00:08:57 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]) 00:21:23 *** marlop|away is now known as marlop 00:26:35 *** pa_6894 (~db5ac73d@gateway/web/freenode/x-cdfqoiyqmtynxxzr) has joined #portableapps 00:29:54 Hi I'm trying to use Pidgin Portable at college. 00:30:00 I keep getting error messages for all my (Google, MSN, Facebook [XMPP] and IRC) accounts 00:30:58 pa_6894, probably you are behind a proxy or a firewall 00:31:06 try miranda 00:31:15 miranda won't help :p 00:31:24 it usually does 00:31:25 it makes no difference 00:31:29 really? 00:31:38 I think I am behind a proxy but the PA Proxy Get tool doesn't detect any 00:31:45 shouldn't, not if its behind a firewall 00:31:57 pa_6894: can you access anything with firefox portable? 00:32:03 websites and such? 00:32:18 The different error messages basically amount to connection timed out or unable to connect 00:32:30 Accessing IRC through FF Portable now 00:32:34 k 00:32:37 then there isn't a proxy 00:32:39 :) 00:32:57 you probably have a over zealous network administrator who block chat protocols 00:33:07 the only way around it is ssh or vpns 00:33:17 I can use web based clients 00:33:19 basically making your own proxy 00:33:27 yep, they are detected as html traffic 00:33:35 But I'm wanting to have all my accounts/logs/etc in one spot 00:33:36 not as irc or msn protocol traffic 00:33:41 i understand that 00:33:50 there's nothing i can really do 00:34:01 how to use ssh/vpns? 00:34:06 the only thing i can really say is check out ssh or vpns 00:34:11 wikipedia 00:34:14 or hak5 00:34:30 i've never had to set one up, though I did setup ssh on my home server 00:34:38 useless do to my upload speed being fail 00:35:02 ok thanks for the help. May be back for clarification. 00:35:07 no prob 00:35:10 feel free 00:35:37 as i said try miranda(at least msn will work as it has a option to use a http gateway) 00:35:48 nice :) 00:35:54 but it may be blocked 00:35:55 :p 00:36:10 for gmail, they do have inline chat where you check your mail 00:36:51 at my school they have an endian firewall, just miranda can connect 00:37:06 then, they also have a stupid sys admin 00:37:52 :p 00:38:16 buhaha 00:38:22 yes they are stupid, i had to warn them 3 times of a issue before they solve the problem 00:38:38 hehe 00:38:54 * OliverK is glad marlop took that the right way :) 00:39:46 but the firewall is solid(at least the last time i checked) ;D 00:46:04 *** pa_6894 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 00:49:08 *** excid3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 00:50:56 *** kai_62656 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00:51:46 *** excid3 (~chris@student213-175.cv.siue.edu) has joined #portableapps 00:52:09 *** ZachT|AFK is now known as ZachThibeau 00:52:37 *** kai_62656 (~A@unaffiliated/kai-62656/x-7765177) has joined #portableapps 01:11:26 *** marlop is now known as marlop|away 01:37:21 *** excid3|asus (~Chris_Oli@adsl-99-55-152-180.dsl.covlil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 01:42:31 OliverK: i could connect to irc in shool hence proxy/firewall 01:42:55 *despite 01:44:52 *** JohnTHaller|food is now known as JohnTHaller 01:46:37 howdy JohnTHaller 01:46:41 hola 01:46:56 whats new? 01:48:31 PMed you a new themes screenshot. It's a secondary option. 01:49:03 Just a mockup right now. Code test, actually. But switching to Delphi 2010 will let us use glass in some themes. 01:49:17 very nice 01:49:54 thanks. took a few hours to get it working properly. had to override a couple built in delphi functions. 01:50:03 really? oO 01:50:13 got it working explicitly, so it will not crash on XP, too 01:50:23 *** kai_62656 has quit (Quit: Leaving) 01:50:40 whoa, looks awesome :D 01:51:19 Gonna be a secondary option. We're still going with the new colormix themes as the default. It won't look like that on XP of course. Or Aero Basic. 01:51:29 oh i understand now, you had to override functions to get it to use aero properly 01:51:39 not to compile using delphi 2010 01:51:56 will it look the same as before on windows xp? 01:52:14 But it's an option. And it's moderately customizable with PNGs so it can be used with custom themes made by themers. We're working on a fake glass background for in cases where aero isn't on and 200/XP. 01:52:41 cool :) 01:53:35 It'll look like the new colromix by default. But it will include two colormix themes... one with a white app list background, one with a colored one... each of which support 15 built-in colors as well as the abillty to choose your own. In addition, the glass theme should be included (if we get it done in time), with no realy customization options... it just uses aero as dictaed by Windows with our custom PNG on it 01:53:49 And then a Classic theme that'll be the current themes in the 2.0 betas now. 01:53:55 5 colors for that 01:53:56 *** rmccue (~rmccue@CPE-121-208-9-72.bqzl1.cha.bigpond.net.au) has joined #portableapps 01:53:56 *** rmccue has quit (Changing host) 01:53:57 *** rmccue (~rmccue@unaffiliated/rmccue) has joined #portableapps 01:54:37 wow 01:54:39 hey rmccue whats up 01:54:46 The roof 01:54:55 theming really is a "magnitude" better than in the old menu in 2.0 :) 01:55:02 yeah... not what I meant but ok... 01:55:24 oh god, it's rmccue 01:55:32 how are you gentleman? 