00:00:13 i will run it on my xp vm so 00:00:22 Alright. 00:01:04 Do try all options though. 00:01:28 Unzip to the PortableApps directory on your USB or wherever you have the menu installed, load the menu in Greek, load Revo Uninstaller. Does Revo Uninstaller load in English or Greek? 00:02:01 This is also in debug mode, so all the debug messages you can just click through. 00:02:13 (Don't cancel any of them). 00:08:21 *** vf2nsr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:10:39 Will my build script (bash variant for Linux) work..? 00:11:12 Is that rhetorical, or are you asking one of us? 00:12:49 It was fairly much rhetorical. 00:12:58 All working except the installer stage... now why isn't that..? 00:15:43 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 00:17:25 Should all work perfectly now... 00:18:34 Interesting. OpenTTD doesn't load from the menu, but loading the launcher directly works. What'd I screw up... 00:18:43 *** marlop is now known as marlop|away 00:18:56 Possibly something to do with the working directory 00:19:08 Yeah, just thought about that. 00:20:19 Crazy thing: it's easier (/far/ easier) to build a release-PAL-package under Linux/Wine than it is to build it under Windows. 00:20:46 Unfortunately I'm going to have to go now. So building a CHM and releasing PAL 2b3 will have to wait till this afternoon or maybe tomorrow. 00:21:00 Alright. 00:21:20 *** BjornH has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:21:51 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Page closed) 00:22:54 *** Mir_ (~Mir@pool-71-109-232-90.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 00:23:11 *** Mir has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00:25:54 *** marlop|away is now known as marlop 00:28:28 *** BjornH (~BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 00:30:13 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00:40:10 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]) 00:53:52 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|sAFK 00:54:18 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 01:02:35 howdy JohnTHaller 01:05:09 *** Scriptdaemon (~8bb6bcba@gateway/web/freenode/x-csmravtxmwqspfjs) has joined #portableapps 01:05:17 hi 01:05:34 Hey JohnTHaller. 01:05:47 I'm having a problem with OpenTTD Portable. 01:06:19 The launcher runs just fine if I load it directly, but nothing happens if I try loading it via the menu. 01:07:00 Chris suggested the working directory, but that doesn't help as even in debug mode nothing happens, so I believe it doesn't see the launcher at all. 01:08:45 It's either working directory, or you've set up your appinfo.ini incorrectly. One of the two. 01:08:45 Nvm. Found it. 01:09:02 The latter. Typos are fun. 01:09:11 Scriptdaemon, what were the problem with Revo ? 01:09:19 appinfo.ini typo 01:09:54 REVO 01:10:11 marlop: If you load Revo Uninstaller Portable, it should load in the same language the menu is currently in. This is not the case, and it only affects when I have admin privs. 01:10:55 For example, I've tried loading Revo Uninstaller Portable while the menu is in German and Greek, but still Revo Uninstaller Portable loads in English. 01:11:20 i will test it tomorow, as i have to go now, bye 01:11:27 Alright. 01:11:31 *** marlop is now known as marlop|away 01:11:36 *** Res2216firestar (Sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar) has joined #portableapps 01:11:47 JohnTHaller: Have you worked much on the launcher? Chris can't seem to figure out what the problem is. 01:12:20 I have not. I have been otherwise occupied. 01:13:25 I see. Chris can't seem to figure it out, but I think it's a big enough problem if we want to put out some apps that need admin privs. In case we don't figure it out soon. 01:13:43 Admin privs is a relatively minor issue compared to 2.0. 01:14:27 Our goal is to get it working for normal apps in time for 2.0. Admin stuff is way secondary because we only have 1 official app that needs it and a couple in test,. 01:14:27 Alright. 01:15:16 I'll take a look at it myself again, but I already took a quick glance and couldn't find the problem. 01:15:21 Is it not updating the file or setting the env var it should? Have you tried dropping a custom EXE into the launched EXEs place to print out what it sees? 01:16:24 It updates the file always with the "Default" key in the launcher .ini. The problem is with the env var itself it seems. 01:16:47 Did you double check it by replacing Revo's EXE with your own to ensure it is being set? 01:16:54 In the outer instance, all env vars are set to Greek (for example), but then the inner instance they all get set to English. 01:16:58 (ie, figure out if it is a launcher problem or Revo itself) 01:17:14 outer instance? 01:17:32 With RunAsAdmin, there are two instances. 01:17:39 Of the launcher? 01:17:45 Processes, if you will. 01:17:46 Yes. 01:18:02 The inner begins after you've allowed the app to run with admin. 01:18:06 Ah, which would imply that env vars are NOT passed onto child processes when launched with RunAsAdmin 01:18:30 Yeah, but Chris can't see a problem in the code. 01:18:34 find* 01:18:45 That's my point... it ain't the code.. it's Windows 01:19:00 *** StatBot has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) 01:19:08 When you RunAsAdmin, it's not a typical child process... so it doesn't inherit the environment. 