00:00:07 *** Darwin4Ever has quit ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00:28:00 *** ptmb has quit ("Bye everybody") 00:29:30 *** NiveusLuna has quit ("So long, and thanks for all the fish!") 00:44:20 *** NiveusLuna (n=rurounib@c-174-51-255-130.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 00:46:55 *** NiveusLuna has quit (Client Quit) 00:47:40 *** NiveusLuna (n=rurounib@c-174-51-255-130.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 01:11:08 *** Res2216firestar (i=Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 01:44:11 *** MaienM is now known as MaienM|Sleep 01:55:58 *** OliverK|Mepis (n=OliverK@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 02:17:58 *** ve4jhj (n=ve4jhj@204.16.150.105) has joined #portableapps 02:18:59 *** gluxon has quit ("Leaving.") 02:19:39 hey all 02:23:02 howdy 02:23:38 I'm sure it's been asked before, but I've got a question about adding a specific app to PAP. The application is WxDev-C++, with my set up thus: X:\PortableApps, X:\Dev-cpp. The application exe is in X:\Dev-cpp, with this folder NOT being able to be put in X:\PortableApps. I'm looking to be able to click on the application icon in PAP, and it open the application from OUTSIDE the PortableApps structure. I'm fairly certain it's not possible, but does an 02:25:01 http://portableapps.com/node/21757 02:25:16 check out that 02:25:55 however, set start to ..\..\Dev-Cpp\dev.exe 02:26:41 replace dev.exe with whatever the executable name for WxDev-cpp is 02:27:19 Heh, there is something out there...I need to add a bookmark to that topic. Thanks, OliverK! 02:36:37 no problem 02:38:38 *** Bill (i=47bf046d@gateway/web/freenode/x-jctymiuonquiivjp) has joined #portableapps 02:41:24 *** Oni-Neoxes (n=Oni-Neox@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 02:43:08 Hello. A new and infrequent user needs advice. Is there an easy way to update multiple applications? I'm sure most of the ~10 apps I installed a couple of months ago have changed. 02:44:10 I swear there was an app for that 02:45:11 *** SrgSiler|AFK is now known as SergentSiler 02:45:48 yeahm you can use the updator 02:46:01 it still has to download and run each one individually though 02:46:05 but it does work 02:47:50 And the updater is accessed how? 02:49:32 I'll go read the instructions if you'll point me to the appropriate item. 02:51:14 hmm 02:52:29 *** OliverK|Mepis has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:54:26 Perhaps someone else can help, because searching the site just shows versions that have been marked outdated. :/ 02:56:43 *** ve4jhj has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02:59:22 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit ("Quit... D:") 02:59:29 I think I installed Portable Apps Setup 1.1 from my notes. I don't see an obvious way to verify the version on the Portable Apps menu 03:00:54 *** OliverK|Mepis (n=OliverK@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 03:01:02 sorry 03:01:06 laptop shut off 03:01:21 .g pa updator site:portableapps.com 03:01:22 OliverK|Mepis: http://portableapps.com/node/21711 03:01:25 .title 03:01:27 OliverK|Mepis: PA.c Updater | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB drives 03:03:34 wow, poor GizmoBot 03:04:52 http://portableapps.com/node/16779 03:04:53 there 03:05:02 .def pa_updater http://portableapps.com/node/16779 03:05:03 OliverK|Mepis: Def manipulation is only allowed in #gizmokid2005, #gizmokid2005-def 03:09:36 So1) PA Updater is a separate application and 2) the most recent is "Version 1.0 Beta 2 (OUTDATED!!!)"? 03:12:17 the first one is wrong 03:12:22 the second is right 03:12:33 its been 'outdatged' but its the most recent thing we have 03:12:42 Repeat from while OliverK|Mepis was offline: I think I installed Portable Apps Setup 1.1 from my notes. I don't see an obvious way to verify the version on the Portable Apps menu 03:12:43 it should work, i've used it a few times. 03:13:00 mostly to see what apps i have installed that need to be updated. 