01:56:41 All my base are belong to you? 01:57:33 no just the burritacos 01:57:34 :P 02:00:34 :D 02:06:11 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 02:06:11 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 02:06:29 howdy ChrisMorgan 02:06:35 Hey ZachThibeau 02:07:06 now all we need is horusofoz to have our aussie crowd in full force :P 02:07:50 ZachThibeau, out of the entire 2 aussies? 02:07:50 :p 02:08:04 Chazz, you forget rmccue 02:08:15 Then so did Zach. :P 02:08:18 er 02:08:18 no 02:08:19 nvm 02:08:23 * Chazz reads nicklist 02:08:24 :P 02:08:32 * Chazz hides his fail with kittens 02:09:01 I knew ryan was here and then Chris joined and then I said all we need is horusoz to complete the aussie trio :) 02:09:18 rmccue: How come you're not OPed? 02:09:19 There have been other Australians at times. 02:09:20 oops I misspelled horosofoz's name there :P 02:09:41 My head would hurt from being upsidedown all the time. 02:09:44 out of the ones I know you 3 are the ones I know the most that are online most of the time 02:09:52 JohnTHaller: I removed the +O, so people stop bugging me when I'm not here. :P 02:09:58 Heh 02:10:09 JohnTHaller, it's you lot that are upside down - remember the magnetic poles are upside down etc. and so South is actually up? 02:10:09 How's it going? 02:10:19 JohnTHaller: Pretty well. Yourself? 02:10:29 Not bad. Crazy busy with the 2.0 leadup. 02:10:38 FYI, I don't plan on being very active in here today or tomorrow and probably not Wednesday either as I've got a decent-sized MTH1030 assignment due on Wednesday which I... haven't started on. It's all PAL's fault, of course :P 02:11:16 ChrisMorgan: Technically, we're all standing up straight, as "down" points to the centre of gravity. :P 02:11:18 man minigtk is extremely hard to work with :/ 02:11:41 On Saturday I got /heaps/ done on the PAL manual. Still not up to the help.html level but getting there quickly. I didn't commit it though. 02:11:51 Ah nive. 02:11:52 nice 02:12:22 And also lots of extra things not in before... more details on making Java applications portable, Qt apps too 02:12:29 Any chance we can get through a beta soon that fixes the multi-instance, EXE restart, multi-EXE issue before then? Is it already fixed on tip... want me to do a beta 3 post? 02:12:52 Have you (or anyone) tested it to make sure it does fix it? 02:13:10 Oh yeah, I should get that Bulgarian translation in too. 02:13:13 Nope, not yet., Too busy on new thingies. Updater unicode today. ANd new theme switcher. 02:13:28 Oh, email it over. I'm converting em all to UTF16-LE now anyway 02:13:41 It's in Loc. Disc. forum 02:13:47 Oh ok 02:14:09 And I moved some of the stuff in topics on building PAL, debugging etc. into an "advanced" section so it should be better for beginners. 02:14:15 That PM I sent is the new aero theme. Gonna add it in as an option. It's just a mockup right now, we haven't done the actual artwork to put on the glass 02:14:24 ChrisMorgan: Good move 02:14:45 Yeah, it looks good. 02:15:50 In a way it'd be good if you could make the X and eject buttons look just like the normal top-of-frame X and maximize buttons, but at the bottom. But that's nigh on impossible so I won't expect it :P 02:15:53 Got the code for it rendering properly. Not crashing on XP or when aero is disabled. We're stikcing with the colormix themes as the default, still, since lots of people are on XP and then the menu will look the same on every PC you move to. 02:16:40 I can't get em right at the edge without going further into Delphi override functions. I did enough just getting glass working properly for a menu (since it's not designed to work as a borderless, titlebar-less form) 02:17:09 Sure. And I don't think you can move about where the X button goes. Just on or off. 02:18:12 Correct. 02:22:24 rmccue: You have any interest in a preview of what's coming out this week via PM? 02:22:45 JohnTHaller: Not sure if I'll have time. 02:22:49 ok 02:24:18 Also, I'm packaging up 1.6.1 now. It fixes the tray bug of showing and hiding consistently and has updated translations. It's planned to be the last Win9x-compatible release. 02:27:10 yay :) 02:27:33 shouldn't the unicode version work with Microsoft's Compatibility Layer for Unicode? 