00:00:07 computerfreaker: why would there be pre-existing data files? 00:00:10 so either I need to backup the existing data files or just overwrite them 00:00:20 ChrisMorgan: there shouldn't be, but I like making launchers fail-safe 00:00:23 CopyFiles /s "$PROGRAMDIRECTORY\*.ini" "$PROGRAMDIRECTORY\PortableBackupFiles" 00:00:26 :) 00:00:37 gluxon: that works :) 00:00:48 :) 00:00:52 ChrisMorgan: do you still want me to grab the PA Launcher? 00:01:05 Better still be able to cope with restart. Overwriting would be bad, but moving would also be bad - they'd lose their settings (though they'd still be there) 00:01:24 Using PAL I /think/ it would work properly in case of failure 00:01:34 ok, PAL it is then 00:01:55 thanks for the help, ChrisMorgan & gluxon! 00:02:01 * gluxon hates PAL :P 00:02:12 If you're doing a new application, I would recommend using PAL as you'll need to switch over at some point anyway unless you have a very good reason. 00:02:13 tsk, tsk 00:02:19 ChrisMorgan: ok 00:02:38 I'm doing a bunch of new apps now, so I'll just start switching one at a time 00:02:56 btw, ftr, I was tsk'ing at gluxon ;) 00:03:08 lol :P 00:03:16 lol 00:04:39 ChrisMorgan: once PAL is finished, will we be able to do apps like VirtualBox? 00:04:58 computerfreaker: don't touch VirtualBox, I've got dibs on it already :-) 00:05:04 ok 00:05:06 (Read that as "yes") 00:05:10 that's a good sign :D 00:05:34 looking forward to reformatting my computer so I can make REALbasic portable 00:05:42 You can already do run as admin. And I've started putting services/drivers in. 00:05:53 (Drivers and services are handled the same way in code) 00:06:00 oh, /nice/ 00:06:27 I'm still a bit sad that making portable apps won't involve coding anymore, but PAL will let us do so much more 00:06:45 computerfreaker: We could do more with custom code >_< 00:07:00 Do you think I should have sections [Service1], [Service2], etc. with a type=service|service-interaction|driver (service-interaction is a service with desktop interaction), or [ServiceN] with interaction=true and [DriverN]? 00:07:01 *** Curulan (~zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) has joined #portableapps 00:07:27 gluxon: but would you put in the effort required to get services working, or optional but not required running as admin? 00:07:42 Having a central repository of code snippets, as it were, improves it all round. 00:07:43 ChrisMorgan: I'd go with sections [Service1], [Service2], etc. 00:07:57 gluxon: the problem with custom code is, there's so much that can go wrong 00:08:16 computerfreaker: That's what makes it fun for me :) 00:08:29 It makes it trivial to put in things like services - whereas before, someone had to take the plunge to make a services snippet and then it'd get forgotten about anyway... 00:08:32 i'd make [ServiceN], [DriverN 00:08:33 for example, I screwed up one of my launchers during a copy & paste; that launcher, with its error, ended up getting copied to 4 or 5 other apps, with the error onboard. Took a lot of damage control when I finally found out. 00:09:43 Whereas with the PortableApps.com Launcher, it's only one big thing to go wrong (which I admit is worse if it /does/ go wrong) and has history etc. so you can track things, work out what happened, when, where, why, how, who, which, anything else you want to work out -- and it's easier to fix. 00:09:51 *** Zarggg_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:10:39 I would also venture to say that my NSIS coding style is a lot nicer than John's original was (he's since been influenced by mine so that things like the installer and launchers are a lot nicer than they were) - but launchers have tended to be based on the original launchers 00:10:53 But if there was a bug in the PAL code, then the developer would be searching forever to see what's wrong :/ 00:11:44 gluxon: not so, actually. I'm working on separating each component out so that it'll be even easier to work out where a problem is. 00:12:18 But there's still a chance of bugs :D Even if it's 0.00000001% :P 00:12:47 Put each component (RegistryWriteValue, RegistryKey, FilesMove, SplashScreen, Drivers, etc.) in its own file, with the bits triggered from the main script. Things being closer together makes problems easier to spot. 00:16:09 there is always a chance of bugs gluxon 00:16:22 MaienM: That's what I'm saying :) 00:17:23 but the chance of one central heavily used system being bugges versus millions of separate systems being bugged is small, I'd say 00:17:31 yeo exactky 00:17:37 *yep exactly 00:17:49 Bugs should be easier to find, spot, fix and *especially* deploy the fixes to with the PortableApps.com Launcher. 00:18:05 and if a bug is found it can be easily fixed at all places whereas if everyone copypastes the bug it would take a lot of work to get it removed everywhere 00:19:33 BRB, I'm switching OS's. 00:19:36 *** gluxon has parted #portableapps (None) 00:20:57 ChrisMorgan: for options I don't want to set, should I delete the entire line or just the setting's value? 