00:15:16 *** qwertymodo has parted #portableapps ("Leaving.") 00:20:05 *** Oni-Neoxes (Oni-Neoxes@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 00:22:28 *** ptmb has quit (Quit: Bye everybody) 00:23:21 ChrisMorgan: Feel free to do another alpha. I'll prob be looking at it this weekend. I lost over a day to this migraine. 00:23:55 OK 00:24:17 ChrisMorgan: btw - you're only doing code yourself so that we can relicense it if we need to link to a closed DLL at some point later, right? Not using GPL submissions from others. 00:25:53 I cant think of any reason why we'd need to use a closed DLL at all 00:26:02 And what do you mean, "not using GPL submissions from others"? 00:26:47 Well, the platform is all code contributed by me and we're adding in stuff from others that is under joint copyuright (we use the same agreement as OO.o does). 00:27:10 *** gluxon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 00:27:11 That way if we need to link it to a closed DLL later (like for a password/hardware management utility from a hardware partner), we can do that. 00:27:30 Yeah, you got me to sign that joint copyright agreement 00:27:52 Well then, what about BSD (new) and zlib plug-ins and things like that? 00:28:14 I know. But if you accept any code from someone who hasn't signed one, then it's straight GPL. No one owns the copyright fullout. ANd we can never adjust the license or authorize a closed source link. 00:28:25 No, all that is fine since both allow closed source linking. 00:28:32 BSD and zlib i mean 00:29:17 I mean if someone in the forums posts code and you incorporate it, at that point, we no longer own full copyright and can never link it with anything unless it is GPL compatible. 00:29:29 OK, I understand now. 00:29:46 I haven't used any directly yet. Only ideas. 00:29:47 I someone suggests a fix and then you write the code yourself, that's still fine. 00:29:53 Yeah, that's fine. 00:29:58 Yep. 00:30:08 I honestly don't anticipate needing anything like that at any point. 00:31:01 But I did have an interesting chat with someone who knew someone at a virtualization company that may be interested in working together. So, if we ever got to the point of doing a truly huge app that our launcher couldn't handle directly... it may be an option. But that's a long way off. And a long shot. 00:31:20 *** _kai_62656_ is now known as kai_62656 00:32:18 About ProcFunc, then; that's wraithdu's script and I've switched to using it instead of FindProcDLL for a few minor reasons and a plan to check image path rather than just file name in future as an option. He has a copyright message but no licence specified. What do you think I should do? 00:32:34 (a) leave it, (b) ask or (c) switch back to FindProcDLL 00:33:30 Ask. If he's intending it for use with NSIS, it should probably be BSD/zlib/MIT, so that it can be used with everything else. We do our NSIS add-ons under that license even though we GPL everything else for just that reason. 00:33:55 Yep, your first couple of sentences are what I had reckoned. 00:34:53 A few improvements on his code have also occurred to me, optimisations in waiting for a process in particular (it, and the FindProcDLL implementation, open and close a handle to the process after finding PID via process name each time, rather than just once at the start and then work from the same handle) 00:35:27 And also a LogicLib extension for it so that you could do ${If} ${ProcessExists} foo.exe 00:35:40 Does it wait for a proc to finish? 00:36:16 It does it by polling every 250ms in his ${ProcessWait} implementation or 1 second in mine (from the original launchers) 00:36:20 So yes 00:36:45 Ah ok. In that case, yeah, it would be more efficient to just keep the handle. 00:37:03 I think it could be made a lot more efficient by just using the one process handle and wait till checking something fails - thus that it's invalid. 00:37:50 It's really a deficiency in the way we've done it all the time right from the start - as it was the simplest way of doing it. 00:38:36 FindProcDLL has a unicode version available, Eric's code uses the auto and W functions (some times it needs to force the W) and so should work with Unicode. 00:38:55 I've updated all the System::Calls to drop the A as well so they should be W-ready 00:41:13 *** GizmoBot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 00:41:14 *** Gizmokid2005 has quit (Quit: =-O The Gizmo is gone!! Never fear for he shall return!!) 