02:27:44 Nope. Most new stuff doesn't. 02:28:11 Even if it does there are other features which don't work properly on 98 02:29:32 hm ok, i just wondered 02:29:56 It may work with KernelEx installed, but we won't be supporting it. 02:30:17 You're essentially pulling 98 apart to get it to work with things that are just plain newer than it. 02:30:23 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 02:30:26 You'd do better to install Linux and Wine. 02:30:56 Or Win2K, which would be faster 02:31:19 Than 98 or Wine? 02:31:37 Linux + Wine on an old box would be a lot slower than Win2K 02:31:50 Win2K will be a bit slower than 98.. but if you add a bit of RAM it should be ok 02:36:31 Hey! I just found http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Get_all_entries_in_section_of_INI_file which shows what is probably a better way of doing ForEachINIPair. 02:36:50 a move from windows to linux is not something trivial ChrisMorgan 02:36:59 I trhought you knew about that and had decided ForEachINIPair was better/faster/stronger 02:37:02 No. But it's a good thing to do :-) 02:37:21 No, I didn't know about it. It didn't occur to me that there was probably a shell API call for it until about 5 minutes ago. 02:37:39 This is worthwhile testing. 02:38:06 I get the API call can handle either UTF8 or UTF16LE 02:38:11 I expect that it would provide more consistent Unicode handling than using the FileRead stuff. And that's the biggest issue currently. 02:38:34 Yeah. I say give it a try. I'm 98% sure by looking at it that it'll solve that. 02:38:44 Looks like it should. 02:39:03 I think i called the A version in Delphi at some point... or researched it to call it. I think it was for the runonstart and runonexit stuff i'm adding in. 02:39:47 I've even got an idea that this could handle non-INI types: so instead of "1=blah\blah\blah" we could do just "blah\blah\blah" (which I've thought of at times). What do you reckon, John? Some of them are just straight N=* lines and getting rid of the N would make it neater. 02:40:03 It should handle everything that Windows does INI-wise... which is everything from straight Ansi to UTF16LE as I found out with Delphi 2010. 02:41:02 MSDN on GetPrivateProfileSection: "Note This function is provided only for compatibility with 16-bit applications written for Windows. Applications should store initialization information in the registry." 02:41:17 Bah. How silly. Wonder why they bothered saying that. 02:41:29 Yeah, tons of apps still use INIs 02:41:47 I think I'd say most applications don't use the registry for settings. 02:42:05 Most do. We just don't portablize a lot of those. 02:44:01 When I next get a chance I'll pull the guts out of that GetSection script. 02:44:43 The only slight difficulty is the lstrlenA call. Making sure that works properly with A and W providing the right results etc. may be interesting. 02:45:33 why do you need a length? 02:45:58 That's how that function does it - as part of turning a buffer into a string NSIS can cope with, I gather. 02:46:28 Wait... I see what it is. 02:46:37 oh yes. Have to call the W version of it. 02:46:39 The last time the buffer length is 0 and so that's the stop signal. 02:46:48 So A would really be fine... 02:47:16 But I think it's one of those C functions which behave strangely with having a /real/ lstrlen function minus A/W rather than just redirecting. 02:47:19 I learned quite a bit about the diffs between all the strlen stuff in unicode vs ansi in my research 02:47:34 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 02:48:09 And that ProcFunc string length thing has opened my eyes to the handling of characters versus WCHARs (don't think it comes into it this time but it'll need testing to make sure the System::Alloc works as expected) 02:49:29 And that 1024 should be ${NSIS_MAX_STRLEN} 02:50:25 Actually I spy a problem with this. 02:51:05 ChrisMorgan: did you notice the handling of ini-files is dependant on the application, eg Qt Apllications handle Ini-Files differently 02:51:16 It's only going to cope with the first ${NSIS_MAX_STRLEN} characters of the section. While 4K (8K/2 for UTF-16LE) should be fine it /might/ not be. 02:51:33 sar3th, what do you mean? What do Qt apps do differently with them? 02:52:37 they parse tem differently, let me find an example quickly 02:53:31 ChrisMorgan: see http://sar3th.pastebin.com/t4DPdXcH 02:55:25 taken from the current sdk's documentation 02:55:28 sar3th, I don't think that should affect how PAL handles them at all 02:55:58 i though PAL can be used to search and replace in an ini-file if necessary 02:56:10 what if that ini-file is in qt format and you have to adapt the location? 02:56:11 Yes. 02:56:31 will you just replace the drive letter instead of the whole path? 02:56:31 That just means that the developer has to be careful about what they do to the file 02:56:45 :7 k 02:56:47 *:/ 02:56:52 That's up to the developer: they can take just the drive letter if they want (X) 02:57:00 And wrap it up in whatever characters they like 02:57:22 So file:///%PAL:DriveLetter%/ would find file:///X/ 02:58:08 eh 02:58:17 makes more sense then what i was coming up with 02:58:25 What was that? 02:58:56 how the hell you figured on replaceing driver letter e without messing everything else up! 02:59:00 Sorry, got to go to a lecture now, bye. I'll try to remember to read the logs when I get back in an hours time 02:59:23 OliverK, simple: on first run LastDrive gets set to Drive and so find=replace and so the replacement is skipped 02:59:35 "E" 02:59:43 you're finding and replacing "E" :p 02:59:56 If you do that, that's your fault :-) 03:00:01 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Quit messages are inane.) 