08 <Tex> see you.
15:57:21 <Tex> Why r you sad?
15:57:34 <ChrisMorgan> It's probably in a virus vault awaiting your delectation.
15:57:34 <ChrisMorgan> You're welcome :-)
15:57:38 <Tex> for the file?
15:57:38 <ChrisMorgan> It removing it
15:58:51 <Tex> By... and thanks also for the good work with the site... you do really help us to work with legal software... its hard to be honest in some places... again, thanks.
15:59:01 <ChrisMorgan> Glad you like it :-)
16:00:57 <ChrisMorgan> It seems that it's detected Artemis in the Adobe download manager for Firefox recently too.
16:02:30 <ChrisMorgan> http://www.mcafee.com/us/threat_center/dispute/dispute_form.asp
16:02:37 <ChrisMorgan> Found it.  That's where you can report it.
16:03:08 <ChrisMorgan> Think I'll start a list of locations to report false positives.
16:03:56 <Tex> Thanks Chris... I'll report this issue to them and try to install blender again.... see you guys.
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16:19:08 <pa_4796> hello! is anywhere a blog post about how to set up portable apps and truecrypt?
16:19:32 <pa_4796> and should i install true crypt portable ?
16:19:36 <ChrisMorgan> Try searching for "TrueCrypt Portable"
16:20:27 <pa_4796> in google or portable apps website?
16:21:03 <ChrisMorgan> Either will do :-)
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16:23:37 <pa_4796> http://portableapps.com/node/14374 this is what i need ?
16:23:48 <ChrisMorgan> .title
16:23:48 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: TrueCrypt Portable Test 2 | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB drives
16:23:57 <ChrisMorgan> Think there was a newer thing
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16:25:13 <ChrisMorgan> Ah well
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19:01:28 <IEB> Hi rcmaehl
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19:03:13 <MaienM> ehm, rcmaehl left about a hour ago
19:03:23 <MaienM> *half an
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19:44:20 <TimClark> Hello MaienM
19:44:47 <MaienM> hello TimClark
19:45:18 <TimClark> All quiet here?
19:45:43 <MaienM> pretty much
19:46:51 <TimClark> I'm having some trouble with webchat, i had 2 open and when i tried to close one the other acts very strange,
19:47:52 <TimClark> the active typeing area does not work, so when i type it becomes FF "text search"
19:49:16 <MaienM> oh wow, thats weird :/
19:49:18 <TimClark> Any ideas about why this could be, could it be because the javascript of the 2 of them is getting messed up in FF, or is it just that WebCrap sux :P
19:49:38 <MaienM> I thought webcrap was java based
19:49:44 <MaienM> so I'd guess the latter
19:50:15 <TimClark> I'm guessing the FF is getting confused between the 2 tabs
19:50:46 <TimClark> oh well, i will live with it
19:51:57 <TimClark> moving to -ot
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20:11:31 <IEB> MaienM: um...I knew that :]
20:11:47 <MaienM> suuure you did ;)
20:12:26 <IEB> what's up? :)
20:13:11 <MaienM> not much
20:15:10 <IEB> Is there any particular you do related to the portableapps project?
20:15:38 <MaienM> I'm an op in this chatroom, and I'm an developer
20:16:37 <IEB> I've idled here a couple of times. Its always dead :( im glad there's somebody to talk to for once
20:17:19 <IEB> i was just wondering. I was looking at the test releases page. There  so many apps on
20:17:21 <MaienM> well, this room is reserved for support so yeah, unless someone comes in for support its pretty silent in here
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20:17:50 <IEB> there are* so many apps on there*
20:18:36 <MaienM> what apps do you use?
20:18:54 <IEB> Can you tell me why people don't finish working on them? A lot of them are really nice programs
20:19:27 <IEB> I mean do you have any knowledge on this? Or do you just do your own thing
20:20:50 <IEB> http://portableapps.com/development/test
20:21:01 <IEB> i'm talking about that page
20:21:36 <MaienM> well, in some cases people just lose interest in pa.c, or forget about. Others probably lose interest in the progams thelselves. Then you have apps which are not in active development anymore, or which never get popular with the community
20:21:43 <MaienM> and ofc there are various other reasons too
20:22:18 <IEB> also sorry but my irc client is kind of buggy. Every time someone says something I lose a word of what i'm typing
20:22:37 <MaienM> if a developer doesn't do any active work to make people test his app and get the official developers and ultimately JTH to notice it, its unlikely to ever go official
20:24:25 <MaienM> and of sometimes the developer finds out that making it portable is impossible or too much of a challenge and drop the app
20:25:02 <MaienM> to sum it up, there are a million-and-one reasons why an app will never get out of test status
20:25:56 <IEB> That really sucks :(
20:26:33 <IEB> so what makes somebody an "official developer"?
