00:02:04 *** excid3|asus (~Chris_Oli@adsl-99-35-147-53.dsl.covlil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 00:11:14 *** Spaceghost has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 00:20:00 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 00:30:22 *** dbdii407 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00:50:17 *** excid3|asus1 (~Chris_Oli@adsl-99-35-147-53.dsl.covlil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 00:51:58 *** excid3|asus has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01:00:40 *** marlop is now known as marlop|away 01:06:10 *** scriptdaemon (~8bb60bc0@gateway/web/freenode/x-cdysvzgtgwlovghl) has joined #portableapps 01:38:11 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 01:41:53 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 01:47:58 hi JohnTHaller :) 01:48:04 hi 01:51:58 *** Ashhh is now known as yelhsA 01:55:41 *** yelhsA is now known as Ashhh 01:56:34 *** vf2nsr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02:14:21 *** excid3|asus (~Chris_Oli@adsl-99-152-38-224.dsl.covlil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 02:16:28 *** excid3|asus1 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 02:16:44 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 02:39:31 *** mtthw92 (~mtthw92@c-67-171-44-98.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 02:45:35 *** pa_8684 (~ad982892@gateway/web/freenode/x-nbkjfrfrjpjveuje) has joined #portableapps 02:48:29 *** pa_8684 has quit (Client Quit) 02:55:23 *** scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Page closed) 03:00:24 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 03:00:24 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 03:04:26 Hmm... I should release the PortableApps.com Launcher 2.0 Beta 3 now. 03:10:47 *** Mir_ (~Mir@pool-71-109-232-90.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 03:11:19 *** Mir has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 03:25:39 *** Mir_ is now known as Mir 03:30:05 *** Scriptdaemon (~8bb60bc0@gateway/web/freenode/x-elycljjbujykkvax) has joined #portableapps 03:31:13 ChrisMorgan: Does FileWriteN happen before or after FileWrite (or does it happen in order of appearance in the ini file)? 03:31:22 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 03:31:29 There is no FileWrite, just FileWriteN 03:31:38 They happen in numerical order 03:31:47 FileMove* >.> 03:31:51 I meant that. 03:31:57 Ah 03:32:30 Chris MOrgan, sorry about posts I have made an apology won't happen again 03:32:37 FileWriteN is before FilesMove 03:32:50 I should put a note about that in the manual concerning order of execution. 03:33:03 It does become fairly important when considering %PAL:AppDir% etc... 03:33:15 I'm having difficulties getting auto language switching to work (an oversight from before, I set the language variable, but I never actually did anything with it). 03:33:18 Yeah. 03:33:19 vf2nsr, that's OK, you're forgiven :-) 03:33:55 It's useful having people using it and providing feedback, things like that sometimes don't occur to me because I made it and so I know how it works more or less inside out. 03:34:08 Chris Morgan, I was just trying to help and guess I became to involved...and FYI I never claimed to be what I was not 03:34:37 Thanks for apologising. 03:35:13 hey ChrisMorgan now that you're online, have you given a test of PChat's latest Dev Test yet? by the looks of it it's only 1 person thats having issues settings not being saved properly and just wanted to know if I'm not crazy when I think it maybe him having the issues locally by having someone able to confirm or disprove the issue 03:35:25 Side note, in the manual there are some inconsistencies with FileWriteN. Some things that are meant for a certain type (ConfigWrite, etc.) are labeled differently between the help file and the manual. 03:35:29 Scriptdaemon, what do you reckon, is it worth a delay of a few hours for Beta 3 for me to update all that? 03:35:35 OK, I'll check that out now 03:36:21 Sure, what's a few more hours? =P 03:36:23 ZachThibeau, I'll try to take a look at it straight after releasing PAL2b3 (which will probably be within a few hours) 03:36:41 It means not getting to it before my (1hr) FIT1002 lecture 03:36:52 Especially for making the manual more readable, I'd say that's important. 