00:24:47 *** marlop is now known as marlop|away 00:43:51 Interesting fact: people sell OpenOffice on eBay. 00:44:40 lol... 00:46:42 *** Guest72277 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:46:45 *** Guest72277 (~rewt@bb-183-006.omnitelcom.com) has joined #portableapps 00:46:45 *** Guest72277 has quit (Excess Flood) 00:47:04 *** Guest72277 (~rewt@bb-183-006.omnitelcom.com) has joined #portableapps 00:49:42 probably claim that they only selling hte blank cd and time to put it on it? 00:50:34 would be like me selling flash drives with free softwar eon it I suppose? 00:50:45 NOT that I would 00:51:45 As far as I know, you can sell flash drives with oss apps on it as long as you are charging for the flash drive supply ONLY and not for the apps 00:52:14 http://cgi.ebay.com.au/OpenOffice-3-MS-Office-Compatible-Suite_W0QQitemZ370230012358QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_software?hash=item56336da9c6#ht_1417wt_939 00:52:16 correct that is what I mean I figure that how they get away with selling open office? 00:52:41 I think the price is for the CD. 00:54:25 me too 00:57:26 lol. He's sold 11 copies. 01:05:43 that is 11 more than I would have bough tlol 01:06:01 bought lol 01:11:52 I wonder if he just put the installer on there 01:11:58 or if he actually installed it to it... 01:12:43 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 01:12:44 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 01:15:24 i think he put the installer on it 01:15:37 it's not of any importance though :P 01:15:53 no, just curious 01:16:09 buy one :P 01:16:10 *** Guest72277 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 01:16:23 It happens. And it's more than just OpenOffice.org. 01:17:12 but of course 01:17:17 but they aren't doing anything wrong. 01:20:18 *** marlop|away is now known as marlop 01:21:25 no they are not 01:21:44 probably be worth it to buy if someone has a dialup connection 01:22:23 That's probably what he's counting on. 01:23:02 *** marlop is now known as marlop|away 01:23:21 it's helpful for those people who want it on a disc but don't want to buy a bunch as well 01:23:35 They do tend to advertise it slightly dishonestly. 01:23:56 true. 01:24:02 yes 01:25:15 especially with that open office pic 01:33:18 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 01:33:24 hola 01:33:41 Hey JohnTHaller 01:33:59 hi ChrisMorgan, schedule ease up a bit 01:34:01 ? 01:34:43 Not really, working away on my MTH1030 project. 01:34:47 Ah ok 01:35:02 What's your schedule like this week? 01:35:38 After I've got this project done it's fairly empty. Thursday I only have a two-hour lab... in which I have absolutely nothing to do. 01:35:50 Having done it last week. 01:36:02 I'm going to post Speccy Portable soon. ChrisMorgan (or someone familiar with the pa.c launcher), when you're ever not busy, could you check to make sure I'm backing up the registry settings correctly? (The portable build is broken in that it's not actually portable yet.) 01:36:36 Friday we have an Easter service at our church so I won't be available in the morning at all. 01:37:39 ChrisMorgan: What's your feel for when we can do Beta 3, which will hopefully be release-worthy (barring bugs)? I'd like to get PA.c Launcher in line for the 2.0 launch. I'm revving everything basically. 01:38:18 Also, JohnTHaller, I think Revo Uninstaller should be good to go. 01:38:28 Portable* 01:38:33 I need to test this kernel32 ReadPrivateProfileSectionThingy call for ForEachINIPair to make sure it's all right. 01:39:20 And wrathdu had a patch for our issue with WaitForProcess right? 01:39:32 Yep, I'd like to test that. 01:39:45 I reckon Revo Uninstaller looks a good sort of piece of software to have official. We've nothing like it and it shows off new features. 01:39:54 Indeed 01:39:59 :D 01:40:02 WaitForProcess doesn't affect it does it? 01:40:23 It doesn't use it, so I wouldn't think so. 01:40:40 Either way, once you patch that I can do a quick update. 01:41:29 ChrisMorgan: And you were saying you wanted something include-wise in UnicodeNSISPortable right? The custom NSH file or something... I lost the logs. 01:42:30 Yeah, to stop moving nsisconf.nsh from Data to App and instead have App\NSIS\nsisconf.nsh have the contents "!include ${NSISDIR}\..\..\Data\settings\nsisconf.nsh". 01:43:16 I also want to put in OS-compatibility checking before the 2.0 release. Forgetting about Chrome only working on XP and up I tried running it on Windows 2000 machine and found it extremely irritating: portable passwords kept on assuring me I'd provided the wrong password, and when I disabled that it just... didn't start. 01:43:43 It should say "Google Chrome Portable requires Windows XP or later to run." so the user knows. 01:45:19 Hmm. But we also have to worry about apps that are only up to a specific version, too. Like when SpyDLLRemover didn't run on Win7. 01:45:49 That's fairly straightforward. 01:47:00 How about add a MinOSVersion/MaxOSVersion and have the launcher just return an error when trying to launch on an unsupported OS? 01:47:02 The only difficulty with it is the numbering system. I don't think it's practical in the nicest way to support arbitrary OS specifications, so we've got to just support values like "XP", "Vista", "7". WinVer.nsh can then handle the rest. 01:47:28 But then there's Wine as well. 01:47:46 Of course, if we say it doesn't work on wine... a future wine update may fix it, and then the app is wrong 01:47:55 I thought about that and decided ... 01:47:58 Yeah, what you said. 01:48:10 It'd be unfair on future versions of Wine which fixed the problem. 01:48:16 Indeed 01:48:25 And so I decided Wine users can just discover if it doesn't work themselves. 01:48:33 Yeah 01:48:38 I also wonder whether it'd be better to have it as an OK/Cancel message box so the user can try running it if they really want to. 01:48:40 "This may or may not work in Wine." 01:49:13 So MinVersion and MaxVersion. Make them both optional. And default Min to 0.0 and Max to 100.0? 01:49:23 Not numbers, strings. 01:49:39 The way WinVer.nsh works it's simpler to do it that way. 01:49:48 *** dbdii407 has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net) 01:49:58 It would know automatically that 2000 < XP < Vista < 7 ? 01:49:59 So what would you propose? 01:50:01 *** dbdii407 (~dbdii407@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 01:50:14 Its syntax with LogicLib is something like ${IfNot} ${AtLeastXP} 01:50:29 Seems simple then. 01:50:39 [OS], Min,Max=XP,Vista,7 01:50:56 So if Min is missing, just skip the check altogether. Same with Max. 01:51:06 Yep 01:51:52 I presume Windows editions are the same in other languages? 01:52:22 Does it end up like "qoutgyoguwwhrgtgeouthoagg Windows XP awrguoetoeuhau" or like "ougthoauhgowt wrogh GH aopergroua"? 01:52:40 Just thinking of translation. I would expect "Windows XP" etc. would be fine as the $0 contents. 01:53:04 Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows 7. We just use those strings. 01:53:06 *** kai_62656 has quit (Quit: Leaving) 01:53:13 s/2000/Vista/ ? 