03:14:06 hmm, i need to install wine :) 03:14:16 just a sec 03:15:23 check under options or help 03:15:29 I'll give the PA Updater a try. Even if it only identifies the out of date apps that would be a help.. I'll also try installing the current PA suite. Thanks for the advice. 03:18:05 no prblem 03:18:32 i'm sorry i can't give definitive instructions on how to find the version of the menu, i'm using linux right now 03:18:48 Oh, "Check for Updates" is under Help. So not a separate app?! 03:19:56 I don't see a Help | About or Option | About or equivalent in this older version. Trying the update now. 03:21:30 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("Leaving") 03:22:48 The updater says PA 1.5.2 is available (which even I knew) but does not say anything about other applications I added to try that are not part of the suite. 03:23:33 Bill: with the Platform 2.0 an updater for all applications is coming. 03:23:35 So the updater only applies to the suite itself? 03:23:42 Currently it's just the platform 03:26:04 ChrisMorgan, he wants to update all the packages 03:26:11 the platform checks for updates its elf 03:26:25 .def pa_updaotr 03:26:26 OliverK|Mepis: Sorry, but I don't know about pa_updaotr 03:26:30 greah 03:26:30 i can't tyoe 03:26:43 the pa.com updater will check your installed apps 03:26:49 .join #portanleapps-meta 03:26:52 dang 03:26:53 I'll (im)patiently await 2.0 then. Thanks Oliver and Chris for the help today -- and to all who worked on this interesting tool. Sorry about missing the entry under Help (red face) 03:27:03 no problem :) 03:28:25 Is the "pa.com updater" the same as Help | Check for Updates? 03:28:35 no 03:28:46 it will chesolick for updates to your installed applications 03:29:51 I'm confused. Where is/what is "pa.com updater"? Is that a reference to http://portableapps.com/node/16779 ? 03:30:03 .def pa_updater 03:30:03 pa_updater http://portableapps.com/node/16779 03:30:06 yes 03:30:34 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 03:32:46 I don't know what ".def pa_updater" refers to but from your last answer I take it that is 16779 software I should download and install and run and that it will give me at least a list of the apps that I should (or could) update? 03:35:14 yes 03:38:34 Thanks, all. Off to try the above. 03:44:03 i'm off for the night 03:44:05 goodnight all 03:44:12 *** OliverK|Mepis has quit ("Leaving") 03:45:44 *** Bill has quit ("Page closed") 03:52:01 *** computerfreaker (n=chatzill@64-201-72-179.static.genevaonline.com) has joined #portableapps 03:52:01 computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback 04:28:48 *** computerfreaker has parted #portableapps () 05:04:51 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|Sleep 05:33:30 *** Suiseiseki has quit ("Opera Web Browser 10.50 alpha preview! 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No crashes possible? Nothing making it worthy of a Beta (or alpha) label? 06:37:14 One way is "KidSafe 1.0 Beta 1", Beta 2, 3, ... 06:37:59 Not certain how stable it is yet. agdurrette and ve4jhj are testing the latest version; it seems to be pretty stable, since the only open bug is some cut-off text 06:38:46 Much of 4.* is still there; I essentially pulled out all the unlock text & password protection stuff and replaced it with unlock shortcut stuff instead, so it's got a stable base 06:39:01 I've never used the program so I'm not the best one to comment really 06:39:40 I was wondering what kind of versioning you'd like to see, since you commented it was "really confusing" 06:40:10 I reckon at that stage linear in /any/ way is better. 06:41:01 Maybe you could start at "KidSafe 0.50" and then go 0.51, 0.52, 0.53, ... and when you're at 0.78 and decide it's ready for 1.0, go 1.0. 06:41:10 ok 06:41:19 How does that sound? 