00:41:42 Cool 00:41:59 alright, I am off again. I need to kick this migraine for good today and hit the ground running tomorrow 00:42:54 OK, bye. I'm off too now. 00:43:53 Thanks for all your work chris 00:44:15 *** Scriptdaemon (~KennyW@139.182.188.185) has joined #portableapps 00:46:32 OK, commented on ProcFunc about it all 00:47:59 Yeah, see that, That should do it. 00:50:51 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit... D:) 00:51:05 *** pa_7741 has quit (*.net *.split) 00:52:39 Ok, really heading off now. Thanks again Chris. 00:55:15 *** Computator has quit () 00:55:19 *** JohnTHaller|away has parted #portableapps (None) 00:56:20 *** pa_7741 (~79d1aa3b@gateway/web/freenode/x-rckmjvqrwpurvzih) has joined #portableapps 01:01:07 *** Gizmokid2005 (~Gizmokid2@gizmokid2005.com) has joined #portableapps 01:01:12 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Politeness, n. The most acceptable hypocrisy.) 01:01:14 *** SrgSiler|ZNC is now known as SergentSiler 01:01:18 *** GizmoBot (~GizmoBot@gizmokid2005.com) has joined #portableapps 01:01:21 GizmoBot is the official bot of #Gizmokid2005 and #PortableApps. 01:01:46 *** SergentSiler has quit (Excess Flood) 01:02:09 *** SergentSiler (sergentsil@unaffiliated/sergentsiler) has joined #portableapps 01:02:14 SergentSiler is a PortableApps.com Menu Themer, his theme website is http://silerhost.site50.net 01:02:37 *** SergentSiler has quit (Excess Flood) 01:03:09 *** SrgSiler|ZNC (sergentsil@unaffiliated/sergentsiler) has joined #portableapps 01:07:17 *** Scriptdaemon (~KennyW@139.182.188.185) has joined #portableapps 01:15:26 *** Bensawsome has quit (Quit: stupid truecrypt ?_?) 01:29:10 *** Res2216firestar (Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 01:34:09 *** WastePotato (~WastePota@unaffiliated/wastepotato) has joined #portableapps 01:42:11 *** WastePotato is now known as otatoPetsaW 01:48:02 *** kai_62656 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01:49:31 *** kai_62656 (~kvirc@66-189-153-43.dhcp.crsn.ca.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 01:54:05 * ChrisMorgan resolves to see if online installers work in Wine 01:58:01 *** Bensawsome (~Bensawsom@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 01:58:02 *** GizmoBot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 02:04:03 *** GizmoBot (~GizmoBot@gizmokid2005.com) has joined #portableapps 02:04:06 GizmoBot is the official bot of #Gizmokid2005 and #PortableApps. 02:24:50 *** ZachThibeau is now known as ZachT|ZzZz 02:52:27 *** kai_62656 has quit (Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net) 02:56:13 Online installers work in Wine. And even Process Explorer works for the most part perfectly in Wine. 02:57:30 *** otatoPetsaW is now known as __otatoPetsaW 03:01:54 *** __otatoPetsaW has parted #portableapps (None) 03:05:37 *** Res2216firestar has quit (Quit: Leaving) 03:17:11 *** avi__ (~4890da8e@gateway/web/freenode/x-mfffcaboaeoghzgs) has joined #portableapps 03:17:34 does anyone know how to create submenus? 03:18:25 *** SergentSD (sergentsil@support.team.at.shellium.org) has joined #portableapps 03:18:52 *** SrgSiler|ZNC has quit (Write error: Broken pipe) 03:19:11 what is CTCP ? 03:24:13 CTCP is an IRC term. You don't need to worry about it really 03:24:27 Literally it is Client To Client Protocol 03:24:42 As for submenus, you can't do it in the PortableApps.com Platform yet. 03:26:15 Grr. I go and prepare a nice post with statistics showing how OpenOffice.org Portable involves more than 1.2GB of data to upload (and probably 3 or so to compress in two ways, not to mention the installation)... and when I press save, 404. The thread has been deleted :-( 03:27:44 ok. thanks. 03:33:20 *** pa_0372 (~187c4317@gateway/web/freenode/x-hcyxbwnulnzhkvat) has joined #portableapps 03:34:14 I've downloaded the product, installed it on the USB drive. However, no apps appear on the left side of screen. Ideas? 03:34:59 *** ZachT|ZzZz is now known as ZachThibeau 03:35:10 left side pa_0372? 03:36:12 Left side of the Portable Apps software screen. The right side shows menu items 03:36:18 oh ok 03:36:25 i thought you meant the start menu 03:36:26 lo. 03:36:27 l 03:37:10 Any idea why links to the apps don't apper? 03:38:04 pa_0372: you haven't installed any software into it 03:38:27 which version of the platform did you install? 03:38:27 platform only, light or standard 03:39:04 The platform was standard. I thought the apps were downloaded? 03:39:50 pa_0372: if no icons are appearing in it, you must have downloaded the base version - platform only - which doesn't include any applications. 03:40:26 Open Explorer to your drive, and look at the PortableApps directory inside it; there should be just one called "PortableApps.com" 03:41:40 *** avi__ has quit (Quit: Page closed) 03:42:59 I downloaded standard. I found the "PortableApps.com" and executed it. An install resulted. Still no apps. 03:44:31 OK, what's the file name of what you downloaded? 