03:37:00 ok ChrisMorgan and if you need a dll file (like this one user is saying) I'll send it to you via dropbox 03:37:10 Scriptdaemon: you tested the dev test didn't you? 03:37:13 I'll see how it goes 03:37:44 Both. I mentioned my trouble with the first one in the thread, and the second one doesn't launch either. (Haven't tried directly yet though). 03:38:15 Scriptdaemon: this is for the settings thing. did you have issues with the settings not being saved correctly? 03:38:27 ChrisMorgan: If I pastebin my launcher .ini file, could you take a quick look to see if I've made any mistakes that would prevent language switching from working? 03:38:44 Scriptdaemon, sure 03:39:21 ZachThibeau: Before or after 1.0.4? I haven't been able test 1.0.4 since it hasn't been able to load. >.> 03:39:27 to* 03:41:09 ChrisMorgan: http://scriptdaemon.pastebin.com/WvMkCCBa 03:42:02 Section=General 03:42:08 *** Spaceghost (irrsi@unaffiliated/spaceghost) has joined #portableapps 03:42:24 Or if it really does appear in the file as [General\], Section=General\ 03:42:41 Scriptdaemon: doesn't matter, since the issue in question existed appearently in the first dev test 03:43:00 K. I've tested with that before and it didn't work, but I think I might have changed a few other things since, too. 03:43:45 ZachThibeau: There's a lot of stuff to clean up in the Launcher directory alone, btw. =P 03:44:20 Scriptdaemon: I'm not counting that atm, final release will have that cleaned up my main focus is that it works 03:44:35 thats how I always done it 03:45:31 I'm getting the same error as before when trying to run directly, it appears. (libeay32.dll) 03:45:45 copy the dll's from dev test 2 03:45:52 the missing ones that is 03:46:12 I updated to DT 2, should they not already be there? 03:46:41 dev test 2 has them in there dev test 1 is when I thought I statically linked them to PChat 03:47:56 Hold on. Let me test language switching in Revo again really quick. 03:48:05 I'm still on the goal of making either an openssl release as 1 lib or dll file ala minissl.dll 03:48:43 Chris Morgan, so can you clean me out of http://portableapps.com/node/23243 as well please 03:49:08 Scriptdaemon, thanks, FileWriteN is fixed up now. 03:51:41 ChrisMorgan: Still no worky. :( 03:51:55 Scriptdaemon, how so, what's not working about it? 03:52:36 The idea is that it's suppose to automatically change the language of the app to the currently set language of the menu, correct? 03:52:44 Yep. 03:52:49 I mean though, what happens with it? 03:52:58 I have the menu set to Greek, but it still loads in English. 03:53:24 App\RevoUninstaller\lang\hellenic.ini exists, I presume? 03:53:30 It does. 03:54:00 Is it [General\] or [General]? 03:54:22 Former. All their sections end with a \ for some reason. 03:54:41 Want me to pastebin the settings.ini file? 03:55:05 So, once you've started it, you should have App\RevoUninstaller\settings.ini with the section [General\] and in it a value pair like this: Language file=hellenic.ini 03:55:58 If that's there, there's some other issue somewhere, presumably with the actual value you're setting being incorrect. 03:56:00 If it happens before FileMove, shouldn't I do it to the Data directory? 03:56:18 I'm saying that when it's running it will be in A\RU 03:56:30 The work is done when it's in D but then it's moved to A 03:56:35 That's all 03:57:01 Ah, I see. Checking. 03:57:51 *** excid3|asus has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 03:57:56 *** excid3|asus (~Chris_Oli@adsl-99-152-38-224.dsl.covlil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 03:58:16 ChrisMorgan: Nope. Still Language file=english.ini 03:59:13 Try changing the DefaultIfNotExists to belarusian... see what's happening (alternatively, turn on debugging) 03:59:36 Idea: work out where it's reverting and which value it's reverting to. 03:59:41 I've got to skip off to a FIT1002 lecture now. See you in approximately one hour (plus or minus approximately 10 minutes or in extenuating circumstances 10 years). 03:59:55 Have fun. 03:59:59 And will do. 04:00:08 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Quit messages are inane.) 04:14:21 *** excid3|asus1 (~Chris_Oli@adsl-99-152-38-224.dsl.covlil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 04:16:36 *** excid3|asus has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04:18:59 *** excid3|asus (~Chris_Oli@adsl-99-152-38-224.dsl.covlil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 04:19:32 Scriptdaemon, you are almost a genius you suggestion for RedNotebook is almost working lol 04:20:30 *** excid3|asus1 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04:20:34 Which suggestion? 