03:00:04 i know better 03:00:10 i've been coding longer then that 03:08:57 *** Spaceghost has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 03:16:05 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]) 03:16:51 *** Spaceghost (libertad@unaffiliated/spaceghost) has joined #portableapps 03:21:46 *** excid3|asus has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 03:24:28 http://imgur.com/KbMOC.jpg 03:26:01 *** JohnTHaller1 (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 03:26:20 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 03:26:39 Iam Back lol 03:28:16 *** SrgSiler|AFK is now known as SrgSiler|Sleep 03:30:10 *** JohnTHaller has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 03:30:24 *** vf2nsr has quit (Client Quit) 03:45:32 *** Spaceghost has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03:50:42 *** excid3|asus (~Chris_Oli@adsl-99-55-152-180.dsl.covlil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 04:02:04 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 04:02:05 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 04:04:30 OliverK, what do you mean, you know better? 04:04:56 i know better then to do a silly thing like that 04:05:02 Good :-) 04:05:53 bah 04:06:36 *** OliverK has parted #portableapps ("so long and thanks . . . for all the fish") 04:36:28 Hmm... I see what people meant by an issue with fonts in OpenOffice.org with formulae. 04:36:58 Known issue will be fixed in Rev 2 04:37:17 Now I've just got to work out how to fix it temporarily 04:39:25 Better... still doesn't look right as this machine doesn't have ClearType. :-( 04:40:20 Ew 04:40:25 *** JohnTHaller1 is now known as JohnTHaller 04:40:43 It does look much worse than I think it should. But the brackets look like brackets rather than Chinese characters once more. 04:47:01 OpenSymbol isn't the best-designed font. 04:58:42 It all looks /so/ much better under Linux. 04:59:24 *** gringoloco (~5f625a95@gateway/web/freenode/x-sgzcsetgvogdixqn) has joined #portableapps 05:00:02 hello 05:00:08 Hey gringoloco 05:00:10 hi gringoloco 05:01:14 @ChrisMorgan:I am just wondering now, do you know about the EnumIni plug-in 05:01:19 ? 05:01:21 No 05:01:37 And I don't think I really want to. I like to avoid plug-ins wherever possible and reasonable. :-) 05:03:24 Ok just wanted to let you know, it's been sitting there for ages, on the Unicode NSIS development forum topic 05:03:45 Hmm. What can it do? 05:05:02 Just iterate through an INI section? 05:05:36 It reads the entries & values of a given section to the stack! I believe it's a pretty small plug-in ! 05:05:56 I imagine it's using kernel32::GetPrivateProfileSection. 05:06:02 Just like I'm now playing with. 05:06:11 no mather they are utf-16 or ansi (I think) 05:07:28 Yes, but what you are playing with, has the option to call a function after each value is read ! 05:07:53 I don't like that structure. I like it inline, LogicLib style :-) 05:08:01 I've just about got the drive picker working properly for all cases (last option is "Select a custom location" and brings up the standard install location form): http://portableapps.com/temp/installerdrive.png 05:08:24 Oooo! 05:08:42 It'll auto-select a drive that already has it as well (as it did in this case) 05:09:53 PORTABLEAPP shows up in all caps since it is a FAT32 drive. I'm gonna add in a check for autorun.inf as well, I think. We'll see if it bogs down on CDs and such. 05:10:04 Oh wait, it won't since I exclude them. 05:10:10 The only thing I'm concerned about with using GetPrivateProfileSection is that we'll get an 8K (4K for Unicode files) character limit in each section. 05:10:51 There's a physical limit in the function of 32K but due to NSIS_MAX_STRLEN we'll be limited more. 05:11:09 This limit is avoided with my current file reading method. 05:12:40 4k should do you fine, should be a fair amount of PAL options . 05:12:57 This is for things like FilesMove and DirectoriesMove. 05:13:03 It should be fine. 05:15:23 Anyway let me know, if you do decide to use the plug-in. I should still give it a ones over. 05:15:44 It's remotely possible I'll look at its source... I dare say I won't get round to it though. 05:15:55 How's FTP going? I saw you'd put up a few things with it. 05:17:28 Two things, or I am doing something wrong or it's my conection. 05:18:34 Every time I want to upload some thing, FileZilla gets half way, and then decides it will start all over again .... 05:18:55 It does that sometimes when there's a bad connection. 05:19:12 The command-line tool 'ftp' is extremely reliable. I'd recommend it. 05:19:23 But even if it gets to 100%, it just starts over, like 5 or 6 times. 