00:11:48 *** BjornH has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:22:23 *** gluxon (~gluxon@c-71-234-105-104.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 00:38:44 *** ptmb has quit (Quit: Bye) 00:48:03 *** Bensawsome has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00:48:18 *** Bensawsome (~Bensawsom@c-76-24-226-134.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 00:48:24 Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.bensawsome.com/ircstats 00:48:46 *** Bensawsome is now known as Guest39542 01:03:53 *** doctorfrog (~doctorfro@c-67-170-244-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 01:05:17 *** doctorfrog has parted #portableapps (None) 01:05:26 *** Guest39542 has quit (Changing host) 01:05:26 *** Guest39542 (~Bensawsom@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 01:05:31 *** Guest39542 is now known as Bensawsome 01:26:35 *** pa_7632 (ca7d6cf7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.125.108.247) has joined #portableapps 01:27:26 Hi, I may have found a rather dangerous bug in Pidgin. Can i give details here? 01:31:27 Sure. 01:32:47 paste a URL into a Pidgin chat window, then amend the URL and click send. The received message with the URL will be orginal URL 01:33:01 means the URL can be 'masked' 01:33:16 the actual real URL can be seen by hovering over the link 01:33:24 seems a bit dangerous to me.... 01:33:43 I wonder if it's always done that or if it's a 'feature' 01:38:40 *** x__ (~x@c-71-193-180-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 01:42:34 *** x_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 01:43:24 pa_7632: Looks like it's a feature, sorry for the late reply 01:44:09 *** Mir has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01:44:54 gluxon: ok fair enough. thanks. 01:45:19 BTW, could you give me an example url? 01:45:48 *** pa_5740 (627d2ece@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.125.46.206) has joined #portableapps 01:45:48 yep, one sec. 01:47:21 gluxon: paste in chat: http://www.example.com:80/hello.html 01:47:34 *** Mir (~Mir@pool-71-109-150-191.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 01:47:35 then amend to: http://www.example.org:80/hello.html 01:48:30 the first URL is the one to be shown to the receiver, but when clicked on, takes you to the amended URL (.org instead of .com) 01:49:37 pa_5740: it works for me as it should 01:49:45 The pidgin logs show this: http://www.example.org:80/hello.html (http://www.example.com:80/hello.html) 01:49:52 I pasted http://www.example.com:80/hello.html, edited it to be http://www.example.org:80/hello.html and it shows the .org 01:49:57 http://www.example.com:80/hello.html 01:50:04 gluxon: You said in your post on this thread here: http://portableapps.com/node/24347 01:50:08 gluxon: That I double posted. May I ask where this PortableApps.com Platform Beta 5 topic is? 01:50:22 gluxon: If you don't mind. 01:50:38 finding it. 01:51:14 pa_7632: it works like it should for me, the chat window and logs show the correct url (.org) 01:51:34 pa_7632: are you sure it's not a plugin you're using? What version of pidgin are you using? 01:52:01 Gizmokid2005: strange that it doesnt work for me. Maybe I'll try a fresh install of pidgin portable. 01:52:20 pa_7632: sounds good. It works just as it should for me, not one issue here. 01:52:21 I'm using 2.7.2 Portable 01:52:35 I dont use any plugins i dont think 01:52:53 i'll gibe it a go on a fresh install in case i messed something up :) 01:54:25 *** pa_7632 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 01:54:57 pa_5740: I can't find it, perhaps it was a different user. There's 3 pages about Beta 5 with over 3 pages each. 01:56:08 gluxon: Okay. I was just a bit curious because I don't recall posting anywhere else about this. 01:56:38 Okay, sorry, I know I saw a similar message in one of the topics. 01:56:53 No problem. :) 01:56:59 gluxon: he didn't post there: http://portableapps.com/user/150752/track 01:57:05 use his tracker :) 01:57:30 Just glad to get this cleared up. 01:57:35 Bye! 01:57:45 Bye :) 01:57:49 Gizmokid2005: Thanks. 01:58:21 *** pa_5740 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 02:03:17 *** kai_kracker has quit (Quit: *poof*) 02:29:03 *** AppGuy (~App@74-44-95-252.dsl1-pixley.roch.ny.frontiernet.net) has joined #portableapps 02:29:03 *** AppGuy has quit (Changing host) 02:29:04 *** AppGuy (~App@unaffiliated/appguy) has joined #portableapps 02:42:57 *** JohnTHaller1 (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 02:43:59 *** JohnTHaller has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 02:51:38 *** AppGuy has quit (Quit: Leaving) 03:10:58 + 03:11:12 *** JohnTHaller1 is now known as JohnTHaller 03:26:32 *** Mir_ (~Mir@pool-71-109-150-191.