00:00:18 *** auscompgeek has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:00:41 Back to question time, how come VLC is in the list of portable apps? it say on it's own page if I'm not mistaken that there's potential patent troubles. 00:00:52 Of course, IANAL. 00:01:46 :o 00:01:49 *** Shanet (~Shane@218-215-221-165.people.net.au) has joined #portableapps 00:01:58 *** Shanet has parted #portableapps (None) 00:03:13 *** Shanet (~Shane@218-215-221-165.people.net.au) has joined #portableapps 00:03:33 where does it say that? can't say I've ever seen anything about that... 00:03:50 *** Shanet has quit (Client Quit) 00:03:51 pa_5740: I don't think any of us are going to be able to answer these question, we're not the ones making decisions about this and we have never looked into stuff like this. I'd (again) advise posting in the forums or contacting JTH 00:04:03 http://www.videolan.org/support/faq.html 00:05:21 Do a search in the page for the word patents and you'll see what I mean. 00:05:36 *** nick-1 (~Shane@218-215-221-165.people.net.au) has joined #portableapps 00:05:37 If I'm correct that is. 00:06:09 *** nick-1 has quit (Client Quit) 00:06:26 I should have said "patent" not "patents". 00:06:56 I don't see anything stating there ARE issues or even that there MIGHT BE beyond the typical "We aren't about to track down lawyers from every country to confirm that what we are claiming applies to you" 00:07:58 Like I said earlier, potential patent issues. 00:08:08 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 00:08:09 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 00:08:28 that's pretty much going to be the case for any software distributed globally, so I wouldn't worry 00:09:03 if it's alright with the FSF, it's alright with me :P 00:09:20 I'm pretty sure the only part applying to us is "May I redistribute a piece of VideoLAN software?" 00:09:28 since all we do is redistribute it 00:09:44 anyway, I'm really off to bed now, so bye guys 00:10:10 I wasn't thinking about the redistributing aspect of it. 00:10:25 Goodnight MaienM|Sleep! 00:11:04 or Good Morning, depending on where you may be. 00:11:21 Anyway, have a good sleep! 00:12:05 Back to VLC, my concern lies with the fact that it has libavcodec in it 00:12:20 which if I'm correct a part of FFmpeg 00:12:41 which if I'm correct, has potential legal issues. 00:12:53 VLC is GPL, so I see no issues there... 00:13:08 MPlayer uses it too 00:13:32 I meant legal issues in regards to patents being violated. 00:13:50 it doesn't include an mp3 encoder 00:14:22 and FFmpeg is also fsf friendly so there isn't an issue license wise 00:14:37 The issue is in all likelihood wayyyyyy beyond a mp3 encoder. 00:15:21 I mean decoders for wma, wmv, mpeg-4, etc. 00:15:42 I'm pretty sure something as heavily used as libavcodec has been thoroughly looked over for stuff like that 00:16:13 brb 00:16:15 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 00:16:42 Take a peek at this page:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libavcodec 00:17:05 And this one too:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFmpeg#Legal_status_of_codecs 00:17:37 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 00:17:38 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 00:17:59 And this one too:http://ffmpeg.org/legal.html 00:18:13 *** MaienM|Sleep has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00:18:29 well, as I said, that's the nature of distibuting globally... 00:19:19 But seeing how I'm in the US, it does effect me. 00:19:46 from that last link (the ffmpag FAQ) 00:19:46 Q: Bottom line: Should I be worried about patent issues if I use FFmpeg? 00:19:46 A: Are you a private user working with FFmpeg for your own personal purposes? If so, there is remarkably little reason to be concerned. Are you using FFmpeg in a commercial software product? Read on to the next question... 