04:22:07 about moce file 04:22:10 move 04:22:33 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|AFK 04:22:38 *** SrgSiler|AFK is now known as SrgSiler|Sleep 04:22:56 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 04:22:57 only problem is it created a user folder, I added another vaiable it saves to right place but still creates an empy user dir in data base 04:24:06 Has the developer released the next version yet? 04:24:31 It seems with the stuff he was going to add to the next version, you wouldn't need the FilesMove section anyway. 04:25:56 That was just temporary for now. 04:26:06 true it would BUt I just rethought the move and I had it wrong. I am anxiously awaiting for the new release shoulc I change this one to fix it as you suggested cause your idea works? 04:26:22 or should I wait for the new release from him? 04:27:05 He has not Scriptdaemon but he is from Germany I think so he is ahead of me 04:27:20 It's your call. If you have it working completely, then I don't see why not. However, if he's just going to update tomorrow or the next day, there's not much point to it. 04:28:52 I'd say go ahead, really. You really have no idea when he's going to release. 04:29:30 ok still working out a detail or two here see how far I get tonight lol if not always tomorrow 04:30:34 Indeed. 04:31:26 You know, having three roommates and only one fridge is quite difficult. Especially if all four of you pretty much have the same shopping schedule. 04:33:44 in the Move files it does not tell where to move to? 04:34:39 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 04:35:36 It should be in the format [file name]=[target directory] 04:36:06 Where [file name] is relative to the Data directory. 04:36:13 oops just reread something hang sec 04:37:01 [DirectoriesMove] user=%PAL:AppDir%\RedNotebook\user 04:37:29 Er, yeah. DirectoriesMove. You said file and I got confused. 04:37:38 me to sorry 04:38:02 that moves them but does not set the program to default to them :( 04:39:18 No, but that's not the point. It moves to and from that location. Before the application loads, it takes the directory from the Data directory and puts it where the file will read it (in this case in the application's directory), and then when the program is exited it will be moved back to the Data directory. 04:39:39 application will read it* 04:39:43 oh ok gotcha now 04:40:06 lightbulb just went off 04:40:14 suddenly I see 04:41:08 But if the program itself has the ability to change that directory, that makes it easier for the developer and the launcher doesn't have the move it around. 04:41:17 ok well with that fixed I gonna wait till morning if he updates then I won't if he doesn't then I will 04:41:26 Alright. 04:41:28 I agree thanks once again for help 04:41:34 I out of here for now 04:41:40 Good night. 04:41:45 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]) 04:42:25 *** excid3|asus1 (~Chris_Oli@adsl-99-152-38-224.dsl.covlil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 04:45:29 *** excid3|asus has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04:46:39 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 04:46:40 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 04:47:40 So much for one hour plus or minus 10 minutes... I think I'll have to go with the ą10 years. 04:49:05 Oh? 04:49:27 For a test worth 10% of the unit score it was singularly boring. 04:49:38 lol 04:50:10 I think there might be a problem with the launcher itself. 04:50:24 What results have you found? 04:51:01 First test: Changing DefaultIfNotExists to belarusian, it still loads in English. Changing Default to belarusian, it loads in belarusian. 04:51:17 While the menu is still in Greek. 04:51:51 Using debug mode: http://scriptdaemon.pastebin.com/V8a3q27n (while the menu is still in Greek). 04:52:02 Shouldn't the first one be Greek, and not English? 04:53:17 *** excid3|asus (~Chris_Oli@adsl-99-152-38-224.dsl.covlil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 04:53:19 Hmm... pull out Process Explorer and ask it what the environment of your launcher is like. 04:54:50 The launcher, or Revo Uninstaller? 04:54:56 Launcher. 04:56:06 Either would do but it's easier to work entirely inside the launcher (it could possibly help if you turn on debugging SEGWRAP so you can pause just after it's done the language stuff, but this shouldn't be necessary) 04:56:22 *** excid3|asus1 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04:57:10 Hmm. PortableApps.comLocaleWinName is LANG_GREEK... 