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 03:27:09 *** Mir has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 03:29:28 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|AFK 03:45:13 *** Mir_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 03:50:35 *** gluxon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 03:50:58 *** x__ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 03:53:50 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 03:55:16 JohnTHaller: I've been thinking about what you said about triggering the updater to install a new app. 03:55:50 ChrisMorgan: Yes? 03:55:51 I reckon it could be a good thing to have a dependencies system (required and optional) in PAF. 03:56:09 Then the Platform could manage it, too. 03:56:24 We really only plan on doing it with CommonFiles. Java to start. That's why it's in the appinfo.ini so the platform can handle it 03:56:25 More importantly though, can you install Java Portable with the updater? 03:56:34 Not yet, but shortly 03:57:08 Currently I think PAL isn't very friendly with [Activate]:Java=require. Can't really remember very well... 03:57:56 The platform will be friendlier. And really only technical folks will use the apps sans platform 04:02:06 btw - did you get my email about opera? 04:03:49 *** Scriptdaemon (~KennyW@cpe-76-83-207-236.dc.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 04:04:49 Good evening all. 04:05:07 Yes I did, that's what I need to look at now. I didn't have time last night. 04:05:55 hi Scriptdaemon 04:05:55 JohnTHaller: nevertheless it's best to make the Launcher as friendly as possible. 04:06:02 ChrisMorgan: true 04:06:24 I'm currently finishing up AppCompactor 2.0 so everyong else will be on the latest UPX and 7z as well 04:06:42 I incorporated hea's changes so it's now all in-window 04:06:49 Well, I've got Gringoloco's wildcard support in, and XML support sorted and ready for commit - launcher.ini, [Activate]:XML, a compile time flag, adds 60KB to the launcher 04:07:05 not a bad price to pay 04:07:39 I'm thinking I'll make [Activate]:Registry a compile time thing too. 04:08:00 I wondered about whether it should be Custom.nsh, !define XML_ENABLED, or [Activate]:XML, and [Activate]:XML won. 04:08:32 We don't need to set any of those on in the INI do we? 04:09:13 For what? 04:09:39 I'm making the XML features so that it needs to be compiled in. 04:10:07 Do we need to manually turn on the registry plugin in appinfo.ini. Won't that cause issues for existing apps where devs forget? 04:11:02 launcher.ini. I'm thinking with it I'll make [Activate]:Registry more automatic so that the Generator will check to see if the features are used. 04:11:38 Don't bother. It's only 26KB (uncompressed, less compressed). 04:11:51 And we use it in a good chunk of apps. 04:12:06 Maybe add a feature to DISABLE it if a dev wants to and doesn't need itr. 04:12:29 Looking over the current implementation of [Activate]:Registry, it's a bit strange. It's always included, it's purely whether it's /used/ or not. 04:12:52 Do you do error checking if they ask for a feature in launcher.ini but didn't compile it in with activate? 04:13:37 Personally I've been thinking it might be better to head back towards static rather than dynamic, compile based on the current status of launcher.ini. But not yet, whatever. 04:14:29 XML support is with [FileWriteN] and [LanguageFile]. Currently I think it'll just silently fail; I can put in an !else to also guzzle them and spit out an error message "You didn't activate XML!" 04:15:06 That's all you need, really. "XML was not activated when this launcher was compiled. Please regenerate it using the PortableApps.com Launcher utility" 04:21:59 Yep. 04:23:41 I'm debating hea's additions to appinfo.ini that will direct appcompactor what to compress and what not to. Any thoughts? Currently, it's an additional section added to the end called [PortableApps.comAppcompactor] 04:24:04 JohnTHaller: Opera, Portable Edition works while Opera is running but not while it itself is running? Is that correct? 04:24:06 WIth options: AdditionalExtensionsExcluded= AdditionalExtensionsIncluded= FilesExcluded= 04:24:25 ChrisMorgan: correct 04:25:03 In [Language], only one of Default and {DefaultIfNotExists+CheckIfExists} should be used. Deleting Default=en. 04:25:14 Ah ok 04:26:09 Default is for use in conjunction with the [LanguageStrings] section. If a value doesn't exist in there, it uses Default,. 04:26:30 Ah ok 04:26:45 I probably shouldn't have been working on it after midnight again, heh 04:27:03 What happens if you do a secondary launch of Opera, Portable Edition, if SinglePortableAppInstance is not set? 04:27:19 I'd also delete [Launch]:WaitFor(Program|OtherInstances) as they're at the default value. 04:27:33 I don't know, actually. Try it 04:29:24 FYI, if you want to get debug messages without going sllloooowwwwlly through them, there's an option to not put up message boxes, then it'll just write to Data\debug.log. 04:30:17 I didn't see that 04:30:52 http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/advanced/debug/ - DEBUG_OUTPUT 04:31:20 *** Mir_ (~Mir@pool-71-109-150-191.