03:44:37 And how big is it? 03:45:27 Is it PortableApps.com_Platform_Setup_1.6.exe, PortableApps.com_Suite_Light_Setup_1.6.exe or PortableApps.com_Suite_Setup_1.6.exe? 03:45:54 *** dabossbv has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 03:48:23 It's ....Platform_Setup_1.6, size 1,757. 03:50:13 That's just the platform with no applications included. 03:50:43 So you should either install the Suite or select the applications you want and download them. 03:51:50 To me the documentation is confusing. It shows a series of check marks beside the applications. I'll research the Suite install. 03:53:05 Thanks for the help!! 03:53:40 *** pa_0372 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 03:59:03 *** OliverK (~OliverK@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 04:15:04 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 04:34:17 *** ZachThibeau has parted #portableapps ("Leaving") 04:36:01 *** OliverK is now known as OliverK|PChat 04:36:09 *** OliverK|PChat is now known as OliverK 04:45:26 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Politeness, n. The most acceptable hypocrisy.) 04:59:42 *** OliverK has quit (Quit: So long, and thanks for all the fish) 05:00:32 *** pa_7741 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 05:22:47 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 05:42:02 *** computerfreaker (~computerf@64-201-72-179.static.genevaonline.com) has joined #portableapps 05:42:03 computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback 05:42:08 Hi guys! 05:42:18 Hey computerfreaker 05:42:46 ChrisMorgan: I'm in IRC with the NVDA developers at the moment. We've got a workaround for that problem, but it involves running NVDA from %TEMP%. Does PAL have a RunLocally equivalent? 05:43:01 Ooh. What a horrible idea. 05:43:04 Why does it involve that? 05:43:19 What's their IRC server? 05:43:41 #nvda on OFTC 05:43:45 OFTC? 05:43:54 yes, that's the server (like FreeNode) 05:44:00 let me try to find a link 05:44:04 Server address? 05:44:11 working on getting it right now 05:44:29 http://www.nvda-project.org/wiki/Community 05:44:33 OFTC = oftc.net 05:44:40 btw, please don't go there yet 05:44:44 I need to explain a few things first 05:44:51 Yep, thanks. I happen to have closed Chrome just at the moment. I was trying out the different process models. --single-process doesn't seem to work :-/ and --process-per-site is really buggy 05:44:53 so we're all on the same page once you get in there 05:45:32 The devs told me that NVDA injects the DLL's into various processes; they try to unhook it, but sometimes the hooked process won't let go. 05:45:45 They suggested running from %TEMP% so that no longer matters, hence my question 05:45:49 let me get you the log 05:46:03 I don't see how putting it in TEMP would change anything at all 05:46:12 it doesn't, technically 05:46:26 What would it do though? 05:46:27 it only makes it possible to remove the flash drive without rebooting, since the hooked DLL is no longer on the flash drive 05:46:36 and yes, I agree with you, this is a horrible idea 05:46:39 If a handle is open, you still won't be able to delete the files locally. 05:46:48 It won't achieve real portability. 05:46:51 and the NVDA devs know it, too; they said "we've really got to get this fixed" 05:47:10 I know we can't delete the local files, but Delete /REBOOTOK provides some semblance of a fix 05:47:15 You could set the /rebootok flag, but that would be an utterly disgusting approach to it - files would be left behind on the host machine until reboot 05:47:23 it's really one ugly hack on top of another here, but that's the only option atm 05:47:59 It's not the sort of thing that will get it accepted at all at PortableApps.com. Even for testing purposes it would have an enormous "CAVEAT!" heading. 05:48:04 if you want to drop by #nvda and talk to the devs too... ? 05:48:28 " only solution for us really is to copy it ot a temporary directory before starting. need to consider doing this" 05:48:44 I'd say that isn't an option. 