00:16:20 *** ptmb has quit ("Bye everybody") 00:16:20 *** Bjorn_H (n=BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 00:21:11 *** TimClark has parted #portableapps () 00:25:52 *** BjornH has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:43:51 *** Bjorn_H has quit ("Leaving") 00:51:49 *** BjornH (n=BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 01:03:05 *** solanus (i=cfacefcf@gateway/web/freenode/x-foyvfaditzdnbjkd) has joined #portableapps 01:03:24 Hey. 01:10:50 *** ZachT|ZNC is now known as ZachThibeau 01:12:05 Hi o/ 01:13:14 hey rmccue 01:17:58 What's shakin? Anybody know how it went for jth in vegas? 01:19:00 solanus: nope. You'll know as much as we do 01:19:01 lol 01:23:21 Well, I can't take the excitement, so I'm off. I'm hoping to release Hugin Portable soon - I just haven't gotten too many comments. No news is good news, eh? 01:23:46 Later all. 01:24:16 sometimes 01:24:17 *** solanus has quit ("Page closed") 01:24:18 see ya solanus 01:24:20 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 01:24:23 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 02:15:39 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 02:15:41 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 02:17:50 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 02:17:52 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 02:39:50 *** WastePuree has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02:49:00 *** OliverK (n=WifiWomb@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 02:53:02 *** Bensawsome (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 02:53:05 Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info 02:53:21 hello ben :) 02:53:37 ohai OliverK 02:53:39 wazzup 03:06:35 *** Bensawsome has quit (lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:06:35 *** rmccue has quit (lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:06:35 *** Zarggg_ has quit (lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:06:35 *** Guest80844 has quit (lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:06:35 *** StatBot has quit (lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:06:48 *** NiveusLuna has quit (lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:06:48 *** ZachThibeau has quit (lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:07:33 *** Bensawsome (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 03:07:35 ... 03:07:57 *** rmccue (n=rmccue@unaffiliated/rmccue) has joined #portableapps 03:07:57 *** StatBot (n=StatBot@unaffiliated/bensawsome/bots/bensbots) has joined #portableapps 03:07:57 *** Guest80844 (n=Bensawso@c-76-19-255-93.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 03:07:57 *** Zarggg_ (n=zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) has joined #portableapps 03:07:57 *** NiveusLuna (n=rurounib@unaffiliated/niveusluna) has joined #portableapps 03:07:57 *** ZachThibeau (i=zachthib@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 03:08:24 ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k 03:23:48 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 03:24:14 *** Jacobm001 (n=Jacob@75-95-186-183.mfd.clearwire-dns.net) has joined #portableapps 03:25:07 *** McNinja (n=WifiWomb@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 03:40:26 *** OliverK has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:41:59 *** Res2216firestar (i=Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 03:49:26 *** McNinja has quit ("so long and thanks for all the fish") 04:34:42 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("Leaving") 04:49:40 *** rmccue1 (n=rmccue@unaffiliated/rmccue) has joined #portableapps 04:53:30 *** ChrisMorgan (n=ChrisMor@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 04:53:31 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator 04:55:21 *** rmccue2 (n=rmccue@CPE-60-225-227-66.sicz1.cha.bigpond.net.au) has joined #portableapps 04:56:30 *** rmccue has quit (Nick collision from services.) 04:56:35 *** rmccue2 is now known as rmccue 05:11:29 *** rmccue1 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:33:18 *** Jacobm001 has parted #portableapps () 05:34:55 *** rmccue1 (n=rmccue@unaffiliated/rmccue) has joined #portableapps 05:35:27 *** rmccue has quit (Nick collision from services.) 05:35:29 *** rmccue1 is now known as rmccue 06:01:50 *** rmccue1 (n=rmccue@unaffiliated/rmccue) has joined #portableapps 06:04:48 *** rmccue has quit (Nick collision from services.) 