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 04:31:31 That layout... they're all going the same way. 04:32:02 grrrr 04:32:03 verizon was like OMFG HE HAS STARCRAFT OH NOEZ LETS CUT HIM OFF FROM TEH INTERWEBZ LOLOLOL 04:33:13 nice, ChrisMorgan. I need to rtm more 04:33:53 hey john 04:33:58 hi 04:34:20 i have a rare question for you 04:34:32 rare because i dont usualy ask you things 04:35:14 what is going on with the PA.c version of opera. this past week i have seen 3 postings for a portable opera and this year there have been at minimum 15 requests 04:35:59 i am curious seeing as there already IS a portable Opera there really is no need for PA.c to create one 04:36:10 i just want to know your opinion on the issue 04:37:30 *** Gizmokid2005 has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) 04:38:20 There are actually 2 versions of Opera that are portable. One is Opera@USB. This is the main one. All it is is Opera copied out of Program Files with one setting in one INI file changed from a 1 to a 0. It's not fully portable as settings like download directory, saved directory and anything else is full paths and breaks as you move PCs. 04:39:30 Both I and Opera contacted the author about doing it in PAF and received no response. I would have just given him the code to use. So, we're doing out own. 04:40:38 *** GizmoBot has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 04:40:44 Unlike the others, it will be fully portable. It will include all languages and a multilingual installer which sets Opera for the appropriate language. It will support language switching with the platform, backup, etc, as well as the upcoming reinstall and reset app features in the platform. 04:41:18 Erk. I /really/ don't like the Opera UI. 04:42:14 Chrome and Firefox are copying it... so get used to it. 04:42:36 I was meaning more the usability. Or lack of, in my opinion. 04:42:54 Secondary launch of Opera, Portable Edition just opens a new tab in the first one. Good. 04:43:30 And I guess it'll do that for a non-portable version too, so how about we remove SinglePortableAppInstance, and SingleAppInstance as well? 04:43:43 Yup 04:44:05 You tried language switching after removing the Default 04:44:15 Mir_: Does all that answer your question? 04:44:23 No, I haven't yet. 04:45:02 I'm not enthusiastic about this operaprefs.ini [Network] HTTP Accept Language write. The user should be able to change that string, I think, then it'd lose their preferred language selection. 04:45:24 I mean, it's a good idea, but maybe a bit risky. 04:45:25 We have to for now. Or do a lot of custom code. Otherwise they wind up with the wrong pages. 04:45:49 *** Gizmokid2005 (~Gizmokid2@vps.gizmokid2005.com) has joined #portableapps 04:46:30 Is there any way to tell in custom code if the language changed (ie, it was one thing in the INI and then the platform changed it)? Then if it did, I could write it out there manually 04:46:31 Ideally, I think you'd save it to another file (or another value in that same file), and then compare the two before writing. 04:46:42 No. 04:47:23 Any way we can get a single global variable to say whether there was a change? 04:48:40 I'm planning on refactoring the segments so that they're easier to trigger from custom code, but I haven't yet. Something like so you could simulate the [FileWrite4] section with `${FileWrite.INI} %PAL:DataDir%\profile\operaprefs.ini Network "HTTP Accept Language" %PAL:LanguageCustom%,en-US;q=0.9,en;q=0.8` 04:48:54 Not really. 04:49:59 Yeah. That's a good idea for later. But how about for now, we add in a global variable just to say "Hey, the platform changed the language". That way we can check it in custom code and do anything else that needs advanced tidbits. I'm thinking this will affect all browsers that are multilingual, honestly. 04:50:39 Lemmesee. 04:54:41 I think this custom code would do you in place of [FileWrite4]: http://portableapps.pastebin.com/25iYfRbU 04:55:13 Actually that won't deal with first run. 04:55:53 Though an If FileExists on there 04:56:03 Actually it will, because operaprefs.ini doesn't contain [Network] at first run. 04:57:07 That DefaultData seems fairly complete. Does it need to be so much so? 04:58:13 Yes 04:58:21 That is the bare minimum 04:58:29 Take away more and it causes issues. 05:02:33 "The fastest browser on Earth." Bah. Fullscreen, Chrome is smooth with http://upsidedownturtle.com/boredboredbored/ while Opera, covering under a third of the screen size is quite hesitant... 05:02:56 They all say essentially that same thing. 05:02:56 Anyway, I should regenerate the launcher sans-debug so that it actually launches in a reasonable time. 05:05:33 Ah yes, debug stuff is Other\Source\PortableApps.comLauncherDebug.nsh for 2.0... forgot that briefly and looked in App\AppInfo\Launcher\Debug.nsh :P 05:05:49 heh 05:06:47 yes it did 05:06:49 thxs 05:07:50 Sure thing. Any other questions or suggestions on it? 05:09:26 PA.c AppCompactore 2.0 PR1 and proposed PA.c Format addition: http://portableapps.com/node/24417 05:10:29 Deleting Default=en makes language switching work. 05:11:49 Nice. I think that's the 2nd or 3rd time I messed up that setting. 