00:23:26 Remove it 00:23:32 ok 00:23:35 Almost all values are optional 00:23:59 Arg, my commit messages got broken when I had $ symbols in and passed them through the command line with -m... moral of the story: don't use hg ci -m "message" 00:24:15 and the big part of help.html that's struck through is stuff I should ignore? Some of that struck-through stuff is included in the default launcher INI file 00:25:03 *Whiz* Ha, you didn't see that, did you? John just pushed through seven new releases. Well done John :-) 00:25:27 *reloading RSS* 00:25:39 computerfreaker: so you're using the repo version rather than 1.0 Pre-Alpha 1? 00:25:50 ... whoops. 00:25:51 no, I got 1.0 Pre-Alpha 1 00:26:02 Oh, thought I did that after that. 00:26:20 Whoops. Moral of story: take a look at help.html before committing to make sure you closed that tag. 00:26:45 so where does the tag stop? 00:27:06 at the end of the CopyData explanation? 00:27:45 Just the word CopyData, really. 00:27:51 oh, ok 00:27:58 You'll like my latest commit message ;-) 00:28:53 shoot, I can't seem to find the repo now 00:31:13 see you later, guys! g2g now. 00:31:15 *** computerfreaker has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 00:39:54 WOW! 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Later all. 01:11:39 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 01:13:24 *** Zarggg (~zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) has joined #portableapps 01:15:10 *** Guest349 (~Guest349@64-18-122-30.adsl.catt.com) has joined #portableapps 01:15:33 anyone here? 01:15:53 hello Guest349 01:15:57 How can we help you today. 01:16:58 just trying out the new platform 2.0b4 01:17:06 noticing on windows 7 01:17:35 that the menu doesn't minimize to tray 01:18:01 Guest349: that's not a defect, it's a feature 01:18:01 hm 01:18:37 oh 01:19:07 Guest349: due to the way it's hidden by default, JohnTHaller and sar3th worked to make it just work in the main part of the superbar 01:19:28 oh 01:19:31 ok 01:19:48 actually ChrisMorgan no. 01:19:53 ? 01:20:35 and i like the speed improvements 01:21:09 Guest349: the icon will also be in the systray on Win7, but as it hides icons by default, you have to click the arrow on the right to see it. 01:21:11 but it'll be there 01:21:36 ok 01:21:57 *** Guest349 has quit (Quit: Guest349) 01:33:07 *** Zach_Thibeau is now known as ZachThibeau 01:33:17 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Changing host) 01:33:17 *** ZachThibeau (zachthibea@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 01:33:22 ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k 01:50:30 *** palogbot (~palogbot@delawarepark.safesecureweb.com) has joined #portableapps 01:50:30 Topic for #portableapps is: Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. 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If he dies: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/restart 01:52:26 *** computerfreaker (~computerf@64-201-72-179.static.genevaonline.com) has joined #portableapps 01:52:27 computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback 01:52:43 ChrisMorgan: do you have a moment? I keep hitting an error with the PAL 01:52:54 Sure 01:52:57 great, thanks 01:53:09 We tell other people to just ask rather than asking to ask, ditto for you 01:53:20 ok, will do 01:53:22 computerfreaker: don't ask to ask ;0 01:53:26 *;) 01:53:51 I'm still working on ThunderUSB; every time I try starting it, PAL gives me a message, saying: "Another instance of is already running. Please close other instances of before starting ThunderUSB." 01:53:54 then it aborts. 01:54:23 My launcher.ini is here, if you want to look at it: http://pastebin.com/m1f860ed9 01:54:31 CloseEXE 01:54:40 CloseExe isn't set though; it's not even there 01:55:10 adding a blank CloseEXE doesn't change the results, either 01:55:18 Hmm... that's now making me think. I may need an extra ${GetFileName} with ProgramExecutable 01:55:52 Gizmokid2005: lol, I've seen that in several channels now 01:56:13 computerfreaker: it's the truth. pointless noise to ask if you can ask a question 01:56:47 computerfreaker: in appinfo.ini, [Details]:Name should be "ThunderUSB Portable" 01:57:13 ChrisMorgan: ok, I'll try that 01:57:19 That shouldn't fix it though 01:57:24 If it does I'm worried. 01:57:31 Do try it though, it should fix the message box up 01:58:14 no luck, and the messagebox is still giving me blanks 01:58:30 AppLongName=ThunderUSB Portable 01:58:33 is that what you meant? 01:59:08 Whoops, that's a typo, better fix that. Should be AppName 01:59:16 And leave AppName blank 02:00:10 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit... D:) 02:00:40 a bit confused now. Is this what you want? http://pastebin.com/m5ff3cf03 02:00:57 I'm looking at it 02:01:13 ok 02:01:16 Remove the AppName= line altogether 02:01:29 ok 02:01:43 Your appinfo.ini [Details]:Name is "ThunderUSB Portable" isn't it? 02:01:44 done, no change 02:01:53 yes 02:02:22 want me to post appinfo.ini on Pastebin too? 02:02:36 Don't bother 02:02:39 ok 02:03:13 So now your message box should be saying ... "before starting ThunderUSB Portable"? 02:03:53 nope, still "Another instance of is already running. Please close other instances of before launching ThunderUSB Portable." 02:04:37 That's what I said - it's the "Portable" bit which I cared about that time 02:04:44 oh, ok 02:04:51 yes, it's got "portable" in there 02:06:11 Hmm... I can't account for it... 02:06:16 Wait, yes I can :-/ 02:06:42 Remind me next time to put the MessageBox and Abort /inside/ the If from the result of FindProcDLL :-/ 02:06:54 Very obviously you're the first person to use it! 02:07:01 No-one could ever start anything with it :D 02:07:14 I do like testing things like this 02:07:59 Now I've got to take my services code out to commit just this fix first. 