00:01:29 *** TimClark (8087e3f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.135.227.247) has joined #portableapps 00:02:13 ChrisMorgan: I was asked a very interesting question, "Why is the menu written in Delphi?" 00:02:36 i've always wondered too 00:02:58 i would expect it to be in C or C++ 00:02:59 delphi does produce static binaries and is host-independant 00:03:27 plus it has the so-called VCL, a set of Visual Components 00:03:44 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 00:03:45 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 00:03:55 apart from that, i do not know, probably personal preference 00:03:58 It was point out to me that it is kind of disingenuous to say that the menu is open source and that folks can make changes to the source and recompile it themselves, when they really CAN'T unless they by a not free not open source program that is very expensive 00:04:18 TimClark: you can use a free implementation of delphi/pascal 00:04:28 called lazarus/freepascal 00:04:38 ohhhh, delphi is pascal? 00:04:38 sar3th: are you sure, I thought i heard that that would not work 00:04:53 not how the menu is coded currently anyways 00:05:04 TimClark: i have not tried, but delphi basically is pascal, and i recently heard good stuff about lazarus, so it could be 00:05:09 one would need to modify it 00:05:15 oh... 00:05:16 but it is possible, i am sure 00:05:32 modify the platform that is 00:05:54 Computator: Delphi is a set of easy-to use components and techniques along with a pascal compiler 00:06:01 You would think, in the spirit of open source we would complie it using something that the average open source person would use, which usually means free or cheap 00:06:04 well, i have nothing against delphi/pascal but i wish it was in C or C++ simply because it is more common/widespread 00:06:07 oh ok 00:06:08 delphi is not really a language, pascal is the driving force 00:06:16 neat :) 00:06:34 i've also wondered why TimClark, and frankly, i don't know 00:07:02 but it could be worse, for example if it were VB ^^ 00:07:10 LOL, yeah! 00:07:33 Well, it was pointed out to me, that it would SEEM as if we are getting the best of both worlds 00:07:46 ? 00:07:52 We get to be OSS, but no one can really use the source 00:08:04 Without paying big bucks of course 00:08:38 1. they do not have to pay us/pa.com for it 00:08:47 ntm, as well as being less common, not as many people don't know it 00:09:18 I've just come back; Delphi is not /quite/ Pascal; it's Object Pascal, but an important difference is the included libraries. I asked John about it once and he said that switching to Pascal would be quite difficult due to used commercial libraries that wouldn't be available with it. 00:09:35 oh ok 00:09:50 ChrisMorgan: yes indeed, the libraries make delphi delphi 00:09:59 but object pascal is close to normal pascal 00:10:36 2. delphi is actively maintained and features a lot of modern techniques 00:10:52 afaik, john just wrote it in delphi because he knows delphi...is that right? 00:10:59 3. delphi is mature, since it has been used for several years 00:11:00 Well, I was not sure how to reply, the questioner was saying we were disingenuous when we reply, "Oh, then just recompile it yourself :) " when we know they can't 00:11:00 then sar3th what you should do is try and make the platform compatible with the included libraries with lazarus/free pascal :P 00:11:02 And with the upgrade to Delphi 2010 the difference is even bigger than with 2006. 00:11:05 Computator: i don't know, it's possible 00:11:28 oh ok... 00:11:36 ZachThibeau: i'm not really up to that task 00:11:40 And as to why it's written in Delphi -- as I recall a discussion of it (might be a thread on PortableApps.com somewhere, can't remember), John was wondering what language to do it in at one point; he didn't like C/C++ and knew some Pascal/Delphi and someone provided some code or something in Delphi, so he worked from that. 00:12:12 cuz idk why someone doesn't port it to C/C++.....oh ok, how come he doesn't like C? 00:12:17 I remember the guy that wrote the first menu that john borrowed the code from 00:12:40 in fact I have the first menu kicking around that the guy wrote for PortableApps.com that inspired the platform 00:12:53 tis about 5-6 years ago iirc 00:12:56 So he paid thousands of dollars for a program that made an open source app with no chance of getting his money back ? 