05:17:05 *** aspergeroneworld (~aspergero@201-236-160-73.adsl.tie.cl) has joined #portableapps 05:17:18 *** aspergeroneworld has parted #portableapps (None) 05:18:31 In appinfo.ini I think [PortableApps.comAppCompactor] sounds bulky. You have [Format], et cetera, [AppCompactor] would be better for the section, I think. 05:19:19 I was debating that myself. Was thinking Compaction or something. 05:23:05 ChrisMorgan: I added the Opera changes and lang switching is working. Your custom segment seems to be working properly, too 05:23:38 I was wondering that too. But rather Compacting or Compression or Compress. 05:23:44 Good :-) 05:24:19 So [Launch] has just ProgramExecutable, and [Language] has Base CheckIfExists and DefaultIfNotExists (preferably in that order) 05:26:09 *** x_ (~x@208.85.237.207) has joined #portableapps 05:26:40 ChrisMorgan: correct 05:27:52 *** qwertymodo (~Ben@216.115.8.130) has joined #portableapps 05:30:36 Good. 05:45:30 *** qwertymodo has parted #portableapps ("~Sadly, no trace of him was ever found~") 05:46:56 *** Gringoloco (~Gringoloc@unaffiliated/gringoloco) has joined #portableapps 05:49:40 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Politeness, n. The most acceptable hypocrisy.) 05:51:06 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Quit: Opera Web Browser! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://www.opera.com/) 05:51:13 JohnTHaller: How did you get on with InfraRecorderP ? 05:51:30 I haven't touched it yet 05:51:47 Did you do any additional XML plugin work on it? 05:52:06 wait, Gringoloco, were you gonna email me some work on it? 05:53:17 I ran into some additinal issues with the xml handling, so I thought to make things fast, you'd better just change the unicode.dll to version 1.0 05:54:00 yeah, but then i'll switch it back and forget for the next release :-P 05:55:07 I won't forget, but I think you want to fix the problem solid and fast 06:00:54 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Quit messages are inane.) 06:03:28 Ok, for now I'll work on it, but do not really have much time these days, I can only work on the computer if my girl-friend isn't here ! 06:03:43 hehe 06:03:54 don't worry, I'll post it with the old unicode plugin tomorrow 06:08:46 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 06:26:40 *** doctorfrog (~doctorfro@c-67-170-244-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 06:27:56 *** doctorfrog has parted #portableapps (None) 07:08:51 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 07:25:57 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 08:04:23 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08:05:55 *** x_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08:18:30 *** x_ (~x@208.85.237.207) has joined #portableapps 08:31:04 *** x_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:33:20 Spam: http://portableapps.com/node/24418, isn't it just that rude 11:15:27 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 11:16:49 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 11:32:20 *** Gringoloco has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 11:33:24 *** Gringoloco (~Gringoloc@unaffiliated/gringoloco) has joined #portableapps 11:45:02 Gringoloco: I've got the XML features so that (a) it uses [Activate]:XML in the Generator, and (b) if you try to use Type=XML attribute or Type=XML text when XML isn't enabled, it'll warn the developer with a message box. 11:45:59 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 11:46:12 So that way it doesn't just silently fail for what has become invalid input. 11:46:59 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 11:47:29 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 11:51:09 Gringoloco: XML functionality committed. Now for the documentation. 11:51:45 I found some problems with the utf-16 xml files :-( 11:53:03 I'm testing it on InfraRecorderP these days, some how it doesn't like repetitive re-encoding 11:53:52 getting system crashes ! I wish I found that issue before :-( 11:56:44 forgive me for this uninformed question, but why is it necessary to repetitive re-encode the xml files instead of leaving their format intact? 11:58:20 The script I made for PAL, loads the xml file, writes a setting and saves the xml file again, just like WriteINIStr does or ConfigWrite... 11:59:47 Just for utf-16 files, it needs to re-encode it to utf-8, then write a setting, and convert it back to utf-16... 12:00:37 for every new setting it needs to do that, it's the only way I could think of for PAL, and shouldn't really be a big issue 12:03:20 So what do you reckon needs to happen? 12:03:59 *** benedikt93 is now known as benedik93|AFK 12:04:22 *** benedik93|AFK is now known as benedikt93 12:05:01 It's all guessing, I really should investigate more before I could tell you anything more, just haven't got that much time the coming days 12:10:20 Ah, my girl-friend is out the whole day tomorrow, so I will have a look at it tomorrow and let you know 12:11:08 Take your time, it's all up to you. I committed the XML stuff too. 12:11:47 In that and the wildcard stuff there are a few minor modifications from what you first gave me, feel free to go over them and make sure it's all good. 12:11:51 *** benedikt93 is now known as benedik93|AFK 12:12:39 I will 12:14:39 ChrisMorgan: There is something, I'm al not that sure about the name or version number of this new TextFunc.nsh... 12:14:55 Ah yes, I haven't put that in yet. 12:15:48 I just put the version number up to 2.5, but I'm not sure I should have done that as it's not official 12:15:57 Sounds fine to me. 12:16:30 So and what if they release TextFunc.nsh 2.5 12:16:34 ? 