04:57:38 Should there be a PortableApps.comLocaleName here? Because there isn't. 04:57:48 There isn't at all? 04:57:52 ? 04:57:59 Which version of PAL are you using? 04:58:55 First, PortableApps.comLocaleWinName defaults to LANG_ENGLISH. Then PortableApps.comLocaleName is read and if it does not exist defaults to all except the first five characters of PortableApps.comLocaleWinName. The code looks perfect to me. 04:59:39 http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/rev/e01ca71131c9 Should be that one. 05:00:55 Not the latest but it should be fine. 05:01:32 Want me to send you it in a .7z? 05:01:43 Yes, please 05:03:34 Hey, wait... you've got PortableAppsLocaleName, not PortableApps.comLocaleName 05:03:55 Son of a. 05:03:56 In your report of the debug message at least..? :-S 05:04:25 (Did you type it? Are you aware you can just copy the contents of message boxes with Ctrl+C?) 05:04:43 No, wait. Base=%PortableApps.comLocaleName% 05:05:05 I didn't know the windows would let me do that, now I do. 05:05:06 You just typed it up incorrectly with the debug messages :-/ 05:05:12 My mistake. 05:05:27 Yeah, it copies it with a bit of padding, title and all which you may not want, but it's *very* useful. 05:06:19 Companies trying to produce helpful error messages which people feel they should report put in a better way of doing it, normally a text box inside it so you can clearly see you can copy it (and just get the text). 05:07:16 Yeah. =P 05:09:17 Sent. 05:09:34 OK, I presume I'll get it in the next few minutes... 05:11:00 Hopefully. 05:11:20 Got it, looking at it. 05:12:22 And for the record, doing the same tests with hellenic as I did with belarusian produced the same results, so it wasn't a problem with that language. 05:18:57 And guess what, Scriptdaemon? 05:19:40 Without actually seeing the user interface, as I don't have admin, it's all working fine... 05:19:55 Language file=hellenic.ini 05:19:58 sklgdkdhlhkd;g 05:20:01 The change worked fine. 05:20:07 I'll try your compiled executable though. 05:20:32 Same thing, After: `GREEK` 05:20:44 Now I'll try turning off debug and see if it still works. 05:21:03 How incredibly odd. 05:22:07 Working perfectly. 05:22:14 Wait. Are you using 2.0 Beta 4, or 1.6? 05:22:16 Absolutely perfectly, nothing wrong. 05:22:22 *** excid3|asus1 (~Chris_Oli@adsl-99-152-38-224.dsl.covlil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 05:22:24 2.0 Beta 4 05:22:32 So am I. 05:22:34 What the crap. 05:22:44 *** excid3|asus has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05:23:07 Since it's the only difference I can see, how would having admin make it not work? 05:23:39 Hmm... that's an aspect of it that hadn't occurred to me for some wacky reason. 05:24:21 Try taking a look at the two processes in procexp just before and just after they've been launched to see what's happening with the two %PortableApps.comLocale[Win]Name% variables 05:25:07 I'd forgotten about that possibly important difference between our setups. 05:27:25 *** computerfreaker (~computerf@unaffiliated/computerfreaker) has joined #portableapps 05:27:26 computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback 05:27:36 Hi guys! 05:27:40 Hey computerfreaker, haven't seen you here for a while 05:28:00 yeah, I know; life has been full & busy. I'm fading out again in a couple of hours, too. :( 05:28:32 do you have a minute to discuss something about PAL, namely shared data folders? 05:28:40 Sure. 05:28:45 ty :) 05:28:47 That's something I'm planning on implementing after 2.0. 05:29:14 *** mtthw (~mtthw92@c-67-171-44-98.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 05:29:26 what's the recommended way to handle those atm? I've got a couple of apps that have multiple components using the same data folder (%APPDATA%\AppName is pretty popular), and I'm pulling out my hair just thinking about trying to work with that. 05:29:30 I'm currently thinking ..\CommonFiles\Data\*; problem is it needs consistency... 05:30:04 What do you mean, do you mean the string literal %APPDATA%\AppName? 05:30:20 no, that seems to be the shared data folder in most cases. 05:30:30 *** mtthw has parted #portableapps (None) 05:30:38 for example, REAL Studio & its Feedback app both use %APPDATA%\REAL Software. 05:30:53 Shared data should only be for applications that share data, like Subversion passwords or similar. Not for applications that just use the same directory. 