20:27:07 <MaienM> having one of his apps released as an official application on pa.c
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20:29:41 <IEB> So is it a status thing, or does it just mean someone who's merely had an app released
20:30:30 <MaienM> well, I wouldn't say "merely"
20:30:45 <MaienM> having an app officially released isn't as easy as it may sound
20:32:51 <IEB> Yeah i know its hard work. I just meant like, some ordinary person who developed an app, and thats it. No more involvement with pa.c
20:33:10 <MaienM> ah, yeah thats right
20:33:39 <MaienM> being an "official" developer doesn't mean you are involved with pa.c other than that you've had an official release
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20:38:01 <Gizmokid2005> You pinged me IEB?
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20:49:16 <TimClark> Hello pa_7772 , can we help you today, or are you just passing by ? :D
20:49:20 <pa_7772> I am new to the concept of portable apps. Please tell me, is it possible to install any program or only those specifically for the portable apps program?
20:50:19 <TimClark> pa_7772: the app must be poratable to install on our menu, but it does not have to be one of ours
20:50:48 <TimClark> Some programs are very portable to start with, some can be made portable, others can not
20:51:19 <pa_7772> My intention was to install a copy of Dassault Systems "SolidWorks" on a 100GB usb drive. I get the impression that this would not be possible.
20:52:19 <TimClark> If the app is not portable already you may need to have a launcher made to take care of things
20:52:20 <TimClark> do you have a link to more info about Solidworks?
20:52:45 <pa_7772> Certaily. One moment please...
20:53:47 <pa_7772> http://www.solidworks.com/
20:54:22 <TimClark> checking
20:55:54 <TimClark> Well i don't know much about it myself, do you know off hand if it can be run from a usb drive already w/o being installed on the host machine
20:55:54 <TimClark> As in have you tried that yet
20:56:59 <pa_7772> I honestly haven't tried that. I never considered having it installed anywhere other that the system drive.
20:57:28 <TimClark> moment
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20:58:00 <pa_7772> I recently lost my laptop which left me with my compliment down. It would be nice to take the usb drive to any pc and run the application.
20:58:28 <TimClark> well here is a link with some information which can get you started if you want to see if you can make it portable yourself  http://portableapps.com/node/14868
20:58:57 <pa_7772> Thank you for your assistance!
20:59:28 <TimClark> you are welcome
20:59:29 <TimClark> Have you done any programing at all already
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21:03:19 <TimClark> Gizmokid2005: or MaienM , would trying to just copy the app to a usb drive and see if it works be the first step
21:03:35 <TimClark> or would you try installing to see with a tracker first
21:03:39 <MaienM> depends on what you want
21:03:51 <Gizmokid2005> well, from what I can tell, it's all commercial software.
21:03:52 <TimClark> you know, reg and file checker type thing
21:04:02 <MaienM> if you want to make it really portable, or are concerned about it leaving stuff behind, using a tracker would be first
21:04:31 <MaienM> if you just want to take it with you, installing it seeing if it Just Works (tm) would be first
21:05:02 <TimClark> but if it could RUN by just being copied that would be a good sign, right
21:05:21 <MaienM> well yes
21:05:21 <TimClark> You would have half your work done already
21:05:38 <TimClark> You could then work on the cleaning up afterward part
21:05:40 <MaienM> that is, if it would run on ANOTHER computer as the one you installed it on
21:06:11 <TimClark> No MaienM , my first test would be to copy the app to a usb drive and  run it on a new computer
21:06:42 <TimClark> just to see if it would even run that way first, kinda down and dirty, i know :/
21:07:34 <MaienM> thats not the way I'd start if I'd want to make it trully portable. If I just wanted to take it with me, unconcerned by whether it will not leave stuff behind, then jes thats the first step I'd take
21:07:53 <MaienM> but yeah, I suppose you could start out that way too
21:08:08 <TimClark> Well, i did say it was down and dirty :P
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21:11:41 <TimClark> You have to remember MaienM , as a non dev, my first concern is does it "just work" and does it do "no harm" to the host
21:12:11 <TimClark> obviously i would not consider changes to the host that effect funtionality to be a success
21:12:43 <TimClark> but i have never been too worried about harmless stuff being left behind
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21:15:20 <GizmoBot> Chazz is the awesome developer of Bash Portable http://portableapps.com/node/20277 and GEdit Portable! (And Gnumeric Portable) :D
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22:04:32 <IEB> Thanks MaienM
22:05:19 <IEB> And sorry about earlier Gizmokid2005. I was just messing around :]
22:05:39 <Gizmokid2005> ah, ok IEB.  Just wanted to make sure...what was the "N70" part for?