06:41:27 sounds ok, but there's one problem 06:42:04 I'm certain it'll never get to 0.78; agdurrette's testing has always been thorough, and there's just one open bug right now 06:42:19 That was just an arbitrary number 06:42:24 ok, great 06:42:26 I would hope you wouldn't have that many issues open... 06:42:43 because I doubt it'll clear 0.65, even if I start at 0.52 06:42:50 There's just one open issue right now 06:42:52 ...that you would need to get up to 38 releases 06:43:07 Maybe you could think of some new features for it? :-) 06:43:12 What language is it in? 06:43:19 just English right now 06:43:30 I meant the programming language. 06:43:36 sorry... REALbasic 06:43:52 i18n would be good for it though 06:44:10 PortableApps.com likes software available in lotsa languages 06:44:20 I'm planning to ask for translations *after* development steadies 06:44:37 right now, I'd be revising translation strings about 3 times a week - not good 06:44:41 Have you got i18n support though? 06:44:53 REALbasic has the capability to do it, yes 06:44:57 Try and stabilise language strings before you stabilise the actual product 06:45:04 Good 06:45:31 and a point release would give me the full potential to work with dynamic language strings instead of hard-coded English strings 06:46:30 right now, the only real language strings are heavily tied into KidSafe - they're primarily the help files, which are updated after most features are added 06:47:00 so I'm pretty much stuck in linear mode - first I have to stabilize development so the help files are stabilized, then I can request translations 06:47:01 I agree with John that you should try to avoid starting at N.0 and then going further but rather keep a bit below N.0 and do it when you're ready - something like [N-1].9.9.9 is one way of doing it, or N.0 Beta Q 06:47:17 I reckon that linear development at your stage is a better idea. 06:47:21 ok 06:47:26 How's this sound? 06:48:00 Start at 0.5.2 (shift the current versioning #'s one place right), and each upgrade is a point release 06:48:49 major upgrades (e.g. several bugs fixed, several new features added, or a mix) gets a 0.x.0 upgrade; minor upgrades (a few bugs, a minor feature) get 0.0.x upgrades 06:49:08 Sounds OK. Not /quite/ linear, but fine :-) 06:49:29 major.minor.point.revision 06:49:47 Seems to fit the original intent of it all 06:49:49 :-) 06:49:58 the problem with linear versioning is it doesn't get across the idea of major vs. minor fixes; a misspelling gets the same versioning upgrade a big security fix would get 06:50:41 Before 1.0 I personally don't think that's so much of an issue 06:50:47 ok 06:50:52 But it sounds fine to me :-) 06:50:57 great, thanks! 06:51:13 * computerfreaker saves IRC log for future reference 06:51:45 I have to head to bed before Dad & Mom take my head off... 'night! 06:51:50 and thanks again for the help & advice! 06:51:53 computerfreaker: there are logs online 06:51:57 palogbot: uri? 06:51:57 http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=2010-01-02#T06-51-57 06:52:07 You're welcome :-) 06:52:23 It's interesting... in Australia we'd tend to say Mum and Dad rather than Dad and Mum. 06:52:33 And we spell mum the *proper* way ;-) 06:52:58 I just wanted to save the log so I always have it handy, instead of looking through online archives ;) 06:53:12 thanks for the link though! 06:53:51 *** computerfreaker has quit ("Bye!") 07:08:37 *** ChrisMorgan is now known as ChrisMorgan|Away 07:21:31 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 07:22:31 *** how2java (i=3a4525aa@gateway/web/freenode/x-shppjufozppxogme) has joined #portableapps 07:22:35 hello 07:22:46 is there anyone here? 07:23:40 i need help in how to make java work 07:37:27 *** how2java has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 07:38:07 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 07:39:04 *** WastePotato has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:02:14 *** WastePotato (n=WastePot@unaffiliated/wastepotato) has joined #portableapps 08:11:42 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 08:28:43 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 09:07:49 *** WastePotato is now known as BotPotato 09:27:43 *** Darwin4Ever (n=Darwin4E@082-146-104-180.