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Using the CLSID to find the locally installed anyway? 05:17:36 Gringoloco: I haven't had time to fiddle with it just yet. 05:24:08 Winamp would be very happy with that (and installing drivers), it would really justify using PAL 2.1 05:24:21 *** pa_1581 (ca7d6cf7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.125.108.247) has joined #portableapps 05:25:14 *** awircser has quit (Quit: Leaving) 05:25:17 Hi, I seem to remember Pidgin Portable used to not allow more than one instance run at a time, however my install does. Am I correct? 05:36:50 pa_1581: that's a limitation of the launcher which I believe still holds. 05:39:23 so is it supposed to only allow one instance? 05:39:29 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 05:52:09 *** pa_1581 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 06:02:45 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Quit messages are inane.) 06:24:06 *** BjornH (~BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 06:39:59 *** Gringoloco has quit (Quit: Leaving) 06:53:24 *** BjornH has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:09:16 *** Gringoloco (~Gringoloc@unaffiliated/gringoloco) has joined #portableapps 07:26:25 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 07:29:13 Ok, I'm convinced, just porting everything to PAL 2.1 07:29:51 :-) 07:30:36 Just found one issue with directoriesMove, but could be my fault 07:31:05 settings\Winamp=%TEMP%\Settings 07:31:08 vs. 07:31:09 settings\Winamp=%TEMP%\Settings\Winamp 07:31:55 Remember the target is the *full path* 07:32:10 As noted in the manual. 07:32:23 The first was working as ( I ) expected in PAL 2.0, but in PAL 2.1 it moved everything to %TEMP%\Winamp 07:32:40 And I would say, avoid \ in the source. 07:33:10 Possibly a bug in your wildcard stuff? Try undoing just that bit and see if it changes the behaviour. 07:34:29 Definitly it's in the WIldcard stuff, but when I made the wildcard stuff, I thought that full target was needed (as it does) so more a bug in my launcher.ini 07:35:44 The wildcard stuff needs to discard the target 'filename', as it could have a wildcard in it 07:36:26 Sorry, got to put tea on, be back shortly. 07:36:30 so it needs to use the source 'filename', as the full name was found in the source 07:45:28 I'm not quite understanding - what (if anything) needs to be changed? 07:46:57 With target is fullpath, you are meaning the launcher.ini needs to be... 07:46:59 [DirectoriesMove] 07:47:00 settings\Winamp=%TEMP%\Settings\Winamp 07:47:36 to move all to %TEMP%\Settings\Winamp ? 07:49:02 That should copy settings\Winamp\*.* to %TEMP%\Settings\Winamp\*.* 07:49:11 Copy/move 07:49:44 But I don't like slashes in the source path, myself. 07:49:52 yep, so filesmove target is not full path, but directoriesmove target is full path 07:50:11 I'll deal with the slashes in the source path later 07:51:02 Correct. 07:52:27 So, it was a fault in my launcher.ini, but if the faulth is there PAL 2.1 directoriesmove behaves different. 07:54:12 Should we be taking this to -dev? 07:56:09 What is it you do not like about the slash in the source path? I could make it something like WinampSettings=%TEMP%\Settings\Winamp 07:57:38 I don't understand - what is the fault in your launcher.ini? 07:58:23 In that RFC post I explained in one of the comments why I don't like slashes. It requires the parent directory to be there and people-in-general are too likely to forget to have the parent directory in DefaultData. 07:59:22 It used to say: [DirectoriesMove] 07:59:23 settings\Winamp=%TEMP%\Settings, but somehow PAL 2.0 was copying it to %TEMP%\Settings\Winamp\*.* anyway 08:00:28 Hmm, wait maybe I did change something else aswell in the process of porting everything to PAL 2.1 08:09:17 I'm not sure what I done anymore, it's somewhere else, I'll tell you if I know more 08:10:54 Strange. That shouldn't be happening and I've never seen it happen for me. 08:11:32 Do not worry, probably somewhere I'm doing something wrong 08:16:43 ChrisMorgan: I've got it, it's a major bug in DirectoriesMove, whenever there is no wildcards used ! So long for my initial testing :-( 08:18:24 Hmm. I didn't spot it when I went over your code. 08:20:20 Whenever wildcards are used it needs to discard the target path-name and use the source path-name, but this is unwanted when no wildcards are used. I'll try to fix this with ${If} ${WildcardExists} 08:30:08 * Gringoloco wonders if there would be anny app what would ever use wildcards to move dirrectories ? 