00:03:58 *** kai_6265| has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00:12:06 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 00:20:47 *** Scriptdaemon (~KennyW@139.182.188.185) has joined #portableapps 00:21:27 *** kracker_wz (~A@unaffiliated/kai-62656/x-7765177) has joined #portableapps 00:23:58 *** Spaceghost has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00:41:15 *** excid3 is now known as excid1337 00:46:27 *** gluxon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:50:03 *** MaienM is now known as MaienM|Sleep 00:51:04 *** kracker_wz is now known as kai_6265| 00:51:15 *** kai_6265| is now known as kracker_wz 00:55:40 *** ZachThibeau_ (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 00:56:21 *** ZachThibeau_ has quit (Client Quit) 00:56:52 sorry about that I forgotten I already had a PChat instance running :P 01:00:25 howdy JohnTHaller how was the gym? 01:05:13 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 01:05:13 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 01:05:43 An hour for some more development :-) 01:06:35 5 hours and still developing for me :P 01:07:11 JohnTHaller: a few weeks ago my brother Ben got back from America... now Jon's gone there. (They've both been on the west end though, Ben in San Deigo and Jon roaming a bit more.) You'd almost think they liked America :P 01:08:01 they should come to Canada :P 01:08:31 ZachThibeau, if they'd had BibleTech:2010 in Canada instead of the USA maybe Jon would have gone there. 01:09:01 And if they'd moved the University of California, San Diego to Canada maybe Ben would have gone there. 01:09:42 we have something better ;) it's Called visit Zach Convention :P jk but yeah personally I would like to go to the states sometime especially during some of the nice tech conventions they have there 01:09:47 hang on a sec... 01:10:05 Anyway, time to implement NewTextReplace properly. 01:10:33 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler 01:10:41 *** SrgSiler is now known as SrgSiler|AFK 01:17:42 Hmm... can NewTextReplace be used to replace non-unicode files? 01:18:04 I would guess so due to "Push `/U=1 /S=0`". 01:18:20 If I can scrap TextReplace completely that's good. 01:19:59 Ah yep, good. 01:20:18 It is just swap TextReplace.nsh for NewTextReplace.nsh :-) 01:25:57 JohnTHaller, do you mind if I respond to gluxon's "Wait, eXpresso is going to be built in to the Platform?" (as "no" as you've said with explanation) or do you want to? 01:31:14 Ok back. Was updating out 800 number systems 01:31:23 Feel free chris 01:31:47 My little ReplaceUTF16 workaround help you out at all codewise? 01:32:30 Not really; it does it all but really all that needs doing anyway is reading one more value and duplicating the actual execution lines with another if clause. 01:32:39 I have got it all working though. 01:34:10 Ah, cool. Well once it's in the next beta along with replacements for my other patches (custom name, splash, etc), I'll switch those PRs over to the real deal. :-) 01:34:15 So Mode=Replace and Encoding=UTF16-LE is the way I've done it 01:34:30 Custom name I had already done a couple of days before you did it. 01:34:35 Have you tried that version at all? 01:34:35 Ok. The other option for encoding is ANSI and it's the default, right? 01:34:46 Nope. I don't do mercurial yet. 01:34:54 Yep 01:35:31 In a thread in Request Apps entitled "TortoiseHg" Gringoloco shared a Mercurial package all ready for it, with a batch file to clone the Launcher repository and another to update it. 01:35:56 As a matter of fact that's how I got it here at Uni as the Mercurial installer requires admin. 01:35:58 Nor does pretty much anybody. So if it's fixed in the mercurial code, we should say a fix is coming in Beta 2 (or whatever) and has already been submitted. Rather than saying it's already fixed, since normal users won't have access (technically they will... but realistically, they won't) 01:37:05 I thought Tortoise was a shell extension. How's he got that working portably? 01:37:08 And I've thought of a way I can avoid !searchreplace without increasing code verbosity in the segment files. That should help Unicode NSIS builds (still may be some issue with blank lines in appinfo.ini messing up those things, that's parly why there are defaults). 01:37:23 It is, what he shared was just Mercurial not TortoiseHg. 