22:07:42 <IEB> er...well the client i use is called mirggi. Its for smartphones that run symbian. And whenever you slap someone it gives the model of your phone :P
22:07:59 * IEB slaps IEB around a bit with a large Nokia N70
22:08:08 <Gizmokid2005> Hmmm, I didn't know there was an N70
22:08:25 <Gizmokid2005> must be pure coincidence then.  I used to have (well still do) an E71x that I used, but now I have my N900
22:08:48 <IEB> its about 4 years old now. But i like it cause its durable
22:10:01 <IEB> So is there anything nifty your working on for portableapps?
22:10:32 <Gizmokid2005> Me personally, I'm working on KVIrc and Songbird
22:10:39 <IEB> Or is it all top secret? :)
22:14:26 <IEB> i wish i had the knowledge to work on portable apps
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22:16:30 <IEB> The first thing i'd do is get in touch with everybody who's submitted an app that's on the test release page, and help them finish them
22:17:23 <MaienM> thats.... ambitious :P
22:20:32 <IEB> Seriously though, there's some really nice programs on there. And to think that their stuck on that page forever just makes me sad
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22:23:23 <IEB> I dont know how to code or anything but id say im fairly good with computers. Theres one particular program on the there that should be a piece of cake to make portable. It's just an exe, with its settings kept in an ini file. How could the guy possibly find that too hard to portablize?
22:23:40 <gluxon> :/
22:23:48 <gluxon> Making a PortableApp is not that simple.
22:24:08 <IEB> I know. So theyv been telling me
22:24:29 <MaienM> if you want to try it, why don't you take an look at the field guide?
22:24:33 <MaienM> .def field_guide
22:24:34 <GizmoBot> field_guide is here: http://portableapps.com/node/14868
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22:25:21 <IEB> but its literally an exe and an ini file, in one directory. Nothing to install even, just a simple exe
22:25:44 <MaienM> well then making it portable should be pretty trivial
22:25:53 <Gizmokid2005> IEB: but in that case, a launcher has to be created to make the ini file be stored in /data/ instead of the app folder
22:26:00 <Gizmokid2005> so that it conforms to the specs
22:26:06 <MaienM> yeah
22:26:12 <MaienM> but thats pretty easy
22:26:18 <Gizmokid2005> yep
22:26:26 <MaienM> if only all apps were that easy :P
22:27:11 <Gizmokid2005> yeah...like songbird? :P
22:27:21 <Gizmokid2005> horrid app to portablize...
22:27:28 <MaienM> yeah :P
22:31:02 <IEB> so would you need to actually recode the exe to instead create/look for the ini file in the /data/ folder (the particular app i'm talking about is open source, but wouldnt this be hard to do for a freeware app?) or would the launcher's job be to fool the actual exe into thinking the ini file is where its supposed to be, while in fact its in the data folder?
22:31:50 <MaienM> the launcher would either fool the app, or just move the file before/after running the app
22:32:41 <MaienM> when possible, fooling the app is preferred since it will work even if the launcher crashes
22:33:43 <MaienM> if not, you'd have to make the launcher take the possibility of it being crashed (and the ini file being were it'd normally be instead of in the data folder) into consideration
22:34:02 <MaienM> which sounds a lot harder than it is
22:37:36 <IEB> What languages can you program with MaienM?
22:38:48 <MaienM> ehm... python, C++, C, NSIS, PHP, probably some other stuff I can't remember right now
22:39:26 <IEB> NSIS is a language?
22:39:37 <MaienM> arguably
22:39:48 <MaienM> just mentioned it since we use it for our launchers
22:39:59 <IEB> Haha
22:40:01 <MaienM> I wouldn't really consider it a programming language though
22:40:28 <IEB> so how did you learn? What language did you learn first?