00:21:04 But the thing I'm concerned with is the fact that such information has not been stated by the respective owners of the formats included with libavcodec 00:21:39 if you have an issue mail the vlc devs, we just make it portable, we aren't the developers of vlc itself 00:21:50 or even contact ffmpeg's mailing list 00:22:16 Concerning ffmpeg's mailing list, I don't know how to do so. 00:22:35 go to their homepage they should have a link on how to contact them 00:22:37 http://www.ffmpeg.org/mailinglists.html 00:23:04 they also have two irc channels on freenode 00:23:49 I've seen that page, and one, my question doesn't fit in the mailing lists & two, I don't have a irc client. 00:24:46 pa_5740: use PChat Portable then thats an IRC Client I forked from xchat and there is also kvirc portable which is another irc client we provide portably 00:25:19 qwertymodo: which are the channels? 00:25:27 was xchat open-source? 00:25:32 #ffmpeg and #ffmpeg-devel 00:25:36 pa_5740: type /join #ffmpeg 00:26:03 ask them, they are the experts 00:26:08 and yes, xchat is open sourced 00:26:18 just out of curiosity sar3th, are you planning on looking into this? 00:26:21 yeah, I was going to say just use the web client you're on right now :P 00:26:51 pardon my ignorance, but what does :P mean? 00:27:25 it's an emoticon symbolizing the lighthearted nature of my comment 00:28:11 pa_5740: xchat is open-source but the official win32 version is in a license conflict, since zed isn't the original author he isn't allowed to change licenses of xchat (in this case the win32 build) he made it a shareware build and refused to share his patches for the win32 build, thus it's a complete violation of the gpl which it's licensed under 00:28:42 does that mean there's trouble on your end? 00:29:05 also, how would I get into the FFmpeg chat? 00:29:22 pa_5740: as i said, type /join #ffmpeg 00:29:27 so my fork was necessary, I'll be trying to maintain a build where it will equal the official xchat win32 build but maintain it's status of the gnu gpl 00:29:34 and no, no problems on our end with pchat pa_5740 00:29:52 I know what was said, but I don't know if /join #ffmpeg was a password or not. 00:30:07 I'm sorry if I was ignorant. 00:30:09 no it isn't it's a command to join a specific channel 00:30:11 if you type it, your client will join the channel #ffmpeg 00:32:41 so I type /join # ffmpeg in the bottom box and put a nickname in the top and I'm good to go? 00:32:55 no, you just type /join #ffmpeg 00:33:07 and then you will join the channel #ffmpeg under the name pa_5740 00:33:21 you will get another tab on top of your client's windows 00:33:24 *-s 00:33:27 if you want to chang your nick you type /nick newnickgoeshere 00:33:35 where it currently says #portableapps 00:33:45 so you can be in two channels simultaneously 00:34:05 Okay, thanks for your help with this! I'm sorry for being trouble with this. 00:34:16 irc takes some getting used to... I'm still figuring it out myself 00:34:50 sar3th & qwertymodo, are you in the forums? 00:35:01 yes 00:35:20 Oop, I forgot I'd already asked you that qwertymodo. Sorry. 00:35:33 no problem 00:35:53 yes pa_5740, i'm on the forums as well (even though i rarely visit them) 00:37:48 Alright, I'll see if I can get on the forums, and after a little more looking into this, I'll post my results on the forums (granted of course, the people I talk to give me permission to divulge such details). 00:38:58 Because I do have details concerning mp3, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 & H.264. 00:39:09 on an unrelated note ZachThibeau how's VBA-M lately? I haven't used it since I switched to VBAgx for the Wii 00:39:20 Which I hope aren't useless. 00:39:50 cus there's just something about playing on an actual console... 00:41:45 and pa_5740 I'm sure that anything you find out will be interesting, but definitely ask the ffmpeg devs... you aren't likely to find much else here beyond what you already have 00:42:43 Thanks qwertymodo! 00:43:19 *** ZachThibeau_ (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 00:43:39 but I know with things like MPEG-2, I was setting up a friend's computer from scratch w/Windows XP OEM, and out of the box VLC wouldn't play DVD's until I installed the DVD decoder from the gfx card driver disc 00:44:39 That's odd, I thought that VLC came with a DVD decoder. 