01:37:47 *** res|away is now known as Res2216firestar 01:38:27 Alright, I'm gonna read this http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial and this http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/UnderstandingMercurial in a bit 01:38:28 I'm intending to look at Tortoise* Portable soon but the Launcher's not quite ready for it yet: it needs an executable to be able to wait for. I need to put in a mode where you can run it once to start the program (first time it'll notify you about the close step -->) and then run it again to quit. 01:38:50 Ah, that sounds like a Platform extension :-D 01:38:54 See http://portableapps.com/node/22537#comment-144525 if you just want to get the quick start 01:39:08 JohnTHaller, possibly. People who don't use the Platform won't like it ;-) 01:39:30 They can still use them mostly. They'll just need to manually run the start and stop procedure themselves. 01:39:44 That'd be fine. 01:39:46 The extensions I'm doing, I won't bother with non-platform support. But you can write them either way. 01:40:30 2.0 Final should supercede the functionality of both Pam MODs and most of Geek.Menu, which is the majority of alternative menus most people use. 01:40:34 One or two of the Tortoise apps have tray icons through which you can control them but I don't think that would really help 01:40:43 Goodie :-) 01:40:55 You could write your own tray app for it with AHK or something, if you really wanted to. 01:41:09 That'd make PAL nasty. 01:41:26 And most of them have their own tray icons too 01:41:48 No no. I mean special for this app. Just a simple tray icon that when exited, PAL will know to clean up. 01:42:07 And that AHK code could then work with other apps that need it (which there will only be a few anyway). 01:42:20 That would keep all the messiness of start and stop codes out of PAL proper. 01:42:23 If I were doing that it'd be PAL code - an extra "module" for PAL apps which need that functionality. 01:42:37 There will probably only be a few. So I wouldn 01:42:43 't want to complicate PAL just for that. 01:42:50 You're probably right. 01:43:17 Specially if we can whip up a basic AHK script that can take it's place. And a simple stub in C++ or Delphi when doing it as a platform extension. 01:43:18 I'm just meaning I'd put it in the PAL repository as an extra functionality mode. Such applications would share almost everything. 01:43:57 Basically a dummy EXE that can sit there with no interface that PAL waits for. The platform would cue it to close as it exits and shuts down the extension. 01:44:15 Sounds good 01:44:43 I got Delphi to sit around smaller now, too, for the AutoRun thing 01:45:16 Yay, avoided !searchreplace :-) 01:45:22 sweet 01:45:29 that mean you can go full unicode? 01:45:45 I think so except for getting values from appinfo.ini 01:46:11 All it was was I was taking SegmentName.nsh and cutting out the .nsh, to create a macro name - but there's really no reason why the macro name can't include .nsh as it's only directly called through Segments.nsh itself again. 01:46:15 We could use a PortableApps.comLauncherCustom.nsh for that with a couple defines 01:46:40 Included /NOFATAL 01:46:51 It already does that for with the Segment :D 01:47:07 Then you wouldn't need to read from the appinfo.ini. 01:47:23 The time when it's included though is currently an issue 01:47:27 We don't need the app's version number as the version of the launcher. The launcher can just be the launcher's version number (since we do that now anyway) 01:47:39 How so? 01:47:52 It's included in Segments.nsh which is all after the VersionInfo. 01:48:01 It just means a bit of reordering. 01:49:00 Ah. Any reason not to move it up? 01:49:53 Wow, mercurial is quite a bit different from my old days with MS SourceSafe (the last management system I used) 01:50:08 Incidentally I found a very minor issue with the Installer. It sets the output directory before the "Installing Thingummy..." so when it's running slowly you see "Changing directory to X:\PortableApps\Thingummy" or whatever it is first. Not sure if you can do anything about it though. 01:50:10 EEK! 01:50:33 Microsoft Visual Source Safe was a DISASTER. An Unmitigated DISASTER. 01:50:47 It was known for making a mess of things and breaking things regularly. 01:50:52 I'll fix that in the next release 01:51:02 It was all we had in the old days. And we liked it. Now get off my lawn. 01:51:17 Not sure if you can... is the SetOutPath automatic? 01:52:30 Compilation with NSISu was successful. Four warnings (debug file not there, unable to get version number, AppID and Name from appinfo.ini) 01:52:41 The first warning was expected. 01:53:24 Hmm... nope I can't fix it. The first real thing run in the main section is the bit to pring the status and then set it to listonly 01:53:33 Thought so 01:54:08 Unless you can change the default state to listonly. 01:54:12 I'll look through it a bit more. See if it's possible to set before the screen shows. Or hide it and then show the control using API calls. 01:54:24 Yeah. Looking into that, too 01:54:48 You can't, there's only ShowInstDetails which is hide|show|nevershow 01:55:14 It's unimportant really. 