05:19:46 What's it called, the command-line tool ? 05:19:48 It decides it got lost somewhere... 05:19:50 'ftp' 05:21:04 *** OliverK (~WifiWomba@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 05:21:37 Arghh, it's monday morning over here, have to go to work .... 05:21:42 Bye 05:21:53 its monday morning here as well 05:22:25 In about 20 min, but just hate monday mornings. 05:22:41 mondays universally bite 05:22:57 however, if we got rid of mondays, then whatever we replaced it with would suck! 05:23:06 better to stick with mondays sucking 05:23:52 yup 05:23:53 hey ChrisMorgan, question 05:24:14 otherwise tuesday (which already suck) would doubly suck 05:25:17 I don't see what's wrong with any of the days :-0 05:25:20 s/0/)/ 05:25:33 then /me thinks chrismorgan has no life 05:25:35 muhahah 05:25:42 Rubbidge :-) 05:27:06 Anyhow, what be your queschun? 05:27:15 are you a question everywhere? 05:27:19 or just on the forums :p 05:27:33 I am a Christian and a developer and moderator here. 05:27:35 :) 05:27:55 Your question is not making sense to me. 05:28:00 Is it one? 05:28:05 your sentence 05:28:15 it says "I am a Christian and a developer and moderator here." 05:28:19 Correct. 05:28:28 here implies on the forums, but doesn't imply everywhere else 05:28:53 That is grammatically correct, indicating that I am a Christian (everywhere) and here, a developer and moderator. 05:29:05 * OliverK doubts that 05:29:13 If it were all three only here the first instance of "and" would become a comma. 05:29:26 semi colon 05:29:37 but at any rate it could be said better 05:29:48 confuses us backwoods midwestern country types 05:29:56 It could be put with a semi-colon instead of the "and" but I think the "and" is more grammatically correct. 05:30:10 * OliverK is not a english major 05:30:15 and i still tihnk its wrong 05:30:16 but whatever 05:30:23 * OliverK won't stop ChrisMorgan 05:30:38 :-) 05:32:02 You two mind taking a look at a logo update? 05:32:13 Sure 05:32:18 you bet 05:32:23 :D 05:32:28 to much work :p 05:32:32 I definately mind it 05:32:33 This having fizzled out, maybe we'll find something to disagree on there ;-) 05:32:34 It's not quite finished. The theme is only partially done. The eject and close buttons in particular are more placeholders. 05:32:37 hehe 05:32:51 lol, lemme see it. 05:32:56 PMed 05:33:01 thanks 05:33:27 I reckon it looks too dark (the theme). I like the current one more. 05:33:29 dark 05:33:36 i like it this way 05:33:38 * OliverK likes it kinda 05:33:38 As for the logo... hmm. It's just... different. 05:33:52 i wouldn't mind having a copy myself :) 05:33:59 We're looking at the logo people... not the theme :-P 05:34:03 lol 05:34:07 is there a better picture? 05:34:23 it looks kinda pixelish to me 05:34:28 but neat 05:34:32 i like the bas copy 05:34:33 better how? We're starting with the menu. The top part is about done, actually. That's gonna be the new look of it all. 05:34:40 bas? 05:34:53 i don't know what I meant to type 05:34:55 lemme think 05:35:04 I think I prefer the current "PortableApps.com" text; it looks a bit streaky in the middle with the metalish effect. 05:35:05 heh 05:35:06 maybe I meant to say base idea 05:35:07 that sounds right 05:35:22 yeah, the metalish looks kinda streaky on the text 05:35:33 if there was more (or larger text) it might look okay 05:35:40 And the logo looks a bit crystalish. I like the... differentish sort of contrast on the current logo. 05:35:59 The new slogan text looks better than the old. 05:36:33 Here is current for comparison: http://portableapps.com/files/images/screenshots/platform1.6.png 05:36:36 And which is it, ® or ™? 05:37:24 Ok reload the new one... small change/refinement. 05:37:34 better 05:37:36 i like that 05:37:44 reminds me of a steel ball :) 05:37:54 not so pixelized\crystalized\whatever 05:37:55 Slightly less sheen. Supposed to look metal-ish, though. 05:38:06 Yeah, I phrased it as it looked a little over-exposed. 05:38:38 It's a little more red now, too 05:38:45 I think all up I prefer the current one. The only thing I think I prefer on the new one is the "Your digital life..." bit but I'm not sure how it'd look on the old.. 05:38:51 Our designer and I are working off dropbox, so I can see his updates live 05:39:20 drop the bar in the middle of the "portableapps.com" 05:39:24 looks goofy :p 05:39:26 The glow at the bottom of the new logo just doesn't feel right 05:39:27 ") 05:39:28 :) 05:39:36 * OliverK likes the glow 05:39:42 this one looks nice 05:39:54 JohnTHaller: why does pnotes have the camstudio icon? 05:39:57 I reckon it makes the logo feel black and white where before it had a bit of colour in it. 05:43:43 ok reload again. PA.c line is less metallic and more just white now 05:44:02 looks good 05:44:04 i like it 05:44:40 That's better 05:44:50 The glow under the logo has grown though... 