08:35:43 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 08:35:47 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Client Quit) 08:44:38 *** Trevix74 (~Trevix@83.38.49.70) has joined #portableapps 09:27:17 *** Twinkletoes (~chatzilla@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 10:14:23 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 10:19:01 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@c114-76-0-175.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #portableapps 10:19:09 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Changing host) 10:19:09 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 10:21:40 *** auscompgeek has quit (Killed (evilmquin (Killed.))) 10:21:57 *** auscompgeek (znc@firefox/community/auscompgeek) has joined #portableapps 10:22:18 *** auscompgeek has quit (Killed (evilmquin (Killed.))) 10:22:34 *** auscompgeek (znc@firefox/community/auscompgeek) has joined #portableapps 10:51:55 *** Trevix74 has quit (Quit: Leaving) 10:55:00 wildcards 10:55:04 what nonsence 10:55:11 regexes are the way to go 10:55:46 M4T1A5: very well, please provide a regular expression parser smaller than 4KB which will work in NSIS. 10:56:42 i believe i need to write it first 10:57:25 is 99KB okay? 10:57:29 http://nsis.sourceforge.net/NSISpcre_plug-in 10:59:46 (and no i did not write that in 30 seconds) 11:01:04 99KB is much too big. If such a thing could be done in 10KB or even 20KB (and if it could deal with find/replace in a file) I would have included it. But it's too big, and too limited in functionality. 11:01:20 And with files and directories, wildcards are about all you'll ever want. 11:04:02 well maybe 11:04:09 but what about strings? :P 11:11:12 To be much use it'd need to be able to run the regular expression on the contents of the file and write to file. Even then it'd be a lot slower than the current solution. 11:18:20 and what is the current solution? 11:24:58 textreplace plugin 11:25:26 ok 11:33:17 *** awircser (~awircser@41.239.62.5) has joined #portableapps 12:53:13 *** Gringoloco_ (~Gringoloc@91.92.152.132) has joined #portableapps 12:57:31 *** Gringoloco has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 13:00:45 *** Gringoloco_ is now known as Gringoloco 13:01:05 *** Gringoloco has quit (Changing host) 13:01:05 *** Gringoloco (~Gringoloc@unaffiliated/gringoloco) has joined #portableapps 13:01:47 Looks like quite an amazing plug-in, but definitly too much for what we need 13:05:01 Personally I don't think it's too much but rather too little (of "helper functionality" like replace in file) - and too big. I looked at it way back but decided against using it at all. 13:17:43 *sob* so much trouble over such a little thing... /why/ did Ubuntu switch from Sun Java to OpenJDK Java and the IcedTea plugin which just doesn't work on some things? 13:19:01 At least now I've got Processing applets working with the Sun Java plugin... but at least inside the applet, Beads doesn't seem to work on Linux or Linux Sun Java... if you've got Java set up on Windows, you could see if http://www.beadsproject.net/examples/Lesson10_Interaction/applet/index.html works on Windows. It's a fascinating applet to play with. 13:19:33 Here I'm just getting the flat pink line and no audio coming out :-( 13:24:51 ChrisMorgan: it's not sun java 13:25:10 What do you mean? 13:25:15 it's oracle 13:25:22 The plug-in is still Sun Java. 13:25:45 Oracle is the parent company, and they own the copyright, but the plugin is still called Sun Java. 13:25:54 Even though it's produced now by Oracle. 13:25:58 http://www.java.com/en/ it doesn't say sun in there anywhere 13:27:04 it's not officially sun java 13:27:10 people just keep calling it that 13:27:27 (and yes so do i) 13:28:07 Right. It's always been the "Java Plug-in" never the Sun java plugin 13:28:54 *** Drive-Dude (c12cd478@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.44.212.120) has joined #portableapps 13:29:38 In Ubuntu the package is Sun Java, and that's what I'm dealing with. (And in 9.10 it /was/ Sun, too). 