01:58:19 I know. Little things like that bug me, too. 01:58:27 So do you think that Mercurial is better or worse than MSVSS? 01:58:31 Or just different? 01:58:50 MSVSS was easier to understand. One repository. You check something out, work on it, check it back in. 01:59:24 Yeah, svn, hg et al. are quite different from that older style model. 02:04:20 I'll need to try running this Unicode build now. Got a tutorial next door now though, see you in an hour. 02:05:31 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Quit messages are inane.) 02:09:56 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 02:18:51 *** kracker_wz has quit (Quit: Leaving) 02:20:09 *** JohnTHaller1 (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 02:23:59 *** JohnTHaller has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 02:26:16 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Politeness, n. The most acceptable hypocrisy.) 02:34:55 *** Res2216firestar is now known as res|away 02:37:01 *** JohnTHaller1 is now known as JohnTHaller 02:42:45 JohnTHaller, have you ever considered applying to have PA.c as a Google Summer of Code mentor organization? 02:43:30 I don't know enough about it, unfortunately. It would probably make sense to, though. 02:44:38 Too late. They took applications for 4 days earlier in March. I never heard a thing about it. 02:45:33 I realize it's too late for this year, but I didn't know if anyone had brought it up to you before. 02:45:58 Thought it would be a great way to get some good contributions 02:46:06 Yeah, I'd considered it last year. But they don't really promote it to organizations. So, again, we had no idea before the 4 day application window, which is insanely short. 02:46:39 I particpated last year, and as a mentor you don't really need to do much more than have an idea and help a student execute it 02:46:58 It is a very short application period for organizations, I'll try to remind you next year 02:47:09 Sadly, we'll probably miss it again next year, as we did last year and this year. 02:48:05 If someone had told me ahead of time, I'd probably have applied. I mean we are one of the larger open source projects. 02:48:37 No doubt, I'll see if I can remember then, I imagine you could get some great stuff accomplished 02:49:15 Yeah, would be nice to get some folks involved that way 02:49:24 *** excid1337 is now known as excid3 02:50:33 There are a lot of younger people interested in the project as it is too which would be perfect 02:52:24 Anyways, just thought I'd mention it 02:52:31 Great little thing they put on 02:54:01 Thanks for the thought. Wish we hadn't missed it 03:07:45 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 03:07:46 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 03:12:39 hi again ChrisMorgan 03:12:45 Hey :-) 03:12:52 How goes PAL? 03:13:01 Fine, just working on the !defines now 03:13:11 Nice. Unicode compile working? 03:13:24 It compiles, and it should work, but I haven't tested it yet. 03:13:34 I'll try it on Mixxxxxxxx* 03:13:38 heh 03:13:53 Yeah, give it a shot. It uses a Config write and both kinds of replace. 03:14:29 Can I just say I've been digging using PAL and checking out the source code? It works really well. And I like how you split up the code into segments. So much easier to follow. 03:15:03 At times it's worse (hey, where has this thing gone? Which segment is it in?) but normally it increases usability. 03:15:07 *** Zarggg has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03:15:41 As long as it's properly organized, it's easier. But if it's not kept logically split up, I could see it becoming a nightmare. 03:16:12 In separating it like that I achieved one of my objectives of finding bad nesting problems - nesting is easy to do properly once it's divided up like this but before wasn't. I fixed a potential stumbling block with some registry things at the time in that way. 03:16:33 First I tried code folding in Vim but it wasn't enough. File separation works better. 03:16:57 Indeed. ANd doesn't marry others to Vim 03:17:02 :P 03:17:10 I'm just not a fan, sorry :-P 03:17:11 Not that that would be at all a bad thing ;-) 03:17:21 That's merely 'cos you haven't tried it long enough. 03:19:21 I mean, really, in what text editor can you do something like this: I need to move the "Program Details" chunk of code just below the "Load the segments" chunk. ddjjjjjjjp:w and it's done. 03:19:55 Select, CTRL-X, click, CTRL-V and it's done. 03:20:08 dd to delete the line (code is folded so it deletes the block), 7j to go down 7 lines (sure, you can use the arrow keys but that's no fun ;-)), p to paste it, :w to save. 03:20:27 Cut and paste on other than a line basis is error-prone. 