00:13:00 Computator: there are drastic differences between delphi and c/c++; apart from that, a rewrite in another language would be a very complex task 00:13:18 that reminds me, i think we should add a feature to the menu... 00:13:30 sar3th: there was someone awhile back that wrote a menu clone to the platform in c++ that I still have the source for 00:13:31 sar3th: oh ok, i knew it would be a lot of work... 00:13:46 TimClark: I'd hardly call it no chance of getting his money back; he's had several opportunities to sell out (making PortableApps.com payware) and become a millionaire. 00:14:35 C/C++ is ugly! Python is so much nicer... but it would produce bigger binaries. And I think we even care less about that as time goes on... :-) 00:14:38 Ah ChrisMorgan , but if the menu were written in something other than Delphi, something free or cheap, then no one would need him 00:14:38 delphi 2010 professional currently costs 900€ 00:14:53 ChrisMorgan! python is a scripting language.... 00:15:02 And used to cost less, I believe 00:15:29 sar3th: Python is multi-paradigm; it can be used as a scripting language but it is most certainly widely used for serious programming. 00:15:45 i did not mean that it is not used for serious things 00:15:51 but it is an interpreted language 00:15:54 So, in a sense, making it in Delphi, so common folks can't recomplie it, as much as we say they can, kinda locks them into US, that was the logic I was given 00:16:01 there is no real compiler for it translating it to native code 00:16:06 there are some attempts 00:17:17 sar3th: its compiled code (still not native, but compiled) is fine. For performance-critical things it tends to not be quite as fast as C/C++ but sometimes it's faster... and it's definitely easier to code. 00:17:27 anyways brb need to find a bug someone reported that may affect the portable version 00:17:32 of PChat that is 00:17:34 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 00:17:50 i think the menu should keep track of the processes it starts (or another instead OPTIONALLY specified in the appinfo) so it can say "you still have something running" when you eject it, and not try (and fail) to stop it 00:17:59 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 00:17:59 what do you all think? 00:18:00 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 00:18:46 oh, ZachThibeau, i'll repost that line 00:18:47 i think the menu should keep track of the processes it starts (or another instead OPTIONALLY specified in the appinfo) so it can say "you still have something running" when you eject it, and not try (and fail) to stop it 00:18:48 Computator: I think John's already thought of that - and is doing it better. 00:19:00 oh ok, how? 00:19:07 Not clear on entirely how it's better, but it will be :P 00:19:18 Computator: that was unecessary, i do have logs available to me via the log bot :P 00:19:27 i got that idea from U3 (which i hate, but they got 1 0r 2 good ideas) 00:19:36 oh, i forgot that, sorry :( 00:19:57 no worries just remember that next time 00:20:14 Well, anyway, I'm kind of at a loss as to how to reply to the questioner 00:20:34 ZachThibeau: ok....how would you see that unless you specifically look though btw? 00:21:09 Computator: I bookmarked the logs url in my browser 00:21:09 Computator: if it was something good in U3, John will have it in his plans to implement such a feature - or better. He knows what he's doing with U3. 00:21:50 ChrisMorgan: well, minus the password protection at the hardware level :P 00:22:06 it would be handy if you could add another optional line to the appinfo for a process to call that stops the app 00:22:08 TimClark: that's on the cards with hardware partnerships. 00:22:09 oh yeah 00:22:30 those 2 are the only ones i really miss from U3 00:22:57 TimClark: mainly that Delphi was chosen as the most convenient language initially and now it would be a very big burden to migrate it; also that some upcoming features would be very difficult to make available in any other environment (e.g. multi-touch support, gestures). 