05:44:53 *** gringoloco has quit (Quit: Page closed) 05:44:56 under/in 05:47:55 ok reload... glow turned back down on the bottom of the icon 05:48:40 And the bar on the text back on too! 05:49:09 Yeah, but pulled back a bit. 05:49:40 still not digging it? OliverK, sar3th? 05:49:43 I reckon it all looks fine as far as the logo's concerned. I /think/ It'll look better like that in the tray on XP with Blue; probably on Vista (Black) too. 05:49:58 JohnTHaller: i said it looked good awhile ago :p 05:50:05 The old one looks kind... flat... on Win7 05:50:09 [00:39] OliverK: this one looks nice 05:50:12 :) 05:50:27 i like the dark tone of it 05:50:28 I was wondering about that 05:50:30 We've been tweaking :-P Any opinions on the subtle line through PA.c? 05:50:44 don't care for it 05:50:48 your choice though 05:50:54 as always :p 05:51:09 * OliverK doens't have his win 7 laptop on to look 05:51:15 I think the logo's fine. I just reckon that it's ending up a bit black-and-white. 05:51:21 hehe 05:51:23 looks fine to me 05:51:39 i just cleaned my monitor this morning or the other day so colors are nice and sharp :) 05:52:01 We were talking about the icon appearing in the taskbar in Win7. The old one looks kinda flat there 05:52:08 It would. 05:52:15 i think it will fit in 05:52:16 The new one would look much better there. 05:52:46 I'd just like it with a tinge of colour. Not sure if that can be arranged in a nice way though. 05:53:12 we're trying to make it more basic, so it can go with all themes. 05:53:24 Hmm... good point 05:53:45 The problem with the things I said before is that the more I stare at it the more I like it :P 05:54:24 I'm afraid the same doesn't go for the theme though. But we're not talking about that :D 05:54:37 I know. same here. The first time I saw it I was like, ow... no way... too metally sharpish. But now I like it. 05:54:49 Exactly 05:55:24 still hate the line through PA.c? 05:55:27 And the little bit (when it's more it doesn't as much) of glow gives the arrow a z-index. 05:55:30 yeah 05:55:45 The issue is that the font is kinda big and flat. So we're trying to give it some dimension. We don't really have the time to swap the font for a new one. 05:55:47 Not hate. It's dulling on me too, but I still think it'd be better toned down more. 05:56:07 i just don't like the strip through the middle 05:56:09 There's the possibility of a slight grey at the top down to white? 05:56:11 its not a skunk :p 05:56:23 That might go with the general red background fade? 05:56:27 I just suggested that about a minute ago... and it's our next step, ChrisMorgan 05:56:43 "What about a super-subtle gradient from white at the bottom to a hair of gray off-white at the top?" 05:56:44 bed time nao 05:56:51 *** OliverK has quit (Quit: so long and thanks for all the fish) 05:57:00 home time nao 05:57:07 In a few minutes anyway 05:57:36 I need sleep soon. 2am 05:57:38 Possibly also a slightly radial gradient so that it's a bit more grey in the top left than towards the right 05:57:58 I think we're all going to crash :-) 06:00:04 Bye, I'm heading off now. 06:00:26 ok reload again 06:00:28 awww 06:00:29 So: a bit of assignment done, new ForEachINIPair drafted and ready for testing 06:00:35 OK, waiting for a minute 06:00:37 Ah nice 06:00:48 Reload it. The gray is moved up top as a gradient. 06:01:40 I'm just trying to work out if it's just me or if there's no change... 06:01:41 *** excid3|asus has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 06:02:23 And I think my answer is it didn't change at all 06:02:34 i like it like this :) 06:02:37 ChrisMorgan: reload? 06:02:50 I did, the bar is still there 06:02:57 It's a gradient now... or should be 06:03:07 *** excid3|asus (~Chris_Oli@adsl-99-55-152-180.dsl.covlil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 06:03:09 still looks like a line to me, though... and less subtle 06:03:48 Doesn't appear to have changed at all insofar as I can tell at high-contrast level (i.e. 170 degrees vertical to monitor) 06:04:41 Sorry, I really need to go now. 06:04:52 no worries. thanks man 06:05:03 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Quit messages are inane.) 06:05:06 *** taneth111 (~TaffinFox@CPE-124-184-233-234.lns7.cht.bigpond.net.au) has joined #portableapps 06:11:28 *** Guest92018 has quit (*.net *.split) 06:11:28 *** Bensawsome has quit (*.net *.split) 06:11:28 *** SrgSiler|Sleep has quit (*.net *.split) 06:11:28 *** Suiseiseki has quit (*.net *.split) 06:11:31 *** Nitrox_2 has quit (*.net *.split) 06:20:24 *** excid3|asus has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06:30:00 *** Guest92018 (dabomb69@chronos.spartairc.co.cc) has joined #portableapps 06:30:01 *** Bensawsome (~Bensawsom@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 06:30:01 *** SrgSiler|Sleep (~Kyle@unaffiliated/sergentsiler) has joined #portableapps 06:30:01 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 06:30:01 *** Nitrox_2 (nitrox@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-earagrxuszhgoltp) has joined #portableapps 06:30:06 Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.bensawsome.com/ircstats 06:41:24 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 07:09:19 *** Nitrox_2 has parted #portableapps (None) 07:41:51 *** rmccue has quit (Quit: The general rule on about people on IRC seems to be "Attractive, single, mentally stable: choose two") 08:06:05 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 09:26:27 *** Twinkletoes|W (~chatzilla@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 09:52:00 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 10:19:55 *** Simeon (~Itunes@dslb-092-075-224-177.