02:13:43 Your [Activate] section can go completely 02:14:03 Generally speaking, it's best to start from a fresh file and just put in the things you want which are not the defaults. 02:14:31 ok, thanks for the tip 02:14:31 I don't think you want that DirectoriesMove directive. 02:14:48 I actually screwed that up, it should have been %APPDIR%\Settings 02:15:05 *** Res2216firestar (Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 02:15:17 and I did intend to have that; there's an App\Settings folder that should get moved to Data and back again 02:15:34 App\Settings or I presume you mean App\ThunderUSB\Settings 02:16:10 sorry, I did mean App\ThunderUSB\Settings 02:16:46 So ThunderUSB looks for ./Settings/whatever.ini? 02:17:20 (Where . is its directory) 02:17:30 no; the ThunderUSB settings thing is *really* weird. It has a folder in App\ThunderUSB\Settings, then 65 different INI or XML data files in App\ThunderUSB 02:18:58 OK... crazy. 02:19:04 yes, *really* crazy 02:19:12 never seen an app quite like this, except maybe from MS 02:19:26 Nah, theirs are worse 02:20:05 And it's /all/ ini and xml files you want to move? 02:20:10 yes 02:20:28 I've already looked through; all the INI and XML files in App\ThunderUSB are settings files 02:20:49 the INI's are for data and the XML's are for languages 02:21:12 Do you need DefaultData? 02:21:24 The hg repo should fix it. 02:21:43 http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher 02:22:01 Where "it" is the FindProcDLL issue 02:22:32 Compile Other\Source\PortableApps.comLauncher.nsi with NSIS Portable and copy PortableApps.comLauncher.exe 02:22:41 You'll need Mercurial to get it 02:24:06 woo PChat is coming along nicely :) 02:24:28 and I think it's ready to be tested as a portable app :) 02:26:02 ZachThibeau: good, well done 02:27:53 I must say this is really the first real project on my own that I actually stuck at it and kept working on 02:28:20 computerfreaker: seeing as you're copying to the App directory, you'll need CopyApp=true so it can write to the App directory in Live mode. 02:29:11 btw the guy that started Resource Hacker just released a new version after some odd years later :) 02:29:39 And I think you'd better have either SinglePortableAppInstance=true or get rid of WaitForOtherInstances=false. Otherwise a second portable instance of ThunderUSB Portable will go bad 02:30:05 And ThunderUSB doesn't leave anything in %TEMP%? 02:30:09 sorry about that, I had to take care of something 02:30:16 ZachThibeau: link? 02:30:29 No, I don't think it writes to %TEMP% - I watched it with Process Monitor, and it didn't seem to do any writing there 02:30:33 sar3th: angusj.com/resourcehacker/ 02:30:47 Last Updated:24 March 2002 02:31:01 oic 02:31:05 beta 64 bits 02:31:09 yup 02:31:17 19 of december 2009 02:31:49 ChrisMorgan: I'll get rid of WaitForOtherInstances 02:32:13 and I just got rid of CopyApp, since the default is true 02:32:15 computerfreaker: a better bet is running it from the command line having "set TEMP=%TEMP%\ThunderUSB" (and create the directory) and actually see if it leaves anything. 02:32:17 *** NiveusLuna has parted #portableapps (None) 02:32:27 computerfreaker: http://pastebin.com/d222a69fe 02:33:18 thank you! 02:33:36 I'll go try running ThunderUSB from the commandline and see what happens 02:33:55 ChrisMorgan: some questions about your launcher, how well does it work with gtk based apps? 02:33:57 Having set TEMP to somewhere else of course 02:34:12 ChrisMorgan: yep, I'll redirect %TEMP% 02:34:18 ZachThibeau: what extra configuration do you need for a GTK appliaction? 02:35:15 just wondering like would you have the gtk installation in a seperate folder for your launcher or just include it and let the launcher handle the rest 02:35:35 Nothing ever has a separate folder for the GTK any more. 02:35:55 ChrisMorgan: just tested it and the temp folder stayed empty 02:36:10 besides pidgin and xchat portable being the odd bunch out 02:36:24 If it did have App\GTK and App\Name though, you'd just have a line in [Environment] PATH={&};%APPDIR%\GTK to add it to the path 02:36:28 Or whatever you need for it 02:36:44 ahh ok 02:37:23 ChrisMorgan: should I go collect the latest version from the repo? 02:37:28 I'm thinking of having some extra sections for specific frameworks etc., so have a [GTK] section with things like ".recently-used.xbel=true" to automatically handle ~/.recently-used.xbel, for example. 02:37:31 computerfreaker: yes 02:37:35 It will actually /work/ 02:37:45 Wait. I spoke too soon. 02:37:50 "Should" 02:37:55 I'm actually going to be brave and test it out with PChat see what the fuss this universal launcher will do :P 02:38:04 going to check it out right now 02:38:06 ZachThibeau: yay! 02:38:38 wait - do I need a SVN client? 02:39:06 *** solanus (~cfacefcf@gateway/web/freenode/x-guhrpbzrznolllbu) has joined #portableapps 02:39:13 mercurial I think is what you need 02:40:14 howdy solanus 02:40:53 Hey ZachThibeau. Just seeing what's shakin' 02:41:15 computerfreaker: hg 02:41:17 PChat 1.0.1.3b is shaking thats what 02:41:34 computerfreaker: get Mercurial 02:41:43 Or if you want to, just apply the patch at http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/rev/c91fc618f9ff. 02:43:02 winmerge? 