05:49:13 If it can't clear it up, the only option is to act like Process Explorer: search through every process, check each handle, if it's to such and such a file, invalidate it. 05:49:23 And that's really, /really/ messy in NSIS. 05:49:30 yes, I know :S 05:49:46 quote from my post in the forums: "Even the BASIC code is ugly" 05:49:54 and in NSIS... *shudder* 05:50:24 oh boy, here comes a conversation I'm /not/ looking forward to, *at all* 05:51:53 ChrisMorgan: NVDA is mostly Python according to its homepage 05:52:16 Really? That changelog you pointed out was C or C++ wasn't it? 05:53:53 I have no idea 05:54:02 I know part of it is C++, but idk how much 05:54:40 computerfreaker: personally I don't see why you're not looking forward to it. So long as they're nice, I reckon it's a fascinating problem :-) 05:55:39 they're nice enough, and it is a fascinating problem, but I just finished bugging them for 20 minutes, we got a "fix" (read: hack) implemented, they thought they were done, and now the whole thing comes down. idk about them, but I'd be getting upset at this point 05:56:19 http://www.nvda-project.org/wiki/About 05:56:31 "NVDA is written in the Python programming language, which allows for rapid development among other benefits. Code that needs to be injected into other processes is written in C++ for high performance." 05:56:34 ouch 05:57:21 Ah 05:59:34 how well do you think the languages interface? That could be something of a problem 06:01:05 *** Horusofoz (~db5ab373@gateway/web/freenode/x-fgnqfqerisdszztt) has joined #portableapps 06:01:08 Not really. The bit that we care about is C++. Any more unloading code would go in there. 06:01:11 Hey Jeff! 06:01:17 Hey Chris :) 06:01:31 Hi Horusofoz! 06:02:21 Hey computerfreaker :) 06:02:27 What's the buzz? 06:02:47 NVDA, a OSS screen reader, is the current buzz 06:03:19 it hooks a bunch of system processes, but the DLL doesn't get unreleased properly - end result, no portability. 06:03:31 Chris Morgan and I are talking with the devs right now, and it's a bit electric 06:04:13 Cool :) When you say electric do you mean positive? 06:04:21 not sure 06:04:30 yes, I think so 06:04:31 Horusofoz: electricity comes positive and negative ;-) 06:04:39 it could go either way 06:05:40 Looks like a good app. Are the NVDA considering in house portalbe development using PAL or are you ( computerfreaker ) handling the development? 06:06:02 I'm trying to handle the development; the settings stuff is easy enough, but the hooks are a problem 06:07:06 Seems the PAl is being received more positively than some months back :) 06:07:13 yep :) 06:10:17 ChrisMorgan: " explorer often doesn't release" 06:16:55 ChrisMorgan: looks like we're stuck; we can't really ask users to close Firefox every time they close NVDA. Looks like RunLocally and Delete /REBOOTOK is the only way left for now 06:18:26 Probably so. For the moment at least if you wish to continue with it do a custom NSIS launcher, and put a big fat warning screen that it's still there if you can't delete it. Except that the software is designed for people that need a screen-reader because they can't read it themselves... 06:18:53 ok 06:18:57 And you'll have to put them straight in TEMP rather than in a subdirectory - There's no /rebootok equivalent for RMDir as I recall it 06:19:16 ok 06:20:00 * ChrisMorgan thinks we need a custom message box type to have a "Don't show this message again" checkbox 06:20:06 I wonder if John would be willing to let me create a "regular" splash? NVDA works, the settings move is guaranteed to work because there is no move, so this could go directly to an official release if it wasn't for this problem 06:21:46 Possibly only show that message box the first time you run NVDA Portable and it can't unload - that way people won't get annoyed by the fact that it alllwwaayyys annoys them when they quit. 06:22:00 So long as they know that it's a slightly non-portable aspect of it, it should be OK. 06:22:23 BTW, did you look at the previous test releases of NVDA Portable? There have been a few by a couple of different people 06:22:34 so, I'll probably want a FirstRun flag in a NVDAPortableSettings.ini file 06:23:03 no, I wasn't aware there had been any previous test releases. Let me take a quick look; maybe somebody figured out something 06:23:15 Something like that. Maybe "FirstRun=false" or "NotFirstRun=true" 06:23:34 In future, ALWAYS search before starting on an application 06:23:39 FirstRun=false sounds cleaner, IMHO 06:24:10 and yeah, not searching has cost me >3 hours already on XN Resource Editor and Inno Setup 06:25:56 * ChrisMorgan remembers when someone did WinDirStat once it was already an official application 06:26:23 * computerfreaker shakes his head 06:29:54 At least one good thing came out of it: the icon the second person had done was better than the official one and so it was incorporated in the next release. 