01:19:17 That's my theory on it. 01:19:50 Ah. That makes sense, really, since the code seems correct. Would there be an easy workaround for that? 01:20:31 *** Bensawsome has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01:20:31 None at all. It would need a pile of custom code in the launcher to pass in all the bits of the environment from the current instances to the launched one as command line parameters. Which is messy and would seriously delay 2.0. 01:20:39 *** Bensawsome (~Bensawsom@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 01:20:43 Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.bensawsome.com/ircstats 01:21:16 Hmm. I'll research it a bit. 01:21:40 I've not worked intensely with processes and environment variables. 01:21:46 From some quick research online, it seems that it may be the case that the environment is not passed as it is not a typical child process. 01:22:03 It' 01:22:14 s worth checking out with really simple code to see if that is the case 01:22:27 Well, say we want to just pass the environment from one process to another. What would that entail? 01:23:06 We'd have to create a way. Normally, it's just inherited, which means we do it with 0 lines of code. 01:23:07 So you' 01:23:38 d need to have the launcher figure out the current env, reconstruct it as command line options, launch the 2nd instance passing them in and then the 2nd instance converting them back to env vars 01:24:20 The first thing I came upon was to load them into a text file from the outer process then read them from the inner. Too messy. 01:24:39 Either way, it's something we'll worry about post-2.0. 01:24:44 Yeah. 01:25:13 Revo will have to wait then. :( 01:25:32 Admin apps are pretty niche. Especially something like Revo. The biggest admin apps are probably CCleaner (in testing by them) and JkDefrag. 01:26:10 I liken it to a clean-up USB stick, mostly. Not for the general at all. 01:27:06 Right, but even on that, stuff like CCleaner and JkDefrag will be pretty universal on that type of stick. But probably not an uninistall helper. I haven't needed one since the days of Windows 2000, honestly. 01:28:18 That said, I'm sure there are some folks that still like em for supporting some annoying apps. 01:28:51 Yeah. 01:30:16 Back burner it temporariliy until we get 2.0 launcher out and we'll use it to figure out how to pass the env from 1st to 2nd/admin process properly. Shouldn't be TOO involved. 01:31:08 OpenTTD will have to be the one I focus on more now then. 01:32:18 Unless, I may have thought of a solution to the problem I've had with Blood Frontier and Sauerbraten. 01:32:52 What's your stance on large apps anyway? I recall reading from a couple people back when the Nexuiz thread was active that it was rather large. 01:33:08 and thus according to them not portable* 01:35:12 We're ok doing large apps now, but will probably only due SF hostable ones due to bandwidth at the moment. 01:35:33 Both of mine are zlib, so that's no problem. 01:35:57 Yeah, and IIRC, the media bits are CC licensed, which also works. 01:37:37 I'm thinking about doing Xonotic, too. Since there has been controversy around Nexuiz lately regarding their future and their licensing, some community members forked it into Xonotic. 01:37:45 No actual release yet though. 01:39:21 Yeah, I'd wait on that. Nexuiz is in a mess trademark-wise now. And the GPL implications of that commercial launch are similarly messy. I'd wait for the Xonotic first release and we'll run with that. There's a solid chance that this incident will kill off Nexuiz as it used to exist anyway, like what happened with Mambo becoming Joomla. 01:41:07 Seems all the main developer did was allow community members to build up a name, and then sold off what he didn't even work much on anymore. 01:42:30 That wasn't the worst of it. That happens here and there in open source. But it was his plan of just blatantly relicensing all that code he didn't have the rights to. And that the company that 'bought' it seemed to have no clue how the GPL works. 01:44:06 I guess there was a post he made (which I didn't read) that said he tried to contact everyone about it, and that he would rewrite all that he didn't have permission to sell? Either way, Nexuiz as we know it is dead. 01:47:26 Do you plan to redo all the already official apps with the PA.c Launcher yourself (the ones that you packaged or the ones from inactive members, at least)? 01:48:14 I've become pretty familiar with it now, so I'm willing to help on that end if necessary. 01:48:17 As time goes on, release by release, probably. Not all at once, though I am repackaging them all in 2.0 format/installer (unicode) this montgh 01:48:44 Ah, alright. 01:51:18 Now OpenTTD isn't switching languages. 01:51:18 Bleh. 01:53:36 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 01:54:35 *** Res2216firestar has quit (Quit: Leaving) 01:57:07 In an appname.ini what is the proper way to call javaw.exe from the ProgramExecutable=? 01:57:18 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 01:57:18 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 01:57:19 you can't currently. 