02:44:42 *** solanus has quit (Quit: Page closed) 02:46:23 It might do it. It's fairly simple though if you need to do it manually. 02:47:07 Hmm... should I do another release of PAL because it's broken or should I finish services first? 02:47:20 ChrisMorgan: with the configured launcher ini file where do I place it, the documentation doesn't say where you should put it :P 02:47:22 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 02:47:24 *** excid3 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 02:48:13 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 02:48:48 I'd do another release, given that the bug totally breaks PAL 02:49:09 argh I'm blind the documentation does say xD 02:50:49 *** Guest97912 (~excid3@student213-175.cv.siue.edu) has joined #portableapps 02:53:27 ChrisMorgan: do you mind if I replace the generic PA icons in AppInfo with the ThunderUSB icons before I recompile? 03:06:39 *** WastePotato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 03:06:55 *** palogbot (~palogbot@delawarepark.safesecureweb.com) has joined #portableapps 03:06:55 Topic for #portableapps is: Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. 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If he dies: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/restart 03:09:40 computerfreaker: you shouldn't really. That's what App\AppInfo\appicon(_(16|32).png|.ico) are for 03:13:23 *** Guest97912 has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 03:14:19 *** excid3_ (~excid3@student213-175.cv.siue.edu) has joined #portableapps 03:19:16 ChrisMorgan: that's actually what I meant. Can I replace those generic PA icons with the ThunderUSB icons? 03:19:46 computerfreaker: at the moment at least, don't; the Platform uses appicon_16.png 03:21:14 ok, I'll leave them alone then 03:33:13 hmm 03:33:35 for some reason, the ThunderUSB files are being copied from DefaultData to Data but not from Data to App\ThunderUSB 03:37:40 The settings\*.ini doesn't work? 03:37:58 Try replacing the * with one of the filenames just to check it. 03:37:58 settings\*.ini=%APPDIR% is what I have right now; it doesn't seem to be working 03:38:01 ok 03:38:53 nope, it's not copying to App\ThunderUSB 03:39:31 Ahhhh....... how about to App? 03:39:38 settings\*.ini=%APPDIR% should have been settings\*.ini=%APPDIR%\ThunderUSB 03:39:49 I'll change that and try it again 03:40:34 no go 03:40:47 do I need to specify the location of the Data folder? 03:42:22 No 03:42:42 something's weird here, then 03:43:01 How about when you just have one file specified? 03:43:12 tried settings\AccessiblePDF.ini=%APPDIR%\ThunderUSB and no go; tried AccessiblePDF.ini=%APPDIR%\ThunderUSB and still nothing 03:43:31 btw, AccessiblePDF.ini isn't in Data\settings - it's in Data 03:43:39 It should be in Data\settings 03:43:53 OK. 03:43:56 *Sob*. 03:44:08 stranger and stranger - I didn't put it in Data. The launcher must have, because I left it in DefaultData. 03:44:30 Did you have it in DefaultData or DefaultData\settings? 03:44:39 DefaultData 03:44:50 DefaultData --> Data, so if you want it in settings, create such a directory 03:44:57 ok 03:45:23 Seeing as you've got the PortableApps.com Launcher source code there, uncomment the line "!define DEBUG" and recompile it and run it. 03:45:29 That may help you a lot. 03:45:34 ok, I'll do that right away 03:45:36 (And/or me) 03:45:38 still no go, btw 03:46:05 compilation finished - going to try right now 03:47:24 and for some reason, it's working now 03:47:41 let me comment !define DEBUG again and see what happens 03:47:49 Had you had data there before at any time you ran it? 03:47:57 Or did you delete Data each time? 03:48:17 no, I left Data pretty much intact. I did move the INI's and XML's from Data to Data\settings, though 03:48:28 but even after the move, it still wasn't working 03:49:13 OH!!!! 03:49:27 The launcher both is, and is not, working. 03:49:31 probably my fault. 03:49:37 is and is not? 03:49:45 * ChrisMorgan hides 03:49:46 it's moving the files correctly, so it's working 03:49:56 but the real problem here is the chain of command 03:50:15 the launcher waits for ThunderStarter.exe, but ThunderStarter.exe executes Thunder.exe and exits. 03:50:33 The launcher thinks Thunder's finished running, so it cleans up - removing the data files along the way 03:50:47 my fault, I think 03:50:55 Ahhhhh. 03:51:07 although I don't know how to tell it to wait for ThunderStart.exe /and/ Thunder.exe to finish before cleaning up 03:51:28 just wait for thunder.exe 03:51:33 You can't just now. Wait a while and you will be able to. 03:51:41 sar3th: you can only wait for $PROGRAMEXECUTABLE at the moment 03:51:45 :( 03:51:51 There's CloseEXE but not WaitEXE. 