01:54:16 Windows Vista. It's always just that, all langs. 01:54:28 Yep. That's what I thought it should be. 01:56:15 Just about to have to head off to a one hour tutorial. 01:56:25 Fun fun 01:56:34 I should be sending your drive tomorrow :-) 01:56:37 <- On Spring Break. :D 01:56:39 :-) 01:57:43 *** dbdii407 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 01:58:05 Hmm. Regarding OS version, how would checks for Windows Server work? 01:58:45 They fit in in the right place with WinVer.nsh. 01:58:50 *** dbdii407 (~dbdii407@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 01:58:56 Yeah, we use the desktop equivalent 01:59:06 XP < 2003 < Vista < 7 < 2008 Server I think it is, possibly the last two switched. 01:59:53 Bye 01:59:58 Alright. Revo Uninstaller's downloads page says it's compatible with Windows Server (no specific version though...) 01:59:59 Back in an hour or so. 02:00:07 Scriptdaemon, ran fine on 2003 02:00:25 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Quit messages are inane.) 02:00:26 I'm assuming all versions of it then. 02:03:45 JohnTHaller, you asked before what should be listed on each app's page, how about PAF version, installer version, and (optional) launcher version? 02:03:56 For developers, mostly. 02:10:38 Scriptdaemon: Nah, this is targeting end-users. Each piece of information they don't need is more confusing. 02:10:50 Alrighty then. 02:10:52 Who really cares what version of the launcher is included in the app as long as it works right? 02:11:05 Yeah, makes sense. 02:12:49 *** Farfar has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02:20:06 *** BjornH (~BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 02:22:42 *** pa_2194 (~4addd0b4@gateway/web/freenode/x-gkidodqzztfhdddw) has joined #portableapps 02:23:37 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 02:34:11 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 02:40:50 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 02:44:52 I think Speccy Portable is done, posting in a minute. 02:45:25 :) 02:49:23 Hmm. 02:49:54 With RunAsAdmin=try, the program won't load at all if you select no to run as admin. :( 02:50:34 It does if you allow it to load as admin though. 02:50:48 Off the to PA.c thread! 02:51:46 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]) 02:57:21 *** pa_7249 (~3af0bd16@gateway/web/freenode/x-eamqsdwkdwqjkqsl) has joined #portableapps 02:57:56 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 02:58:49 *** Guest92018 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 03:01:35 *** Guest69698 (~dabomb69@chronos.spartairc.co.cc) has joined #portableapps 03:02:56 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 03:02:57 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 03:05:00 Scriptdaemon, in my testing on this machine with Revo, try worked fine (it passed it off to Revo itself to bork) 03:05:22 Hi, I'm the moderator of rtmpe.com. Recently we got some users asking us to make the forum available on Blackberry and other portable devices. We tested but failed. Our user band-jamesband suggested us to ask you for help. Would you give us some suggestions on this? Thanks! 03:05:51 <@JohnTHaller>Hi, I'm the moderator of rtmpe.com. Recently we got some users asking us to make the forum available on Blackberry and other portable devices. We tested but failed. Our user band-jamesband suggested us to ask you for help. Would you give us some suggestions on this? Thanks! 03:05:53 pa_7249, we can't help you with that. We don't deal with those sorts of devices at all. 03:05:57 I'm typing up Speccy Portable's thread, so can you test that then? 03:06:05 We only deal with USB disks and Windows. 03:06:16 Scriptdaemon, I expect so 03:09:28 pa_7249: your website should be accessible from any device with a proper webbrowser 03:11:25 sar3th: Our user is using opera on his blackberry and he couldn't add post to our forum. 03:11:42 Anyway, we really can't help you. 03:11:47 It's not our area at all. 03:12:17 Ok, thank you any way. 03:12:49 *** pa_7249 has parted #portableapps (None) 03:18:24 ChrisMorgan, aaand, posted. 03:18:59 *** pa_2194 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 03:19:40 Scriptdaemon, aaand, tested. 03:19:50 Works fine not as admin. 03:20:02 Speccy produces a warning about it too. 03:20:39 How odd. You're working without admin at all though, right? I have admin and I choose "no." 03:20:44 Absolutely. 03:20:50 The splash loads, and nothing. 03:20:54 then* 03:21:16 It brings up the "Run As" window, I press Cancel, splash screen, Speccy. 03:21:47 XP? 03:21:51 Yep 03:22:06 Or: I select "Current user (L-CL60-EH1-2-03\cjmor16)" and press OK and it asks for Abort/Retry/Ignore 03:22:13 Might be an issue with 7, but that's still weird. 03:22:26 Scriptdaemon: want me to test something? 03:22:40 i have xp and 7 around, just a few seconds to change 03:22:48 got a quest for both of you Script and Chris? 03:23:05 sar3th, http://portableapps.com/node/23156 03:23:37 In WIndows 7 *with* admin, try to launch that but select "no" when it prompts you to run with admin. 03:23:44 Windows* 03:23:49 vf2nsr, hmm? 03:23:51 vf2nsr, please ask 03:23:56 you mean the UAC-prompt Scriptdaemon? 03:24:00 Yes. 03:24:06 In the installer you used is there a way to allow a longer ime out before it begins to download? so as to allow a user to ok it in their firewall? 03:24:31 vf2nsr, http://portableapps.com/node/21879#comment-146159 03:24:32 No 03:24:33 ok Scriptdaemon just a second.. 03:24:37 I noticed it with the unicode nsis install and then caught it with Speccy 03:25:39 OK sorry I had posted that and had this window minimized forgot and then ssaw trhe 2 of ya 03:25:50 I sit back and behave 03:25:53 Scriptdaemon: confirmed, error, splash, dead 03:26:04 Good, I'm not crazy. 03:26:11 :) 03:26:21 Sure? 03:26:27 So it's a problem with 7. Hold on, I'm going to go test on Vista. 03:28:12 Try running Speccy directly without PAL. That's a /far/ more useful test. 03:28:19 (Without admin that is) 03:29:04 ok 03:29:25 ChrisMorgan: nothing, it quits 03:29:35 Good, Speccy's fault. 03:29:41 Go complain to Piriform :D 03:30:07 K. Already complained about the lack of portability as well. :D 03:30:10 In the mean time that ends up with an interesting question of admin/OS version codependency. It does happen. 03:30:22 e.g. 2000 doesn't require admin, XP+ does. 03:30:31 Maybe I need to handle something like that. 03:30:34 Eek :-) 03:30:48 Doesn't load in Vista either. 03:30:59 Doesn't surprise me 03:31:09 Yeah, they're close enough. 03:31:14 So it should be force 03:31:22 Scriptdaemon, looks great your creation? 03:31:34 Speccy? No. That's Piriform's. 03:31:54 JohnTHaller, for now, but I'll see if Piriform can fix it. 03:32:04 JohnTHaller, the thing is in XP it works fine without admin (except that it doesn't find some values) 03:32:12 There's nothing to fix. The app requirtes admin... so done. 03:32:21 What Chris said. 03:32:23 AtMostXP: try, AtLeastXP: force 03:32:25 Scriptdaemon, looks good enough to put on my lappy and desktop systems 03:32:39 s/AtLeastXP/AtLeastVista/ 03:33:14 ChrisMorgan: Just a point of fact, if this is going to hold up the updater, push it to 2.1. 