01:57:20 I had it a month ago and now forget :( 01:57:37 not directly from appinfo.ini. you can from a custom launcher, though 01:57:45 Wb ChrisMorgan. 01:57:50 Greentings. 01:57:53 no from the PA launcher 01:57:55 hi 01:58:24 you told me once before but I spaced it 01:59:45 OpenTTD doesn't switch languages for me either, ChrisMorgan. :( 02:00:18 I need more time to look more thoroughly at this environment issue. Different user causing root environment loading is what I decided it probably was. But a workaround is not forthcoming until after 2.0. 02:00:39 Yeah, John already said to leave it until after. 02:00:54 I'm just reading up on the logs 02:00:59 ChrisMorgan: I looked into it and I think the env isn't passed. So we need to manually do it. Post 2.0 that is. Either thtrough command line or text files. 02:01:17 Not the command line, overflow would be to easy to achieve. 02:01:27 Yeah, I know. 02:01:30 And anyway, you don't get that sort of control with the UAC plug-in. 02:01:49 So, this is all the UAC plug-in's fault? 02:02:02 No 02:02:08 It's the user/environment system's fault. 02:02:30 It can be managed in a fairly straightforward way for a given set of environment variables. For hopefully obvious reasons I wouldn't transfer the entire environment. 02:02:43 Nonetheless I'll avoid the temptation to fix it for 2.0. 02:02:51 Please do :-) 02:03:05 I'm avoiding further feature-creep temptations on 2.0 now and making a list of 2.1 stuff. 02:03:09 JohnTHaller, you don't seem to be avoiding the temptations of feature creep in 2.0 :P 02:03:19 Mind taking a look at OpenTTD? It doesn't require admin, so it shouldn't suffer this bug too I imagine? 02:03:20 "further"... ! 02:03:25 am now. for reals. 02:03:27 It shouldn't. 02:03:28 hehe... yeah 'further' 02:04:07 I've noticed you have a very lax definition of "about to drop," JohnTHaller. =P 02:04:38 yeah. pushed things back the past couple weeks. some work, some personal, some financial issues. 02:05:01 Yesterday I was just glancing through a book with a name something along the lines of "Rapid development"... I see lots of the issues it talks about in the way we both work, John :P 02:05:34 You should give that book to John. 02:05:49 heh. gimme 02:06:28 I've been reading books like "Getting Things Done" and "The War of Art". As well as "The Brain That Changes Itself" which is a pretty fascinating looking at neuroplasticity. 02:07:14 JohnTHaller, the problem with advertising Gringoloco's Winamp Portable is that he's removed the link due to changes in how the latest release of Winamp works... 02:09:33 ChrisMorgan: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1442139/Projects/OpenTTDPortable.zip If you could take a look at that and tell me what I'm doing wrong? :) 02:10:01 Also, I'm assuming FileWrite creates the file if it does not exist? 02:10:12 Depends on the FileWrite mode. 02:10:23 For INI? 02:10:31 INI does (I think), ConfigWrite doesn't, Replace doesn't. 02:11:25 If ConfigWrite doesn't, would it then be impossible to language switch on first run with some apps? 02:11:56 vf2nsr: in the PortableApps.com Launcher, you can set [Activate]:Java=require, [Launch]:ProgramExecutable=javaw.exe (see http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/launcher/docs/topics/java/#topics-java) 02:12:13 *** SrgSiler|sAFK is now known as SergentSiler 02:12:15 Scriptdaemon: consider DefaultData. 02:13:03 ty Chris MOrgan I thought so but it acting funky, I working at it though thanks again 02:13:08 Ah. Both of mine use INI-style, so that's theoretical. Though, does INI NEED an INI file? What if it's in the form of an INI, but is a cfg file? (Like OpenTTD). 02:14:18 bbl 02:14:21 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]) 02:14:25 Scriptdaemon: extension is irrelevant. Only contents is relevant. 02:15:04 If it requires those spaces (language = english_US.lng) then Key="language " and Value=" %PAL:LanguageCustom%.lng" might work. 02:15:07 might/should 02:15:33 *** Bensawsome is now known as Ben|Mac 02:16:04 Alright, I'll try that. Although, when debugging it says LanguageCustom is English, but LocaleName is Greek (for example). 02:16:18 *** JohnTHaller1 (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 02:16:26 Well, wait. I'm pretty sure greek exists, hold on. 02:16:30 *** JohnTHaller has quit (Disconnected by services) 02:16:33 Scriptdaemon, I'm talking about OpenTTD, are you? 02:16:33 *** JohnTHaller1 is now known as JohnTHaller 02:16:38 Yeah. 02:17:30 Another note, and that is that %PortableApps.comLocaleName% will be mixed case with Platform 2.0 Beta 5 - English, PortugueseBR, etc. And ReadINIStr is case insensitive anyway. So it'd be neater if you put your [LanguageStrings] section keys in mixed case. 02:17:53 And the ENGLISH=english_US is superfluous - if it's not there it'll fall back to the default, english_US. 02:18:14 what is english_US? 02:18:15 Alright. 