22:40:41 <MaienM> I started about 9 years ago with HTML
22:40:51 <MaienM> after a while I moved onto PHP
22:41:03 <MaienM> and after that the floodgates opened and there was no going back
22:41:14 <MaienM> learned C++/C and python shortly after that
22:42:49 <IEB> How old are you now?
22:42:55 <MaienM> 17
22:43:25 <IEB> Wow...
22:45:08 <IEB> So how should i learn? I have limited resources but i would really like to learn to program. Any place in particular you think i should start?
22:46:08 <IEB> Can you recommend any websites or anything on the internet?
22:46:08 <MaienM> depends on what you want to learn
22:46:14 <MaienM> and for what platforms/etc
22:46:30 <MaienM> what language do you want to learn?
22:47:18 <IEB> err...everything? :]
22:47:47 <MaienM> lol
22:47:56 <MaienM> what kind of stuff do you want to make?
22:48:26 <IEB> Tell me how you got to your level of knowledge. How did you learn?
22:48:55 <MaienM> well, like I said, I started with HTML (which is not really something I'd consider a programming language) and then moved onto PHP
22:49:02 <MaienM> and from that I moved onto other stuff
22:49:31 <MaienM> PHP could be a decent starting point I guess, or python... python os very nice as well
22:49:43 <MaienM> it really depends on what you wish to make though
22:49:52 <MaienM> there are several things you could start with
22:50:05 <MaienM> I wouldn't recommend doing something like C/C++ though
22:50:13 <IEB> But how did you actually learn? Did you read books or take a course at school?
22:50:18 <MaienM> start with something high-level like python or PHP
22:50:22 <IEB> why not?
22:50:31 <MaienM> cause its hard
22:50:52 <MaienM> you don't start with hard stuff when you learn maths either, do you?
22:50:52 <IEB> Any particular reason? :)
22:51:11 <IEB> Not really no
22:51:19 <MaienM> I learned it mostly by just looking up stuff on the internet
22:51:22 <MaienM> and by trying out stuff
22:51:32 <MaienM> I don't own any books on programming
22:51:42 <MaienM> nor did I follow any classes on it
22:52:04 <IEB> but php is a "server side" language right? Its executed on a server
22:52:41 <MaienM> yes
22:52:53 <IEB> so youd need a server to be able to practice coding php right?
22:52:57 <MaienM> altho it CAN be used for desktop programs right
22:53:09 <MaienM> not necicarily, you can easily host one yourself
22:53:26 <MaienM> and while PHP is mainly used for web applications, it is possible to use it for desktop applications too
22:53:28 <Gizmokid2005> IEB: you could use XAMPP Portable from here and do it that way :0
22:53:32 <Gizmokid2005> *:)
22:53:33 <MaienM> although I've never did that
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22:55:55 <IEB> Im so lost. More than anything i wish i could just be somebody's apprentice. I wish there was a website where you could request people to teach you something and people could post their areas of expertise that they could teach you
22:56:10 <gluxon> MaienM: O_O You leanred HTML and PHP when you were 8?
22:56:14 <gluxon> :/
22:56:54 <gluxon> IEB: It's called "Online Tutorials :P" --> http://www.w3school.com/
22:58:14 <MaienM> gluxon: pretty much yeah
22:59:58 <gluxon> How did you find intrest in it? A lot of 8 year olds don't even bother, they just like to play online games.
23:00:33 <MaienM> it started with a dutch magazine I always read that always had articled about computers
23:00:43 <MaienM> most of the time it just was a program or something
23:00:55 <MaienM> but one time they had a 8 page special about HTML
23:00:59 <MaienM> and that got me started
23:01:03 <MaienM> and I just never stopped :P
23:01:05 <gluxon> Oh :P
23:02:07 <gluxon> Any relatives that know this stuff?
23:02:49 <MaienM> none that I know, no
23:03:14 <IEB> Can you tell me what programs you use for coding?
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23:03:46 <MaienM> I just use an text editor
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23:04:04 <MaienM> when I was still using windows I used notepad++ (portable)
23:04:21 <IEB> Html, php, c/c++, python
23:04:43 <MaienM> everything except C/C++
23:04:48 <MaienM> I used code::blocks for that
23:04:57 <MaienM> but I just use a text editor for that too now
23:05:21 <IEB> How do you compile the code?