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) has joined #portableapps 11:48:40 *** ChrisMorgan|Away has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:59:04 *** Ashhh (n=Ashhh@unaffiliated/ashhh) has joined #portableapps 11:59:33 =] 12:31:27 *** kaeos (n=Miranda@84.76.55.235) has joined #portableapps 12:45:27 *** kaeos has quit () 12:50:58 *** dragonmage (n=newdrago@cpe-075-181-018-020.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 13:04:30 *** drag|grrr (n=newdrago@cpe-075-181-018-020.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 13:04:43 *** dragonmage has quit (Nick collision from services.) 13:04:51 *** drag|grrr is now known as dragonmage 13:09:22 *** dragonmage has quit (Client Quit) 13:11:13 *** Ashhh has parted #portableapps ("This is a part message.") 13:50:47 *** BotPotato is now known as WastePuree 14:42:16 *** MaienM|Sleep is now known as MaienM 14:43:28 *** vicc (i=59d685c8@gateway/web/freenode/x-xwzwxhaopwyvplbn) has joined #portableapps 14:47:38 *** vicc has quit (Client Quit) 15:40:48 *** BjornH has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:46:32 *** BjornH (n=BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 16:46:52 *** ve4jhj (n=ve4jhj@204.16.150.105) has joined #portableapps 17:12:53 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 17:46:20 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 18:01:00 *** Res2216firestar (i=Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 18:27:27 *** ptmb (n=PTMblogg@a83-132-128-25.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 18:53:52 *** ShalomDs (n=nds@217.201.27.132) has joined #portableapps 19:16:46 *** TimClark|me (i=0c49f1db@gateway/web/freenode/x-bcucjfcwprslsgno) has joined #portableapps 19:17:02 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("Leaving") 19:20:22 *** ShalomDs has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:20:33 *** ve4jhj has quit (Nick collision from services.) 19:20:34 *** ve4jhj1 (n=ve4jhj@204.16.150.105) has joined #portableapps 19:20:44 *** ve4jhj1 is now known as ve4jhj 19:35:06 *** WastePuree is now known as WastePotato 19:37:35 *** TimClark|me has parted #portableapps () 19:45:39 *** dbdii407 has quit ("Leaving") 20:00:17 *** gluxon (n=gluxon@c-76-23-212-66.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 20:24:31 *** ve4jhj has quit ("Leaving.") 20:26:52 *** ve4jhj (n=ve4jhj@204.16.150.105) has joined #portableapps 20:28:55 *** rjohnson19 (n=rjohnson@pool-68-163-230-170.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 20:29:37 *** rjohnson19 has parted #portableapps ("Leaving") 20:29:57 *** bubbles| (n=bubbles@unaffiliated/bubbles/x-837322) has joined #portableapps 20:29:58 hi 20:30:21 i have ff installed and installed your portable ff 20:30:22 *** dbdii407 (n=scrapirc@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 20:30:34 *** computerfreaker (n=chatzill@64-201-72-179.static.genevaonline.com) has joined #portableapps 20:30:34 computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback 20:30:45 with -no-remote i can have 2 ffs running if i start portable ff first 20:30:56 but not the other way round (if i start the installed ff first) 20:31:00 any idea what i can do? 20:31:19 bubbles|: did you try setting the AllowMultipleInstances property to true in FirefoxPortable.ini? 20:31:36 where do i need to do that? in the portable or on the installed? 20:31:49 *** powerjuce (n=fake@unaffiliated/powerjuce) has joined #portableapps 20:31:55 In the portable Firefox, look in the Other\Source folder 20:32:03 you'll find an INI file called FirefoxPortable.ini 20:32:21 copy that to the main FirefoxPortable folder so the INI is in the same folder as FirefoxPortable.exe 20:32:48 then, open FirefoxPortable.ini and change AllowMultipleInstances from False to True 20:33:10 ok, i have AllowMultipleInstances=true now but still the same :\ 20:33:15 anything else i should do? 20:33:27 did you close Firefox Portable? 20:33:42 it isn't running (installed ff is running) 20:33:46 ok 20:34:05 which FirefoxPortable.ini did you edit? The one in Other\Source or the one you copied to the main FirefoxPortable folder? 