06:04:49 *** rmccue1 is now known as rmccue 06:21:34 *** NiveusLuna has quit ("So long, and thanks for all the fish!") 07:24:47 *** Suiseiseki has quit ("Opera Web Browser 10.50 alpha preview! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://www.opera.com/") 08:24:31 *** rmccue1 (n=rmccue@unaffiliated/rmccue) has joined #portableapps 08:24:31 *** rmccue1 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:28:11 *** rmccue has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08:41:43 *** WillPittenger (n=chatzill@207-179-248-28.mtco.com) has joined #portableapps 08:42:43 Could someone explain how to install Firefox portable? Do I "install" it straight to the key? The default directory, on Windows, is an undefined location "\firefoxportable". 09:24:22 *** Chazz is now known as zz_Chazz 09:37:12 *** pa_0956 (i=3a06821d@gateway/web/freenode/x-iytkbbutzkpcjamm) has joined #portableapps 09:38:14 Hi can anyone tell me how I can autorun apps when I start and exit apps menu? 09:40:36 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:40:53 *** WillPittenger has parted #portableapps () 09:40:56 *** pa_0956 has quit (Client Quit) 09:41:11 *** pa_5917 (i=3a06821d@gateway/web/freenode/x-khhhsrosbzthrqcs) has joined #portableapps 09:42:30 hello can anyone tell me how I can autorun apps when I open or close portable apps menu? 09:49:08 GizmoBot 09:54:53 *** pa_5917 has quit ("Page closed") 09:56:05 *** Oni-Neoxes (n=Oni-Neox@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 10:00:47 *** ChrisMorgan (n=ChrisMor@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 10:00:47 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator 10:21:46 *** rmccue (n=rmccue@unaffiliated/rmccue) has joined #portableapps 10:46:08 *** RLH (i=98494920@gateway/web/freenode/x-odgucjxtvpjepcvc) has joined #portableapps 10:46:35 Hi, is it posible to pose a questions here_ 10:46:56 Sure RLH 10:48:36 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit ("Quit... D:") 10:48:55 We are using openoffice portable to convert word documents to .odt. 10:49:38 However, we have encountered a problem with importing large documents containing a lot of images, fx. 100 mb word file 10:50:21 a lot of the pictures disappears and when saving the .odt file the file only contains around half the pages of the original doucments 10:50:38 we only see this problem when using very large files. 10:51:35 RLH: I presume this is an issue with OpenOffice.org itself rather than OpenOffice.org Portable 10:52:08 Please click on this link (I think you should be able to): #openoffice.org 10:52:13 yes i guess. We use the soffice.exe from the commandline. Just went here first because this is the app package we use 10:52:37 Be aware that that won't be portable then... you must use the launcher for portable usage. 10:52:44 If you can't, type "/join #openoffice.org" 10:53:06 Good, I see you got there :-) 11:12:50 *** rmccue1 (n=rmccue@unaffiliated/rmccue) has joined #portableapps 11:19:29 *** rmccue has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:21:15 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:31:40 *** rmccue1 has quit ("The general rule on about people on IRC seems to be "Attractive, single, mentally stable: choose two"") 11:33:17 *** Oni-Neoxes (n=Oni-Neox@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 12:11:13 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit ("Quit... 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How do I determine what version of PA I have on my Jump Drive? 16:40:29 *** hsnopi has quit (Client Quit) 17:13:03 *** NiveusLuna (n=rurounib@c-174-51-255-130.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 17:17:44 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Remote closed the connection) 17:22:35 *** andreasma (n=andi@p4FE342CE.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 17:23:32 *** Twinkletoes|W (n=chatzill@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 17:27:45 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Remote closed the connection) 17:29:35 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 17:29:44 *** Twinkletoes|W (n=chatzill@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 17:40:48 *** Twinkletoes|W is now known as Guest5630 17:41:05 *** Twinkletoes|W_ (n=chatzill@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 17:43:59 *** Twinkletoes|W_ is now known as Twinkletoes|W 17:45:15 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Remote closed the connection) 17:47:33 *** Twinkletoes|W (n=chatzill@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 17:48:58 *** Darwin4Ever (n=Darwin4E@082-146-105-157.