12:18:17 I doubt they will. Other than yours. 12:18:27 Submit it upstream for inclusion or at least merging. 12:18:45 Possibly 2.4+Unicode if you want to make sure you're OK? 12:19:02 Seriously though, I don't think anyone really looks at the version numbers... 12:20:52 *** GizmoBot (~GizmoBot@vps.gizmokid2005.com) has joined #portableapps 12:20:52 I'm not feeling taken very seriously in the Nsis forum, i'm not getting any repsonse when I ask if they are interested in the plug-ins I recompiled 12:20:55 GizmoBot is the official bot of #Gizmokid2005 and #PortableApps. 12:23:49 ChrisMorgan: do you have any influence on including armenian language for NsisPortable, HrantOhanyan is really trying everything to get it included 12:24:11 Not really. 12:26:08 *** benedik93|AFK is now known as benedikt93 12:28:22 OK, I'm off to bed now. My parents and four younger siblings are off to India for three months tomorrow morning. 12:28:53 FYI, what I'm implementing now in PAL is more rigorous value checking, so that incorrect values don't just silently fail but put up a message box. 12:29:45 *** HuggyBear (kvirc@c-93-182-173-39.cust.relakks.com) has joined #portableapps 12:31:22 ChrisMorgan: good night 12:31:48 Thanks for your help with PAL. I'll need to put a big mention in the 2.1 release notes that the PAL development team is now two people :-) 12:32:34 small, would be good enough :-) 12:32:35 It's very nice having (a) large scale adoption with most developers and (b) help with the development 12:32:55 It's got to be at least a subheading "New member of the development team" 12:32:57 G'nite 12:32:58 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 12:38:00 *** Mir_ is now known as Mir 14:09:45 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 14:15:29 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 14:18:18 *** Bensawsome has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 14:18:19 *** StatBot has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 14:43:23 *** Bensawsome (~mib@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 14:43:23 Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.bensawsome.com/ircstats 15:01:59 *** M4T1A5 (m4t1a5@tux.fi) has joined #portableapps 15:18:19 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a81-84-170-85.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 15:23:42 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 15:23:48 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 15:34:17 *** pa_8479 (459add5e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.154.221.94) has joined #portableapps 15:34:34 hello chat room 15:35:40 I am needing a little help into findind a fix for the suite standard 1.6.1, keep getting nsis error, tried the ncrc fix and no luck there 15:36:39 the comp system is a windows xp, sp3, everything clean and all cache cleaned as well 15:38:49 I will check the faq and other places again 15:38:53 bye! 15:39:07 *** pa_8479 has quit (Client Quit) 15:58:41 *** x_ (~x@208.85.237.207) has joined #portableapps 16:07:32 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:07:51 *** x_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16:07:58 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 16:16:35 *** rainroom69 (~RainrooM@94-224-139-197.access.telenet.be) has joined #portableapps 16:21:29 *** BjornH (~BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 16:25:43 *** BjornH has quit (Client Quit) 16:36:06 *** x_ (~x@208.85.237.207) has joined #portableapps 17:01:07 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 17:03:01 *** Pyromaniac_ (ae1eab72@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.30.171.114) has joined #portableapps 17:03:14 hi! 17:04:10 hi GizmoBot ! 17:04:10 Hello Pyromaniac_! 17:14:27 *** Pyromaniac_ has quit (Quit: Page closed) 17:20:19 *** x_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 17:23:21 *** x_ (~x@208.85.237.207) has joined #portableapps 17:26:00 *** benedikt93 is now known as benedik93|AFK 17:42:26 *** ptmb is now known as ptmb|away 17:51:07 *** benedik93|AFK is now known as benedikt93 17:57:35 *** rouilj1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 18:06:13 *** x__ (~x@208.85.237.207) has joined #portableapps 18:06:50 *** x_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 18:07:45 *** n8chavez (~n8chavez@ip72-223-62-157.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #portableapps 18:08:07 *** n8chavez has parted #portableapps (None) 18:20:23 *** Pyromaniac_ (ae1eab72@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.30.171.114) has joined #portableapps 18:22:02 *** rouilj1 (~rouilj@64.241.37.140) has joined #portableapps 18:23:43 hi rouilj1 ! 