05:31:03 Hmm; so do they use the same files? 05:31:14 I'm pretty sure they use some of the same files, yes. 05:31:15 And isn't the general idea that RS launches F? 05:31:34 that *can* be the case, but there's nothing stopping the user from using the Feedback app separately. 05:31:38 I don't think it's reasonable to require you to support launching F separately. 05:32:06 What more needs doing with launching F that won't already be done by the RS launcher? 05:32:11 netPanzer has the same problem; it & its map editor (I haven't tried the server editor yet) both save data in %PROFILE%\.netpanzer\ 05:32:25 %USERPROFILE% I presume; 05:32:30 yes, sorry 05:32:37 got my NSIS & env vars mixed up >< 05:32:49 It's set to German as soon as soon as the launcher is open on the first debug message. 05:32:54 - as soon 05:33:03 Scriptdaemon, is that what it's meant to be doing or not? 05:33:18 And is that LocaleWinName or LocaleName? 05:33:20 the RS launcher is actually launching the F launcher; it's cleanest that way, I think. 05:33:34 computerfreaker, but what more needs doing with launching F? 05:33:53 a lot of Reg entries, a couple of folder moves. 05:34:06 LocaleWinName. LocaleName doesn't show as I've said. I'm assuming so? Maybe it switches at some point in between, hold on. 05:34:10 What registry entries were they? 05:34:21 Scriptdaemon, LocaleName should be set a bit later on. 05:34:22 just a sec, I'll check. There were a lot of diverse ones. 05:34:46 HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\REALSoftware\Feedback 05:34:51 HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\classes\clsid\{de1f7eef-1851-11d3-939e-0004ac1abe1f} 05:35:00 HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Classes\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings [for IE trash] 05:35:08 EEK! 05:35:09 HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings [IE again] 05:35:15 ARGH! 05:35:19 HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer [yep, you guessed it - IE] 05:35:25 HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Classes\feedback 05:35:36 Escape while the going is good. Don't touch those ones... 05:35:44 which ones? IE? 05:36:03 and the folders are something else, too. 05:36:16 %APPDATA%\REAL Software [direct conflict with REAL Studio] 05:36:26 I've got a good idea. Create a dummy feedback executable which pops up a message box saying "Sorry, the feedback client is unavailable in REAL Studio Portable." 05:36:44 Hmm. LocalWinName shows as LANG_GERMAN when it sets LocaleName (from the .ini file) to ENGLISH... 05:36:54 And I really am serious about that. That way it'll stop the "I'll go and download it for you" and it won't make a mess (which it currently will) 05:36:58 ChrisMorgan: I'd really like to get it *working*, but I could probably settle for that. 05:37:05 And LocaleWin still doesn't appear in Process Explorer. 05:37:31 %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\History, %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files, and %USERPROFILE%\Cookies are in there, too 05:37:34 Scriptdaemon, does it run the Language .onInit hook 05:37:35 ? 05:37:58 Plainly and simply, computerfreaker, while it uses MSHTML it's a hopeless case. 05:38:11 I know 05:38:27 there's a feature request in their system right now - "make REAL Studio more portable" 05:38:40 And what does it ask about: putting in a different rendering engine? 05:38:58 a lot of stuff: data folders, a different rendering engine, and ideally no Registry 05:39:01 You're unlikely to succeed, but if they /really/ wanted a portable version they'd do it. 05:39:11 ChrisMorgan: No, just Init. 05:39:16 ChrisMorgan: I know I'm not likely to succeed, but it's worth a try. 05:39:17 Hmm... interesting. 05:39:34 It probably wouldn't be that bad, actually, switching from MSHTML to WebKit. It would increase the size though. 05:39:46 they're already working on switching to WebKit - a separate request is the 16th highest feqture request in the feedback system - so I've got a fighting chance. 05:40:06 Oh! 05:40:09 and size isn't an issue when you're already sending out an >100-MB installer ;) 05:40:19 Is it really that big..? Ook. 05:40:23 *** excid3|asus (~Chris_Oli@adsl-99-152-38-224.dsl.covlil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 05:40:42 Qt is worse, IIRC, and the .NET SDK is absolutely mammoth. RS is nice compared to those. 