03:33:30 Or maybe there's something with Vista and 7 specifically that Speccy CAN'T be without admin? 03:33:35 You mean Launcher? 03:33:40 Yes, sorry 03:34:06 I don't think I'll get round to putting in OS-dependant RunAsAdmin for 2.0. 03:34:29 I'd really like to get it solid so we can start pushing out a bunch of regular apps with it. 03:35:02 I would too 03:35:04 I'll just go with force for now, we can look into it some more later (I'll also ask about it on Piriform's forums). 03:35:12 Sounds like a plan 03:35:25 I think I'd prefer try and warn people. 03:35:31 That way people on XP can still use it somewhat. 03:35:45 People like me who can't have admin. 03:35:57 But when on Vista and 7 it fails to load, wouldn't it confuse users? 03:36:03 But Speccy isn't really useful on a PC unless it's your own, is it? 03:36:10 Yes, it would. 03:36:27 Could do. It's in Beta Testing though, so a warning should be enough at this stage, I reckon. 03:36:43 JohnTHaller, you could want to check out the specs of a machine which isn't your normal machine. 03:37:05 Oh, also. That's why I brought up earlier the ability to surpress the RunAsAdmin errors (in case, like Speccy, the app has its own warnings about running without admin). 03:37:32 Also can be implemented later on. 03:37:36 ChrisMorgan: What else do you need from me or anybody else to get 2.0 to final? I'd really like to focus on that over the next week. 03:38:09 JohnTHaller, so am I going with force for now? 03:38:11 Worry about standard apps first. We can't even package Piriform apps yet, anyway, since we don't yet have permission. 03:38:19 yes, force. 03:38:35 ChrisMorgan, I agree I work on many people computers and use things like Everest or SIW to find out more about a machine before I go off and open it 03:38:36 Yeah. They have U3, so I don't see why they haven't gone for PA.c yet. 03:38:37 Doesn't truly matter, since it will still be a dev test for a bit. 03:38:42 True. 03:38:54 I think it's all up to me except for testing. 03:39:01 Plus, Speccy is a beta itself. 03:39:23 The main thing is the manual. I want to finish transferring everything to it. 03:39:47 I thought piriform dropped u3 03:40:15 I didn't know anything about that. I'll have a look. 03:40:20 ChrisMorgan: Let's get it working first with a new beta so people can test it and ensure it's solid. If we delay beta 3 for manual work, we have less testing time. 03:40:39 I'm more delaying it for MTH1030 project work... 03:41:11 JohnTHaller, nope, they still have U3 downloads. 03:42:34 where, can't find a current one. only outdated forum stuff 03:42:38 Hydrogen and Blood Frontier are next. Space Invaders OpenGL might be on hold for awhile. There's a crash when running without admin. 03:43:07 http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds CCleaner - PortableU3 03:43:35 Heh, weird to support a dead as doornails platform 03:44:06 Exactly why I'm surprised they haven't talked to you yet. 03:44:28 I've chatted with them. We're working through some details in terms of it working with the updater. 03:44:49 Oh? Awesome. So then, would my launcher be taken over? 03:44:57 (And Nathan's launchers) 03:45:12 They're doing one based on ours with updates I did to it for ccleaner. 03:45:20 Ideally, we'll get them on PA.c launcher 03:46:01 They can take over mine, since by then it'll have some testing. 03:46:43 And as soon as they save Speccy's settings to a file, there won't be much to change for their other three apps. 03:46:54 I've been thinking of switching Inkscape from using the environment variable INKSCAPE_PORTABLE_PROFILE_DIR to using %PAL:DataDir%\settings. What do you think? It'd simplify things even more than they are now... 03:47:28 Inkscape 0.48 is entering Frost in the next few days (from Chill). 03:48:05 I suppose I'd need to tell the WinPenPack people to be nice so that they didn't get a broken release (they latched onto the env var I added in 0.47 revision 12) 03:48:33 Or just recommend them to give it up and use ours/theirs (Inkscape's) ;-) 03:49:19 I doubt they will. It's odd. They want to stick to their own thing with their partially closed launchers (based on AutoIT). They even snipe at us about the fact that they updated OO.o and we didn't in a front page story. 03:50:00 Erk. 03:50:59 Yeah, they're an interesting bunch. They purposely duplicated a lot of my work in the beginning (same apps, patterned after my launchers) so they could call it their own. 03:51:49 Illogical :-( 03:52:05 It'd be considered unethical to break stuff for them so that, if they were to copy it, it wouldn't work, wouldn't it? 03:52:43 And if they were copying the order of execution etc. then it'd technically be GPL violation. 03:52:43 (Based on what Chris said about the env var.) 03:53:23 Dunno if they were exactly... might have been back then... but at least they release their sources, even if they don't redistribute the sources of the apps they package as required. 03:53:58 Scriptdaemon: all I'm proposing to do is, working as an Inkscape developer, to make it simpler for the official portable version of our software Inkscape to work with this nice new launcher the folks at PortableApps.com have made. 03:54:51 Another bunch of people have made a portable version... it's not as good as our official portable version but we can't really stop them. But if we change this that'll break theirs unless they notice and fix it... so we'll be nice and warn them of impending change. 03:55:54 Does that sound reasonable to you? 03:56:20 We could ask them to stop and just link to our own superior version of Inkscape Portable. But it's unlikely that they'll want to do this. 03:56:52 Yes, but what I was suggesting is that would it look bad on us for *not* warning them? Not suggesting to do that, but it gave me the idea. 03:57:25 I don't know. I can't think of a reason not to warn them anyway. 03:57:38 I'd say warn them. I don't think they test as thoroughly, so they could miss it. 03:57:51 No... when they have 10 revisions, ... 03:58:05 I can put on my PortableApps.com developer mask for developing the Launcher and then my Inkscape developer mask for using the Launcher :-) 03:58:09 They don't actually. That's the revision of the launcher INI included with the app. 03:58:47 So it could be, say, Inkscape 1.0 [Rev 5]. And if a new version comes out but the launcher doesn't need changing., it's Inkscape 1.1 [Rev 5]. It's odd, but has some logic to it. 03:59:11 Their current release is 0.47-3 [rev10] 03:59:34 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]) 04:00:13 Ideally, it'd be nice to bring them on-board at some point. They have a couple committed devs doing updates and testing. And lots of Italian-speaking folks for translations. 