00:45:07 Which of course may have it's own legal problems, but I don't know. 00:45:15 so did I which is why when WMP wouldn't play DVDs I installed VLC but it wouldn't either 00:45:50 then I installed the DVD decoder that came with the gfx card and presto both WMP and VLC could play DVDs 00:46:29 howdy ZachThibeau_ 00:46:48 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 00:47:42 Just out of curiosity, +GizmoBot has gone and said "ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com" twice. 00:47:56 Is this some manner of advertising? 00:49:01 *** ZachThibeau_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) 00:49:56 Was there a Zachthibeau impersonator here? 00:50:13 his connection probably dropped or something 00:50:24 pa_5740: it's because if you look, he joined twice in a row 00:50:34 because of freenode's new way of assigning hostmasks 00:50:48 he joined with the wrong host, then parted to change hosts by the server, and then rejoined 00:50:50 in quick succession 00:51:08 Huh, I guess I should have looked a little closer. 00:53:01 I've had my connection go out on me and get logged out/back in several times and you look and there's a qwertymodo, qwertymodo1, qwertymodo2, etc all in the room at the same time until the "ghosts" time out 00:53:21 qwertymodo: yeah, but it's a different issue 00:53:33 Ok, before I go, is there anything else I should about the legal topics discussed here? 00:54:37 I should have said "Ok, before I go, is there anything else I should know about the legal topics discussed here?". 00:54:50 *** SrgSiler|AFK is now known as SergentSiler 00:55:44 Awww, now I can't say he's AFK! 00:56:15 Just some addtional humor. 00:58:04 Awwww, now the crickets are here! (sniff) 01:00:45 Well, I must be off now. Good-bye! 01:02:19 *** pa_5740 has parted #portableapps (None) 01:04:37 *** pa_2604 (48a0b04a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.160.176.74) has joined #portableapps 01:05:07 Pardon my asking this, but what is public logging? 01:06:32 it means all messages in here are logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs 01:08:00 I ask this because the page that shows up before the main chat page that I'm in now says that there is to be no public logging. 01:08:52 My copying down the details of these chats I have with you guys isn't violating that is it? 01:09:54 FYI, I'm pa_5740 01:14:40 *** ptmb has quit (Quit: Leaving) 01:16:22 I don't mean to be impatient, but may I have a response to my previous question? I only have a few minutes to do this. 01:17:02 if you're being told that a chat isn't logged that just means it isn't being done, not that you can't 01:17:41 but this channel is logged so you don't have to 01:18:10 just go to the link sar3th posted and it's all there 01:19:10 So I can copy down the details of these chats? I'd download the chats, but they are kind of big and I only need a small portion of it. 01:27:17 May I have a response please? 01:32:02 Gizmokid2005: May I have a response to my question please? 01:35:11 Anybody? 01:37:02 pa_2604: yes 01:37:07 you can copy/download the chats as you wish 01:37:09 they are public 01:37:59 Thank you! Sorry for be impatient, but as I said I don't have a lot have time. 01:38:25 Bye! 01:39:09 *** pa_2604 has parted #portableapps (None) 01:46:57 *** vf2nsr (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 01:56:39 *** vf2nsr_ (~chatzilla@cpe-72-224-64-76.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 01:57:12 *** vf2nsr_ has quit (Client Quit) 01:59:52 *** vf2nsr has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 02:12:40 *** mtthw92 (~mtthw92@71-20-22-1.war.clearwire-wmx.net) has joined #portableapps 02:19:36 *** mtthw92 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 02:20:59 *** mtthw92 (~mtthw92@71-20-22-1.war.clearwire-wmx.net) has joined #portableapps 02:21:08 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|AFK 02:21:14 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 02:25:22 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Client Quit) 02:25:50 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 02:26:30 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Client Quit) 03:03:29 *** Kafkarudo (~irssi@r186-48-2-163.