18:24:51 AppCompactor 2.0 Pre-Release 2. Added in full progress bar handling. Please report back on test results: http://portableapps.com/node/24417 18:25:55 *** marlop has quit (Write error: Broken pipe) 18:26:05 Hello JohnTHaller! 18:26:10 Hola 18:26:10 I have some...info? for you 18:26:30 I had emailed the "portable" email address for tightvnc, and finally got a reply back 18:26:37 oh yeah? 18:26:38 TightVNC Portable Edition is a commercial product, so we do not provide 18:26:38 information helping others to make its free clones, sorry. 18:26:38 >From the other side, we plan to release the loader under the GPL in the 18:26:38 near future, and also we have plans to release a PortableApps.com 18:26:38 version as well. 18:26:45 *** kai_kracker (~kai_62656@unaffiliated/kai-62656/x-7765177) has joined #portableapps 18:26:54 grrrr...that was supposed to paste in two lines...sorry 18:26:56 Good to know. It would be nice to get em listed 18:27:21 I replied asking for a timeframe. If they don't have one, or if it'll be a while I'll get one up so we have something listed and working. 18:28:59 cool 18:29:56 Let em know they can probably ditch U3 soon, too. Since it's been discontinued and all support dropped/. 18:30:19 hey JohnTHaller are you gonna make a new splash screen with the sexy logo for the dev tests? 18:30:55 at some point probably 18:31:05 * Pyromaniac_ can't wait 18:31:32 will do JohnTHaller. 18:32:25 * JohnTHaller likes using the new appcompactor with no commandline window 18:33:36 I can't say I've actually used it JohnTHaller. when I tried to compact KVIrc it went haywire, and iirc songbird did too...hah 18:33:45 *** computerfreaker (40c94702@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.201.71.2) has joined #portableapps 18:33:46 computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and Iron Portable, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback. 18:33:56 *** marlop (marlop@use.the.force.on.shellium.org) has joined #portableapps 18:34:20 Hey JohnTHaller, how much does a software developer have to be on-board with PortableApps to get their app fast-tracked to official release here? 18:35:54 If they're gonna be promoting it on their own site to their own users. Bonus points for it being a larger userbase and for it being something we don't have in the directory yet. 18:36:04 ok, thanks 18:36:23 * computerfreaker is talking to a couple of software publishers who are fairly excited about getting listed on PortableApps 18:36:42 Cool. Quality stuff? 18:36:48 nice 18:36:50 yeah, I think so. 18:37:11 System Explorer, Windows Error Lookup Tool, and (probably) Scriptly 18:37:33 I'm also going to talk to the Iron developers and see about getting their portable build replaced with a PAF version; ditto for Process Hacker. 18:38:02 Sounds good. Thanks man 18:38:06 we already have google chrome portable 18:38:16 Yeah, but some people prefer Iron 18:38:18 JohnTHaller: happy to :) 18:38:19 well yeah 18:38:32 M4T1A5: a lot of people prefer Iron because #1 it's open-source and #2 all the Google tracking stuff is gone 18:38:34 Iron has no unique identifier, doesn't send all characters of all typed urls to google and is 100% open source 18:38:45 chromium is open source too 18:38:59 I also have a feeling the Iron devs will be happier to add the APIs addons like NoScript need 18:39:13 Except chromium has no stable, alpha or beta releases. It's not an independent open source project. It's just the backstage of Chrome. 18:39:33 well yeah 18:41:47 JohnTHaller: any chance we can get Pre-Release status for Iron Portable? It's already been around for 6 months, and it's rock-solid. The base app is solid and nobody's reported any problems with the portable version. 18:41:48 does iron support chrome extensions? 18:41:56 M4T1A5: yep 18:42:07 computerfreaker: I'd like to get them on board first if possible. 18:42:16 cool 18:42:29 JohnTHaller: ok, I'm actually working on an e-mail to them right now. 18:43:30 System Explorer Portable should also be good to go Pre-Release, and the devs are definitely on-board. 18:43:46 *** Pyromaniac_ has quit (Quit: Page closed) 18:44:14 Cool. When we have devs really excited about it with an existing solid app and a decent userbase, we're gonna make a point to make a splash when releasing. 18:45:04 System Explorer has a pretty good userbase - it's got a popularity score of nearly 3,000 on PortableFreeware.com ( http://www.portablefreeware.com/index.php?id=1491 ) 18:45:27 and the base app is solid, as far as I can tell, although it doesn't support Unicode. 18:45:30 JohnTHaller: that's how DamnVid's dev is. 18:45:39 I just gotta get a PR up since we're pushing 100 dls of the DT 18:45:41 and not one issue 18:46:01 Yeah, I'm thinking I may release a new app or two next week even though the new app directory isn't quite done. 18:46:06 We have apps that deserve releases 18:47:07 computerfreaker: looking forward to precesshacker :) i love that app 18:47:12 i like process explorer 18:47:15 sar3th: thanks, me too :) 18:47:37 the only problem with Process Hacker is its driver, which should be taken care of by a PAL update in the near future. 