02:18:23 JohnTHaller, OpenTTD language value 02:18:28 ah 02:18:37 Their "english.lng" file is UK, and US is english_US.lng. 02:18:40 App\OpenTTD\lang\english_US.lng 02:18:54 Sounds like their development team have got their heads screwed on the right way :D 02:19:27 Well, wait. Wouldn't it not be superfluous then? Because it *is* there, it's just UK. 02:19:43 So it'll load the UK one while the user is expecting US? 02:19:53 Scriptdaemon, the Default is for when the key is looked for, not the file. 02:20:09 So it'll look for [LanguageStrings]:English and not find it and so use Default and go home. 02:20:24 Ah. 02:24:01 Still doesn't switch properly, btw. It's expanding LanguageCustom to english_US even though LocaleName is GREEK. 02:24:17 (From the debugging messages.) 02:25:10 Scriptdaemon, considering what you need again, you should unset Default (and leave in English=english_US). 02:25:29 Then it should work fine (provided GREEK.lng exists) 02:29:09 Hmm... this USB disk (unless it's something on the system) has a habit of locking up explorer and various applications (PChat excepted) for around ten seconds every so often when it's busy... 02:29:34 ...Am I going to have to go through all languages and lowercase them in LanguageStrings? According to the debugging messages, it works as it should not (except it writes GREEK.lng, not greek.lng). So OpenTTD loaded in English again. 02:30:25 If OpenTTD needs them in lowercase and won't work if they're written in upper case, then you will indeed need to go through all langauges. I would not expect this to be the case though. 02:31:12 Or wait, now it seems the data directory isn't moving back to where it's supposed to so OpenTTD doesn't see it. 02:31:12 -.- 02:37:35 Meh, I'll figure that out later. ChrisMorgan, what I am curious about: how is it that it works without Default but didn't with it? What am I not understanding with Default? 02:38:14 I presume you had the files in App\DefaultData\OpenTTD\openttd.cfg etc.? 02:38:25 There /should/ be no difference. 02:38:30 gnight all... gonna get some sleep early for a change 02:38:59 Goodnight JohnTHaller. I hope to have PAL2b3 out before you get up tomorrow... 02:39:02 I didn't. 02:39:15 Scriptdaemon, where did you put the DefaultData then 02:39:16 ? 02:39:23 There was no default data. 02:39:26 Cool, looking forward to it. Will probably update Audacity Betra an release a LMMS pre-release based on it 02:39:37 Scriptdaemon: I mean when there was default data. 02:40:06 Also Audacity needs an update anyway, JohnTHaller. New release a little while ago. 02:40:25 There wasn't ever default data. OpenTTD creates it on first run 02:40:40 yeah, waiting on pa.c launcher, since it's still really testing that and not a 100% usable app 02:40:48 K. 02:41:04 Scriptdaemon: I thought you said you tried putting in Default? 02:41:14 Oh, you're talking about [Language]:Default. 02:41:19 Yeah, that. 02:41:29 If you look at the code you'll understand. It is by design. 02:42:23 Should I remove it from Revo? (even if that's not the problem, would it still be unnecessary?) 02:43:37 Something like this... $0=[Language]:Base, $1=[LanguageStrings]:$0, if not $1 **-->** and if [Language]:Default, $1 = [Language]:Default, otherwise $1 = $0 02:48:21 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 02:49:41 When it moves a directory from the Data directory to somewhere else, does it just copy, or should it actually move it? 02:50:08 Scriptdaemon: if it's the same volume it renames it, if it's a different volume it copies it. 02:50:42 K. Then it might just be that it doesn't read it if it is uppercase. Testing... 02:51:10 Put in a value Greek=greek and see if it works. 02:51:18 Yeah. 02:51:27 (Yeah as in, I'm doing that.) 02:54:45 Woo! 02:54:59 So it's case sensitive? 02:55:09 But now I have to go through each and lowercase them all. -.- 02:55:10 Yeah. 02:55:10 How strange (bordering on ridiculous). 02:55:30 Your friend: dir /b 02:55:51 And a text editor like gVim... 02:55:58 Indeed. 02:56:32 :%s/.*/&=&/ (then there'd be another regular expression to turn it to lower case but I can't remember what it is at the moment) 02:56:39 But then I don't suppose you need that. 02:56:43 It's valid to have greek=greek 02:58:01 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03:03:01 *** zukeprime (~zuke@71-20-16-34.war.clearwire-wmx.net) has joined #portableapps 03:29:05 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Page closed) 03:42:53 *** Mir_ is now known as Mir 03:47:55 *** Rapscallion_ (~Rapscalli@locsoftware.com) has joined #portableapps 03:51:56 *** Rapscallion has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04:06:59 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 04:07:00 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 05:33:41 *** Mir has quit (*.net *.split) 05:33:42 *** evilchazz has quit (*.net *.split) 05:33:44 *** ZachThibeau has quit (*.net *.split) 05:33:44 *** rouilj has quit (*.net *.split) 05:33:44 *** Ashhh has quit (*.net *.split) 05:33:44 *** GizmoBot has quit (*.net *.split) 05:33:46 *** BjornH has quit (*.net *.split) 05:33:47 *** Bloodsong has quit (*.net *.split) 05:33:47 *** SergentSiler has quit (*.net *.split) 05:33:47 *** sar3th|away has quit (*.net *.split) 05:35:26 *** BjornH (~BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 05:35:26 *** Mir (~Mir@pool-71-109-232-90.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 05:35:26 *** Bloodsong (~Nimbus@bas13-toronto12-1167984050.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #portableapps 05:35:26 *** rouilj (~rouilj@pool-74-104-157-242.