03:20:46 Yeah, I'll stick with CTRL-S to save, thanks. 03:20:58 And really line block selection is even more accurate than line selection: you won't leave a line behind or move one you didn't intend to by accident. 03:21:11 *** Zarggg (~zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) has joined #portableapps 03:22:19 And, what's more, when you do it in Vim it Works ;-) 03:23:03 I'm not gonna learn a whole set of arhaic keyboard commands that are exclusive to a single app to use a text editor, my friend. 03:23:13 Archaic!? 03:23:34 *** SrgSiler|AFK is now known as SrgSiler|Sleep 03:23:39 you heard me! 03:23:53 Well actually I heard you saying "arhaic" ;-) 03:23:57 heh true 03:24:14 Emacs FTW! 03:24:19 EEK! 03:24:23 Haha 03:24:25 Kidding. 03:24:31 Ctrl+O Meta+H Win+DEAR 03:24:46 I did used to use Emacs on an old Vax in college. Hated it then, too. 03:25:30 The FIT machines at Uni here have emacs. I tried it briefly and got completely lost in the tutorial file (i.e. "where am I in this file? My page up and page down seems to have got muddled, I'm lost inside the file") in very short order. 03:25:55 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 03:26:04 They use some categorisation in the start menu... and there's one application in "Multimedia" - ConTEXT :-/ 03:26:35 categorization is nice... when done right. 03:26:59 It was done well enough to confuse people looking for JCreator in a lab class. 03:27:00 That's what's taken so long on the menu. Had to figure out the proper way to tie together site - updater - menu - translations. 03:27:11 Few people seemed to notice the "Development" folder. 03:27:15 heh 03:27:25 That's why we have those handy options for people, too 03:30:15 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Quit: Opera Web Browser 10.50 alpha preview! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://www.opera.com/) 03:31:22 ChrisMorgan: Need me for anything else? I'm fading and will prob head to bed in a minute 03:31:51 Don't think so. I think I'll see if I can do a release this afternoon in the next couple of hours. 03:32:17 Gonna do it as Unicode? 03:32:27 (and a new thread for beta 2, please) :-) 03:32:35 What do you reckon? 03:32:44 With InstallerU as well? 03:33:40 Just PAL for now. I'm going incorporate installerU into 1.1, I think. I've been debating dropping the $1k for Delphi 2010 anyway. May as well do Unicode now that everything is being updated for 2.0 anyway 03:34:19 OK. I just thought it might be worth while doing both Unicode. 03:35:28 Possibly PAL A and U versions. 03:36:57 Oh, you could continue posting both A and U for now. But I'm thinking we'll just go U for everything. InstallerU is still missing the moreinfo plugin isn't it? 03:37:12 Don't think so 03:37:16 I think it's meant to be complete 03:37:38 MoreInfo (solved: MoreInfo.1.0.1.2.zip)translated into C by KJD (PerditionC) 03:38:05 I reckon it's worth while doing it with everything Unicode. 03:38:20 Ah nice. I should check that out. I'm updating all apps (yes. all) to the new installer when it's done. Adding more updater-specific stuff to fix a couple minor issues. 03:38:39 We're gonna do a mild refresh on the splash screen URL bars and the sidebar of the installer graphic at the same time. 03:39:00 That was something I was intending to do... try to replicate the splash screen in SVG in Inkscape. 03:39:19 Why not do the launchers too with PAL as far as we can while doing the installers? 03:39:54 *** vf2nsr_ (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 03:40:20 You mean automate installer creation? 03:40:59 No, I'm meaning if you're updating all apps to the new installer we might as well go through thoroughly and do launchers and complete PAF check too. 03:41:45 Ouch. Don't know if we'll have time for that. Spose we could with multiple peeps. 03:42:00 I could go through them too. 03:42:55 I was thinking more roll out the PAL with each new upgrade after that. This is mostly a repack, so we probably won't push them out to updater users. It's the same app with just a tweaked splash and upgraded installer. For users with it already installed, it's not really any different. But a new launcher, that'd be a revision really. 03:43:37 *** vf2nsr has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 03:43:45 It does bring in new functionality (and chuck out some old as in Firefox with Skip* etc. INI options), e.g. Live mode support for all apps* 03:43:51 *** vf2nsr_ is now known as vf2nsr 03:43:52 * app must support directory moving 03:44:10 Yeah, but I don't know if we'll have time for all that testing. 03:44:18 We got like 2 weeks 03:44:32 And PA.c is just gonna hit beta 2. 