20:34:19 E:\Programme\FirefoxPortable\Other\Source 20:34:25 there's your problem 20:34:47 copy E:\Programme\FirefoxPortable\Other\Source\FirefoxPortable.ini to E:\Programme\FirefoxPortable 20:35:06 ah, ok, sry - i didn't read it correctly :x 20:35:11 that's ok 20:35:12 it works now - thanks! 20:35:16 you're welcome! 20:35:22 anything else we can help you with? 20:35:23 *** SrgSiler|Sleep is now known as SrgSiler|sAFK 20:35:27 one more question, what does the -no-remote parameter exactly do? 20:36:25 I believe it's used to run Firefox with multiple profiles at the same time 20:36:41 so you can have one Firefox window with, say, a work profile and another Firefox window with, say, a gaming profile 20:37:06 that's generally best for installed Firefox though, since you can just create multiple Firefox Portable "installs" to get the same effect 20:37:18 ah, ok... 20:37:20 thanks! :D 20:37:31 np! 20:37:41 why are you being so helpful? (this isn't a commercial product right?) 20:37:48 usually people on irc aren't this nice xD 20:37:51 nope, not a commercial product :) 20:38:05 I'm being helpful because I believe in PortableApps.com and I want it to succeed 20:38:09 I also want its users to succeed 20:38:49 bubbles|, we pride ourselves on being nicer than the average irc :) 20:39:07 that's great - thanks again :) 20:39:19 no problem! 20:40:34 bubbles|: http://turbulentsky.com/how-to-run-multiple-firefox-profiles.html 20:40:45 "Normally, if you start Firefox when a copy is already running, it’ll just start another window using the current profile. To start a completely separate instance of Firefox, add the -no-remote option." 20:41:36 ah, ok - i asked because i saw it here: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1062975 20:42:05 but that doesn't work if you don't use multiple profiles 20:42:38 actually, it should, at least in theory 20:42:41 I haven't tried it though 20:43:22 the -no-remote switch is supposed to start a completely new instance of Firefox instead of just opening a new window with the current profile, so (in theory) it should work across Firefox versions as well 20:45:16 well, it worked partly - if i started ffportable first, i could start the installed ff - but not the other way round (starting installed ff first and then ffportable) 20:46:06 I used to have an installed Firefox and a portable Firefox, and, IIRC, it worked OK regardless of which was started first as long as AllowMultipleInstances was true... I might not be remembering correctly though 20:46:45 yes, with the ini file it works now - without the file it didn't 20:46:54 oh, ok 20:48:03 by the way, if you want to pass Firefox some parameters (e.g. -safe-mode), you can edit the AdditionalParameters value in FirefoxPortable.ini 20:49:36 oh, so i can't do that over the command-line? 20:50:18 I haven't tried it, to be honest 20:50:23 brb, I'll go check 20:51:37 yep, passing the parameters to FirefoxPortable.exe via the command-line works! 20:52:16 in your case, you'd run "E:\Programme\FirefoxPortable\FirefoxPortable.exe" -safe-mode 20:52:31 *** Zarggg has quit () 20:52:32 you can replace -safe-mode with whatever parameter(s) you'd like 20:56:50 ok, thank you 20:57:12 you're welcome! 21:03:05 Question for you guys... 21:03:29 http://portableapps.com/node/21474#comment-138389 21:03:52 what do you guys think about the wisdom of moving KidSafe to Google Code? 21:04:54 my thoughts are already there :P 21:05:43 yes, thanks for the input ve4jhj 21:20:58 Anyone have an opinion, comments, etc.? 21:41:01 *** computerfreaker has quit ("Client Quit") 21:42:24 *** bubbles| has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21:56:52 Anybody know how to setup Mercurial to use in conjunction with PAP? ie., either in PAF, or able to be run using sar3th's guide, etc 22:27:07 *** powerjuce has quit ("Leaving") 22:39:21 *** ptmb has quit ("Bye everybody") 22:57:06 *** ve4jhj has parted #portableapps ("Leaving.") 23:18:42 *** Darwin4Ever has quit ("Miranda IM! 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