03:51:55 so, how should I handle this one? 03:52:06 See if you can get rid of ThunderStart.exe 03:52:11 * computerfreaker thinks ThunderUSB is being extremely difficult, considering it's already portable 03:52:22 I'll see if I can dump TS, but I don't know about that at all 03:52:59 What does it do? 03:53:18 I'm not sure, but I'm speculating it sets up environment variables, paths, etc. 03:53:48 there's two versions of Thunder, a portable one and a non-portable one; it's possible TS is setting up the portable one to use non-default data storage locations 03:54:03 well, here goes with Thunder.exe as PROGRAMEXECUTABLE 03:55:12 * ChrisMorgan can't even find a URL for ThunderUSB 03:55:32 http://www.screenreader.net/index.php?pageid=2 03:56:19 it's a screenreader, kinda 03:56:43 I see they don't give you the source code. 03:57:01 Well, Process Monitor may be your friend then. 03:57:02 no, but it's under the GPL3, so it has to be around someplace 03:57:08 I'm actually firing up PM right now 03:57:09 You sure? 03:57:19 license.txt is the GPL3 03:57:31 "NB Please be aware that it is not permitted for anyone to modify, distribute or host the Thunder software without the express permission of Sensory Software Ltd." 03:57:47 from licence.txt: " GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE 03:57:47 Version 3, 29 June 2007" 03:57:57 the whole GPL is there 03:58:22 Humph. 03:58:33 lmao 03:58:34 I don't believe it 03:58:37 this is one curious program. Starter executables that may or may not do anything, a /very/ weird settings structure, and conflicting licenses 03:58:40 i.e. that it is gpl3 03:58:52 ChrisMorgan: you can download the portable package for yourself if you want; look at licence.txt 03:58:57 s/Monitor/Explorer/ 03:59:18 computerfreaker: so far I'd attribute that to a mistake on their part 03:59:26 probably 03:59:39 although I do wonder about ThunderStarter.exe 03:59:41 computerfreaker: use Process Explorer, take a look at the environment variables active in thunder.exe, and the command line. 03:59:45 ok 04:00:10 *** Res2216firestar has quit (Quit: Leaving) 04:00:47 Compare the environment variables with those in PortableApps.comLauncher.exe 04:01:20 Also call your package Thunder Portable rather than ThunderUSB Portable... I think they're just calling it "Thunder USB" for the USB version. 04:02:31 yes 04:02:32 ok 04:02:36 i think so too 04:05:29 oh ho! I found one interesting thing 04:05:34 Thunder.exe writes to %TEMP% 04:06:41 well, that's about all I'm getting from Process Monitor; time to try Process Explorer 04:08:45 *** Res2216firestar (Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 04:10:20 ok, I got two interesting things out of that 04:11:21 #1: Regardless of whether ThunderStart is run or not, Thunder still has the same %TEMP% location - the system %TEMP% dir. However, it only seems to write to %TEMP% if Thunder is invoked by itself. 04:12:00 #2: The command-line is vastly different depending on whether ThunderStart is run or not. When ThunderStart is run, the command-line for Thunder is "Thunder Watcher.exe" (no quotes); when Thunder is run, the command-line is the current path 04:12:16 so I'm going to try a bit of process impersonation here, and see what happens 04:13:10 Good. That's what you need to try to do. 04:14:29 well, I made some progress 04:14:43 And what is that? 04:14:55 btw, Is there any Watcher.exe there? 04:15:07 the full path is still being added to the commandline, probably because we're calling Thunder from outside its directory; however, the commandline does contain "Thunder Watcher.exe" now 04:15:36 huh 04:15:42 no, but there is a ThunderWatcher.exe there 04:15:59 When you run through ThunderStart, what's the working directory of Thunder.exe? 04:16:07 let me check quick 04:16:14 If you run ThunderStart from a different directory that is 04:16:35 Try running from your ThunderPortable directory for example: App\Thunder\ThunderStart.exe 04:16:44 And also App\Thunder\Thunder.exe 04:17:00 But first the first and see the cwd of thunder.exe 04:19:06 oh, this is unusual 04:19:23 regardless of where I run ThunderStart.exe from, Thunder.exe always gets the commandline "Thunder Watcher.exe" 04:19:47 however, if I run Thunder.exe, even from its own folder, it still gets the path on the commandline 04:20:48 That's exactly what I'd expect 04:21:15 ThunderStarter.exe is pretty small - only about 80 kb. I'm going to look it over in OllyDbg and see if I can figure out what it's doing. 04:21:35 Try from the command line typing in "Thunder Watcher.exe" 04:21:41 ok 04:22:19 But what's the current working directory of your Thunder.exe instance through ThunderStarter? I imagine it's its own directory. 04:22:34 And have you looked through the environment variables to see if something's happening there? 04:22:47 yes, I looked through the environment vars - nothing looks different 04:23:12 and the working dir of Thunder, via ThunderStarter, seems to be the Thunder folder 04:23:19 btw, that command-line call worked perfectly 04:23:37 Did it work with data in Settings? 04:24:11 Don't think so; I haven't been able to get the launcher to emulate that command-line call 04:24:44 But running Thunder Watcher.exe from the command line? 04:25:32 If that works, I suggest you try scrapping ThunderStarter and have "ProgramExecutable=%APPDIR%\Thunder\Thunder.exe" and "DefaultCommandLineArguments=Watcher.exe" and see if that works 04:26:01 running Thunder Watcher.exe from the command-line, it didn't appear to interact with Settings at all 04:26:30 this app seems very strange :| 04:26:40 There must be /something/ 04:26:55 sar3th: I couldn't agree with you more 04:27:03 ChrisMorgan: I'm not completely sure of that myself 04:27:17 You could ask them. 04:27:21 computerfreaker: why not? 04:27:25 fortunately, ThunderStarter.exe seems to be a VB5 or VB6 app, so I'm going through it in OllyDbg pretty easily 04:27:40 