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 05:35:26 *** SergentSiler (~Kyle@unaffiliated/sergentsiler) has joined #portableapps 05:35:26 *** Ashhh (~Ashhh@unaffiliated/ashhh) has joined #portableapps 05:35:26 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 05:35:26 *** evilchazz (~dabomb69@unaffiliated/dabomb69) has joined #portableapps 05:35:26 *** sar3th|away (sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 05:35:26 *** GizmoBot (~GizmoBot@gizmokid2005.com) has joined #portableapps 05:35:42 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 05:35:42 palogbot is the logging bot for #portableapps . 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://www.opera.com/) 06:01:38 *** pa_9831 (~ca4b049f@gateway/web/freenode/x-hxcprjzgzfhlemke) has joined #portableapps 06:02:11 *** pa_9831 is now known as xantheus 06:02:21 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|Sleep 06:04:04 hi all. need some info. been using U3 enabled flash drives all this while, this is the first time trying out portable apps. is there an app that can provide password protection to the flash drive? 06:04:18 xantheus: not very easily. 06:04:30 Will you always have administrative privileges when you're using your disk? 06:05:08 not necessarily. if it's at my workplace, then very much unlikely 06:05:48 In that case, there's no way you can have it so that you can run the applications in place on the disk - it requires installing a driver temporarily to mount the image. 06:06:28 However, if you just want to protect files and things like that, you can use tc_explorer with TrueCrypt or FreeOTFE Explorer with FreeOTFE - but you won't be able to just run programs from the protected area. 06:09:13 Ok, thanks for the info ChrisMorgan. I guess I'll just have to make do with U3's functionality for the time being. 06:09:44 If I recall correctly U3's thing was really no protection at all - a password which will only stop extremely unexperienced users. 06:11:34 Or at least it requires one of the higher models with hardware-level protection to avoid that. 06:11:52 U3's password is needed to mount the read/write area of the disk. Without the password, users can only open the virtual CDFS part of the flash drive, not the data part. 06:12:12 Hmm... must be at the hardware level then. 06:13:45 So you're saying the U3 drives are actually hard-coded with password protection, so it functions pretty much like a CD drive? 06:14:27 Not quite; I'm saying there must be a chip in there which controls it, and that it's not just left to software. 06:16:54 Without a similar chip, is it not possible at all to emulate U3's protection using PortableApps, at the software level? 06:17:20 No. Their software knows what to do to activate it, we don't. 06:18:00 Okay then. Thanks again for the info. 06:18:10 You're welcome. Sorry we can't help you much with it. 06:19:45 No problem. Just food for thought, if ever you guys could do something about it in the future. I'm sure it'll easy a lot of people's worries when storing their data on flash drives. 06:20:01 We can't, really. 06:20:45 Ok then. Thanks anyway for your time and assistance. 06:20:51 It requires the hardware manufacturer to do something about it. With hardware partnerships such a thing may materialise in the future, but just the Platform, separate from a hardware solution which it knows about, will never be able to do it without requiring administrative privileges. 06:23:25 *** mtthw92 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 06:24:20 Well, let's just hope something materialises with hardware manufacturers in the not-too-distant future. Keeping my fingers crossed :) 06:28:08 quit 06:28:12 *** xantheus has quit () 06:34:40 I think I'm going to give up on getting a CHM file out with 2.0 Beta 3. What I can produce is riddled with problems and practically unusable (and I'm blaming Sphinx) 06:37:58 Any objections to me quickly releasing 2.0 Beta 3 now before I go home? 06:51:46 RELEASE: PortableApps.com Launcher 2.0 Beta 3 at http://portableapps.com/node/23277 - now I really have to dash off home. 06:53:21 Release completed, tagged in hg, etc. All done. Bye :-) 06:53:41 TODO: upload latest manual and template package. 06:54:03 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Quit messages are inane.) 07:40:43 *** Space (libertad@unaffiliated/spaceghost) has joined #portableapps 07:44:32 *** Spaceghost has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 08:10:03 *** Space has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 09:13:58 *** zukeprime_ (~zuke@71-20-16-34.war.clearwire-wmx.net) has joined #portableapps 09:17:11 *** zukeprime has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 09:52:46 *** marlop|away is now known as marlop 09:55:31 *** marlop is now known as marlop|away 09:55:48 *** marlop|away is now known as marlop 09:56:54 *** marlop is now known as marlop|away 10:11:34 *** Twinkletoes|W (~chatzilla@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 10:17:43 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 10:17:53 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 10:47:57 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit... D:) 11:16:26 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@cpe-76-179-15-53.