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) has joined #portableapps 17:54:01 *** Guest5630 has quit (Connection timed out) 18:07:04 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:08:55 *** Twinkletoes|W (n=chatzill@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 18:09:25 *** Bensawsome (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 18:09:28 Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . 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He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info 21:29:54 *** Bensawsome is now known as Guest19894 21:34:17 *** andreasma has quit ("Verlassend") 21:35:21 *** pa_3294 (i=5e9d84ee@gateway/web/freenode/x-sqeqxctzzjnsqfby) has joined #portableapps 21:36:19 *** pa_3294 has parted #portableapps () 21:38:59 *** NiveusLuna has quit ("So long, and thanks for all the fish!") 21:43:21 *** NiveusLuna (n=rurounib@c-174-51-255-130.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 21:46:44 *** Guest19894 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:47:02 *** Bensawsome (n=Bensawso@c-76-19-255-93.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 21:47:02 ... 21:47:23 *** Bensawsome is now known as Guest40328 21:48:50 *** ChrisMorgan (n=ChrisMor@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 21:48:50 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator 21:52:36 *** Res2216firestar (i=Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 21:57:37 *** NiveusLuna has quit ("So long, and thanks for all the fish!") 21:57:48 *** Bensawsome (n=Bensawso@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 21:57:51 Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info 22:14:15 *** NiveusLuna (n=rurounib@c-174-51-255-130.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 22:20:41 *** NiveusLuna has quit ("So long, and thanks for all the fish!") 22:20:47 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("Leaving") 22:22:53 *** NiveusLuna (n=rurounib@c-174-51-255-130.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 22:25:25 *** Res2216firestar (i=Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 22:27:55 *** dabossbv has quit ("Leaving.") 22:27:57 *** NiveusLuna has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:28:06 *** NiveusLuna (n=rurounib@c-174-51-255-130.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 22:29:30 *** ptmb (n=PTMblogg@a83-132-128-25.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 22:29:44 *** NiveusLuna has quit (Client Quit) 22:30:00 *** NiveusLuna (n=rurounib@c-174-51-255-130.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 22:36:24 *** SrgSiler|Sleep is now known as SergentSiler 22:38:47 *** Bensawsome has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep") 22:44:18 *** pa_0523 (i=42c0ba62@gateway/web/freenode/x-mkjdmvogguwslhae) has joined #portableapps 22:44:33 Hey did the feature about autostarting apps ever get put in? 22:44:43 pa_0523: I believe it's in 1.5 22:45:22 So if you download the latest version (1.5.2) it should have it in it. 22:45:31 hmm i can't find it. Is there something I might be missing? Or how its set up? I can't find the docs 22:45:34 I have 1.5.2 22:45:41 Right click on the application? 22:45:49 Or was it just in the 2.0 betas... 22:45:51 Might have been 22:46:05 RIght click just lets me rename stuff 22:46:06 OK, get the Platform 2.0 Beta 3 and it does have it 22:46:18 Yeah, I'd forgotten. I never use the Platform, you see 22:46:21 is that gonna be stable enough? 22:46:22 2.0 does have it though 22:46:24 Sure. 22:46:35 k thanks I'll try it out. 22:46:38 If anything it's more stable than 1.5.2 22:46:42 *** pa_0523 has quit (Client Quit) 22:47:18 To the best of my knowledge, we have never had a single crash of the PortableApps.com Platform other than where something else has run it into the ground and forced it to crash (where any application would) 22:47:31 And I reckon that's a pretty good track record. 22:47:32 *** Darwin4Ever2 (n=Darwin4E@082-146-105-157.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) has joined #portableapps 22:50:12 *** pa_9127 (i=42c0ba62@gateway/web/freenode/x-sxcxlwqupnurifcg) has joined #portableapps 22:50:29 sorry to bother again, beta3 is the latest? Just wanna make sure before I install. Saw that it was from July of 09 22:51:42 *** Darwin4Ever has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22:54:33 *** pa_9127 has quit (Client Quit) 22:59:02 *** Darwin4Ever (n=Darwin4E@082-146-105-157.