06:30:15 just finished looking back at other NVDA test releases - the last was in early '08, and it was when NVDA was still in alpha 06:30:31 I doubt they had this problem to worry about 06:32:17 It's probably worth while taking a look at their source code nevertheless 06:32:36 ok, will do 06:32:54 Yeah, 0.6p2 06:32:57 whoa, what have we here? 06:33:03 Jan. 30, 2009 06:33:13 Indeed. 06:33:15 a somewhat later build than the one I had found 06:33:29 Oh, you found 0.5 did you? 06:33:39 yes 06:36:39 I am *stunned* 06:37:08 Why? 06:37:17 maybe just a fluke, but 0.6 apparently won't get rid of its hooks either 06:37:20 let me try again 06:38:37 hmm, apparently just a fluke 06:38:43 it went OK this time 06:39:22 What's the code like though? 06:39:31 looking at that right now 06:42:29 pretty simple: it moves two files using ReName 06:43:38 OK, so it didn't do any extras 06:43:43 nope 06:43:44 I'll just copy the KidSafe launcher and use that; the app style is the same (just needs a single command-line parameter to handle the settings file) 06:44:12 it's a standard PA launcher, if that's what you mean by extras, but that was the entire "guts" of the code 06:51:28 well, now that that's settled, I'll have to ask John about a custom splash 06:54:13 There, I've rewritten ProcFunc to use Util.nsh and its more efficient function method (as done by the core *Func.nsh files) 06:54:41 It also means you don't need to "!insertmacro ProcessExists" after including it, you can just run ${ProcessExists} straight away. 06:54:53 ChrisMorgan: should I have an alert ("This leaves files in %TEMP") or a prompt ("This leaves files in %TEMP%; do you want to continue or abort?") 06:55:41 Nah, just say afterwards the first time that "Some small files may be left in $TEMP. They will be deleted next time the computer reboots." 06:55:52 ok, will do 06:56:09 Bye 06:56:18 bye, thanks for all the help! 06:56:22 And it is "may" as far as you can tell. 06:56:32 ok 06:56:36 And don't use $TEMP, use a friendly name for it 06:56:43 yes, I will 06:56:46 "the local temporary storage directory" 06:56:57 that sounds good, and better than what I had been contemplating 07:01:15 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 07:51:21 *** computerfreaker_ (~computerf@64-201-72-179.static.genevaonline.com) has joined #portableapps 07:51:34 *** computerfreaker has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:55:52 *** computerfreaker_ has quit (Quit: Bye!) 08:19:44 *** Horusofoz has quit (Quit: Page closed) 09:51:29 *** pa_4367 (~cb8f0cda@gateway/web/freenode/x-brnylioxpkmmdcan) has joined #portableapps 09:52:25 hi 09:52:48 i want ur help 09:53:44 anybody know how to create language pack for portable apps menu 09:54:53 *** pa_4367 has quit (Client Quit) 10:17:00 *** Twinkletoes|W (~chatzilla@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 10:32:03 *** Zarggg_ (~zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) has joined #portableapps 10:35:01 *** Zarggg has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10:55:59 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 11:07:53 *** rouilj (~rouilj@pool-74-104-157-242.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 11:10:48 *** rouilj2 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 11:16:19 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit... 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If he dies: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/restart 18:28:43 *** pa_4654 (~50068c35@gateway/web/freenode/x-ctjlzidhtflzzeza) has joined #portableapps 18:30:03 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 18:30:18 help! just created an account but it won't let me add a password, every time I put in my password in the field and click save it clears the boxes 18:30:18 pa_4654: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums 18:31:10 Did you try using a different password? 18:31:20 yep have tried several different ones 18:31:38 Are you siure you entered the same password in both fields? You have to enter it twice exactly. 18:32:08 it said they were both correct... i'll check again... 18:32:34 Did you have any trouble signing up for the account? Did you get the email with the clickable link to verify it and click to get the current page? 18:34:18 got the e-mail and the link, clicked it, came up with the edit page, tried putting in password and other information, the other information saved (like time zone etc) but the password fields were blank 18:34:44 Wait, are you sure you're not done already? Are you logged in? 18:36:43 I'm logged in yes, at least it has the option to log out, but the password won't enter. I've tried logging out to see if it had accepted the password but was playing up, but that didn't work. I tried logging in with no password but it didn't accept that either. So I then had to do the password reset to get back on 18:37:07 what browser are you using? 