04:00:47 Hmm... X-InkScape v0.46 [rev9] then X-InkScape v0.47-2 [rev10] 04:00:52 Then 0.47-3 [rev10] 04:01:08 And "InkScape" is incorrect. Inkscape is the name. 04:01:45 Their firefox is legally questionable. They already stopped bundling it exactly and now have the actual installer bundled within their ZIP and extract it on first run. 04:02:38 Does Mozilla respond if you ask them about it? 04:03:39 They're tight-lipped about what they will do about violations. I think they were the reason winpenpack doesn't bundle anymore. And I know Lupo contacted them and they told him no. 04:04:20 I'm positive the name "X-Firefox" is a trademark violation, and if asked for permission, they'd say no way. 04:04:30 Most assuredly. 04:09:10 *** JohnTHaller1 (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 04:09:55 *** JohnTHaller has quit (Disconnected by services) 04:10:04 *** JohnTHaller1 is now known as JohnTHaller 04:10:38 Wb. 04:10:54 Yay flakey net connection 04:11:00 Indeed. 04:11:14 *** pa_0137 (~db5ac73d@gateway/web/freenode/x-bpwxypeeblkjpghy) has joined #portableapps 04:11:24 *** pa_0137 is now known as Horus 04:11:45 *** Horus is now known as Horusofoz 04:11:57 Third time lucky :P 04:12:49 :D 04:13:15 Actually I can see just how this RunAsAdmin/OS integration could work... extra RunAsAdmin(XP|Vista|7) values, try|force|off. 04:13:36 Then you could have RunAsAdmin=force, RunAsAdmin2000=try, RunAsAdminXP=try 04:13:49 What do you reckon Scriptdaemon? 04:13:56 Hi ChrisMorgan. Are you still using Ubuntu regularly? 04:14:10 Horusofoz, it's my main OS at home. 04:14:11 I like the logic-based way you mentioned earlier, but that would certainly work. 04:14:27 Any familiarity with the Server edition? 04:14:29 Scriptdaemon, I'm just talking about how to expose it to the developer. 04:14:32 Horusofoz, none 04:14:43 *** qwertymodo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04:14:56 How it's implmented in the launcher code is fairly easy, the only slightly tricky bit is the INI options to use. 04:15:13 Yeah, I guess that would be the best way to do it for an .ini file then. 04:15:35 It's either something like [RunAsAdmin] Default, 2000, XP, Vista, 7 or [Launch]:RunAsAdmin(2000|XP|Vista|7)? 04:16:05 ChrisMorgan: Damn. Anyone here know if you can use one Ubuntu server to image another? 04:16:09 Hmm, of the two I like the latter. 04:16:17 That's what I reckoned. 04:16:34 Horusofoz, not a clue. Try #ubuntu if you can stomach the number of users in there. 04:17:16 For some reasons my school's proxy wont let me tere using the web client though I can access PortableApps.com via the same client :( 04:17:25 *** qwertymodo (~Ben@oit-142-36.OIT.EDU) has joined #portableapps 04:17:48 *** qwertymodo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04:17:55 Interesting 04:18:06 Still waiting until after 2.0 to do that though? 04:18:46 Scriptdaemon, no, now I've thought about it it's easy to put in. 04:20:40 Alrighty. I'll test as soon as you put it in. 04:21:08 Don't tempt me! I've got to work on this assignment! :P 04:21:42 Rephrase: Alrighty. I'll test when you manage to get to putting it in, after you've finished your homework. 04:21:45 Better? :D 04:22:08 :-) 04:23:59 *** Horusofoz has quit (Quit: Page closed) 04:25:59 Say an app includes an .sh file, that should be safe to delete right? (Windows doesn't use that, right?) 04:26:08 Scriptdaemon, then you won't get it till tomorrow or possibly Thursday :D 04:26:17 Scriptdaemon, yep, that's cross-platform Java stuff typically. 04:26:26 no! 04:26:31 that's a shell script for bash 04:26:41 So, keep it? 04:26:42 e.g. GanttProject has a .sh file to launch it in Linux/Unix. 04:26:58 sar3th, I'm saying that's how I've found it typically used in packages. 04:27:03 ChrisMorgan: Anything you want to add, can we please put off til 2.1 and really get the next 2,0 Beta being final (just a fix of current bugs, no new features)? 04:27:17 ChrisMorgan: it's the same as .bat, really 04:27:22 Except for *nix 04:27:33 Scriptdaemon: yes, it should be safe to delete it though 04:27:42 Not even a small, eensy weensy feature like OS compatibility checking for an app like Chrome? 04:27:43 Blood Frontier uses Cube 2, and I don't think Java is involved at all. So I don't think it's for that. I'll take a look at it again. It already has a .bat file used for launching it in Windows. 04:28:02 Scriptdaemon: it's /not/ java-related 04:28:03 Whatever it is it's probably something for running it on *nix 04:28:07 yes 04:28:10 that's true 04:28:10 Yeah, so deleted. 04:28:15 Sorry for the confusuion I caused 04:28:20 :P 04:28:31 It's possible that it could be used internally but that's extremely unlikely. 04:28:51 ChrisMorgan: If you're absolutely positive it'll be bug free and won't delay us at all... for reals. 04:28:54 I've worked with 'em before and all, but wasn't sure if Windows ever used that file type too. 04:28:58 JohnTHaller: I really do want to put in OS validation before 2.0. 04:29:07 Yes, it's very simple stuff, no complex code in it. 04:29:44 JohnTHaller, I'll test it as soon as it's in anyway. 04:29:56 This ForEachINIPair bug Simeon's uncovered is slightly disturbing. I can't work out why it might be happening. 04:30:01 Ok. How about just add that and fix the bugs from Beta 2 (mainly the WaitForProcess stuff) and post as Beta 3. Then start working on the manual for final. 04:30:14 ChrisMorgan: I thought the new API was gonna fix that 04:30:21 I'll see if the API call fixes it though. 04:30:23 It should. 04:31:16 Ok. Any idea on an ETA for beta 3? I'm basically waiting on it for Audacity, Mixx and Linux Multimedia Studio, which all need releasing for a music suite update 04:31:37 Hmm. 04:31:47 Blood Frontier doesn't load anymore... 04:32:01 Hmm... maybe I could sling B3 out and go for another release RC1 or something like that? 04:32:34 *Recovers .sh file to see if that was the problem* 04:32:38 If there are no fixes involved other than a manual., I'd say B3 and then final. I'd like B3 to be release-quality (other than the manual) 04:32:59 Scriptdaemon: Don't go randomly removing stuff from apps. We only remove uninstallers generally. 04:33:00 I do want OS compatibility and to try better INI reading for the last release before final. 04:34:10 JohnTHaller, so far I removed the source and uninstall stuff. Should I keep the dedicated server stuff? 04:34:57 And an .sh file I was testing to see if it was only used in *nix. 04:35:49 We remove shell extensions, too, usually 04:38:26 Yeah... I recovered that file and now it works. Apparently that file is pretty important. 04:39:36 Scriptdaemon: the .sh file? 04:39:39 Yes. 04:39:53 that is remarkable 04:40:03 When I removed it, it complained about not finding core textures. 04:40:27 then it is not a shell script this time 04:40:37 see if you can open it with notepad please Scriptdaemon 04:40:53 in shellscripts, there would be plain text 04:40:57 That's odd. The only stuff in it I can see is linux dependant. 04:41:11 It doesn't really matter. If it needs it it needs it. 04:41:16 if there's only gibberish, it is a data-file in an unknown format 04:41:25 It's a shell script. 04:42:00 I can post it on pastebin later. For now, I'm gonna go hang out with a friend I haven't seen in three months. 