just because I'm not seeing much of a difference in how Thunder behaves 04:27:47 especially since there *is* no Watcher.exe 04:28:10 ThunderStarter is a VB6 app 04:28:17 ugh 04:28:37 sar3th: it's best this way, I've got 3-4 years of VB6 so I'm pretty much at home in here :) 04:28:54 yeah, but decompilina a vb6 app? 04:28:59 *decompiling 04:29:13 not that bad so far, actually 04:29:25 the method names are pretty easy to understand, thanks to Olly 04:30:12 well, i didn't know olly back when i vb6'd 04:43:51 *** Res2216firestar has quit (Quit: Leaving) 04:48:14 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 05:25:46 It's sorta fun learning more about the Windows API 05:26:30 depends on whether you're learning from MSDN or stepping through a zillion calls that zigzag back and forth, with no apparent rhyme or reason ;) 05:26:48 I haven't finished yet, but this looks almost like a glorified batch file 05:28:13 MSDN. 05:28:17 For services. 05:28:19 I' 05:28:35 ve got to be able to backup and restore services. 05:28:45 sounds like fun 05:29:15 incidentally, there's nothing in the PAL that might bring up the Task Manager, right? 05:29:40 No 05:29:44 Why? 05:29:56 because every time I run ThunderUSB, the Task Manager pops up 05:30:03 :-/ 05:30:14 probably ThunderUSB itself; I'm seeing some SendMessage calls in here 05:30:23 Open procexp and look at its parent process 05:30:45 ok, will do in a few moments 05:31:31 oh, this is /really/ weird. ThunderStarter doesn't show a GUI, but there's all the code in here for creating and showing one 05:32:14 it's getting more and more confusing :( 05:32:35 Possibly... you should choose a different but similar program 05:32:38 I agree, sar3th, and my mental malware alert is starting to get active 05:33:02 ChrisMorgan: this program was specifically requested, so that's why I'm trying to do it 05:33:17 *sigh* 05:33:28 *agreed* 05:34:18 if you once used cmake and then you have to use solution files which are provided with a project, you start to love cmake 05:34:45 want to use msvc? np, which version? want solutions or nmakefiles? or rather mingw32-make? 05:35:28 what the heck?? No GUI in ThunderStarter, but calls to OffsetRect, InvalidateRect, and now SelectPalette, RealizePalette, and GetTextMetrics?? AND SetBkColor and SetTextColor???? 05:35:30 unless... 05:36:02 it's possible this is just stock code that's never called; I'm stepping through one of the VB6 libraries right now, MSVBVM60 05:36:38 vb's virtual machine 05:36:46 looks like it 05:36:48 * sar3th respectfully lifts his hat 05:36:57 more API calls that should never be used by TS 05:37:15 yep, here's the final proof: reference to "VB98.chm" 05:37:46 * computerfreaker blasts through MSVBVM60 and back to the executable 05:39:35 BLEEP 05:39:39 Have fun. 05:39:41 Uh oh, what now? 05:40:12 OllyDbg has this nice feature called "Run until return"; as the name implies, it runs the program until the next return call 05:40:15 (I would have thought it might be more productive to look at thunder.exe to find its settings storage bit) 05:40:48 I invoked that feature in MSVBVM60 one too many times and, without leaving MSVBVM, the stupid thing ran 05:41:07 when it finally left the VBVM, it was to terminate TS 05:41:15 so... back to square 1 or so 05:41:16 Hah. Well done. 05:41:28 Bye for the next half hour or a bit more 05:41:35 bye ChrisMorgan! 05:41:43 I'll probably be leaving shortly too 06:01:12 I think I found it! 06:01:24 CALL EbLoadRunTime 06:22:03 EbLoadRunTime? 06:22:23 VB6's VM again, apparently loading the runtime resources 06:22:33 I stepped through, and out of, it and I'm still going 06:24:37 o_O 06:25:19 yeah. I've been debugging this "little" 80 kb file for probably two hours now, and I'm probably somewhere in the middle 06:26:11 :( 06:26:28 i'm still trying to compile a game from a friend 06:26:47 i've gotten pretty far now, but i still need a few libs 06:27:22 i should probably be going soon, lecture starts in 1/2 h 06:27:44 oh man, I just got something 06:28:19 the window's been created 06:30:32 Ooooooh! 06:32:58 I don't believe this - it's fascinating 06:33:12 I'm now in WndProc 06:34:57 this is /so/ cool - I'm watching it handle a WM_SETTEXT message 06:36:38 :-/ 06:36:44 I'm glad you like it. 06:36:57 lmao 06:37:02 I don't like it that much, actually - I'm just happy to be at a place I recognize 06:39:39 :-/ 06:40:38 Just hit the jackpot!!! 06:40:57 UNICODE "Thunder Watcher.exe" 06:41:42 ...time to go, lecture at 08:00 06:41:51 bye sar3th! 06:42:55 bye computerfreaker and ChrisMorgan 06:43:01 bye sar3th 06:43:14 I'm in the VB6 shell function now 06:43:28 computerfreaker: how does that help you though? It's where it's storing its settings that you care about 06:43:38 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 06:44:15 actually, I'm more interested in what TS is doing so I can get the same effect without needing to call it 06:44:29 because, when TS is doing the work, everything goes well 06:44:36 so emulating TS = success on all counts 06:45:15 and here we go: CreateProcessW 06:56:23 You can't do that in NSIS. 06:56:31 Not without using NSISu. 06:56:54 I know, but I want to see what parameters are being passed 06:57:33 Probably don't need to call CreateProcess(A|W), NSIS will handle that. I just need to see the parameters so I can duplicate them (if possible) in the INI 07:05:26 Sure. But wasn't that what you had from Process Explorer? 