00:23:18 and btw, what did you mean "He knows what he's doing with U3.", did he help w/ that sometime or something? 00:23:27 oh COOL! 00:23:47 Computator: JTH has written for U3 before 00:23:56 oh ok, cool 00:23:59 FFP and TBP 00:24:12 He did work with SanDisk on some of it (he provided the portable Mozilla apps for it - that's why there's a U3 apps forum in our site). 00:24:24 oh ok... 00:24:38 i made a few till i found out about portableapps... 00:25:00 TimClark: sorry about the ellipses i keep forgetting :( 00:25:05 If I got a spare year some time it'd be fun trying to reimplement the PortableApps.com Platform in Python. But I rather suspect I won't get a spare year any time soon. :P 00:25:36 ChrisMorgan: would python be free/cheap ? 00:25:42 yup 00:25:44 Python is a free language. 00:26:16 Cool, but then no one would need us, which is what I think the guy was trying to say :/ 00:26:23 so is c/c++ 00:26:24 :P 00:26:26 Something like that. 00:26:50 Then we would REALLY be FOSS :P 00:26:56 how can non-native code be faster than compiled code, i do not understand that 00:27:11 sar3th: optimisation generally 00:27:12 or native code 00:27:25 well native code is optimized to the max 00:27:35 at least with good compilers 00:27:51 By the way, what are Firefox and thunderbird compiled with 00:28:01 C++ iirc 00:28:04 They're C++ I believe 00:28:07 msvc i suppose 00:28:07 most things are 00:28:34 that's why i thought PA might be a little better in C++ or C 00:28:34 TimClark: checking 00:28:35 It's hard to belive they can do a whole browser or email client and we can't do a menu 00:29:33 FF is funded by Mozilla, they have a lot of money thanks to google and they have more than one developer 00:29:43 and they use a version-control system and a bugtracker 00:30:19 why does that make a difference on C++? 00:30:27 Python would be horrible for the platform 00:30:27 No sar3th , I mean that the can write it in a way that someone can easily get the code and recomplie it themselves, as long as they remove the trademarks 00:30:43 TimClark: XUL is the big thing there. The Platform could be done as a C++/XULRunner app too, and you could get all sorts of snazzy effects fairly easily with CSS. 00:31:10 TimClark: it's not as easy as most people assume, you have to meet a whole lot of requirements before you can recompile it 00:31:18 Well ChrisMorgan , lets' do it ! 00:31:22 Gizmokid2005/ZachThibeau/sar3th: part of the reason I think Python could be better than Delphi/C/C++ for the Platform is precisely /because/ it acts as an interpreted language. Providing an extension system with varying levels of integration with the Platform is then very easy to do - provide a few basic methods (which you would use anyway) and then just import the extension module. 00:32:05 ahhh, i see 00:32:16 sar3th: requirements, I think that ZachThibeau said once it recompied it a few times 00:32:19 on the other hand dthat's what dlls are for ;) 00:32:20 And extensions are, in my opinion, the next BIG thing about the Platform. 00:32:27 Python debugging is horrid at best..plus you have external libraries that would be a pain to include, and they're all very version specific 00:32:34 plus Python isn't stable in terms of version changes 00:32:36 true... 00:32:45 you can have the same thing with other programing languages though, via dll's etc to extend features 00:32:51 Gizmokid2005: I disagree with every one of your statements there. 00:32:53 TimClark: it is possible, but it is not as easy as others 00:33:10 I don't ChrisMorgan 00:33:14 compiling ff is more difficult than the platform, granted you have the right tools 00:33:19 I've been working on the dev of DamnVid to make it portable 00:33:25 and have run into /every single one/ of those problems 00:33:36 sar3th: I will have to take your word on that, I thought they made it so it was easily recomplied , in the spirit of OSS 00:33:53 btw you guys, isn't this what the #portableapps-dev channel is for? 00:33:56 they did the best they could, but on windows it is difficult nevertheless 00:34:10 Gizmokid2005: what do you mean by "external libraries"? C modules? And the version changes - that doesn't tend to be an issue. 