03:44:34 OK then, that won't do. 03:44:49 Maybe for a few older apps that need fixes anyway. Kinda do em as we come. 03:44:58 Yeah. 03:45:38 And, then maybe start going through em and getting the config files ready as patches for them for those still on old launchers. Help us flush out bugs and find new bits to add PAL at the same time 03:45:57 What were you thinking about with revisions? I don't like doing lots of revisions... makes it look as though there are problems (I looked at the WinPenPack version of Inkscape, revision 12, and it was only the last one when they discovered the environment variable override I added). 03:46:13 Maybe "Update"? Sudoku Portable 1.2.3.4 Update? 03:46:29 Nah, doesn't sound quite right. 03:47:07 FOr the repacks. The file version and all would remain the same. but it'd be called repack as part of the file name. Basically a vix for an installer really... no really changes in the app itself. 03:47:22 Repack sounds OK 03:56:12 Good, custom values is working fine (requires !defines with Unicode NSIS, reads fine from appinfo.ini with NSIS but you can still use !defines) 03:56:57 ah fun 03:57:30 THoughts on the version of the launcher? APp version vs PAL version? If App Version, we should add a custom PALVersion field 03:58:00 Personally I'm more inclined just to not do backwards compatibility at all: if they're upgrading the apps they can upgrade the platform too. 03:58:35 At some point it's going to change and some people will get annoyed. I reckon we may as well do it straight off. 03:59:14 That might get people to notice PAL earlier (and thus use it), which is possibly good and possibly bad. And they might then connect the two things as bad or possibly see the benefit. 03:59:17 I think the launchers should have the PAL version as their displayed version when hovering (consistent with now). I think we should maintain compatibility with outdated menus that don't support PAF for a bit. But make it clear in documentation that this is temporary. 03:59:58 We have a version which works with the proper PAF details - thus users can upgrade to it if they care. 04:00:05 We're gonna start rolling out apps with PAL this week and folks using other menus will see it as us forcing them tot move back to PAP. 04:00:09 It's better, they'll say thanks if we make them upgrade... 04:00:30 Hmm, hadn't thought about that with the 2.0 features etc. to make it better than the others. 04:00:39 Maybe then just post-2.0 would be better. 04:01:10 I'd like to wait until, say, a month after 2.0 hits. Give time for it to filter out. Address issues with people switching back. Teak the platform to make upgrading back easier. etc. 04:01:28 Downgrading to which version? 04:01:36 So, we release now with 'legacy support' for custom App name and icon. Making it clear that it's temporary 04:01:51 I mean upgrading from PAM MOD35 back to PAP2.0 04:01:53 ... for those who read the PAL documentation 04:01:57 Ah 04:02:04 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]) 04:02:41 Yeah, it'll be for devs. But we'll start switching the apps once PAP2.0 is in full force and the app directory is more flushed out. Folks with manual menus, it has no effect. Just a couple extra clicks when they add an app. 04:03:33 To do a custom PAL build with makensisw: Tools -> Settings (Ctrl+S); Symbol Name = PACKAGE, Value = X:\PortableApps\AppNamePortable. With makensis: /DPACKAGE=X:\PortableApps\AppNamePortable 04:04:16 Ouch 04:04:26 I think having an optional NSH is *MUCH*better 04:04:35 I am so NOT gonna want to do that with every app 04:05:27 JohnTHaller, that's just so you don't need to copy the whole Source directory... and so that it can get the PAL version number 04:05:40 I'll make a wizard for you if you like. 04:05:58 Yeah. But having to do that for dozens of apps. Ow. 04:06:22 I who like to use makensis would be unfazed by it :D 04:06:48 I right-click NSI files and say compile 04:07:00 I don't tend to use Explorer much at all. 04:11:09 PortableApps.com Launcher Generator (wizard) is well underway. 04:15:22 I thikn Delphi 2010 can better handle icons, extracting em from EXEs and doing to/from PNGs 04:15:52 Moreso than the simple bit I have it the installer now to create the banners up top with the bits in them. 04:16:13 Ooh 04:16:59 Alright, must sleep 04:17:03 Gnight man 04:17:09 Bye 04:17:13 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 04:20:12 :O Task Coach 1.0.0! 04:37:11 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 04:41:11 *** vf2nsr has quit (Client Quit) 04:54:45 *** dabossbv1 (~dabossbv@p4FDC6410.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 04:54:45 *** dabossbv has quit (Disconnected by services) 04:54:55 *** dabossbv1 is now known as dabossbv 04:55:54 Good, wizard seems to be working. 