07:05:42 not the whole thing, I don't think 07:06:09 Going to be mad at myself if I just wasted 3 hours though 07:06:13 You can't run Thunder Watcher.exe, but you can run X:\PortableApps\ThunderPortable\App\Thunder\Thunder.exe Watcher.exe which is the same thing (without black magic in Thunder.exe) 07:06:26 Process Explorer will report the whole command line as it was passed to it. 07:07:26 I was looking for something else, within TS; perhaps some sort of directory setup, perhaps some sort of file creation, but all I've seen so far is a glorified batch file 07:08:14 And what does it do? 07:09:00 so far, all it's done is create an (invisible) ThunderStarter window, then call Thunder.exe (that's what I'm tracing through right now) 07:23:36 *** pa_8878 (~45a8749c@gateway/web/freenode/x-cavhgjcpvaxcfksp) has joined #portableapps 07:24:58 I've got the portable suite installed on my thumdrive and would like to upgrade to 1.6 but keep all my favorites, email settings etc. How can I do that? 07:25:26 pa_8878: you should be able to just install the 1.6 suite right over the old one 07:25:39 you should make backups first, though, just in case something goes wrong 07:26:00 Overwriting won't clear the settings? 07:26:10 no, it shouldn't 07:26:38 I've already backed up the settings. I'll give the install a shot. Thanks. 07:26:46 you're welcome! 07:27:02 *** pa_8878 has quit (Client Quit) 07:32:45 *** WastePotato (~WastePota@unaffiliated/wastepotato) has joined #portableapps 07:44:10 the code at this point is really messy, so I'm going to call it quits 08:02:51 ChrisMorgan: not sure if you're still there, but I finally got to the end of that circus. It's pretty much a glorified batch file; it just launches Thunder. 08:03:02 I'm back now 08:03:11 ok 08:03:13 Just had tea 08:03:52 I'm guessing that EXE was created because BAT files don't look very professional 08:03:53 computerfreaker: so, have you been able to get Thunder to work "properly" without TS? 08:04:04 No. The question is why it needs it. 08:04:09 haven't tried the command-line yet; I just got out of the debugger. 08:04:27 It needs TS for the command-line, apparently 08:04:51 I'm not sure what Watcher does, and don't want to run the debugger on *that*, but it's apparently important 08:06:07 I don't know. But `Thunder Watcher.exe` should make it work portably; if not, there's something you've missed. 08:06:21 Away again now 08:06:28 ok 08:06:46 Incidentally Thunder rather than a full path is bad - try sticking another thunder.exe higher in the path... 08:07:06 I'll see what I can do 08:14:41 g2g, bye! 08:14:49 *** computerfreaker has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 08:52:05 back 08:52:09 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 08:58:21 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 09:02:13 *** WastePotato has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 09:55:13 *** pa_0258 (~9902f721@gateway/web/freenode/x-fqeleapozaxbzydr) has joined #portableapps 09:56:00 *** pa_0258 has quit (Client Quit) 10:55:28 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 11:57:19 *** dbdii407 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 12:08:48 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit... D:) 12:36:50 *** markomlm (~chatzilla@p54B8ECC3.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 13:00:29 does anyone know a command which dumps the clipboard's contents into a file using windows cmd? 13:12:20 *** WastePotato (~WastePota@unaffiliated/wastepotato) has joined #portableapps 13:41:17 *** WastePotato has quit () 13:41:40 *** WastePotato (~WastePota@unaffiliated/wastepotato) has joined #portableapps 14:14:34 *** MaienM|Sleep is now known as MaienM 14:22:41 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|zZz 14:57:26 *** markomlm has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]) 15:01:40 *** spectrum1 (~martin@2001:0:53aa:64c:103d:4c45:b213:3fb5) has joined #portableapps 15:14:57 *** computerfreaker (~computerf@64-201-72-179.static.genevaonline.com) has joined #portableapps 15:14:57 computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback 15:16:02 lolwut 15:16:23 .tell ChrisMorgan Thanks for all the help earlier! I got ThunderUSB working, and everything looks good. 15:16:23 computerfreaker: I'll pass that on when ChrisMorgan is around. 15:17:38 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 15:21:48 *** SteveLamerton (~kvirc@host-137-205-68-076.res.warwick.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 15:22:27 Hi SteveLamerton! 15:29:24 *** SteveLamerton has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:30:24 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a83-132-128-25.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 15:32:53 *** SteveLamerton (~kvirc@host-137-205-68-076.res.warwick.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 15:33:12 Hi computerfreaker, sorry about that 15:33:18 np 16:31:23 *** pa_1463 (~bd4a7c4f@gateway/web/freenode/x-rjxdzkiuevjpzuyu) has joined #portableapps 16:32:05 Hello, somebody knows as putting password in the bills of GnuCashPortable ?! 16:35:43 Nobody?! I am using the version for windows... 