00:35:00 TimClark: in delphi, all you need to do is open the project and hit compile. you are done, nothing else needed :) 00:35:02 A DLL-based extension system would require a lot more "extension" framework - exposing functions etc. - than Python where you'd basically just have it all already available for use (or, I admit, abuse) 00:35:29 ChrisMorgan: you would also force people to exclusively use python for extensions 00:35:29 yeah 00:35:41 Is that a bad thing? 00:35:45 yes 00:35:45 depends on what you wanted to do in the plugin... 00:36:11 a dll is much better than a "proprietary" system, since dlls are language-independant 00:36:24 you might only need like an init() and close() one (or something like that) 00:36:29 sar3th: but don't forget the $10,000.00 00:36:32 i can write dlls with delphi, c++, vb, ... and my application will still work perfectly 00:36:46 TimClark: $1000 max 00:36:59 sar3th: joke/joke/jk 00:37:06 at least that's what i found on their site 00:37:10 no worries 00:37:21 notice i said "granted you have the tools" :) 00:38:22 sar3th: personally I think in a project our size (not a large developer-base), the diversity brought about by that would probably work against us. Having a single language for *everything* has distinct advantages. 00:39:06 then why switch to anything else from delphi? 00:39:13 i think john is more used to it than to python 00:40:26 True. I'm stating my opinion that *if* we were switching, Python would be a better choice than C/C++. 00:40:56 and again there are people that would disagree with you on that but thats beside the point :P 00:41:01 idk... i think C/C++ 00:41:03 yeah 00:41:08 either would work 00:41:33 but I would still like to see a python powered platform just for the fun of it though 00:41:47 And I'd like to have enough spare time to do it... 00:42:05 I have the time but I prefer coding in c++ 00:43:23 how about BOTH :D 00:43:24 jk 00:49:33 *** Zerophnx (~Zerophnx@64.246.141.107) has joined #portableapps 01:10:04 *** Computator_ (rlifshay@unaffiliated/computator) has joined #portableapps 01:10:41 *** TimClark is now known as TimClarkIsAFK 01:12:06 *** Computator has quit (Disconnected by services) 01:12:20 *** Computator_ is now known as Computator 01:21:27 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 01:37:52 *** OliverK (~WifiWomba@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 01:44:19 *** ptmb has quit (Quit: Bye) 01:44:26 *** BjornH has quit (Quit: Leaving) 01:52:36 *** gluxon (~DSi@c-71-234-105-104.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 01:53:27 *** Zerophnx has quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 01:55:02 *** gluxon has quit (Client Quit) 02:39:28 *** TimClarkIsAFK has parted #portableapps (None) 02:45:08 *** Kyle__ (~Kyle@69.182.79.57) has joined #portableapps 02:45:09 *** SrgSiler|AFK has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02:45:30 *** Kyle__ is now known as SrgSiler|AFK 02:45:38 *** SrgSiler|AFK has quit (Changing host) 02:45:38 *** SrgSiler|AFK (~Kyle@unaffiliated/sergentsiler) has joined #portableapps 03:02:32 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 03:04:14 *** massmc_ (massmc@r220-101-172-13.cpe.unwired.net.au) has joined #portableapps 03:08:38 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 03:08:38 ... 03:09:07 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Client Quit) 03:15:50 *** OliverK is now known as OliverK|Away 03:31:26 *** Conor (~Conor@137.154.193.33) has joined #portableapps 03:31:40 hey 03:31:45 *** Versa (~Administr@adsl-75-57-169-237.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 03:34:34 *** Conor is now known as gamemakingdude 03:35:46 *** gamemakingdude has parted #portableapps (None) 03:57:10 *** Versa has quit (Quit: Leaving) 04:03:37 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 04:28:20 anyone know if "evolution mail" will one day become a portable app? 04:28:36 *** Conor (~Conor@137.154.193.33) has joined #portableapps 04:29:23 *** Conor is now known as Gamemakingdude 04:30:29 *** Gamemakingdude has quit (Client Quit) 04:31:23 *** Conor (~Conor@137.154.193.33) has joined #portableapps 04:31:53 *** Conor is now known as gamemakingdude 04:33:27 *** gamemakingdude has parted #portableapps (None) 04:42:15 *** massmc_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) 04:47:42 testing 05:02:14 *** Computator has quit (Quit: Computator) 05:10:49 *** Jethro2106 (~Kurosaki@78.116.80.151) has joined #portableapps 05:11:12 *** Jethro2106 has parted #portableapps (None) 05:12:23 *** darkness2fall (~kvirc@adsl-11-37-125.