05:17:00 And committed. 05:33:26 *** Horusofoz (~Jeffrey_S@219-90-183-124.ip.adam.com.au) has joined #portableapps 05:33:35 *** Horusofoz has parted #portableapps (None) 05:39:14 *Wah* 05:39:25 MixxxPortable.exe is in an infinite loop somewhere... where? 05:40:18 lol... 05:40:27 Now to debug :-( 05:40:28 aren't infinite loops fun? xD 05:40:35 good luck :/ 05:40:38 If you're Apple, possibly. Otherwise no. 05:41:47 *** Spaceghost (libertad@unaffiliated/spaceghost) has joined #portableapps 05:43:10 Got it. It's doing FileWrite1 over and over again... 05:45:29 Change of iterator variable didn't help. 05:45:41 ARGH! 05:45:44 I know why :-( 05:45:54 Tell me what's wrong with this line: 05:45:55 ${ConfigWriteS} $1 $2 $3 $R0 05:46:01 Or this: ${ConfigWrite} $1 $2 $3 $R0 05:46:08 $R0 IS THE ITERATOR VARIABLE! 06:02:14 All fixed, all good, happy, bye :-) 06:02:24 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Quit messages are inane.) 06:19:31 *** dabossbv has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 06:58:01 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 06:58:03 ZachThibeau is the poor person that can't get a working server but produces the awesome PChat :D 06:59:41 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Client Quit) 07:00:09 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 07:00:11 ... 09:09:59 *** marlop|afk has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 09:15:05 *** marlop|afk (marlop@use.the.force.on.shellium.org) has joined #portableapps 09:15:14 *** marlop|afk is now known as marlop 09:25:16 *** sar3th has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:28:34 *** Guest9217 (sar3th@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) has joined #portableapps 09:30:09 *** SteveLamerton (~kvirc@99.83.125.91.rb4.adsl.brightview.com) has joined #portableapps 10:23:17 *** pa_5867 (~724e72a1@gateway/web/freenode/x-bsmcqxxugvvvtqex) has joined #portableapps 10:23:24 hey 10:23:29 peple 10:23:40 are you here? 10:23:45 guess not 10:23:49 *** pa_5867 has quit (Client Quit) 10:32:16 *** Twinkletoes|W (~chatzilla@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 11:00:05 *** SteveLamerton has quit () 11:05:01 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 11:22:15 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit... 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If he dies: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/restart 14:44:50 *** MaienM|Sleep is now known as MaienM 14:54:48 *** markomlm has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 15:04:14 *** SteveLamerton (~kvirc@99.83.125.91.rb4.adsl.brightview.com) has joined #portableapps 15:10:53 Hello all 15:16:14 Hello 15:49:26 *** pa_1246 (~406b6542@gateway/web/freenode/x-txjkcygjipuvgrea) has joined #portableapps 15:49:50 *** pa_1246 has parted #portableapps (None) 16:06:28 howdy everyone 16:08:18 *** Simeon (~uws65698@nw2pc47.stud.uni-stuttgart.de) has joined #portableapps 16:18:17 Hi ZachThibeau, Simeon 16:19:04 hi Steve 16:42:20 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@pD9E27985.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 16:59:23 *** benedikt93 has parted #portableapps (None) 17:02:15 *** Simeon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 17:13:16 *** AppGuy (~App_Guy@unaffiliated/appguy) has joined #portableapps 17:13:39 *** AppGuy has parted #portableapps (None) 17:17:06 *** AppGuy (~App_Guy@unaffiliated/appguy) has joined #portableapps 17:25:04 *** AppGuy has parted #portableapps (None) 17:35:27 *** AppGuy (~App_Guy@unaffiliated/appguy) has joined #portableapps 17:35:31 *** AppGuy has parted #portableapps (None) 17:46:11 *** kai_62656 (~A@unaffiliated/kai-62656/x-7765177) has joined #portableapps 17:46:15 *** Spaceghost has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 17:53:56 *** SteveLamerton has quit () 18:13:21 *** rouilj1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18:22:21 *** kai_62656 has quit (Quit: Leaving) 18:25:04 *** kai_62656 (~A@unaffiliated/kai-62656/x-7765177) has joined #portableapps 18:42:36 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 18:45:34 *** rouilj1 (~rouilj@64.241.37.140) has joined #portableapps 19:16:45 *** kai_62656_ (~A@66-189-154-211.dhcp.crsn.ca.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 19:17:40 *** kai_62656_ has quit (Client Quit) 19:18:28 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 19:42:56 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 19:56:44 *** SteveLamerton (~kvirc@99.83.125.91.rb4.adsl.brightview.com) has joined #portableapps 20:09:29 howdy SteveLamerton 20:09:31 welcome back 20:17:36 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 20:17:40 hola 20:18:37 hola John 20:19:05 gtg 20:19:06 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 20:22:50 Is there a doc/thread/URL that gives an indication of wht registry keys I can ignore keep when running regshot? 