13:30:03 well im using linux mint 9 anyways 13:30:16 Hi I have to konw does GIMP Portable have GAP (the GIMP Animation Package) installed 13:30:43 I mead I wante to know 13:30:48 mean 13:32:00 *** awircser has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:32:52 *** droople (45af7362@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.175.115.98) has joined #portableapps 13:32:59 *** awircser (~awircser@41.239.62.5) has joined #portableapps 13:33:05 hi Guys 13:33:51 if it's a default plugin i guess it's in there 13:34:27 can anyone tell me the difference between PA.c Installer and PA.c Launcher? thanx 13:34:48 isn't that kinda obvious? 13:34:50 droople: the PA.c Installer is to package apps into an installer 13:34:57 and the PA.c launcher is to create a launcher for an application 13:35:02 much like the names imply... 13:36:31 When laucnhers the softwares and the other creates installers for the softwares 13:36:48 Drive-Dude: refer to http://portableapps.com/search/node/GAP 13:36:49 thank you Gizmokid, I understand what does Installer do, but I'm not sure why we need a launcher, doesn't it install to the menu? 13:36:51 Is that right? 13:37:05 droople: the launcher is to make it portable. 13:37:10 The installer is just a way of distributing it. 13:37:27 *** awircser has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:37:35 droople: unless you're a developer, both of those "apps" are useless to you 13:38:21 Thanks for the help 13:38:50 Have a Nice Day or Night 13:39:05 *** Drive-Dude has quit (Quit: Page closed) 13:39:08 i want to put some small apps into the menu, so I want to know what should I do. My understanding is that the Installer can build a installation file, and anyone can use this file install the app 13:39:08 *** awircser (~awircser@41.239.62.5) has joined #portableapps 13:39:22 but I don't understand what's the launcher for? 13:39:32 .def addingapps 13:39:33 addingapps is about adding applications to the PortableApps.com Menu; read http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps for details. 13:39:35 .def field_guide 13:39:35 field_guide is here: http://portableapps.com/node/14868 13:39:44 droople: both of those links will be of use to you ^^ 13:40:09 *** chazz (~chazz@opennic/dabomb69) has joined #portableapps 13:40:09 chazz is the guy who failed at developing stuff. :D 13:40:10 droople: the launcher is for making something portable. 13:42:11 Thank you for the links, I 13:42:19 I'll read them 13:43:19 ChrisMorgan, if an app doesn't need to install to run, do I still need to use the launcher? 13:43:53 droople: sometimes, yes. 13:43:56 It depends. If it works across computers and it's for your own personal use and you don't mind if it leaves things behind, no. If you want it to be properly portable, yes. 13:44:52 Gizmokid2005,ChrisMorgan: thank you for the help, a silly question, what's properly portable?, no trace left on the computers? 13:45:00 More or less. 13:45:06 yeah...pretty much 13:45:22 it doesn't leave any user data behind and leaves the system as "untouched" as possible after you stop the app 13:45:24 There are also other conveniences like updating drive letters in "most recently used" lists and things like that. 13:46:22 I got it, thank you so much. Have a nice day or night. 13:51:02 *** droople has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 14:07:14 *** IVIaxPow3r (~Allied@216.106.61.194) has joined #portableapps 14:08:03 hello :) I had a quick question that isn't exactly "support" but I wondering how I go about requesting an app be "portablized" 14:10:18 IVIaxPow3r: post a topic in the "Request Apps" forum... 14:10:38 thanks 14:10:42 you're welcome 14:11:21 how likely is it that an app that is requested will be made? 14:11:34 probably depends on how popular it is 14:12:11 but it is very likely if you do it yourself :P 14:12:14 M4T1A5: is correct IVIaxPow3r. It all depends on whether or not a developer is interested and portabilizes it. 14:12:31 right 14:12:54 with pretty much no experience - is there some tutorial or something I could go through to learn how to do it myself? 14:12:56 http://musescore.org/ 14:13:00 that's what I am wanting btw 14:13:30 well it's open source 14:13:32 that helps 14:13:53 I figured that part - that made me hopeful :) 14:14:53 .def field_guide 14:14:54 field_guide is here: http://portableapps.com/node/14868 14:14:59 IVIaxPow3r: ^^ is a good place to start 14:14:59 You should always search before asking, too - portableapps.com/search/node/musescore 14:15:04 http://portableapps.com/search/node/musescore 14:15:14 You'll find there's already a version of it out there in testing. 