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) has joined #portableapps 03:03:52 *** Kafkarudo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03:06:32 *** gluxon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 03:17:40 *** OliverK (~WifiWomba@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 03:31:09 *** auscompgeek (~aucg@firefox/community/auscompgeek) has joined #portableapps 04:42:25 *** iHavezMyBirdo (~Acer@c-76-114-13-23.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 04:42:36 Didn't even know this existed. 04:42:55 by "this" you mean...? 04:43:03 Channel. 04:43:54 Eh, so I asked a question three days ago on the forums and no response. "Hey, I just have a quick question. 04:43:54 So, first I open up Google Chrome Portable. Then, while Google Chrome Portable is still running, I run the Chrome from the local Chrome. The local Chrome does not have the portable settings, bookmarks, etc. It's all the machine's stuff. Is having them both running at the same time safe?" 04:44:42 I don't know about Chrome specifically, but in general it isn't a good idea 04:44:56 Okay. 04:45:00 o.O 04:45:32 I believe they'll work side by side. 04:45:52 Try running them the other way around. 04:46:00 Loading the local copy first? 04:46:05 If GCP complains, then don't do it 04:46:07 Yeah. 04:47:22 *** OliverK is now known as OliverK|Away 04:47:51 Yup, both have their own settings, etc. 04:48:49 Hm, if doing that would cause conflicts, then GCP wouldn't have been set up like that. 04:49:25 Hm, oh, yeah, Chrome edits a registry value, for Google Update... 04:49:26 :/ 04:49:40 o.o That's bad for this? 04:50:01 Maybe... 04:50:11 It's changed back once GCP closes. 04:50:34 if there are global settings i.e. registry settings involved, then you shouldn't run them together 04:50:51 Well I won't do so just to be safe.. 04:50:58 because then both instances are reading and/or writing to that same setting 04:56:59 *** pa_5446 (d318b1b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.211.24.177.178) has joined #portableapps 04:57:06 hello 04:57:25 i have a question regarding PortableApps 04:58:12 Ask away. 04:58:31 once i have downloaded the .exe platform file, where should i run it. Install into pendrive of pc? 04:58:48 the USB i meant 05:00:07 hello .... anyone? 05:01:03 yeah, install it to the pen drive 05:01:14 what's the drive letter? 05:01:49 H: 05:02:03 okay, just install it to the h; drive 05:02:11 H:* and you'll be one your way 05:03:15 k dude. thanx a million 05:03:19 :) 05:03:25 no problem, have a good night 05:03:26 *** pa_5446 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 05:22:03 *** mtthw92 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05:33:13 *** n8chavez (~n8chavez@ip72-223-62-157.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #portableapps 05:33:16 *** n8chavez has parted #portableapps (None) 05:40:16 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 05:48:11 *** iHavezMyBirdo has parted #portableapps (None) 05:48:40 *** auscompgeek has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:52:52 *** OliverK|Away has quit (Quit: so long and thanks for all the fish) 07:17:08 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 07:17:08 MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable. 07:17:08 MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable. 08:03:33 *** auscompgeek (~aucg@firefox/community/auscompgeek) has joined #portableapps 08:47:26 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 09:25:16 *** cewbakka (~cewbakka@port-92-198-63-54.static.qsc.de) has joined #portableapps 09:27:03 *** cewbakka has quit (Client Quit) 10:42:07 *** qwertymodo1 (~Ben@216.115.8.130) has joined #portableapps 10:42:45 *** qwertymodo1 has quit (Client Quit) 10:45:35 *** qwertymodo has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 11:55:24 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 12:16:17 *** MaienM_ (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 12:16:32 *** MaienM has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 12:50:20 *** rouilj1 (~rouilj@pool-74-104-157-242.