20:23:16 does that make sense? 20:24:20 It does. I don't think there is offhand 20:24:33 hmm ok thanks. 20:25:53 I couldn't find one but was hoping there was something hiding in a corner somewhere :-) 20:28:52 some are mentioned in the portable app creation guide, or whatever I should call it 20:29:00 Rapscallion: http://portableapps.com/node/14868 20:30:54 *** koriban (koriban@78.169.175.141) has joined #portableapps 20:31:04 Actually, those entries in that are incorrect 20:31:11 hehe 20:31:24 PAL uses 35 mb o_O 20:31:28 HKU\Random Numbers are to be ignored. 20:31:35 Um, for what? And where? 20:32:09 pchatportable.exe 20:32:57 other than HKU\GUID is everything else good in that doc? 20:33:11 check yourself use processhacker or something else 20:33:29 launchers are using excess memory 20:34:45 koriban: when for example firefox.exe (portable version) uses 10MB, FireFoxPortable.exe (the launcher) will be using 10MB + a little bit extra for the luancher itself 20:34:47 They're not really using it all. It gets swapped out. Generally, they sit there at around 10MB. But when sitting, Windows will swap that out as needed. The universal PA.c Launcher itself, which is at 1.0 Beta 1 at the moment... and we will soon switch all apps to, only uses about 1MB when idle 20:35:11 in other words, the memory a launcher uses is the memory it's base app uses + the memory it uses by itself 20:35:35 not really 20:35:42 not on process hacker 20:35:42 Actually, the current generation of launchers does use around 10MB itself. But, like I said, that is changing. 20:35:49 This is NOTHING new at all. And well know. 20:36:25 * koriban firefox 3.6.2 available 20:36:30 I never pay attention to how much they use :P 20:37:00 FFP 3.6.2 was already released in 16 languages this morning :-) 20:37:29 Well, they'll only be using about 1.02MB when idle moving forward. We just needed to call the Win API to free the RAM up. 20:37:33 in case you didn't open it yet 20:37:48 L8r all... have good afternoons/mornings etc ;-) 20:38:08 later 20:38:35 koriban: To see what I mean, try the Mixxx Portable Pre-Release here: http://portableapps.com/node/23093 20:39:05 IMO some applications doesn't need a babysitter launchers that stay resident 20:39:21 *** Rapscallion has quit (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~) 20:39:23 It's using a beta version of the new PA.c Launcher. So even though the launcher is actually bigger and more functional, it settles in to about 1.2MB once launched. 20:39:37 Nearly all of em do, since nearly all of them make SOME change on the local PC we need to clean up. 20:39:43 a launcher won't stay resident unless it IS needed koriban 20:39:59 For apps when not needed, the launcher closes afterwards. 20:40:17 I can't think of any offhand... Miranda maybe. Or Sumatra PDF. 20:40:51 sumatra doesn't need a launcher 20:41:15 but you want to keep the settings in Data folder 20:42:07 All apps do. Otherwise they 20:42:10 're not in PortableApps.com Format 20:42:25 :D 20:43:00 Our goal is to eliminate all the random zip formats that are all different, all have different file layouts, all have different ways of upgrading... and nearly all leave random bits behind or don't work fully portable (settings break, most recently used file lists breaks, etc) 20:43:28 yeah sucks 20:44:12 some apps don't even give you the option to set the settings dir 20:49:55 Is there a documentation for ini based launcher? 20:51:17 Yeah, if all apps did, then we wouldn't need to have the launchers stick around to move stuff back and forth. 20:51:22 Yeah, lemme get it for you... 20:51:37 PA.c Launcher 1.0 Beta 1: http://portableapps.com/node/22987 20:51:43 Docs: http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/launcher/help.html 20:52:00 Beta 2 should be out today with a couple changes. Going Unicode. Fixing a few bugs. 20:52:09 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit... D:) 20:53:59 http://codepad.org/GG1npPcM just trying... 20:54:25 what language is that? 20:54:38 lua 20:54:53 ah. 20:55:23 Don't bother re-inventing the wheel at the moment. We're gonna only be doing apps with the PA.c Launcher for the most part going forward. Makes maintenance a *LOT* easier. 20:56:06 I will use it myself 20:56:26 GIMP leaves behind quite a bit that needs cleaning up. And updating the plugins registry on moves makes startup a lot faster. 20:57:41 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]) 20:58:55 Then there are the xmlparse/tok file incompatibilities to check for. BG Window plugin if you want it (registry key). Secondary launches. Etc 20:59:22 It's really annoying how complicated an app that should be simple gets. That's one reason for the universal PA.c Launcher. 