14:15:19 also, downloading and reading the docs with the PortableApps.com Launcher will help as well 14:16:11 cool 14:16:37 http://portableapps.com/node/23847 is the latest, not sure quite what Bart.S has been doing with the thread. The version there should work fine. 14:18:31 cool beans - I was just about to search when you mentioned that :) I read it in the "request app" guidelines 14:19:47 Good, I wish more people would read that :-) 14:20:20 I bet :) 14:22:29 I'm really "new" (read:not involved in any perceiveable way) to the developement side of this stuff - what would make this "development test" become part of the list of apps that are in the "Applications" section? 14:25:39 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 14:32:33 brb 14:32:36 *** IVIaxPow3r has parted #portableapps (None) 14:33:24 *** IVIaxPow3r (~Allied@216.106.61.194) has joined #portableapps 14:33:42 sorry about that - PA uninstaller thing was crashing on me - I needed to restart PA 14:33:51 did I miss an answer to my earlier question? 14:33:58 *** ibuk (5c4e652f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.78.101.47) has joined #portableapps 14:34:04 hi ! 14:34:18 hello ;) 14:34:52 i have a question can I get adobe after effects on this page? 14:36:40 ? 14:37:29 ibuk: probably not 14:37:34 it's not free and likely against the EULA 14:38:12 ok but earlier on this site i saw things like adobe lightroom and so on... 14:38:23 but they arent free too. 14:38:28 you didn't see them here ibuk 14:38:37 I can assure you of that 14:39:55 *** ibuk has quit (Quit: Page closed) 14:40:01 *** Bensawsome (~Bensawsom@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 14:40:01 Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.bensawsome.com/ircstats 14:41:56 *** ibuk (5c4e652f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.78.101.47) has joined #portableapps 14:43:37 yeah if you say so.. hmmm... strange .. my friend wanted to send me a link where to download cs5 here but it didnt worked.. and when he open his Cs5 it shows a portableappz logo strange .... 14:44:07 ibuk: yes, that's the "portableappz" page/site. We're not affiliated, they just blatantly ripoff a lot of our work and logos 14:44:35 ahhh ok :P 14:44:36 sorry 14:45:18 thanks 14:45:28 *** ibuk has quit (Client Quit) 14:56:28 *** Gringoloco has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15:02:55 *** Gringoloco (~Gringoloc@unaffiliated/gringoloco) has joined #portableapps 15:04:21 *** rainroom69 (~RainrooM@94-224-139-197.access.telenet.be) has joined #portableapps 15:04:34 *** rainroom69 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:05:16 *** rainroom69 (~RainrooM@94-224-139-197.access.telenet.be) has joined #portableapps 15:20:18 *** IVIaxPow3r has parted #portableapps (None) 15:22:25 *** Gringoloco has quit (Quit: Leaving) 15:24:34 *** Twinkletoes has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:34:17 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 16:34:20 *** andreasma (~andi@93.215.142.11) has joined #portableapps 16:48:57 *** david-w (~chatzilla@plesk/staff/david-w) has joined #portableapps 17:04:16 *** kai_kracker (~kai_62656@unaffiliated/kai-62656/x-7765177) has joined #portableapps 17:04:37 *** david-w has parted #portableapps (None) 17:11:16 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a81-84-170-85.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 17:11:39 *** ptmb has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17:11:52 *** awircser has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 17:12:08 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a81-84-170-85.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 17:59:53 *** rouilj1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 18:19:46 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 18:19:47 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 18:34:09 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 18:34:40 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 18:34:42 ... 