04:42:05 Later. 04:42:10 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Politeness, n. The most acceptable hypocrisy.) 04:48:02 Fascinating. The first value is read fine but the rest is a multi-byte muddle. 04:48:13 what encoding is the file? 04:48:22 using API or older plugin/function? 04:48:48 Using API. 04:49:03 That GetSection function is just hopelessly broken for NSISu. 04:49:24 What file encoding is it? 04:53:31 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 04:54:16 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 04:54:16 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 04:54:55 It's getting the TCHAR length right, I suspect the problem is with the lstrlenW call 04:55:23 Why do you need a thcar length at all? 04:55:45 Just what kernel32::GetPrivateProfileSection returns 04:56:55 I've worked out why it's going mad... sort of. 04:57:29 What encoding is the INI in? (3rd time I've asked :-P ) 04:57:48 First it gets string one: full string (29 characters). Next time it's lost half, then half, then half etc. until it's done. When it starts on the wrong byte it looks all wonky. 04:58:11 System::Call '*$4(&t${NSIS_MAX_STRLEN} .r9)' seems to only be getting half the characters. 04:58:29 Dude, you're killing me... What encoding is the INI in? (4th time I've asked :-P ) 04:58:43 I think it's only the third. 04:59:05 It's an ANSI file, but it gets converted to UTF-16LE by the API call. 04:59:39 What if it's a UTF-16LE file? Or UTF8. How does it work then? 04:59:46 Not up to that yet. 05:00:02 *** dabomb69 (~rewt@bb-183-006.omnitelcom.com) has joined #portableapps 05:00:05 dabomb69 is the genius that forgot to include Perl in Perl Portable xP 05:00:17 *** dabomb69 has quit (Changing host) 05:00:17 *** dabomb69 (~rewt@unaffiliated/dabomb69) has joined #portableapps 05:00:17 dabomb69 is the genius that forgot to include Perl in Perl Portable xP 05:02:29 it "gets" converted, does that mean you switch encoding, or you really transcribe it from ANSI to utf16-le? 05:02:48 Same behaviour in a UTF16-LE file. 05:02:59 Odd 05:03:10 There's something wrong with the System::Call '*$4(&t${NSIS_MAX_STRLEN} .r9)' line I think 05:04:31 It's dealing with N instead of 2N I think. 05:07:38 It's all weird. And it crashes if you don't get it quite right :D 05:10:26 By using A functions and the m type instead of t (which becomes WCHAR) I can get it to work. 05:10:49 what is m vs t? 05:11:00 m is an ANSI string. 05:11:15 if that's what it takes, go with it. 05:11:17 In NSISu t => w, m = single-byte char 05:19:40 I'd like to know why it's not working with the Unicode versions though. I think I'll ask for comments/help in the thread. 05:20:34 what thread? 05:21:03 I was thinking of my PAL thread. 05:21:10 ah 05:40:40 *** gringoloco (~bc5b13b7@gateway/web/freenode/x-cojprbuvmjggmufd) has joined #portableapps 05:41:06 Hello 05:41:16 Hey gringoloco 05:41:21 Did you see the logs? 05:41:56 again a null separated, double null terminated string... 05:42:02 Yep. 05:42:12 use NullBute.nsh 05:42:19 Hmm... 05:42:27 "NullByte.nhs v0.1" 05:42:46 wait, I really have only 2 minutes, I'll send to paste bin 05:42:52 I've got it 05:42:56 From last time you posted it 05:43:10 Any reason why you use System::Call /NOUNLOAD "*(&t${NSIS_MAX_STRLEN}) i.s" rather than System::Alloc ${NSIS_MAX_STRLEN? 05:44:19 http://pastebin.com/EgzKNGz8 05:45:33 That turns it into a delimiter-separated thing. I think I'll redo your NullByte.nsh script a bit so it can be used in a loop style. 05:45:40 I'll see how I go and post about it. 05:45:43 I have to really test to say something usefull about your question (I just woke up) Sometimes NSISu seems to crash for no reason allocating, yes ! 05:46:29 I feel free to change the script, it's just an example what did work ! 05:46:52 Have go sorry, let me know if there is anything else ! 05:46:58 OK, thanks 05:47:05 *** gringoloco has quit (Quit: Page closed) 05:52:46 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 06:05:29 Getting there :-) 06:07:18 Good, all working with using the Unicode version :-) 06:07:33 Nice, what was it 06:07:52 Not sure precisely what the difference was. I haven't looked that thoroughly. 06:09:40 And I made it pop up an error message if it's filled the buffer (i.e. truncated) 06:09:54 So if anyone does use a 4KB section they'll hear about it. 06:10:09 Bye, got to go home now quickly. I stayed too long. 06:10:13 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Quit: Opera Web Browser 10.51! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://www.opera.com/) 06:10:37 gnigh! 06:11:59 Worked it out, my issue was as I suspected not multiplying by two. 06:12:08 h 06:12:10 ah 06:12:17 I thought that was it. 06:12:20 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Quit messages are inane.) 06:12:34 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 06:16:42 *** rmccue has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06:21:50 *** dbdii407 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 06:24:42 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]) 06:25:38 *** dbdii407 (~dbdii407@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 06:37:53 *** OliverK (~WifiWomba@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 06:37:57 muhaha 06:53:16 *** OliverK has quit (Quit: so long and thanks for all the fish) 07:17:07 *** Scriptdaemon (~KennyW@cpe-76-83-207-236.dc.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 07:53:05 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 07:53:07 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 08:03:29 welcome back you two 08:05:04 Gleetings, sar3th. 08:08:22 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Bedtime.) 08:25:29 *** dbdii407 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 08:28:09 *** dbdii407 (~dbdii407@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 08:54:27 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 09:10:55 *** Twinkletoes|W (~chatzilla@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 09:16:31 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]) 10:31:11 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 10:39:54 *** rickly (who@unaffiliated/rickly) has joined #portableapps 10:57:32 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit... D:) 11:08:18 *** dabomb69 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 11:17:59 * ChrisMorgan pushes "Biiiiigggg update to the Manual." 11:18:07 Now goodnight. 11:18:34 Manual is now better than help.html except that it doesn't have the full 'general applications' worked examples. 