05:41:12 ChrisMorgan: for the shared data folders, I'm almost thinking something like WaitForEXEN would be best: ShareFolderWithProcessN. I could probably write something up in a few hours, borrowing a bit from WaitForEXEN. 05:41:15 I don't think I've ever seen a serious Qt app get anywhere near that big except the Qt Creator which includes everything... even things like MinGW. 05:41:49 I was referring to the Qt SDK installer, actually, and you're right about that including everything but the kitchen sink. 05:41:51 computerfreaker: I don't like it. Corner case, messy code. 05:42:06 Oh, OK 05:42:14 *** excid3|asus1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05:42:42 "Corner case"; I'm going to have to differ with you on this. I've already got a couple of apps that do that, and it seems like a lot of multi-exe apps do. 05:42:45 Scriptdaemon, I begin to Suspect something. UAC_RunElevated is telling the subprocess exactly where to start. 05:42:49 "messy code", more than likely. 05:43:13 Not very many apps are multi-exe. And most that are won't need anything like this anyway. 05:43:56 And that's stopping it from finding the file to be edited? 05:44:02 ChrisMorgan: well, if you don't mind, I'll write up a custom patch and leave it on Pastebin for others who might happen to need it. 05:44:18 Scriptdaemon: I think he's saying UAC is actually bypassing various segments of PAL. 05:44:20 Scriptdaemon: so you don't see any "Attempting to run as admin" debug message in the client one? 05:44:38 computerfreaker, try doing a custom segment for it. 05:44:54 I do, but it's RunAsAdmin .onInit hook. not Language. 05:45:28 ChrisMorgan: ok, will do. Want me to post it on the forums when I finish, just in case somebody else wants it? 05:45:34 I mean, do you get that message box twice (once from the outer and once from the inner instance)? 05:45:49 computerfreaker, I expect so. Such things could possibly have a place in the Manual. 05:45:56 :) 05:45:58 I believe so, let me check again. 05:46:00 thank you! 05:46:17 computerfreaker: Standard instructions, http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/launcher/docs/advanced/segments/#advanced-segments-custom 05:46:21 1 and... 2. Yup. 05:46:44 One straight after the other? 05:46:59 Or with "[Launch]:RunAsAdmin value is force" in between? 05:47:07 ChrisMorgan: thanks for the link. I'm actually fairly familiar with custom segments, thanks to one I wrote for netPanzer today. 05:47:16 Oh, yeah that appears before both, both times. 05:47:20 Oh, you've used a custom segment? :-) 05:47:35 yep, in netPanzer today. Worked like a charm. :) 05:47:46 *** mtthw (~mtthw92@c-67-171-44-98.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 05:47:48 What does the segment do? 05:48:05 All it did was ExecWait for XULRunner (IE vs. XULRunner again, and XULRunner won), but it worked. 05:48:26 Why does it need to do that? 05:48:45 because netPanzer apparently uses the default rendering engine, which means it left a big mess with IE 05:48:47 Scriptdaemon: have you tried DEBUG_SEGWRAP (http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/launcher/docs/advanced/debug/#advanced-debug)? 05:48:50 but not with XULRunner 05:49:03 So where does the ExecWait of XULRunner fit in? 05:49:09 *** mtthw has quit (Client Quit) 05:49:50 there were two ExecWait calls, actually; one at the beginning (ExecWait "$EXEDIR\App\xulrunner\xulrunner.exe --register-user") and one at the end (ExecWait "$EXEDIR\App\xulrunner\xulrunner.exe --unregister-user") 05:50:02 Ah. I see. 05:50:09 And that changes the default browser? 05:50:29 no, I think it only changes the default rendering engine, but I could be wrong on that. 05:50:50 that worked for RSSOwl, too, which is how I learned about that trick 05:51:03 So that could make people using IE at the time get messed up? 05:51:06 Erk. :-) 05:51:18 Same trick as Google Chrome Frame? 05:51:26 shouldn't mess up IE users. I'll have to run some more tests to be sure, though. 05:51:37 and I'm not familiar with the Google Chrome Frame trick, sorry 05:52:31 ChrisMorgan: I added DEBUG_SEGWRAP. Am I looking for the Language .onInit hook? 05:52:35 Yep 05:52:51 Yeah, I see it now. 05:53:12 About to execute and then finished executing, both in a row,. 05:53:13 *** excid3|asus has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:53:14 .* 05:53:35 And what's the status of the process environment before and afterm the hook? (You need to close and re-open the process properties window) 05:54:29 computerfreaker: try having IE running, browsing right through doing the XULRunner stuff, new tabs, etc. etc., sessions, completely new browser instances, etc. 05:54:57 sure, I'll try that with RSSOwl right now. I don't want to start netPanzer again. ;) 05:56:45 LANG_GREEK, the whole way through. 