18:42:58 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 18:44:46 *** rainroom69 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 18:50:56 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 18:53:14 *** Gringoloco (~Gringoloc@unaffiliated/gringoloco) has joined #portableapps 19:01:24 Finally got WinampPortable updated :-) 19:03:28 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit) 19:04:02 cool 19:15:35 *** rouilj1 (~rouilj@64.241.37.140) has joined #portableapps 19:36:10 *** HuggyBear (kvirc@c-93-182-171-10.cust.relakks.com) has joined #portableapps 19:48:25 *** kai_kracker has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20:03:20 *** andreasma has quit (Quit: Verlassend) 20:06:39 *** Gringoloco has quit (Quit: Leaving) 20:53:29 *** HuggyBear has quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 21:32:35 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 21:36:40 *** Bensawsome has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21:44:26 *** Bensawsome (~Bensawsom@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 21:44:27 Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.bensawsome.com/ircstats 21:58:31 *** Megz (Megz@76.91.53.83) has joined #portableapps 21:59:35 hi guys any devs around here? 22:13:39 *** rouilj1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 22:14:39 Megz: ask your question 22:18:34 so we've been having some trouble with portableapps.com programs -- when you start them up theres a scary "hourglass" cursor that appears for some time 22:19:00 how to fix? 22:20:11 you mean when the launcher starts? 22:20:32 just the app, without launcher 22:20:41 what app? 22:20:50 7-zip Portable 22:20:59 then it's using the launcher 22:21:06 any portable app you launch has a launcher 22:21:08 it's what makes it portable 22:21:09 ah yes 22:21:49 that cursor is the same one i get when I insert a DVD disk in the computer so its a bit alarming when i see it 22:22:12 did you disable the splash screen? 22:22:16 yes 22:22:31 i didnt have a problem until i disabled the splash screen 22:24:41 my friend decided to create a "fix" for it 22:24:48 http://codepad.org/k8bqOnFz 22:25:48 i dont understand this code but i think maybe theres a better solution 22:26:09 not sure how that's a fix...that's overriding cursors 22:26:26 you're not the first person to report this, but none of the developers can reproduce the issue with the splash screen disabled 22:26:43 the only thing we've noticed that's similar between everyone who complains, is they use some type of "alternate" windows install 22:27:08 hm 22:28:44 which you do, don't you Megz? 22:29:56 i use regular one but it has microsoft updates slipstreamed 22:30:42 yep 22:30:44 it's slipstreamed 22:30:49 that's the ONLY connection I can find in any of these 22:31:03 something in the slipstreaming causes an issue somewhere in Windows that causes the wait cursor to be displayed 22:31:12 but only when the splash is disabled 22:32:34 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 22:33:16 im booting my dell which has the regular XP they shipped with it to test brb 22:33:35 just the oem disk 22:36:24 same thing 22:36:32 busy cursor 22:37:10 it works like a champ for me and every other dev who's tested 22:37:17 I can NOT get the wait cursor 22:42:30 http://bit.ly/bBZhlw 22:43:06 that's not the wait cursor 22:43:10 that always shows up with our launchers 22:43:21 yeah 22:43:23 wait cursor is full hourglass 22:43:31 that's the issue that's been reported in the past 22:43:48 your screenshot happens to ALL apps because the launcher has to run in the background upon start to setup the environment 22:46:32 ho hum .. ok .. feature request: hope this can be fixed ;) 22:46:56 post it in the forums 22:47:12 alright 22:47:29 If you search around you'll find there's already a thread about it. 22:47:43 With some explanations about it. 22:48:00 ok, thanks 23:26:50 *** Bensawsome has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 23:27:00 *** JacobMastel (~Jacob_Mas@vsat-148-70-159-10.static.spacenet.com) has joined #portableapps 23:30:42 *** JacobMastel has quit (Client Quit) 23:30:57 *** JacobMastel (~Jacob_Mas@148.70.159.10) has joined #portableapps 23:33:32 *** rouilj1 (~rouilj@pool-74-104-157-242.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 23:46:52 *** JacobMastel has parted #portableapps (None) 23:47:57 *** Bensawsome (~Bensawsom@unaffiliated/bensawsome) has joined #portableapps 23:48:00 ... 23:49:39 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)