18:37:22 Google Chrome at the moment 18:37:37 Maybe it's mucking with it. Try either IE or Firefox. 18:37:45 kk 18:37:52 Logout. Click the reset link. Copy the link. Paste into FF or IE. 18:38:00 Copy the link you get in email I mean 18:39:17 once you have saved the password it won't show it in the box so unless it says there was a error you saved it fine 18:44:43 ... but if I log off and try log on with the password it says it doesn't work... probably me doing something stupid lol :D sorry 18:45:05 cookies disabled or something? 18:45:19 or is it too short of a password? 18:45:19 or some adblocker messing with it? 18:45:58 wait... no... wait.. got it... .... er... not sure what I did differently there... 18:47:07 must have been typing something wrong somewhere... sigh... sorry for wasting your time, thanks for giving it and for the advice :D much appreciated 18:47:42 *** JohnTHaller1 (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 18:48:07 *** pa_4654 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 18:50:06 *** JohnTHaller has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 18:50:09 *** JohnTHaller1 has parted #portableapps (None) 18:50:47 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 19:01:45 *** kai_62656 (~kvirc@66-189-153-43.dhcp.crsn.ca.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 19:02:00 *** kai_62656 has quit (Changing host) 19:02:00 *** kai_62656 (~kvirc@unaffiliated/kai-62656/x-7765177) has joined #portableapps 19:38:13 *** Computator has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 19:39:40 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 19:40:03 *** Computator (~Computato@69-20-171-61.static.ida.net) has joined #portableapps 19:40:04 *** Computator has quit (Changing host) 19:40:04 *** Computator (~Computato@unaffiliated/computator) has joined #portableapps 19:41:20 hey JohnTHaller when are HOME and END going to work in the menu?? :P 19:43:20 oh, btw, fwiw + works but +P stopped working 19:44:16 Computator: in V2 thats being changed 19:44:17 on purpose 19:44:28 oh ok 19:44:32 how come? 19:44:40 and i am using 1.6 19:44:42 because of Windows using more hotkeys 19:44:49 He might've changed it for the latest 1.6 as well 19:46:00 oh, i would think it would be better to keep the +P one and get rid of the other because +space is already used for the context menu for the current window 19:46:19 is +p used for something in newer versions of windows? 19:46:22 Right, but WIN+P was used for something else in Win7 19:46:24 yes 19:46:33 what? 19:46:33 it's for display prefs to quick-select 19:46:38 ahh ok 19:47:16 http://gizmokid2005.com/images/win_p.png 19:47:18 for that ^^ 19:47:38 neat 19:48:04 well then, how about +P then it won't conflict with either 19:48:07 ? 19:48:27 ALT+ is a reserved hotkey 19:48:34 for accessibility stuff 19:49:03 trust me, John had a long conversation I think on both IRC and the forums about what Hotkey to use 19:49:26 Computator: http://portableapps.com/node/18863 19:50:30 oh ok, one more question :) if alt+ is reserved why did they use + (especially since it clonflicts w/ the context menu)? 19:50:43 it's not alt+space 19:50:48 it's WIN+ALT+SPACE 19:51:05 ohhh, makes more sense 19:51:12 WIN+P is used by Windows 7 and can't be overridden 19:51:27 CTRL-ALT-SPACE is used by Launchy, which is pretty popular among techies 19:51:48 So we went with WIN-ALT-SPACE since it is available and easy to hit with one hand in one motion. 19:51:54 are they just still using + in 1.6 then? cuz it opens the PAL when you do 19:51:58 i agree 19:52:22 Win-alt-space is used in 1.6 and 2.0B4 and will be what we use going forward 19:52:38 ok great 19:53:22 oh, and sorry, i guess i sortof drowned your question :( (i'll be quiet) 19:53:49 no need Computator, just be curteous, and you had a valid question :) 19:54:04 ok thx :) 20:08:31 *** rouilj has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 20:21:10 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a83-132-128-25.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 20:29:40 *** rouilj (~rouilj@216-107-210-99.Renesys.static.cust.seg.net) has joined #portableapps 21:09:58 *** rcmaehl (~rcmaehl@unaffiliated/rcmaehl) has joined #portableapps 21:29:22 *** markomlm (~chatzilla@pD95564C8.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 21:29:42 hello markomlm 21:29:52 JohnTHaller:You've got mail :-) 21:29:54 Sorry for delay... 21:32:05 hello @all 21:34:19 JohnTHaller, Have you received my email? 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