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #portableapps 05:13:56 *** OliverK|Away has quit (Quit: so long and thanks for all the fish) 05:14:15 *** darkness2fall has quit (Client Quit) 05:28:29 *** pa_3970 (7cb99d75@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.185.157.117) has joined #portableapps 05:30:00 *** pa_3970 has quit (Client Quit) 05:31:43 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 06:15:16 *** pa_5740 (~pa_5740@unaffiliated/spectrelaser) has joined #portableapps 06:17:09 ChrisMorgan: Hello Chris. :) 06:17:27 Hello pa_5740 06:17:53 What do you think of this? http://www.lupopensuite.com/index.htm 06:19:35 http://portableapps.com/search/node/lupo 06:26:43 ChrisMorgan: What can be done about such? 06:31:37 ChrisMorgan: Although I did notice that they had Unlocker & CPU-Z among their list of apps. 06:32:07 ChrisMorgan: Really curious because it says on this page: http://www.lupopensuite.com/db/author/unlocker.txt 06:32:20 That they obtained permission to do such. 06:34:03 That guy isn't entirely unscrupulous; I wouldn't be surprised if he did get permission with them. 06:43:05 *** Gringoloco (~Gringoloc@unaffiliated/gringoloco) has joined #portableapps 06:51:38 ChrisMorgan: Mind if I chat with you in private? 06:53:50 pa_5740: I'm about to go 06:54:02 ChrisMorgan: Okay. 06:57:02 To ask a different question, how portable is Unlocker Portable? For reference, I mean the one on the authors' site. 06:57:12 http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/#download 06:57:14 No idea. 06:57:17 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Quit messages are inane.) 07:06:07 Gringoloco: You around? 07:06:44 Yes, but don't scare me away ;) 07:09:10 pa_5740: Did you want to ask something ? 07:09:42 Gringoloco: Yes, sorry for not repsonding. 07:10:42 Gringoloco: In regards to my last question, do you know how portable Unlocker Portable is? 07:11:56 I wouldn't know, you'll have to try out yourself. 07:12:41 Okay. 07:17:38 *** HuggyBear (kvirc@93.182.156.35) has joined #portableapps 07:21:23 *** evilaucg has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 07:23:10 Well, I must be going now. Good night or Good morning, wherever you may be! 07:23:21 *** pa_5740 has quit (Quit: Leaving) 07:23:42 *** auscompgeek (znc@firefox/community/auscompgeek) has joined #portableapps 07:45:42 *** pa_5654 (43bcac3c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.188.172.60) has joined #portableapps 07:46:23 *** pa_5654 has quit (Client Quit) 08:11:48 *** Gringoloco_ (~Gringoloc@91.92.152.140) has joined #portableapps 08:15:20 *** Gringoloco has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 08:20:20 *** Gringoloco_ is now known as Gringoloco 08:20:50 *** Gringoloco has quit (Changing host) 08:20:50 *** Gringoloco (~Gringoloc@unaffiliated/gringoloco) has joined #portableapps 08:27:48 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 08:47:43 *** MadBraz (bacf8ea5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.207.142.165) has joined #portableapps 08:47:55 Good morning 08:48:18 There are someone to help me with a issue???? 08:49:34 MadBraz: what issue do you have? 08:49:37 *** MaienM|Sleep is now known as MaienM 08:49:53 with GoogleEarthPlus Portable.... 