11:18:57 7-Zip and Code::Blocks they are. And I think they're a bit out of date too. 11:24:01 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 12:17:06 *** pa_0616 (~721e6a8c@gateway/web/freenode/x-oavcnpvsnzmgpgbv) has joined #portableapps 12:17:07 SPAM-http://portableapps.com/news/2009-11-11_-_clamwin_portable_0.95.3#comment-146176 12:18:33 *** pa_0616 has quit (Client Quit) 12:20:35 *** pa_7968 (~54787947@gateway/web/freenode/x-sbeduxmychlmiefa) has joined #portableapps 12:20:41 *** pa_7968 has quit (Client Quit) 13:19:38 indeed 13:19:39 *** rickly has quit (Quit: One door closes and another door closes) 13:47:48 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 14:12:31 *** rcmaehl (~d8423b29@gateway/web/freenode/x-raypzzknivovqvmf) has joined #portableapps 14:18:44 *** rcmaehl has quit (Quit: Page closed) 14:35:17 *** TheMida (~TheMida@213162066138.public.t-mobile.at) has joined #portableapps 14:36:29 *** TheMida has quit (Client Quit) 15:05:18 *** excid3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 15:06:55 *** excid3 (~chris@student213-175.cv.siue.edu) has joined #portableapps 15:25:40 *** Scriptdaemon (~KennyW@cpe-76-83-207-236.dc.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 16:07:38 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 16:15:51 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Politeness, n. The most acceptable hypocrisy.) 16:22:29 *** SrgSiler|AFK has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 16:22:29 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 16:25:09 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 16:25:09 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 16:29:33 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Client Quit) 16:32:28 *** Guest39960 (~Kyle@server2.dpunwired.com) has joined #portableapps 16:33:08 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 16:33:08 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 16:33:11 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 16:41:35 *** Guest39960 has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net) 16:41:35 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net) 16:43:15 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 16:43:15 ... 16:44:18 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 17:01:02 *** Simeon (~simeon@dslb-092-075-085-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #portableapps 17:01:10 hi all 17:01:50 hola 17:02:15 Hey JohnTHaller 17:04:41 You have been working on the themes as I heard. 17:05:18 indeed 17:05:23 themes, logo treatments 17:06:26 i saw the protocolls of a heated (?) debate over the platform logo :) 17:06:52 heh 17:08:10 look good. a little heavy at the bottom i think 17:08:28 look too fat. hard to describe 17:09:29 oh, that's just a logo update 17:09:32 the theme isn't done. 17:09:42 working on the red. the bottom is just a placeholder, doing new icons and slider 17:09:51 i meant only the logo 17:10:03 i actually like the theme 17:11:04 *** Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 17:14:46 Too bad Chris Morgan isnt here. I have a problem where the launcher only moves the first file in the ini and thats a bug I would want to be fixed before we do a new release. 17:15:07 he's well aware and already has it fixed in his local repository 17:15:13 ah cool 17:15:26 have to download it and try. 17:15:29 thx 17:15:42 not sure if it is in tip or not yet. i know he fixed it locally 17:15:50 howdy John didn't see you there, whats new? 17:15:58 ah ok 17:16:24 it was a bug in getting all the bits in an INI section where it didn't get the character widths right when compiled a unicode, so the first entry works and no others. 17:16:44 hi ZachThibeau. Usual, workin my butt off 17:17:20 i've had rather disturbing experiences with delphi and unicode today :/ 17:17:27 how come 17:17:31 today (or tonight???) 17:17:37 ;) 17:17:58 Simeon: actually today this time ;) 17:18:18 well, i had some wired type i had to use, TCharArray = array[Byte] of PAnsiChar 17:18:25 try converting that to a PChar :/ 17:18:44 I don't use ansi chars at all inside the menu anymore 17:19:07 and you can do arrays of chars and stuff in unicode. yuo just need to treat them differently.... hang on, I have linkage... 17:19:22 yeah, the problem was, i had to use it becuase of a dll call which only supported ansi :/ 17:20:28 I can't find the links to the PDFs at the moment. They are somewhere on embarcadero's site 17:21:24 You can easily loop through the array, puill each char off, convert it to a pchar and then concatenate the string (not using + anymore, using the new string concatenation function) 17:22:09 yeah, i did something like that; however, the dll stopped working, so i'm investigating that now :) 17:22:17 heh, of course it did 17:23:07 sounds like murphys law :) 17:23:36 yeah :( just when i got everything to work fine, it stopped working 17:23:41 i might try a reboot later 17:24:40 ...always a good idea 17:26:51 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]) 17:36:58 *** JohnTHaller is now known as JohnTHaller|gym 17:40:49 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 17:42:18 *** kai_62656 (~A@unaffiliated/kai-62656/x-7765177) has joined #portableapps 17:45:13 *** kai_62656_ (~A@68-116-106-234.dhcp.crsn.ca.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 17:47:44 *** kai_62656 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 17:58:17 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 17:58:19 MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable, and he has a website at http://mmfail.co.cc/ 17:58:51 hi MaienM 18:01:21 *** kai_62656_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 18:02:57 hello Simeon 18:04:26 *** kai_62656 (~A@unaffiliated/kai-62656/x-7765177) has joined #portableapps 18:04:40 *** kai_62656 is now known as kai_6265| 18:05:36 someone is spamming the forums big time! 18:06:11 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a83-132-129-116.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 18:06:12 its the blogs 18:11:34 *** MaienM has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 18:11:40 *** solanus (~40866305@gateway/web/freenode/x-nxjayhyvgbdcsiii) has joined #portableapps 18:11:44 *** MaienM_ (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 18:11:58 Anyboody block that becondia spammer yet? 18:12:09 i hope John does that when he returns 18:12:40 It's a bad one! 18:14:08 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 18:14:36 Any one watching the forum? it is getting a spam attack? 18:20:50 no vf2nsr :( 18:21:01 feel free to post links to spam though 18:21:10 i just hope a mod comes and cleans it 18:21:21 yup like 40 new posts all from a new user and only thin gin post is a hyperlink 18:21:37 and he only posts in blog posts 18:21:45 definitely not clicking that hyperlink 18:22:52 yup hadn't even noticed that 18:26:04 *** ve4jhj (~ve4jhj@unaffiliated/ve4jhj) has joined #portableapps 18:27:30 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 18:30:29 *** Guest29666 (~Kyle@server2.dpunwired.com) has joined #portableapps 18:31:09 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 18:31:09 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 18:31:49 hi Zach 18:36:58 I never truely left :P 18:37:04 I just had to restart my znc 18:37:05 on it. easy deleltions comingh 18:37:30 heh, some little loser manually posting them all. easily dealt with all at once through the admin. 