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 11:17:09 anyone good at deciphering software licenses? 11:18:21 looking to find out if I can make this portable http://pastebin.com/cUEWNEwp 11:19:08 ask the author i guess 11:19:28 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 11:19:30 ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!) 11:22:55 well I figured as much but was hoping someone might be able to decipher it and make it easier thanks though 11:23:22 hopeefully saving me a step lol 11:27:25 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 11:29:18 ok well I wrote to the author thanks for your help 11:36:03 Absolutely. ("Restrictions on Transfer") 11:36:45 Without first obtaining the express written consent ... you may not ... redistribute ... the Software Product 11:36:53 Let alone a modified version. 11:38:28 *** rcmaehl (~aab9e96b@gateway/web/freenode/x-jykrcrziqzxbwaok) has joined #portableapps 11:42:35 Thanks Chris Morgan I thought so so have written author. I can never decipher leageeze 11:44:12 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 11:44:47 BTW, you might also be interested in Zoundry Raven. I looked at it before (just) it went open source. Not much has happened since then, it's fairly stagnant, but I used it briefly and it's pretty good, with Drupal sites at least. 11:45:01 And it was pretty easy to make portable. 11:49:08 hmm ok I was just looking at this one as someonoe requested it and it looks fairly easy and straightforward 11:49:32 *** pa_7280 (~8ba84959@gateway/web/freenode/x-ufrbfroanhypquka) has joined #portableapps 11:51:04 Hello, pa_7280! Can we help you with anything? 11:55:05 *** marlop|away has quit (Quit: Leaving...) 11:55:41 *** Twinkletoes|W (~chatzilla@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 11:56:13 *** pa_7280 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 11:56:24 *** marlop|away (marlop@use.the.force.on.shellium.org) has joined #portableapps 11:56:35 *** marlop|away is now known as marlop 11:57:05 *** marlop is now known as Guest49198 12:03:06 >< 12:07:12 Has computerfreaker learned nothing 12:08:31 He went through all the trouble of making the math questions, but put the answers in an .ini file.... 12:09:51 rcmaehl: how would you do it? 12:10:08 And you forget that at the time they need to answer them the computer is locked. 12:10:23 And whatever you do they'll be visible to a determined person. 12:10:48 yes 12:10:49 but 12:11:14 He has it where it's checking the answer against the .ini file 12:12:30 I'm going to start working on where it retreives the answer via a seperate process, a small program that only the kidsafe program understands 12:13:22 and it will hopefully be done when kidsafe reaches 1.0.0.0 12:14:02 but what you said is true 12:14:17 * rcmaehl is stumped 12:16:59 *** Bloodsong has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12:20:36 I don't think it's an issue. INI is fine. 12:20:55 Managing separate processes is a really nasty way of doing it. 12:26:02 k 12:30:06 already working on KidSafe 0.33.0.0, has fixes for minor bugs and the use of "I" in the credits 12:33:08 *** rcmaehl has quit (Quit: Page closed) 12:43:45 *** zukeprime_ has quit (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )) 12:45:55 *** Spaceghost (libertad@unaffiliated/spaceghost) has joined #portableapps 12:58:49 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 13:07:03 Rapscallion_: I got an answer from them... 13:07:08 not quite what I was expecting though 13:07:16 cool 13:07:27 or is it? ;-) 13:07:31 no :( 13:07:46 "it's not their problem" of course 13:07:52 wow 13:08:15 Rapscallion_: http://gizmokid2005.pastebin.com/cSeiZTqu 13:08:23 grr 13:08:39 "Unknown paste ID, it may have expired or been deleted!" 13:08:47 Rapscallion_: yeah, pastebin fail. Here: http://gizmokid2005.pastebin.com/1G4UepRV 13:09:51 No real effort on their part at all... 13:10:03 exactly 13:10:06 and it worked fine in 4.1 13:10:24 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]) 13:10:48 "We hope there will be a solution for this prolbem soon." sounds like "Thanks for the email but we dont care, however if someone happens to fix it for us then great!" 13:12:25 exactly... 13:14:42 Any idea why there is an '_' after my nick 13:15:43 I'm guessing my client did this but thought I'd ask anyway when I was AFK 13:15:44 Rapscallion_: probably because at some point you connected while your main nick was in use 13:15:52 if you do "/nick Rapscallion" it should go back to normal 13:16:55 *** Rapscallion_ is now known as Rapscallion 13:16:59 ty :-) 13:17:41 yw 13:41:36 *** Spaceghost has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:50:39 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 14:10:50 *** Spaceghost (libertad@unaffiliated/spaceghost) has joined #portableapps 14:26:51 *** Rapscallion has quit (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~) 14:46:52 *** MaienM|Sleep is now known as MaienM 15:14:46 *** SrgSiler|Sleep is now known as SergentSiler 15:58:24 *** Kyle__ (~Kyle@69.182.86.245) has joined #portableapps 15:59:03 *** SergentSiler has quit (Disconnected by services) 15:59:07 *** Kyle__ is now known as SergentSiler 15:59:13 *** SergentSiler has quit (Changing host) 15:59:13 *** SergentSiler (~Kyle@unaffiliated/sergentsiler) has joined #portableapps 15:59:17 SergentSiler is a PortableApps.com Menu Themer, his theme website is http://silerhost.site50.net 16:13:24 *** TheWarden (thewarden@venhost.venmarces.com) has joined #portableapps 16:39:43 Is there any way using portable applications under Linux/Unix to still have file to application association? For example if I'm running Thunderbird and there is a PDF attachment that I can easily just open the attachment and it would be opened in a PDF reader off my USB flash drive? 