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #portableapps 10:20:42 *** Simeon has quit (Client Quit) 10:43:10 *** Usbtastic (~Usbtastic@210.193.201.86) has joined #portableapps 10:44:37 hello, i have been away for a while and was wondering if there has been any beta\preview release of the PortableApps Updater? 10:46:07 still in alpha I see 10:46:30 thanks. have you a link to download it? 10:47:30 http://portableapps.com/node/12722 10:48:31 oh, that looks like a very old one from 2008. 10:51:12 oh wow 10:51:16 just noticed that 10:52:07 no worries. i'll assume there's been no recent release. 10:56:00 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit... D:) 11:00:50 *** Simeon (~simeon@dslb-092-075-224-177.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #portableapps 11:06:00 hi all 11:07:02 hiya. 11:08:54 hi taneth111 11:25:14 ZachThibeau are you here? 11:29:28 *** Usbtastic has parted #portableapps (None) 11:49:58 *** Chazz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 12:08:45 *** rouilj1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 12:12:26 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@188.89.148.148) has joined #portableapps 12:12:33 MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable, and he has a website at http://mmfail.co.cc/ 12:12:35 *** MaienM has quit (Changing host) 12:12:35 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 12:12:38 ... 12:26:28 *** pa_0637 (~d421cc2c@gateway/web/freenode/x-vkuldshbbyfoaxuf) has joined #portableapps 12:32:41 *** pa_0637 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 12:51:18 *** taneth111 has quit (Quit: BYE.) 13:43:10 *** rouilj (~rouilj@static-72-72-80-24.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 15:01:51 *** dboki89 (~d5c6db41@gateway/web/freenode/x-cfvncjpfptexmmlx) has joined #portableapps 15:02:18 SPAM at: http://portableapps.com/news/2007-03-20_-_sumatra_pdf_portable_0.5#comment-146130 15:04:52 SPAM No.2 at: http://portableapps.com/node/23151 (Darkbee "marked" it as such already) 15:06:30 Bye 15:06:43 *** dboki89 has quit (Client Quit) 15:12:01 *** Simeon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 15:32:18 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 15:45:17 *** SteveLamerton (~kvirc@164.126.gr5.adsl.brightview.com) has joined #portableapps 16:09:17 *** SteveLamerton has quit () 16:21:42 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 16:22:45 *** vf2nsr has quit (Client Quit) 16:37:20 *** hsnopi (~c688a202@gateway/web/freenode/x-tgzibpvkbkbrwsdz) has joined #portableapps 16:37:24 *** rouilj has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 16:37:52 Hello all. Got XAMPP up and running and everything is super awesome. Any reccommendations on a good way to password protect the entire drive? 16:41:23 *** marlop|away is now known as marlop 16:51:49 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 16:52:45 *** hsnopi has quit (Quit: Page closed) 16:54:15 *** vf2nsr has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 17:10:39 *** marlop is now known as marlop|away 17:21:49 *** MaienM has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 17:33:28 *** kai_62656 (~A@unaffiliated/kai-62656/x-7765177) has joined #portableapps 18:05:05 *** rouilj (~rouilj@pool-74-104-157-242.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 18:41:05 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a83-132-129-116.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 18:45:57 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 19:06:19 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 19:17:24 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 19:45:46 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 20:02:38 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]) 20:17:39 *** qwertymodo (~Ben@oit-142-36.OIT.EDU) has joined #portableapps 20:19:04 *** TheWarden (thewarden@venhost.venmarces.com) has joined #portableapps 20:49:29 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 21:29:10 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 21:33:06 *** marlop|away is now known as marlop 21:37:08 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]) 21:55:13 *** TheWarden_ (thewarden@venhost.venmarces.com) has joined #portableapps 21:58:08 *** TheWarden has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 