20:59:39 I need a few file and registry functions 21:00:01 Hmm... I can't remember if I'm updating the GIMP MRU. 21:00:57 Oh, yup 21:01:58 you wish every app was like winMd5Sum 21:02:12 I wish every publisher would do a PAF themselves :-P 21:02:48 We'll get there. Task Coach, FreeCommander, 2X, TeamViewer, etc all are now. A couple of the ones we do are gonna be handed off in the next few months. 21:11:34 *** dbdii407 has quit (Quit: Leaving) 21:22:14 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 21:22:47 *** SrgSiler|Sleep is now known as SergentSiler 21:23:55 *** SteveLamerton has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21:27:33 *** vf2nsr has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 21:31:08 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 21:43:42 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]) 21:58:51 *** koriban has parted #portableapps ("Leaving") 22:00:04 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a83-132-129-116.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 22:07:51 *** Scriptdaemon (~KennyW@139.182.11.192) has joined #portableapps 22:27:38 *** rouilj1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 22:36:35 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 22:36:42 *** Ben|Mac (~Bensawsom@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 22:36:53 *** Ben|Mac has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 22:39:59 *** BjornH has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:48:47 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 22:49:36 *** BjornH (~BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 22:50:15 *** gluxon (~gluxon@c-71-234-105-104.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 22:51:46 *** Spaceghost (libertad@unaffiliated/spaceghost) has joined #portableapps 22:57:33 *** BjornH has quit (Quit: Leaving) 23:02:46 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|AFK 23:32:32 dead tonight? 23:37:49 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23:38:23 *** pa_9096 (~43aef6af@gateway/web/freenode/x-gxqziuaofcjyoqxs) has joined #portableapps 23:42:37 pa_9096: can i help you? 23:43:59 *** kai_62656_ (~A@66-189-154-211.dhcp.crsn.ca.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 23:46:47 *** kai_62656 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 23:47:11 *** Scriptdaemon (~KennyW@139.182.11.192) has joined #portableapps 23:48:53 *** Oni-Neoxes (Oni-Neoxes@clsm-74-46-42-241-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) has joined #portableapps 23:48:56 I installed portableapps on my Lacie 8gb flash drive, but I'm having trouble installing some applications, especially Open Office and Gimp 23:48:57 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Changing host) 23:48:57 *** Oni-Neoxes (Oni-Neoxes@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 23:49:41 The installation starts, but after a while it slows down, and eventually I get an error message, something about not being able to install certain files. 23:49:53 Any ideas? 23:50:20 can you give me the error message ? 23:51:48 damn, error message just flew off my screen. I'll try installing again. 23:52:21 *** JacobMastel (~Miranda@75-95-186-183.mfd.clearwire-dns.net) has joined #portableapps 23:53:26 ah, installing VLC media player, error message says "Extract: error writing to file plus.png" 23:53:35 other error messages were similar 23:54:53 are you running other programs that access the flash drive ? 23:55:52 Just tried installing gimp again. error messages says, "Error opening file for writing: E:\PortableApps\GIMPPortable\App\gimp\bin\libpoppler-5.dll Click Abort to stop the installation, Retry to try again, or Ignore to skip this file." 23:55:54 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 23:56:36 Evening JOhn 23:56:37 PortableApps is running. Also the Windows 7 file manager 23:56:42 howdy 23:58:29 JohnTHaller, do you have an idea why the gimp installer is giving this error: "Error opening file for writing: E:\PortableApps\GIMPPortable\App\gimp\bin\libpoppler-5.dll Click Abort to stop the installation, Retry to try again, or Ignore to skip this file." ( pa_9096 ). 23:58:48 Something like that is usually one of a few things: 23:59:22 (1) Logical errors on the drive, often the result of an unsafe eject, physical device failure being eminent or a faulty USB plug causing corruption 23:59:40 (2) A process somehow locking that DLL open and read-only. This can usually be solved by a reboot 23:59:55 (3) An antivirus product preventing writing of that file due to a bad definitions update.