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) has joined #portableapps 23:08:02 *** pa_3878 (i=408beed8@gateway/web/freenode/x-nmhaoewiulwwdspj) has joined #portableapps 23:10:55 *** pa_3878 has quit (Client Quit) 23:13:37 *** Res2216firestar has quit ("Leaving") 23:14:53 *** Darwin4Ever2 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:15:40 *** computerfreaker (n=chatzill@64-201-72-179.static.genevaonline.com) has joined #portableapps 23:15:40 computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback 23:15:45 Hi guys! 23:15:55 ChrisMorgan, could I talk to you for a moment? 23:15:59 Sure 23:16:12 great, thanks! 23:16:34 I'm not entirely happy about dropping the "old" version of KidSafe, and I'd like to split KidSafe into two branches: Toddler Edition and Preschooler Edition 23:16:48 I was wondering if that would be OK? 23:17:06 I still haven't tried it at all 23:17:23 I know, but IMHO that's not a problem 23:17:37 I'm just wondering if a branch-split would be OK 23:17:49 I'd say possibly the best way of doing it is just have two modes that the one program can work in if it's not too much trouble - in your configuration options page have two big radio buttons 23:18:00 that wouldn't be a problem 23:18:12 the potential for abuse would be a problem again, though 23:18:49 For the user, that would be simpler, though possibly for development branches would be simpler (in Mercurial or Bazaar anyway, not so much in SVN) 23:20:00 *** WLP|Away (n=chatzill@207-179-248-28.mtco.com) has joined #portableapps 23:20:08 Since John's main objection as the potential for abuse, I was thinking more along the lines of splitting KidSafe entirely; Toddler Edition would require a key combo to unlock and would be abuse-proof, while Preschooler Edition would require a password to unlock and would have a small potential for abuse 23:21:01 So Toddler Edition is just like with mobile phones you need to press this then that to unlock the keypad 23:21:11 yep 23:21:17 Whereas the Preschooler Edition is just doing the same as locking the computer 23:21:22 pretty much 23:21:29 Except an administrator won't be able to log back in. 23:21:54 Toddler Edition, for example, could use Ctrl + Alt + U to unlock (the user would set the combo, of course) 23:22:18 Theoretically you could make it so an administrative password would let you back in anyway, thus removing the potential for abuse beyond what Windows has itself. 23:22:42 Spawn a subprocess which requires elevation to admin and get it to report back saying "yep, I'm admin". 23:22:53 good idea 23:23:02 I'll set that up for Preschooler Edition 23:23:03 Shouldn't be very difficult if REALbasic is any good. 23:23:08 ChrisMorgan: I should note I found that portable apps have three quicks: First, the individual installers (I declined the suite) defaulted to folders that on Windows are invalid outside a command line. Second, I should have installed the menu first, and then the apps, but didn't. Third, please encourage users to keep ".paf.exe" as the extension and not just ".exe". 23:23:13 RB can handle it, no problem 23:23:19 It's simple to do in NSIS with the UAC plug-in in :-) 23:24:01 WLP|Away: it searches the drive letters available for a directory PortableApps; if it can't find it, what should it choose? 23:24:30 Like I said, install the menu first. 23:24:34 Having an invalid path is preferable, then the end user has to /choose/ where to install it; possibly it should be \PortableApps\AppNamePortable rather than \AppNamePortable, but that's minor 23:25:10 *** Darwin4Ever has quit (Connection timed out) 23:25:12 .paf.exe is a god thing. 23:25:21 It lets people know that it's in the PortableApps.com Format. 23:25:28 It's all part of branding and confidence 23:25:52 Well, without it, the installer won't be listed in the Menu's Install New App dialog. 23:27:00 The install new application dialogue is for applications in the PortableApps.com Format only. 23:27:09 *** j03lar50n has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:27:22 It then happens to make sure that the program installs in the correct location and automates a lot of the process. 23:27:32 There are special features of PortableApps.com Installers. 