17:01:44 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 17:05:57 howdy JohnTHaller 17:06:05 hola 17:07:22 anything new? 17:09:13 *** Scriptdaemon (~8bb60bc0@gateway/web/freenode/x-nafdzukilsoqdwdy) has joined #portableapps 17:09:44 Was .NET Framework just released, or is FileHippo jumping the gun? The latest download is still 3.5 SP 1 when I Google it. 17:09:49 4.0 * 17:10:56 *** Ben|Mac has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 17:14:41 Nobody wants to test OpenTTD. :( 17:25:27 *** excid3|asus (~Chris_Oli@client42-200.wifi.siue.edu) has joined #portableapps 17:28:03 *** TheWarden_ (thewarden@venhost.venmarces.com) has joined #portableapps 17:28:12 *** TheWarden_ has quit (Client Quit) 17:30:38 *** TheWarden has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 17:52:00 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.1.4/20091028075816]) 18:04:10 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Page closed) 18:20:43 *** Bensawsome (~Bensawsom@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 18:20:44 Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.bensawsome.com/ircstats 18:23:53 *** Twinkletoes|W (~chatzilla@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 18:36:59 *** tryzub (~b83ba8d0@gateway/web/freenode/x-jmcgkkmuvjhcaclv) has joined #portableapps 18:37:14 anyone home? 18:37:28 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a83-132-129-116.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 18:37:37 I'm having issues downloading just the platform and was wondering if there's an outage currently. 18:38:20 IE 6 on my company laptop sits there with no downloading happening, even when choosing any number of mirrors. 18:38:47 FF 3.0.19 can d/l it, but when I try to run, it's an invalid exe, according to WindowsXP SP2. 18:39:04 anyone? 18:39:14 Bueller? ;) 18:39:22 tryzub: if you're at work, it's possible the network is blocking it 18:39:26 you can also try a different mirror. 18:39:39 I'm working from home, not on the company VPN. 18:39:47 Hmmm, then I'd try a different mirror 18:39:51 I've tried several. 18:39:51 there is no known outage currently. 18:40:00 what's the size of the file when you download it via FF? 18:40:02 okay, so no outage...good enough...I'll keep trying 18:40:06 1.7MB 18:40:11 Hmmm 18:40:12 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|AFK 18:40:14 as reported by windows 18:40:23 that's correct. tryzub are you trying to download the 1.6 platform only installer? 18:40:28 yep 18:41:24 Try this link tryzub: http://voxel.dl.sourceforge.net/project/portableapps/PortableApps.com%20Platform/PortableApps.com%20Platform%201.6/PortableApps.com_Platform_Setup_1.6.exe 18:41:52 I just confirmed it works. 18:41:58 d/l'ing 18:46:20 *** excid3|asus has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18:46:38 it d/l, but getting same errors 18:46:47 it's a new image from my IT dept...will contact them 18:46:49 thanks for your help 18:47:17 no problem tryzub 19:05:11 *** Twinkletoes|W has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.1.4/20091028075816]) 19:23:57 *** SrgSiler|AFK is now known as SergentSiler 19:29:01 yeah :D I recompiled openssl as a single library I call minissl :) 19:29:59 and I think I can do the same with the gtk library too :) 19:30:26 *** Guest49198 is now known as marlopbot 19:31:50 should be nice to have my own implimentation of minigtk going 19:31:57 *** marlopbot is now known as marlop 19:35:26 *** Simeon1 (~Itunes@dslb-094-216-013-179.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #portableapps 19:35:31 hi all 19:36:33 hi JohnTHaller 19:39:26 and I think I also solved the issue of xtray not reading reading it's settings :D 19:39:52 1.0.4 is actually shaping up well, now if I can only get pal to work :/ 19:43:14 *** markomlm (~chatzilla@pD951375D.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 19:45:22 hi Marko 19:45:52 hi Simeon1 19:46:13 Howdy JohnTHaller 19:50:29 other than the minigtk thing and my appearent pal issues all I need a new gtk theme 19:52:33 the current windows gtk theme for gtk 2.20 is broken beyond belief for users on vista/7 running aero 19:52:43 too bad 19:53:26 looks alright in windows classic theme though :/ 19:57:53 *** tryzub has quit (Quit: Page closed) 19:58:24 gnight all 19:58:36 night Simeon1 19:58:39 *** Simeon1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 20:02:27 *** Scriptdaemon (~8bb6bcb9@gateway/web/freenode/x-hkinengmszgfpbra) has joined #portableapps 20:13:40 *** marlop is now known as marlop|away 20:14:45 Scriptdaemon: Good news so far with PChat, I recompiled Openssl lib's into 1 dll aka minissl.dll, and so far it looks like xtray is starting to behave by now reading it's settings :), all I need to do is recompile gtk and do to it what I did to openssl and make my own minigtk build 20:15:38 ZachThibeau: Awesome. 