18:37:49 @ZachThibeau: Then I revoke my greetings :) 18:37:57 lol 18:37:57 ouch. that was fast John. 18:38:28 *** ptmb has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 18:38:56 argh. Sometimes I hate linux /Kubuntu. 18:39:13 I prefre linux with the gnome desktop environment 18:39:20 same foes for me with windows ^^ 18:39:22 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a83-132-129-116.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 18:39:29 Simeon: opensuse + kde ;) 18:39:57 I used suse for some time but its very big. Lots of stuff coming by default. 18:40:04 ubuntu is smaller to install 18:40:15 custom linux ftw 18:40:26 and yast was slow. But that was on my old pc. 18:40:28 I compiled my own kernel and all my software for it :P 18:40:50 however, it has best hardware support imo; if further discussion is needed, let's take it to -ot ;) 18:40:57 i dont know enough to do that. Was it worth it? New features? faster? 18:45:28 *** gringoloco (~5b8deee2@gateway/web/freenode/x-qyeiucvlsqkcjsgc) has joined #portableapps 18:46:08 hi gringoloco 18:46:24 Found the ForEachINIPair.nsh bug 18:46:28 check the forum ! 18:46:31 cool 18:47:14 thats an easy fix :) 18:47:27 one line... 18:47:37 Have to go for a cigarette now, but will be back soon to see if it fixed your bug as well 18:48:01 Im on linux right now so I cant check 18:48:09 Not easy to find though ! 18:55:42 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 18:55:44 MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable, and he has a website at http://mmfail.co.cc/ 18:55:52 *** MaienM_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 19:03:22 *** marlop|away has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) 19:07:43 *** sar3th has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net) 19:08:43 *** sar3th (~sar3th@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) has joined #portableapps 19:08:43 sar3th is a dev who likes games by valve very much 19:08:46 *** sar3th has quit (Changing host) 19:08:47 *** sar3th (~sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 19:08:48 sar3th is a dev who likes games by valve very much 19:19:21 *** Nimbus (~Nimbus@bas2-barrie18-1177727195.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #portableapps 19:19:38 *** gringoloco has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 19:19:50 *** marlop|away (marlop@use.the.force.on.shellium.org) has joined #portableapps 19:19:55 *** Nimbus is now known as Bloodsong 19:20:11 *** marlop|away is now known as marlop 19:23:34 *** gringoloco (~5e9db33e@gateway/web/freenode/x-zlalvffxkcueuapj) has joined #portableapps 19:35:34 I see the little spammer got fried 19:37:43 yup 19:38:17 tyvm 19:38:27 You're online even while at the gym, John? THats something :) 19:39:17 *** JohnTHaller|gym is now known as JohnTHaller 19:39:28 yup. I type and lift at the same time. 19:39:53 Nah, just got back and finished a salad while watching Farscape... so now back to work. 19:55:17 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 19:57:47 gotta go cu 19:58:21 later man 19:58:32 *** Simeon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 20:03:21 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 20:12:29 *** Bloodsong has quit (Quit: Leaving) 20:12:33 *** solanus has quit (Quit: Page closed) 20:14:05 *** dbdii407 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20:17:13 *** kai_6265| has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 20:17:29 *** ve4jhj has parted #portableapps ("Leaving.") 20:24:00 Sorry, I made a duplicate reply http://portableapps.com/news/2010-03-16_-_utorrent_portable_2.0_build_18620#comment-146258 20:24:52 i already killed it 20:25:42 thanx 20:27:44 anyone see where I set my coffee cup :) 20:29:12 * ZachThibeau set's down empty coffee cup 20:29:17 hmmmmmm 20:30:54 I found it set it on floor by chair....dang dog was drinking it :( 20:31:13 * JohnTHaller is a bit obsessed with trololo cat now 20:32:09 better go wash it and get a frsh cup bbl 20:36:07 *** Gringoloco1 (~Gringoloc@188.91.111.197) has joined #portableapps 20:36:10 *** AppGuy (~AppGuy@unaffiliated/appguy) has joined #portableapps 20:36:38 *** gringoloco has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20:52:26 Could any body tell me, if it is possible to savely back HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\*****\ ???? 20:52:37 backup 20:53:59 safely back-up... 20:55:54 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]) 20:58:38 *** MaienM has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 21:02:41 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 21:02:43 MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable, and he has a website at http://mmfail.co.cc/ 21:05:16 Gringoloco1: Yes, you can 21:07:24 What about SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{46986115-84D6-459c-8F95-52DD653E532E}\LocalServer32 21:07:55 HKLM, that is 21:08:03 what is that for. and what app is doing it 21:08:33 It's winamp, it's making me desparated 21:09:02 Some of those can be ignored. 21:09:28 probably the last one can be ignored 21:10:04 I don't think that one can, though. I'm unsure, however 21:11:46 The odd thing is, winamp only creates them if the user enters the shell options menu 21:12:18 even if they don't change anything? 21:12:20 even if the user doesn't set any thing, just by entering ? 21:12:25 odd 21:12:38 even if they don't change anything !!! 21:12:49 655 keys 21:12:51 very odd 21:24:33 *** Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 21:24:42 *** SrgSiler|AFK (~Kyle@unaffiliated/sergentsiler) has joined #portableapps 21:25:14 *** AppGuy has quit (Quit: Goodbye, My Friends!) 21:27:11 *** kai_62656 (~A@unaffiliated/kai-62656/x-7765177) has joined #portableapps 21:31:17 *** kai_62656_ (~A@68-116-106-234.dhcp.crsn.ca.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 21:31:40 *** MaienM is now known as MaienM|Sleep 21:33:21 *** kai_62656 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 21:38:40 *** Bloodsong (~Nimbus@bas13-toronto12-1167982884.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #portableapps 21:39:21 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 21:39:51 Like a bad penny I back 21:41:10 Having a heck of a time trying to create a launcher.ini file to handle a game I am trying to get to work in PAP format 21:41:36 nah pennies have value :P 21:41:36 are you using the debug mode ? 21:41:51 prgrom works good as long as I don't try to launch it from PA Launcer 21:42:23 debug in PA LAuncher? 21:42:28 yes 21:42:40 makes your life easy 21:42:46 never knew how or that I could 21:43:02 this is the onld one not the beta 21:43:33 the LAuncher 1.03 21:43:53 I got a shot of what it hooks when it runs 21:44:26 PortableApps.comLauncherDebug.nsh 21:45:20 so run that from NSIS portable? 21:45:25 Create a file with the above name, and !define DEBUG_ALL 21:45:43 located it into the source folder 21:45:58 and recompile 21:46:15 ok let me try? 21:47:12 ok and what use the ty 21:47:42 Don't understand ? 21:48:11 hey Gringoloco1, can I run some logic by you in PM? 21:48:37 yes, what do I do ? 