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 13:09:21 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 13:42:09 *** shanet (dad7c936@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.215.201.54) has joined #portableapps 13:52:16 *** MaienM_ is now known as MaienM|Gone 13:54:33 wow. u ppl sit here all day waiting for an almost completely inactive IRC to do something? wow. 13:54:54 shanet: ? 13:55:02 hello? 13:55:10 hi 13:55:23 hey 13:55:48 does it get boring waiting 4 a person 2 come along and talk? 13:56:09 most of the people in here are idling, or not even here...some of us just have an IRC client running in the background. 13:56:37 myself, I work at a computer all day long for my job, from home, and I've got two monitors, so I'm usually around...and not really /waiting/ for someone to come around. 13:56:48 yeah i no, i wouldnt sit here just watching te screen, but just having it up, getting in the way 13:56:56 wow 13:57:00 what do you do? 13:57:12 telecommute :) 13:57:21 your own business? 13:58:06 nope, I wish 13:58:13 haha 13:58:24 do u mind me asking who you work 4? 13:58:37 an ISP in Michigan 13:58:43 I run our billing system and reporting systems. 13:58:49 oh. wow 13:58:56 sounds interesting. 13:59:07 it can be 13:59:11 it's also endlessly frustrating at times 13:59:11 so michigan is on the west coast of the US, right? 13:59:18 yeah. 13:59:22 nope, East...but /technically/ the midwest 13:59:28 I'm from Australia 13:59:30 ok. 13:59:49 So it'd be about 10 am over there? 13:59:57 pretty much :) 14:00:06 cool :) 14:00:16 im so tired 14:00:31 i pulled an all nighter. 14:01:22 I thought that the old version of portableapp conversion was the better way. I thought that the launcher generator out now is just for people who don't really want to distribute. 14:02:15 I thought that if I was to distribute i'd have to learn NSIS or something. So whilst I was probably doing it all correctly, I did not have the correct launcher generator. 14:02:30 it was a long night. 14:02:48 haha 14:02:49 yeah 14:02:55 But now im happy now that I know i dont have to learn another programming lang 14:03:02 Im learning C++ at the moment 14:03:04 the new PAL (PortableApps.com Launcer) is the "new" way of making launchers for applications 14:03:26 NSIS is really quite easy...if you know how to program, at least the basics, it's second nature basically 14:03:29 yeah. i thought it was the easy way and less stable 14:03:40 I am a script kiddie. 14:03:41 just look at how other launchers work, their source, and it's pretty easy 14:03:44 i can batch 14:03:55 Thats exactly what I did. 14:04:06 I got pretty shafted though, the first major launcher that I ever worked on was the most complicated launcher that PortableApps.com has to date... 14:04:11 I had launcher templates, I have 4 GB of portablapps 14:04:17 *** MaienM|Gone has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14:04:27 I've got about 6GB worth, but some of that is just data for them. 14:04:30 I was looking at the firefox scripts, google chrome, 14:04:35 yeah. Same here. 14:05:01 What I have done is just created a template and customized it for my own use. 14:05:26 Then I just copy and paste it as I want to make something portable 14:05:34 change all the data 14:05:56 and I can get a portableapp knocked out in half an hour without any distractions. 14:06:13 yeah...it's pretty easy 14:06:16 And until a few hours ago i thought i was doing it the less stable way. 14:06:17 that's basically what the PAL is for 14:06:21 yep 14:06:30 just create a launcher.ini with the appropriate info, and voila, launcher haven 14:06:37 I have 3 launchers up at the moment 14:06:43 *portableappa 14:06:56 that are legally up 14:07:11 I have done photoshop CS3, 14:07:20 that was actually fairly easy 14:07:55 Dont know if youve ever heard of BumpTop? 14:08:06 I made that portable too. Just a matter of the appdata 14:08:10 Just remember, you can redistribute anything that's CS3, or really commerically licensed. 