18:47:51 what's the issue? 18:47:52 yes, apart from that, it needs updates 18:48:04 erm, i meant admin rights 18:48:20 JohnTHaller: Process Hacker uses a kernel-level driver for some of its advanced abilities, which leaves some Registry stuff. 18:48:41 sar3th: AFAIK, it doesn't need admin rights except to load the driver. 18:48:45 Ah. Can that be disabled for now? Or cleaned up with custom code? 18:49:17 yeah, it can be disabled, but that takes a *lot* of PH's advanced functions - one user on PortableFreeware.com described the driver as "putting the hacker in Process Hacker" 18:49:33 and I'm not sure how to deal with that using custom code, or I'd have done that already. 18:50:51 well, the app adds the drive itself while running, right? Does it remove it? 18:51:20 I believe so, but some stuff still stays behind in the Registry. 18:52:03 http://www.portablefreeware.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6608 has all the details 18:52:18 yeah, you can clean that up with custom code then. 18:53:17 oh vlc update 18:53:29 Yup 18:53:33 now wheres my usb drive.... 18:55:23 gotta say the updater is so handy 18:55:46 btw any news on beta 6? 18:55:51 or final? 18:56:05 JohnTHaller: any pointers on using custom code for that driver? Should I just backup & restore those Registry keys? 18:57:14 That should be good enough computerfreaker 18:57:37 M4T1A5: Glad you like it. Still making some changes for beta 6. Should drop early next week-ish. 18:57:43 cool 18:58:05 Doing another installer relese with a few tweaks to better work with the updater too 18:58:18 well great 18:58:36 JohnTHaller: thanks, I'll drop another DT with that temporary fix in a day or two. 18:58:51 e-mail to Iron sent, now I just need to wait. 18:59:32 hmm my school starts on 9.8(8.9 american calendar) so i would love to get the beta 6 by then 19:00:36 of course if it can't be dome them it can't be dome 19:00:38 *done 19:02:01 *** marlop is now known as marlop|away 19:04:13 *** marlop|away is now known as marlop 19:10:06 *** rainroom69 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 19:11:14 *** rainroom69 (~RainrooM@94-224-139-197.access.telenet.be) has joined #portableapps 19:16:46 *** rainroom69 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 19:19:51 *** rainroom69 (~RainrooM@94-224-139-197.access.telenet.be) has joined #portableapps 19:29:07 *** x_ (~x@208.85.237.207) has joined #portableapps 19:31:01 *** Gringoloco has quit (Quit: Leaving) 19:31:58 *** ptmb|away is now known as ptmb 19:32:40 *** x__ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 19:32:58 *** x__ (~x@208.85.237.207) has joined #portableapps 19:33:53 *** x_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19:35:49 *** pa_5740 (48a0e887@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.160.232.135) has joined #portableapps 19:36:32 JohnTHaller: Concerning suggestions for apps, how about CPU-Z & GPU-Z? 19:38:57 pa_5740: I'll take them on, give me a day or two though 19:40:27 Okay, I know that they are already portable, but I thought maybe putting them on portableapps.com might not be a bad idea. 19:40:47 GPU-Z is actually not portable - it writes settings to the Registry. 19:41:04 Oh. 19:41:13 Didn't know that one. 19:41:55 http://www.portablefreeware.com/index.php?id=1417 is where I got that info from; it could be wrong, but info on PortableFreeware is usually right. 19:42:03 *** x__ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 19:42:42 Anyway, I'll be happy to take those, but I'm busy right now so it'll probably take a day or two. Is that OK? 19:43:07 No problem, I'm just making a suggestion. 19:43:58 Although do make sure you ask for permission before you portablize them. :) 19:44:56 yeah, I always make sure I'm working with an OSS app or one I've got permission to work with. Software publishers are usually happy to oblige because it gets them more publicity. 19:45:21 I'm taking a closer look at those two apps right now; they do require admin rights, but should be pretty easy to work with other than that. 19:45:27 OK, I hope I wasn't offensive in saying that. 19:46:24 nah, you're fine. I appreciate the reminder to get permission, since I sometimes forget I'm working with freeware apps instead of OSS. 19:47:57 OK. Also, concerning PortableApps.com suite 2.0 Beta 5, with the corners being pink, couldn't you just edit those parts out? 19:48:34 I should have mentioned that it was the themes I was talking about. Sorry. 19:50:25 pa_5740: JohnTHaller is the one to talk to about that, since he's the one working on the Platform. I'm not familiar with the Platform's code, sorry. 19:50:33 Okay. 19:50:55 JohnTHaller: Could you comment on my question? ^_^ 19:51:57 pa_5740: Just so you know, he may be away right now. People frequently stay logged into IRC even when they're not at their keyboards. 19:52:11 One minute please. 