21:58:17 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 22:02:46 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 22:06:35 *** SrgSiler|Sleep is now known as SergentSiler 22:08:27 *** TheWarden_ has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]) 22:08:33 *** marlop is now known as marlop|dinner 22:21:36 *** win7uz0r (~3e8cf221@gateway/web/freenode/x-pimpmzmnyztipznl) has joined #portableapps 22:22:43 hey everybody 22:23:15 i've recently moved to win7 from win xp and now I have a problem with setting firefox portable as a default browser 22:23:47 when I was on XP I used small utility for that, but it doesn't work on win7 :( 22:23:48 please describe it win7uz0r 22:24:36 ok, here is the problem: 1. I have win7 2. I use portable firefox 3. I can not set firefoxportable to be default browser 22:25:23 if I try to make it default right from firefox - it makes firefox.exe default browser, not firefoxportable.exe 22:25:45 simply changing firefox.exe to firefoxportable.exe in file associations - is wrong 22:27:21 I used this utility: http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/how-to-set-firefox-portable-as-the-default-browser-in-windows-xp/ 22:27:44 win7uz0r: setting firefoxportable.exe is the way to do it...though it's not the most graceful way 22:28:11 oh sh1t, I just saw a similar topic corresponding to vista on that site 22:28:16 because when you set it as the default browser, and windows uses the file association to launch the browser, it just passes the info via CLI and the PortableApps.com launcher picks it up 22:28:19 seems like they already got a decision 22:28:48 this trick didn't work on XP 22:28:55 i mean the one u describe 22:29:04 that's all that utility did. 22:29:18 because there should be something like "firefoxportable.exe %1@ 22:29:21 because there should be something like "firefoxportable.exe %1" 22:29:31 sorry for double posting 22:33:08 *** marlop|dinner is now known as marlop 22:38:17 *** win7uz0r has quit (Quit: Page closed) 22:42:49 *** z3uS has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 22:44:19 *** Scriptdaemon (~KennyW@cpe-76-83-207-236.dc.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 22:44:43 *** z3uS (~z3us@plzhalp.us) has joined #portableapps 22:50:01 hola Scriptdaemon 22:50:14 'Ello. 22:50:23 How was your weekend? 22:50:26 compiling gtk from source is a pain -_- 22:50:56 I can imagine. lol 22:51:15 Blood Frontier is almost ready for a first DT. :) 22:51:52 I updated my gcc version in mingw to 4.5.0 and the current gtk library I have from gtk.org isn't compatible with that gcc so I have to recompile from source to make it compatible 22:52:24 Ah. 22:52:25 but my gtk will be 2.20 which isn't available on windows atm :P so in a sense I'm getting a leg up on getting it out for PChat 22:53:02 Is the tray icon fixed in GTK yet? =P 22:53:10 nope 22:53:20 Is it only a problem in Windows? 22:53:57 iirc yes, but maybe once I update to gtk 2.20 it may resolve itself since gtk 2.20 removes all depreciated variables etc 22:53:59 *** win7uz0r (~3e8cf221@gateway/web/freenode/x-cweqntjyhdxaugdf) has joined #portableapps 22:54:16 just wanted to say that the prog worked. Now I'm happy. 22:54:31 http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/register-firefox-portable-with-default-programs-in-vista/ 22:54:32 Hopefully, ZachThibeau. 22:54:39 *** win7uz0r has quit (Client Quit) 22:58:20 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit... D:) 22:58:31 I was thinking of for PChat wxwidgets using c++0x, I saw some of the coding style of it and it's much cleaner than the current c++ standard c99/c98 22:59:20 Yeah, it looks awesome. Do they have anything to compile it yet though? 22:59:39 plus less lines of code and yeah the current gcc I just compiled support it 22:59:49 Awesome. 23:00:35 It had closures and lambda functions if I recall correctly, right? 23:00:38 *** Chazz (~rewt@bb-183-006.omnitelcom.com) has joined #portableapps 23:00:38 *** Chazz has quit (Excess Flood) 23:00:40 Chazz is the guy who failed at developing stuff. :D 23:00:51 *** Chazz (~rewt@bb-183-006.omnitelcom.com) has joined #portableapps 23:00:53 ... 23:00:56 I don't remember for sure 23:01:06 *** Chazz is now known as Guest72277 23:15:47 *** dbdii407 (~dbdii407@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 23:21:10 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|AFK 23:24:34 *** rmccue (~rmccue@unaffiliated/rmccue) has joined #portableapps 23:44:19 hola rmccue 23:44:27 * rmccue waves 23:45:01 * ZachThibeau grumbles at ciaro not compiling properly without finding pixman properly 23:46:27 gtk compiling FTL 23:46:49 taking me nearly 2 hours to almost complete the compile as I had to compile the deps first >_< 23:46:52 hello rmccue 23:47:03 * rmccue waves again 23:47:17 * Gizmokid2005 waves back 23:47:21 *** ptmb has quit (Quit: Bye) 23:48:27 FINALLY Cairo has now been built 23:49:08 now for the coup de grace gtk 2.20 ala custom mingw build