14:08:23 yeah i know. 14:08:27 you can use it for yourself, but even then the legality is questionable depending on the app 14:08:30 i havent redist it. 14:08:34 yeah 14:08:40 just making sure...you'd be surprised at the number of people who think otherwise 14:08:55 well technically, they say we cant redist the software. Thats ok. 14:09:10 And we're not allowed to modify the software. 14:09:13 Thats ok. 14:09:32 Because all we are doing is modifying the operating environment around it. 14:09:46 I see it sorta like a bubble with a pearl inside. 14:10:06 yeah, just remember, most companies don't see it that way. 14:10:30 We can do anything to the bubble to be able to see/touch the pearl, but we are not allowed to change the pearl inside. 14:10:32 yeah 14:10:40 thats true. 14:11:13 But we technically dont edit their software, and as long as we don't redistribute it, we have fouled nothing against their EULA. 14:11:31 yeah, if you don't redist, they'll never know 14:12:01 The only way I can think of them stopping it is by stating you can not convert it, or you must install it to the following foleder;. 14:12:38 But that doesnt matter. ill never redist it. I just did it, created the installer then deleted it. 14:12:51 Do you have any projects up? 14:13:23 Songbird and KVIrc are my two projects 14:13:28 Songbird being the most complex to date 14:13:49 Ok. I think ive heard about songbird being a pain in the a*** 14:14:41 I dont think i have spoken to you before, but the person doing songbird has told me. So unless there is someone else doing soiongbird as well... 14:15:02 yeah....took me a while to get the launcher working right...not only are there registry entries, folders to move, and hex file editing, there's also sqlite editing, etc... 14:15:09 Ryan McCue was working on it previously, before 1.0 14:15:18 I took it over and got it going. 14:15:23 So what does songbird want out of you>? appdata? registry? left arm and right leg? 14:15:26 ok 14:15:38 hex editing? what would you do that for? 14:15:39 Left arm, left leg, right kidney, and my first 3 kids actually 14:15:51 haha. 14:15:53 shame 14:16:13 actually I read that JTH donated a kidney to his father i think it is? 14:16:15 but I fought a good fight and got away with only a few scratches, tears, and lots of time. 14:16:36 ha. next time take in the buzookas! 14:16:50 Hahah, hopefully there won't be a NEXT time for something like that. lol 14:16:56 Next on my list is a VNC viewer 14:17:03 cant firefox take songbird down? or thunderbird? 14:17:07 ok. 14:17:12 hey i got it. 14:17:17 I was going to tackle UltraVNC, but they seem to be unresponsive, so I'm looking at possibly finishing up TightVNC 14:17:25 what do you mean, "take songbird down?" 14:17:39 dont worru 14:17:42 *worry 14:17:57 I dont really like ultraVNC that much 14:18:05 it doesnt work for me 14:18:19 I prefer backdoor trojans 14:18:20 jks 14:18:24 I've never actually used it.. dbdii407 had worked on TightVNC a long time ago, but never finished it up...so I have a start 14:19:00 Thts good. A solid start is always good 14:19:28 Sometimes. 14:19:31 what i need to find out is how to store settings with an app that does not save settings :P 14:19:38 I had to rewrite Songbird's launcher from scratch 14:19:51 well, if the app doesn't save settings at all...you can't really.. 14:19:51 wow. u mean from the coding level? 14:19:59 but most do, either in the registry or files somewhere 14:20:06 i no. thats how much of a pain it is. 14:20:26 No, it doesnt even store a single digit of binary :( 14:20:31 well, I just had to start the launcher over...I pretty much used the FireFox launcher as a base, since Songbird's web browser is built on it, a LOT was similar 14:20:38 ill contact the author 1 day 14:20:42 weird...in the local version does it retain your settings? 14:20:49 no 14:21:04 ahh...then it's an app problem 14:21:21 i think the author released it without actually testing it properly 14:21:42 that happens 14:21:43 yeah. i just knocked it into format for 1 day when i decides to work 14:21:45 more often than it should 14:21:50 shame 14:22:07 so are you saying you are writing the launcher from the ground up? 14:22:36 meh...not so much 14:22:44 kk. 14:22:47 I had to pretty much scrap the previous launcher that was created for songbird 14:22:53 and modify FireFox's launcher to do what I needed. 