23:05:31 <MaienM> command line
23:05:57 <MaienM> I'm kind of unexperienced with that though
23:06:09 <MaienM> and I still use Qt Designer for QT related C++ coding
23:06:27 <MaienM> I haven't done much C/C++ coding lately though
23:06:54 <IEB> But that's what id need to develop a portable app right?
23:07:03 <IEB> C++?
23:07:11 <MaienM> nope
23:07:14 <MaienM> NSIS
23:07:30 <MaienM> we do our launchers in NSIS
23:08:53 <IEB> What exactly IS NSIS?
23:09:10 <IEB> I thought it was a program from nullsoft
23:09:27 <MaienM> NSIS stands for Nullsoft Software Installer Script or something like that :P
23:09:36 <MaienM> its mainly designed to make installers
23:10:00 <MaienM> but since its very lightweight we also use it for our launchers
23:11:07 <IEB> What exactly is it though? I'm still confused about that
23:11:45 <MaienM> its a programming, or rather, scripting language
23:12:36 <MaienM> http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Main_Page
23:18:25 <IEB> so let me get this straight. The actual coding part of making an app is basically making the launcher, correct?
23:18:58 <MaienM> the actual coding part of making an portable app is, yes
23:20:33 <IEB> An thats done exclusively using NSIS?
23:21:02 <MaienM> yes
23:21:38 <MaienM> in some cases we decided to work together with the producers of the original app to make it more portable-friendly
23:21:53 <MaienM> but in most cases, NSIS is the only coding you'll have to do
23:22:21 <MaienM> and with the universal laucher (hopefully) coming up, in a while even that will be simplified
23:23:03 <IEB> Tell me about the universal launcher
23:23:39 <gluxon> Yeah, I need to know more about that too :P
23:23:44 <MaienM> well, I don't know much, but it will be reading some info from an .ini file that tells it which registry settings to store, and what files to move
23:23:50 <gluxon> :/
23:23:52 <MaienM> at least, thats what I think it does
23:24:03 <MaienM> I'm not sure, haven't looked at it much
23:24:04 <gluxon> Oh.
23:24:10 <MaienM> .pa universal launcher
23:24:10 <GizmoBot> MaienM: Using Chris&#39;s Launcher: http://portableapps.com/node/21613
23:24:13 <gluxon> Chris's Launcher :(
23:24:33 <gluxon> IEB: that might be what you were looking for in the beginning.
23:24:51 <MaienM> nah, Chris' launcher is superseded by the official universal launcher, but that link might give an indication on how its going to work
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23:26:59 <gluxon> IEB: Please tell me IEB are you initials :/
23:31:49 <IEB> Err...Why?
23:32:55 <IEB> Your webpage needs updating by the way. Ubuntu 9.10 came out ages ago :P
23:33:26 <MaienM> and it sucks
23:34:43 <IEB> Make your own fork of debian if you think you can do better
23:34:59 <MaienM> I'm not saying Ubuntu in general sucks
23:35:13 <MaienM> but 9.10 was one big failure as far as I'm concerned
23:35:23 <IEB> Why?
23:35:25 <MaienM> only introduced a couple of bugs
23:35:50 <MaienM> replaced the build-in beep by some anoying ping sound from the boxes
23:36:08 <MaienM> and no useful changes/improvements from 9.04 at all
23:36:19 <MaienM> at least, none that affect me
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23:37:18 <IEB> 9.04 was intrepid ibex right?
23:37:26 <MaienM> yeah
23:37:30 <MaienM> and 9.10 is jaunty
23:38:12 <MaienM> I used to love Ubuntu
23:38:41 <MaienM> but 9.10 has introduced so much crap for me that at this moment I'm testing other distros to switch to
23:38:55 <IEB> Really fascinating link
23:39:12 <IEB> the one about chris's launcher
23:48:45 <gluxon> :/
23:48:49 <gluxon> MaienM: What?
23:49:04 <IEB> i think youre funny gluxon
23:49:10 <gluxon> O_O
23:51:47 <IEB> I was just reading that page. I thought it was funny
23:53:33 <IEB> so what programs would i need to code(?)/compile(?)/run(?) NSIS?
23:54:02 <MaienM> yes, NSIS
23:54:18 <MaienM> you can download NSIS portable from our app page iirc ;)