08:50:11 until yesterday... this work 100% 08:50:14 but right now 08:51:15 When I click on EXE... nothing occur... just appear in process TAB from Windows Task Manager 08:51:34 just like app HALT or something 08:51:42 hmmm 08:51:52 what is this??? what can a do to solve this???? 08:52:03 well you have to keep in mind that that is not one of our official apps, but a beta/test app 08:52:09 so it probably is a bug in the app 08:52:21 ohhhh 08:52:26 maybe 08:52:31 you probably want to post about it in the thread for the app, so the developer knows and can look into it 08:52:35 But.... as I say.... 08:52:41 until yesterday... works 08:52:54 MadBraz: that's not from PortableApps.com at all, is it? 08:52:57 something changes on my system???? or in the app???? 08:53:03 well you could start by reinstalling it 08:53:07 to see if that fixes it 08:53:18 I just try that 08:53:23 aready do this 08:53:30 but nothing fixes 08:53:42 MadBraz: just to clarify, did you get this app from portableapps.com? 08:53:54 I got another apps from glogleearth too 08:54:01 thats works perfect 08:54:07 but this is a pro version 08:54:07 MadBraz: I think what you've got is an illegal app anyway - where did it come from? 08:54:15 no 08:54:19 not illegal 08:54:24 Are you sure? 08:54:30 I just trying to use plusversion 08:54:33 its free 08:54:48 MadBraz: please answer my question, did you get this from portableapps.com or not? 08:54:50 MadBraz: but the portable version didn't come from anywhere on portableapps.com? 08:55:07 wiat a moment please 08:55:14 sorry for my poor english 08:55:17 MadBraz: or did you create the portable app yourself? 08:55:17 wait 08:55:23 no... 08:55:28 I just download this 08:55:35 I show you where 08:55:56 also, GE+ has been discontinued for a while 08:56:09 nowadays it either is GE or GE Pro, the latter of which is not free 08:56:38 and for the record, GE+ wasn't free either 08:57:00 alright 08:57:06 this is the URL 08:57:07 http://portableappz.blogspot.com/search?q=GoogleEarth 08:57:20 MadBraz: that definately is an illegal copy 08:57:30 that website is known to distribute illegal apps 08:57:31 So, it's an illegal rip and an illegal repackaging. I would strongly advise that you don't use any apps from that site; as well as being illegal some at least have serious issues with destroying the user profile and things like that. 08:57:38 in this page 08:57:43 We are not affiliated with the PortableAppz blog in any way. 08:57:48 you can see 2 versions 08:57:54 I try the PLUS 08:57:59 thats free 08:58:06 MadBraz: it's illegal. 08:58:12 oh yeah 08:58:21 GE+ is NOT free, they just distribute it for free 08:58:29 how can a know that???? 08:58:35 hummmmmm 08:58:38 it's like how you can download photoshop for free, but it really isn't 08:59:02 also, as I said, GE+ has been discontinued for over a year, so the version you get will be outdated 08:59:03 tell me something 08:59:22 on GE website 08:59:25 I advise to just use the version from us, the normal, non plus/pro version, which is completely legal 08:59:32 there are a plus ver yet 08:59:47 and for a free download too 08:59:58 MadBraz: http://earth.google.com/intl/en/enterprise/earth_plus.html 09:00:03 where I just wrong there 09:00:08 nope, there just is a PRO, not a PLUS 09:00:16 welll 09:00:27 I just see with more attention so 09:00:43 let me see this url you give me 09:00:52 It just says that Plus is discontinued. 09:01:52 yeah 09:01:54 thats right 09:02:13 I just pass over from news 09:02:15 sorry 09:04:36 Thank you very much Chris.... 09:04:54 See ya 09:05:06 *** MadBraz has quit (Quit: Page closed) 09:05:31 That's the second question about their Google Earth in three days... 09:06:51 *** HuggyBear has quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 09:09:25 Wow. 09:10:18 also, CM and auscompgeek, not to be a PITA but we have RULES about comments when someone is doing support, and those rules are not "make them in #portableapps" 09:10:53 afaik, I didn't make any "comments". 09:11:32 you did, a few times 09:11:42 anyway, I'm off to have breakfast now 09:13:12 * auscompgeek shrugs 09:15:29 *** ChrisMorgan1 (~ChrisMorg@c114-76-0-175.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #portableapps 09:15:31 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09:19:37 *** ChrisMorgan1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:40:47 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 09:56:48 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:58:58 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@c114-76-0-175.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #portableapps 09:59:03 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Changing host) 09:59:03 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 10:25:22 *** dbdii407 (~dbdii407-@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 10:25:23 dbdii407 is Dave, Owner of the ScrapIRC Network. 