14:23:03 ok. 14:23:04 so I didn't have to completely rewrite it...but it was a lot of work 14:23:21 Do you know when the platform is gonna be released? 14:24:27 shanet: if we go from what John said in his blog post, I do believe we should expect it by the end of this weekend....but nobody but he /really/ knows 14:24:52 ok. Just really eager to get my hands on it. 14:24:58 we all are 14:24:58 as im sure lots of others are 14:25:12 I have got the beta version. 14:25:23 beta 4. 14:25:31 works seamlessly, 14:25:38 shanet: beta 5 is what he's working on next: http://portableapps.com/node/24104 14:25:50 yeah, john is good about releasing stable stuff, even if it is beta 14:26:01 But by the sounds of it the next vversion is gonna have other things in it. 14:26:12 yeah 14:26:18 there's a lot of stuff yet to be included for the final 14:26:42 ok. I thought that was final? 14:27:12 i just cant wait 14:27:18 wanna sleep the hours off 14:27:38 haha 14:27:39 nope 14:27:54 oh well 14:29:15 if theres 1 thing i must say about JTH its that he likes to make sure things are good before release 14:29:21 yup 14:30:00 and he must secretly enjoy sitting there with portableapps 2.0 beta 5 platform laughing at us and teasing us. 14:30:03 nah. 14:30:09 haha 14:30:11 sometimes we wonder 14:30:14 it just feels like forever 14:30:41 it would be saddening to the point of being funny 14:30:55 to know he's just sitting there with it finished 14:30:58 yeah 14:31:03 and mking us think its not 14:31:05 honestly I don't think he is... 14:31:10 no 14:31:13 neither do i 14:31:13 but I can't say for sure...pure speculation 14:31:22 it would just be funny. 14:31:31 haha true 14:31:58 well he's a very selfless man. look at what time he has given to portableapps.com 14:32:06 and all for fre 14:32:14 have you heard of codysafe? 14:33:30 yes he has.. 14:33:33 and yep, I have. 14:33:35 never used it though 14:35:05 i have reason to believe its portableapps platform remade. 14:35:15 its a bit better in some aspects 14:35:52 it has the favourite apps on the front then sort of like an all programs thing 14:36:13 but they make you pay money for a slight version up. 14:36:22 i reckon its a rip, 14:36:34 it probably is 14:36:43 but PA.c is OSS 14:36:54 anyone can do that, if they so desire 14:37:17 i no but dont they have to say somewhere where they got it? 14:37:19 so long as they don't reuse the trademarks 14:37:38 they should say original source code from portableapps.com 14:37:43 oh well/ 14:38:00 i have actually downloaded the source for portableapps.com platform. 14:38:13 i think ill leave it to those who know what they are doing 14:38:50 yeah 14:38:52 same here 14:39:12 Do you know what lang the platform is? 14:39:31 Delphi 14:39:38 oh. wow 14:39:50 not quite as good as c++ tho... 14:40:00 nah its good 14:40:47 it was a bit of hunting to find the source for the platform 14:40:53 yeah 14:42:01 uurghhh windows explorer is not responding... 14:45:46 I hate that 14:45:56 yeah 14:46:11 I love when people try to compare apples to oranges 14:46:23 or say that Notebooks and netbooks are the same thing and can be compared 14:46:50 haha lol 14:47:49 i know some1 who reckons hes a hacker coz he opened a batch script and chaged a value' 14:47:51 and then say it's because I use an apple that I'm wrong 14:48:43 he reckons the netbooks use an OS that the company owns like if its an acer netbook that it runs acer OS, and that notebooks run windows 14:49:19 have a look at this 14:49:20 http://www.lupopensuite.com/base/popular.htm 14:49:32 yeah, Lupo isn't highly regarded around here. 14:49:41 go down to where it says multimedia and choose songbird. 14:49:53 yeah i no i dont like it that much 14:50:39 looks like lupo is portableapps.com platform as well just without the eject button 14:52:03 it pretty much is 14:52:08 most of that stuff links back to us anyways 14:54:19 yeah 14:54:48 delphi appears to be similar to c. 14:55:03