05:57:01 *** Spaceghost has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:57:03 And LocaleName? 05:57:13 It should be set already from the outer process? 05:58:04 ChrisMorgan: IE still looks OK. I did get one problem, though: "IE is not your current browser. Would you like to make it your current browser?" 05:58:04 Still not there. 05:58:36 s/current/default 05:58:46 computerfreaker, so what happens if you just try running from the command line or win or something like that, http://portableapps.com/? What browser does that open with (when it's the default)? 05:58:53 (Or probably even from your chat client) 05:59:36 Scriptdaemon: that is exceedingly strange. It should be being set by the outer instance. 05:59:49 Utterly unreproducible, too... 06:00:12 I've checked between every few debug windows (inner and outer) and it never shows. 06:00:13 (Bearing in mind that I'm not getting to run as admin) 06:00:56 This is all the outer process, the inner one doesn't show anything at all. 06:01:08 What? 06:01:42 The outer one should go through to "Attempting to run as admin", then the inner one should do it all again. 06:02:00 ChrisMorgan: it opened in Firefox. Then it occurred to me that I had Firefox set as default anyway, so I changed the default to IE. And pages open in IE, regardless of XULRunner's status. Looks OK to me. 06:02:07 It does, but nothing shows in the environment for the inner process. 06:02:32 Nothing..? Maybe I'm misunderstanding a bit how the UAC plug-in works... 06:02:50 computerfreaker: yep, I satisfied myself of that with https://developer.mozilla.org/en/GRE_Registration 06:03:12 so the XULRunner trick is officially clean? 06:03:33 Scriptdaemon, so when you open the inner process's properties window in Process Explorer what shows in the Environment tab? 06:03:49 Absolutely nothing. 06:04:04 NOTHING!? 06:04:16 * ChrisMorgan goes limp at the knees, trying to work out what's going on 06:04:26 *nothing*?? 06:04:34 * computerfreaker has never seen anything like this before 06:04:50 Scriptdaemon: I think you'd better restart quickly...? ;-) 06:04:54 I'll screenshot it if you'd like? =P 06:05:21 "I think you'd better restart" - the old tech support line :P 06:05:23 If you want to... Make sure the process list (or at least the outer and inner processes) are in it. 06:05:33 computerfreaker, oh, you've been one too have you? ;-) 06:05:47 nope, but I read The Daily WTF so I know these things ;) 06:06:06 I haven't been one officially either. Merely unofficially. 06:06:13 Being able to export these into a file would be just awesome. 06:07:20 You only need to see the language variables, right? 06:07:43 Probably. 06:07:53 But I thought you said there was nothing..? 06:08:27 well, I should probably go. Going to be a long couple of months. :( 06:08:31 I meant for the outer process, but then remembered I only needed the inner. :D 06:09:33 The outer should also have set PortableApps.comLocaleName though. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that if the Language .onInit hook is executed, it *must* be set. 06:09:44 bye guys! See you later! 06:09:49 thanks for the help, ChrisMorgan! 06:09:51 Bye computerfreaker! 06:10:02 *** computerfreaker has quit (Quit: Bye!) 06:11:37 Well then your launcher is calling you a liar. =P 06:11:48 the* 06:11:52 No, your computer is. 06:12:01 UAC? 06:12:22 It certainly shouldn't be touching anything like that. I can't understand what might be going wrong. 06:12:26 Actually maybe I can. 06:12:31 Are you running Process Explorer as admin? 06:12:34 If not, do. 06:13:09 http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/3869/brokeded.png 06:14:12 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06:14:20 ...Ah. 06:14:40 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 06:14:40 ... 06:14:57 ...Now there's stuff. >.> 06:15:00 there* 06:15:19 Didn't think about running Process Explorer with admin. 06:15:34 Apologies for quitting like that... it's all Zach's fault, PChat went beserk. 06:15:50 Suddenly it started guzzling the (single core) processor 06:16:15 What am I looking for in the inner process again? 06:16:30 PortableApps.comLocaleName 06:16:53 Ah, yeah, not there. Neither are any of the other language variables. 