19:52:40 Just got back... 19:53:43 pa_5740: The corners being pink is a bug when Aero is not enabled. It'll be fixed in Beta 6. The pink is magenta and configured as the "magic color" which is supposed to be transparent. 19:53:58 Unfortunately, our use of alpha PNGs is interfering with it. But I have a fix already working that will be posted in B6 19:54:12 *** x_ (~x@208.85.237.207) has joined #portableapps 20:02:04 JohnTHaller: Okay, I was just asking because I thought that one could just clip the pink edges off. 20:03:16 They are supposed to be. That's what the pink actually is in Windows. But because there is an alpha PNG present, Windows standard theming engine doesn't properly see it (though Aero does) 20:04:14 Okay. Since I'm in the mood for making suggestions, how about a linux filesystem explorer? 20:04:16 http://www.diskinternals.com/linux-reader/ 20:04:57 must run... appt in the city. later all 20:05:19 JohnTHaller: Bye! 20:05:32 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 20:06:34 computerfreaker: If not that program: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs 20:11:34 Must be going now. Bye! 20:12:59 *** pa_5740 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 20:14:43 pa_5740: looks interesting, I'll see what I can do 20:14:51 shoot, too late :/ 20:16:46 Is it ok if I start to develop this again? http://portableapps.com/node/11905 The person that was developing it seems to not be doing so anymore 20:18:03 leave a comment and ask the developer of the portable version 20:18:41 Oh wait... searching the forums I see someone is already developing the new version... oh well 20:23:18 *** SrgSiler|AFK has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20:31:51 *** pa_5740 (48a0e887@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.160.232.135) has joined #portableapps 20:32:12 computerfreaker: Okay. :) 20:32:39 computerfreaker: May I PM you about something? 20:34:00 computerfreaker: Or as I should put it, may I query you? 20:36:41 Never mind. 20:37:01 *** pa_5740 has parted #portableapps (None) 20:39:35 pa_5740: feel free to message me at any time. 20:39:56 As you've seen, I'm frequently AFK, but I do reply when I'm able. 20:40:03 too late 20:40:15 he is gone 20:40:39 I know, but he apparently looked at the logs earlier, and I'll wager he does again. 20:40:52 ok 20:43:37 *** x_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20:44:25 *** HuggyBear has quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 20:47:02 *** ptmb is now known as ptmb|away 20:58:58 *** kai_kracker has quit (Quit: *poof*) 21:05:20 *** x_ (~x@208.85.237.207) has joined #portableapps 21:18:25 *** computerfreaker has quit (Quit: Page closed) 21:32:14 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 21:45:30 *** x__ (~x@208.85.237.207) has joined #portableapps 21:47:40 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 21:48:40 *** x_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21:49:13 *** x_ (~x@208.85.237.207) has joined #portableapps 21:49:33 *** computerfreaker (40c94702@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.201.71.2) has joined #portableapps 21:49:33 computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and Iron Portable, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback. 21:50:13 *** x__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21:50:35 *** computerfreaker has quit (Client Quit) 21:57:00 *** ptmb|away is now known as ptmb 22:05:27 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 22:05:27 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 22:15:08 *** rouilj1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 22:16:15 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 22:28:52 *** Srgsiler (~Kyle@unaffiliated/sergentsiler) has joined #portableapps 22:30:20 *** Srgsiler is now known as SergentSiler 22:39:04 *** gluxon (~gluxon@c-71-234-105-104.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 22:46:46 *** rouilj1 (~rouilj@pool-74-104-157-242.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 22:54:27 *** BjornH (~BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 23:13:49 *** x_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 23:27:07 *** x_ (~x@208.85.237.207) has joined #portableapps 23:42:33 *** d-tech (~d-dtech@72.245.233.107) has joined #portableapps 23:43:43 can portableapp'Z' bugs be reported here? 23:44:19 d-tech: no. 23:44:48 Even if you do, they won't be fixed, none of us have any connection with them. 23:44:56 oic 23:44:59 Meaning they'll never get passed to them. 23:45:41 Are you aware of the proper channel to do so? 23:45:56 or method of doing so 23:54:44 No, the owner of the site works alone, and leaves no contact information. 23:55:19 d-tech: In case you aren't aware, the reason for leaving no contact is because the software he's posting is illegally modified and he knows. 23:55:37 We're in no way connected with him. 23:55:39 Thanks :) 23:59:06 thanks for the info ... in case anyone here is interested ... the WB 10.2 release has got a serious bug which corrupts your file when Search&Replace is used to "replace all"