20:16:09 Btw, sometime this week, hopefully, I intend to do a mock-up of the tray in wxWidgets for you. 20:17:04 and I still can't seem to reproduce PChat's dev test not running for that 1 user :/ I've tested it on 3 pc's 1 laptop and a netbook 20:17:32 Not working for me either, but I can't help much right now as I'm doing some homework. 20:20:09 no worries, I'm going to update to beta 3 later this afternoon and applying my latest code changes of PChat to it 20:20:40 I'll test it later tonight after my Programming Languages lab. 20:28:06 *** markomlm has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]) 20:33:53 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 20:37:13 by the time PChat's development test phase is done I expect PChat should reach 1.0.5 20:37:35 :) 20:37:39 so basically 1.0.4 is the testing line :) 20:43:48 *** bill_pa_1604 (~60e7757f@gateway/web/freenode/x-tbptwmswjbtyzytc) has joined #portableapps 20:51:36 *** bill_pa_1604 has quit () 20:52:12 *** bill_pa_8891 (~60e7757f@gateway/web/freenode/x-wqbvxckxpjnakukx) has joined #portableapps 20:53:17 Is there an easy way to tell which portable apps need updating? I use PA intermittently. Many apps need updating but many don't. 20:53:43 Most do not, actually. 20:54:28 However, I keep a thread that lists the currently outdated officially supported app. http://portableapps.com/node/19705 20:54:45 apps* 20:56:07 bill_pa_8891: in the next release of the platform, there will be an updater included. 20:56:20 Scriptdaemon, what constitutes outdated on that thread? 20:57:38 Gizmokid2005, an updater sounds desirable and like what I need? When (guess?) is that planned? 20:58:03 no timeframe bill_pa_8891, when it's done, it'll be there. 20:59:14 Outdated as in the base app has officially been updated. 20:59:47 So, say we support PortableApp 1.0 and App has been updated to 1.1, now PortableApp is also outdated. 20:59:58 What, fail to release software before it's time? That is positively "undevelper"! Was just looking for a general timeframe of this summer or next ;year 21:00:37 We hope sometime before we're all dead. 21:01:06 bill_pa_8891, we don't give timeframes, then if they pass without a release, you get the backlash 21:01:21 it'll be done when it's done. What Scriptdaemon is talking about isn't what you want. You want the updater. 21:01:32 Scriptdeamon, I failed to be clear. I meant _my_ PA install needs updating; not that PA updates are late/unavailable/behind. Sorry for the confusion. 21:01:35 which, from the last I heard should be "soon" but soon is ver relative to the person. 21:02:06 Especially for John. 21:03:50 Thanks, Scriptdaemon and Gizmokid2005. I won't hold my breathe but will look forward to the updater "soon". 21:04:06 Until then, there's my thread. :) 21:05:28 The updater will be a welcome addition. 21:07:34 Nvm, I did misread your post. Based on your question, my thread is irrelevant. 21:08:31 *** MaienM is now known as MaienM|Sleep 21:09:13 Thanks for info. Bye. 21:09:33 *** bill_pa_8891 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 21:17:32 *** powerjuce (~powerjuce@unaffiliated/powerjuce) has joined #portableapps 21:17:32 *** powerjuce has quit (Client Quit) 21:32:26 *** pa_1114 (~47a447fc@gateway/web/freenode/x-frmymfgfwebwdjba) has joined #portableapps 21:35:50 *** pa_1114 has parted #portableapps (None) 21:37:51 *** pa_7806 (~47a447fc@gateway/web/freenode/x-nrahobqvmeseypqw) has joined #portableapps 21:41:16 *** pa_7806 has quit (Client Quit) 21:41:46 *** jrac (~62a2c823@gateway/web/freenode/x-sldokkaysqigjggm) has joined #portableapps 21:42:29 what compiler is used for a program so that the program doesn't rely on .NET or anything on the host computer to run? 21:44:05 *** Bloodsong (~Nimbus@70.50.177.235) has joined #portableapps 21:45:01 unfortunetly it's all about the programming language really, c# is used for .net apps and only a c# compiler will work nothing else 21:46:33 what about GTK#? 21:47:09 gtk# still requires a .net framework or mono (which in itself is an implimentation of .net) 21:48:01 is the MinGW compiler rely on .NET? 21:48:20 no but mingw will not compile C# source code 21:48:25 i know 21:48:28 its C++ 21:49:20 so you basically looking for a rewrite then, how ever using Visual Studio (assuming I understand your question a little better now) will compile c++ programs and default won't need the .net library 21:50:24 *** pa_4958 (~47a447fc@gateway/web/freenode/x-reqqskubpvenoyyb) has joined #portableapps 21:50:57 i think so, im looking into learning c++ and i don't want to have my program rely on the host computer to run 21:51:41 ok as long as you're not coding in c# visual studio or mingw will work for you just fine 21:51:51 ive got the CodeBlocks paf installer and MinGW paf installer from here 21:52:04 *** Bloodsong has quit (Quit: Leaving) 21:52:07 just a few things i didnt know about them yet 21:52:48 it should work for you just fine. 21:52:57 cool, thanks 21:53:54 not a problem personally I use mingw myself especially for coding PChat IRC Client 22:00:13 *** pa_4958 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 22:00:58