21:49:08 just PMed you a link to check out 21:50:54 *** kai_62656_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 21:53:07 And... 21:53:33 did you click it? 21:54:40 Gringoloco1, ok created the file so now I run nsis and compile it? sorry I a bit stupid on this 21:54:41 You wanna sync ff from PC to USB back and forward, 21:55:18 JohnTHaller: You want me to have a look at Weave source ? 21:55:36 No no. I'm asking you if the logic makes sense in that IM conv. 21:56:46 *** Bloodsong has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 21:56:53 vf2nsr:Place it in the source folder and recompile PortableApps.comLauncher.nsi 21:57:48 Gringoloco1, I got that I am asking what do I recompile it with? As I said I am a bit new on the source compilation stuff 21:59:31 JohnTHaller: Kind of, sounds complicated 22:01:04 vf2nsr: NSIS Portable or Unicode NSIS Portable 22:01:37 Gringoloco1, Portable not the new unicode 22:02:08 vf2nsr: Either one of them 22:03:08 Gringoloco1, I still confused but will muddle through it thanks for info 22:06:56 so After I compile it I should not test but save it? 22:07:53 JohnTHaller: There could be data being lost ? 22:09:16 Gringoloco1, am so confused have not a clue what I am doing....maybe I should just give up and let the big guns do it 22:09:36 The user will be prompteed if it ever can't figure it out 22:09:51 *** kracker_wz (~A@unaffiliated/kai-62656/x-7765177) has joined #portableapps 22:11:20 *** kracker_wz is now known as kai_6265| 22:11:24 *** kai_6265| is now known as kracker_wz 22:13:52 JohnTHaller: 'Then get to work and sync USB to Work PC and use FF on the work PC', so you want to backup the local settings and replace them with the portable ones ? 22:13:57 Gringoloco1, I think I did it!! Let me try it out many Thamks 22:14:21 no, one overwrites the other. but only if the user wants it to. they have to specifically ask to do it. 22:15:00 And why would the user not just use FFP ? 22:15:21 Because many users also use a PC. 22:15:25 Or two 22:15:33 And want to run it localy where it is faster. 22:15:41 Not everyone will use this. Some will. 22:16:23 Ok, and the trick is to keep track of the newest files/settings ? 22:16:43 nevermind. I think something is being lost in translation. 22:19:57 Guessing the full IM conversation doesn't make complete sense? 22:20:02 > Gringoloco1, I Think it worked now just got to figure what to do with this info I got 22:22:09 > Gringoloco1, got a manual on how to interpret the error for me? lol 22:23:56 JohnTHaller:This part makes some sence, but I'm not sure what you want from me at this point ? Maybe it's the language ? 22:25:13 vf2nsr: The debug messages just let you know what PAL is up to ! Any errors??? 22:25:59 > Gringoloco1, yes 3 drive letter, registry and temp 22:27:05 > Gringoloco1, think it has to do with some dll it uses 22:27:47 vf2nsr: Aren't they just debug messages ??? 22:28:42 > Gringoloco1, yes they are but what do I do with the info the messages give me? How does these messages help me write the launcher ini? 22:30:06 > Gringoloco1, or it looks like I need to create an installer.ini file too 22:31:16 vf2nsr: One question at a time 22:31:30 > Gringoloco1, pps sorry 22:31:52 > Gringoloco1, would it help if you saw what is required when it runs? 22:32:17 > Gringoloco1, ie the reg shot of it? 22:33:11 vf2nsr: The debug messages are there to show you that PAL actually does what you want it to do ! 22:33:46 vf2nsr: And no sorry it's late here, almost bed time, 22:34:12 > Gringoloco1, np I figure it out I appreciate your help 22:34:34 vf2nsr: The way to learn is by trail & error, besides most information is already on the forum / web 22:34:41 > Gringoloco1, thanks and sorry to have bothered ya have a good one 22:35:37 > Gringoloco1, ttyl 22:35:40 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]) 22:37:06 *** gluxon (~gluxon@c-71-234-105-104.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 22:46:13 *** Gringoloco1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 22:46:26 *** dbdii407 (~dbdii407@64.1.77.88.ptr.us.xo.net) has joined #portableapps 22:46:26 *** dbdii407 has quit (Changing host) 22:46:26 *** dbdii407 (~dbdii407@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 22:51:13 *** dbdii407 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 22:52:11 *** Usbtastic (~Usbtastic@210.193.201.86) has joined #portableapps 22:56:34 *** Res2216firestar (Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 23:02:44 I notice an update (3.0.4) is available for Thunderbird. Is it safe to let it auto-update or should we wait for a portableapps.com release? 23:04:00 either way. the PA.c release will be out within an hour or so 23:06:43 cool. thanks. 23:07:09 *** pa_3372 (~cb348289@gateway/web/freenode/x-uneonogfxpinxuws) has joined #portableapps 23:07:19 hi 23:07:45 hi pa_3372, how can we help you? 23:08:14 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit... D:) 23:08:40 can u tell me how can make usb stick automatic start 23:08:49 what operating system? 23:09:13 window 7 23:09:36 It's disabled on Windows and can't be enabled for security reasons. There is a workaround... 23:09:52 It's a bit outdated at the moment, but a new version will be released soon. http://portableapps.com/node/13770 23:10:10 ok thanks 23:10:16 The second download there, you can set it to run at windows startup manually and it'll autorun the portableapps platform when you plug it in 23:10:20 *** pa_3372 has quit (Client Quit) 23:10:41 Can anyone recommend a portable Dynamic DNS Update client? (preferably open-source) 23:11:34 Not me, sorry. 23:11:45 Only time I ever used one was built into my router. 23:11:57 Usbtastic: the only thing I can recommend, is using DynDns.org in combination with DD-WRT on the router. 23:12:23 He wants it to be portable and follow him around. 23:13:35 yep, i have DynDNS working on my router, but i'd like to have one thats portable so when i plug in my USB drive, my web domain points to me. 23:15:43 *** marlop is now known as marlop|away 23:24:47 *** dbdii407 (~dbdii407@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 23:27:47 Grrrr.... Trend Micro detecting FileZilla as infected (PAK_Generic.001) 23:31:25 Another Trend Micro fail. They do that a lot. 23:32:55 very annoying when it happens on a work server... is it due to the executable compression technology that triggers the false positives? 23:34:38 Yup. And poor detection setups in trend micro. 23:34:54 http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/57e304eb9391bc0f76ac0967cd9b2f02f0f5d87025f400626f8651547880d24d-1269962162 23:35:09 time to uninstall Trend Micro! 23:35:22 *** ptmb has quit (Quit: Bye) 23:36:09 I find that Avira is usually really good about not detecting anything PortableApps.com related as FP. 23:36:33 I've got 3 files that have been detected as infected for a while now from KVIrcPortable V3.4.2 and I even submitted as an FP report that are still there 23:38:15 *** Horusofoz (~db5ac73d@gateway/web/freenode/x-litqpjuafosfjalp) has joined #portableapps 23:38:35 *** Horusofoz is now known as Horusofoz|Colleg