23:28:00 My point is that it assumes the ".exe" files are _NOT_ in paf format. 23:28:18 Things in the PortableApps.com Format *will* and *must* be published as .paf.exe 23:28:32 Quite simply, you should NEVER change the file name as generated. 23:28:38 If you, like me, save the .paf.exe as .exe, it breaks the concept. 23:28:59 You mean /you/ break the concept - don't you? Why would you remove the .paf bit? 23:29:09 Just be thankful it's not like .u3p 23:29:24 Because I didn't know that it was special. It was just an EXE at the time. 23:29:39 ChrisMorgan: I used to have that same viewpoint 23:29:47 I only recently started leaving the installer filenames intact 23:29:47 If we worked like U3... it'd be just plain .paf rather than .paf.exe. 23:30:48 In future, it's quite possible that the filename will not be allowed to be changed at all. Currently the only bit which is forced is for online installers, that they have _online.paf.exe on the end 23:31:37 I just looked at the source code for that bit... and it's got some dead code there which will never evaluate true... the last 15 characters of the executable filename will obviously never be _online.paf.exe.exe or _ONLINE.PAF.EXE.EXE... 23:32:47 I personally am in favour of forcing no changes to the file name at all. 23:34:45 And pop up a message box with an option Help, for "Why am I seeing this?" with a link to a page on the website with explanation about product integrity etc. 23:34:55 Unfortunately though the Help button is unsupported by NSIS installers. 23:37:19 Well, because of the directory structure I use, "portable" and the app name can be left out. I just use "Install" followed by the version. I prefer the names be consistent for all apps. 23:37:53 You're being consistent the wrong way then :P 23:38:26 Well, I think it is time to eat. See you. 23:40:09 ChrisMorgan: with regards to KidSafe, would branching be OK? Or do you think the password-protected version would be acceptable after the admin password is required to launch? 23:40:47 I think so long as it's not easily abused, it'd be better as one package. 23:40:54 ok, thanks 23:40:59 so... how's this sound? 23:41:10 one edition, with an option to use unlock text or an unlock shortcut 23:41:26 if the unlock text (default) is selected, an admin password is required on launch 23:41:37 if the unlock shortcut is selected, no admin password is required 23:41:41 sounds ok? 23:42:38 I was meaning rather the way it's done with standard locking - don't require admin password on startup, but have it instead so that two passwords can unlock it, the KidSafe one or log in as Administrator 23:42:48 oh, ok 23:42:59 Though the one you suggest would also do it well. 23:43:03 Maybe a third option! 23:43:05 :D 23:43:35 your way works too... but IMHO the standard Windows "Run as" dialog would probably be better, since then I don't have to worry about securely handling passwords, which admin the pwd is for, etc. 23:43:56 You can hand privilege escalation to the OS 23:44:13 yes, which is what I had intended to use the "Run as" dialog for... ;) 23:45:41 It'd be just the same either way; one requires escalation at the start, the other has an option once locked, as well as the KidSafe password, to unlock as the local administrator, and when that's done, try and escalate, and if successful, send word back to the original process that it worked and now you can unlock it even though they didn't put the password in. 23:46:32 interesting idea... 23:48:49 I think I like your idea better, provided I can figure out how to manage the escalation properly (read: "securely talking to the OS and securely doing inter-process communication") 23:49:06 The NSIS UAC plugin can do it fine 23:50:27 the primarily problem here would be inter-process communication, since I'd have to spawn a sub-process to get admin rights 23:53:02 Correct. 23:53:19 You may be able to get ideas from the UAC plug-in. I've never done any REALbasic work. 23:53:43 thanks, I'll look at the UAC plugin 23:53:54 I'm looking at the ShellExecuteEx() documentation right now, too 23:53:58 http://nsis.sf.net/UAC_plug-in 23:56:15 oh, here we go 23:56:51 ShellExecuteEx returns an error code on failure; I can use that success/failure code to see if authentication was successful 23:57:06 and using the "runas" parameter in the ShellExecuteEx call will make the OS handle authentication 23:59:15 *** pa_3731 (i=d8ef44e7@gateway/web/freenode/x-uowmrlcamjnjgplw) has joined #portableapps 23:59:22 hello