06:17:15 At what stage is this? And are they in the outer process? 06:18:50 Ah, wait a minute. There it is. When it expands 'english' to 'english' (why does it need to do that, by the way? Lowercase?) the inner process vars are all set to English, but the outer is still Greek. 06:20:13 At what point of time is this? 06:21:05 I believe it's the window just after setting LocaleName to ENGLISH. 06:22:33 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06:23:00 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 06:23:00 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 06:23:41 Dear dear... this is not good. ZachThibeau, PChat just started guzzling again... 06:23:57 Yeah, it sets all of that in the inner process at the message where it changes LocaleName to `ENGLISH` 06:24:28 Which version are you testing? 06:24:40 So in the inner one the variables are either (a) not set or (b) for LANG_ENGLISH 06:24:58 I'm not testing it at all as I don't have an admin password for this computer. 06:25:19 using* and I meant for PChat. 06:25:48 1.0.3 06:25:54 Up until the message I just said it's case a, and then at the message and after it is case b. 06:26:09 that message* 06:26:16 When (a) is the case it sets them all to the default values, (b) 06:26:29 Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. What is happening to the environment? 06:26:44 Armageddon? 06:27:06 I suggest that you wait till I do something. 06:27:10 And I never will :D 06:27:24 Ask other people to test it. 06:27:45 And if they come to the same conclusions? =P 06:28:09 Then I'd give up in disgust and hope that you could do better. 06:28:26 That's a terrible plan. 06:28:56 Possibly :-) 06:29:02 I really don't know, though. 06:29:09 I'm utterly bamboozled, et cetera 06:29:22 Get a laptop with admin privs? 06:29:44 Well I do have Vista installed on my laptop at home which I run Ubuntu on. 06:29:54 I doubt that it'd run though. I pulled its guts out. 06:30:26 I think I need to just shuffle the partitions around on my disk and install that copy of Vista freshly in a virtual machine. 06:30:59 Sounds good. 06:31:18 But I'm too lazy, busy etc. to do that for a long, long time :D 06:31:36 Pft. 06:32:45 Well, anyway. Off to bed, number theory & proof class tomorrow morning. 06:33:17 Good night. 06:33:18 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Page closed) 06:33:26 I should toddle off home some time soon. 07:02:30 Bye, I'm off now. 07:03:03 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Quit messages are inane.) 09:57:35 *** mtthw92 has quit (Quit: Bye) 09:57:56 *** mtthw92 (~mtthw92@c-67-171-44-98.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 09:59:48 *** mtthw92 has quit (Client Quit) 10:00:09 *** mtthw92 (~mtthw92@c-67-171-44-98.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 10:01:39 *** Twinkletoes|W (~chatzilla@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 10:04:19 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 10:11:33 *** taneth111 (~TaffinFox@CPE-143-238-107-117.lns9.cht.bigpond.net.au) has joined #portableapps 10:16:54 *** taneth111 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 11:04:49 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit... 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I spent most of yesterday trying to figure out how to transfer all my settings and emails to portable thunderbird. 15:41:44 I found mty profile but I can't open it 15:42:46 I have tried following instructions here but nothing has worked. 15:47:53 *** Bnovo has quit (Quit: Page closed) 16:30:39 *** TheWarden has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 16:32:00 *** TheWarden (thewarden@venhost.venmarces.com) has joined #portableapps 16:40:14 *** Simeon1 (~simeon@dslb-094-216-000-011.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #portableapps 16:40:19 hi all 16:40:27 hello Simeon1 16:40:53 looks like I have to get my nick back :) 16:57:38 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 17:08:39 *** marlop|away is now known as marlop 17:10:24 *** marlop is now known as marlop|away 17:12:26 *** Simeon1 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 17:14:02 *** Bloodsong (~Nimbus@70.50.177.235) has joined #portableapps 17:24:24 *** rouilj has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 17:38:03 *** SrgSiler|Sleep is now known as SergentSiler 17:52:44 *** Bloodsong has quit (Quit: Leaving) 18:08:51 *** pa_1079 (~41f64127@gateway/web/freenode/x-hezstvstqegeabmq) has joined #portableapps 18:09:15