10:54:19 *** Twinkletoes (~chatzilla@161.73.146.9) has joined #portableapps 12:28:34 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 12:49:30 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 12:49:30 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 13:02:04 ChrisMorgan: do you know where John is at in terms of the new installer format etc? 13:02:13 like is he getting close to releasing it 13:02:27 I don't know 13:03:17 :/ I know he's holding out updates till it's done but I got PChat 1.2 ready that I want to push on PortableApps.com soon 13:27:13 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13:42:35 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 13:42:40 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 13:45:25 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Client Quit) 13:45:32 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 14:12:48 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14:33:00 *** Computator (rlifshay@unaffiliated/computator) has joined #portableapps 14:36:19 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 14:36:19 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 14:40:07 *** Computator has quit (Quit: Computator) 14:40:44 *** Computator (rlifshay@unaffiliated/computator) has joined #portableapps 14:44:59 ZachThibeau: i found a problem on pchat-irc.com, on the downloads page, about halfway down on the right side it has a image that isn't there, the image url is http://pchat-irc.com/pchat-downloads/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/2.png but nothing is there 14:47:29 ZachThibeau: and also the forums link on the same page is a relative link, not a absolute link, so that doesn't work either, it makes the link point to http://pchat-irc.com/pchat-downloads/forums.html which of course says not found 14:51:26 Computator: you have anything else unsignificant to report? 14:51:48 I know of the issues, I'm just lazy thats all 14:51:52 i'll tell you if i find something 14:51:54 oh ok 14:51:56 me too 14:52:12 also: Tree View icons: Type /set tab_icons 1 to enable them and then restart PChat. 14:52:17 i can't get that to work 14:52:27 when I said you have anything else unsignificant to report? thats called sarcasm and read the comment in the docs 14:52:35 please stop is all I can say 14:52:38 ok 14:52:53 sorry :( 14:53:01 the docs are in need to of rewriting anyways 14:54:19 ummm, sorry, i can't find a comment about it 14:54:24 i searched it w/ google too 14:55:00 and i've wanted that feature for awhile 14:57:48 some of the icons and stuff are specific features of the shareware xchat build 14:58:01 oh ok 14:58:06 stuff zed refuses to share with others openly 14:58:14 oh :P 14:59:06 another reason I'm doing a rewrite is to have those specific features added :P 14:59:19 oh ok cool 15:01:24 I'm tempted to maybe impliment a basic skinning system too, nothing fancy though more like a personas feature similar to that of firefox 15:01:38 that would be cool :) 15:01:52 oh cool, a new release 15:01:54 thanks :) 15:02:17 and yes there is a new PChat release, the portable version will have to wait for the new installer for the platform though :/ 15:02:28 ok 15:04:25 and the linux build will have to wait too since I screwed up my ubuntu install I had on my secondary partition trying to upgrade to 10.10 beta 15:05:21 ohhh :( that's no fun 15:05:54 the issue is related to fglrx though 15:07:13 it didn't update the driver when the kernel upgraded, and the fgrlx ati driver needs to run with the kernel so what I mean is the driver is not compatible with the new kernel 15:07:35 oh ok, i was guessing something like that 15:07:39 that's no good 15:07:54 drivers are no fun 15:09:32 would it be possible to move the new messages marker up 1 or 2 px so the line immediately below it is easier to read? sometimes i have to clear the marker to tell 15:12:45 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 15:13:44 Computator: that road will be crossed when we get there, so please wait and be patient, we want to produce a functional binary first before taking on requests 15:13:59 ok 15:26:10 *** Computator has quit (Quit: Computator) 15:26:23 *** Computator (rlifshay@unaffiliated/computator) has joined #portableapps 15:41:30 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a81-84-180-200.