16:44:22 *** ptmb is now known as ptmb|away 16:47:29 pa_1463: check with GnuCash's site/support 16:47:44 they'll be able to give you more info than we can. afaik there's no user of GnuCash in here right now 16:48:36 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 16:50:17 *** SteveLamerton has quit () 17:02:36 *** pa_1463 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 17:20:32 *** Bensawsome has quit (*.net *.split) 17:22:12 *** Bensawsome (~Bensawsom@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 17:22:17 Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info 17:36:25 *** kaeos (~Miranda@84.76.55.235) has joined #portableapps 17:42:18 o_o 17:48:59 *** Darwin4Ever (~Darwin4Ev@082-146-105-035.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) has joined #portableapps 17:50:33 Hi, I would like to add Czech and Slovak localization into OpenOffice.org Portable, can anybody help me, please? ;-) 17:51:27 if you put a post in the forums, MarkoMLM will see it; IIRC, he's in charge of OOo localizations 17:52:54 computerfreaker, thanks, I will try it 17:53:09 thanks for volunteering the translations! 17:54:52 ;-) 18:01:30 *** SteveLamerton (~kvirc@host-137-205-68-076.res.warwick.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 18:13:34 *** pa_4315 (~549d4e57@gateway/web/freenode/x-podcsujrqquuvlyp) has joined #portableapps 18:14:11 a 18:14:32 *** pa_4315 has quit (Client Quit) 18:18:18 *** SteveLamerton has quit () 18:32:52 hola guys 18:33:34 Hi ZachThibeau! 18:35:03 even though I got spell check on PChat I'm still having difficulties adding libraries to it >_< 18:39:15 *** kai_62656 (~kvirc@66-189-153-43.dhcp.crsn.ca.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 18:39:40 *** kai_62656 has quit (Changing host) 18:39:40 *** kai_62656 (~kvirc@unaffiliated/kai-62656/x-7765177) has joined #portableapps 18:46:48 *** sar3th|zZz is now known as sar3th 18:47:39 *** xangua (~xangua@unaffiliated/xangua) has joined #portableapps 19:13:25 *** ptmb|away is now known as ptmb 19:29:32 later guys 19:29:34 *** computerfreaker has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 19:30:22 *** xangua has parted #portableapps ("Hasta la vista!") 19:31:11 *** markomlm (~chatzilla@pD9557E9D.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 19:31:46 *** markomlm has quit (Client Quit) 19:35:23 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 19:44:27 *** pa_9100 (~562e1638@gateway/web/freenode/x-iapdsngluffeijsq) has joined #portableapps 19:44:35 Hey. 19:44:55 *** pa_9100 has quit (Client Quit) 20:13:13 *** pa_5860 (~5844196d@gateway/web/freenode/x-klmwuuqmzsckbjve) has joined #portableapps 20:14:50 http://portableapps.com/de newest portable app in dec 09? 20:16:16 pa_5860: that site is outdated :( use the english one instead please 20:20:28 oh, I see. my english is very bad. but translating in german is relative easy 20:30:07 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 20:30:21 *** pa_5860 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 20:33:21 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 20:54:48 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 20:54:52 hola 20:54:59 hello JohnTHaller 20:55:22 how goes it 20:55:47 it goes. Fiancee had a scare yesterday. Went in the ditch the first time, so it's been an eventful 18 hours... 20:55:57 Oh. She ok? 20:57:30 Yeah. My mom got in on it and made her take the ambulance to the ER, she just tensed her muscles when she went in so she's a bit sore, but she's got today off to relax. Just a bit sore that's all 21:00:35 Yeah. Been there. She just needs some downtime and people around. 21:00:52 Yep. She's fine, some motrin and a heating pad :) 21:01:40 *** MaienM is now known as MaienM|AFK 21:07:21 Think I'll post the multi-Firefox version HowTo today. I was thinking of having it live off the FFP support page. THoughts? 21:07:50 I would say that's where it belongs 21:08:26 btw, we had complaints about the outdated german version of the page earlier, who's responsible for managing that? 21:08:47 http://portableapps.com/de <-- look at the what is new section 21:08:58 sar3th you could be :P 21:09:05 Nobody right now, really. 21:09:16 * Bensawsome nominates sar3th 21:09:16 :P 21:15:31 *** palogbot (~palogbot@delawarepark.safesecureweb.com) has joined #portableapps 21:15:31 Topic for #portableapps is: Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. 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Thank you! 22:20:14 Zendor: just select spanish from the options in the menu ;0 22:20:17 *:) 22:21:02 Ah! The download link says something like "English", but not "Multilingual". Is it just the installer? 22:21:22 correct Zendor 22:21:28 but...? 22:21:37 ah, ok :-s 22:21:46 just messing with myself :-( 22:21:48 :-) 22:21:59 Thank you very much Gizmokid2005!!! 22:22:05 You're welcome ZachThibeau 22:22:06 erm 22:22:09 Zendor* :) 22:22:14 :-) 22:22:18 Bye all!!!! 22:22:33 *** Zendor has quit (Client Quit) 22:23:44 *** WastePotato has quit () 22:25:19 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 22:27:56 *** SrgSiler|AFK is now known as SergentSiler 22:36:05 *** gluxon (~gluxon@c-76-23-212-66.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 22:56:57 *** Darwin4Ever has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:57:25 *** excid3_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23:27:36 *** WastePotato (~WastePota@unaffiliated/wastepotato) has joined #portableapps