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 15:58:41 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 16:13:25 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 16:29:20 *** Barkon (58824bcc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.130.75.204) has joined #portableapps 16:29:26 hi there 16:29:45 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 16:30:36 how can i add a link to the portable add startmenu? 16:30:38 *** TASAIRES (~TASAIRES@84.121.184.86.dyn.user.ono.com) has joined #portableapps 16:32:46 anyone out there? 16:32:52 *** ptmb is now known as ptmb|away 16:33:59 *** TASAIRES has quit (Client Quit) 16:34:48 hi Barkon 16:34:59 *** TimClark (8087e34a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.135.227.74) has joined #portableapps 16:35:03 so you wish to add a link to a website to the portableapps menu, am i right? 16:35:05 how can i add a link to the portable add startmenu? any idea? 16:35:18 Barkon: please stand by 16:35:30 k tim 16:36:05 Barkon: what do you mean when you say a "link", do you mean to an app, or a webpage link ? 16:36:15 to an app 16:36:19 *.lnk 16:36:26 please read this: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingotherapps 16:36:34 That will show you how 16:37:00 Barkon: *.lnk is not an app, it is a short cut 16:37:25 sry im from germany :D vocabulary not so good :D 16:37:41 If you follow the instructions I have you it will show you where to put the APP so it will show up on the menu 16:38:09 thas how i add an *.exe to the menu 16:38:21 but there are to many *.exe in the app folder 16:38:30 If you REALLY want to just add a link [*.lnk] I don't know if you can 16:38:50 Barkon: you can hide the other .exes 16:39:02 1 add hite 10? :D 16:39:14 *hide 16:39:22 If you are asking can you hide 10 .exes, yes 16:39:26 i just think it give another way 16:39:41 What is the app? 16:39:49 XAMPP :D 16:40:11 Barkon: please stand by 16:41:24 Barkon: sar3th will be helping you from this point 16:41:35 fine 16:41:51 Barkon: there is a way to add an entry to your menu which will point to anything you like 16:42:05 i wrote a guide on how to do it with batch files here: http://portableapps.com/node/21757 16:42:17 thx 16:42:40 you should be able to achieve what you want by following this guide and substituting your exe file where i speak of batch files 16:43:15 ill try 16:43:15 thx 16:43:40 Thank you sar3th , and good luck Barkon 16:43:41 you're welcome! if you got any problems or further questions, feel free to ask 16:45:05 * TimClark likes working with sar3th , he knows how to work in the background and come forth when asked :D 16:45:47 ty TimClark :) 16:46:13 Barkon: I am now going to open the floor for other things, if you need further help please jump in 16:46:16 *** rainroom69 (~RainrooM@94-224-138-250.access.telenet.be) has joined #portableapps 16:46:26 sar3th: I would like you check out something for me 16:46:54 sure thing 16:46:57 Please look at my reply to this: http://portableapps.com/node/24835#comment-157445 16:47:10 Does what I see/think make sense? 16:48:05 I'm not saying that I know where ANY of that stuff SHOULD be, but it does not seem to be where the app is looking for it 16:48:24 Based on LOGIC at least 16:53:12 *** BjornH (~BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 16:54:38 TimClark: what you said makes sense 16:56:13 sar3th: works fine thx 16:58:43 Barkon: good :) 16:59:00 TimClark: i assume his problems are related to the space in his directory 16:59:04 cya 16:59:09 bye Barkon 16:59:15 "PhotoScape Portable" should be "PhotoScapePortable" 16:59:18 *** Barkon has quit (Quit: Page closed) 16:59:38 sar3th: do you mean the directory name ? 16:59:44 yes indeed 16:59:55 I agree, but locically that is not his problem 17:00:05 yes 17:00:31 i will try to reproduce that behaviour 17:01:04 You should not need to, it makes sense, his .ini and .ico are in the wrong place 17:01:28