00:11:40 *** SergentSiler is now known as SrgSiler|AFK 00:14:16 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 00:33:39 *** pa_3327 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 01:37:46 *** ronjn has quit (Quit: Rien n'est vrai. Tout est permis.) 01:42:58 *** ronjn (ronjn@dslb-088-066-111-176.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #portableapps 01:48:19 *** Withoutaname (~Withoutan@pool-71-108-22-163.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 01:48:19 *** Withoutaname has quit (Changing host) 01:48:19 *** Withoutaname (~Withoutan@unaffiliated/withoutaname) has joined #portableapps 02:11:26 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 02:15:46 Gizmokid2005: I just pulled Songbird Portable. It wipes the local Songbird preferences and database. I verified it twice on my Windows 7 x64 Ultimate box. 02:16:41 JohnTHaller: sonofa...GRR! I'll have to look into it...there's no way it's even possible....it uses the --profile switch and touches the DB on the drive...I'll look at it though. Not sure wtf the problem could be 02:16:46 can you send me your portable profile? 02:17:03 there might be something new in the prefs.js or some new hex file I have to mess with 02:17:09 It's the default. This was a first clean run of Songbird Portable with no changes. 02:17:40 Can you send it anyways? I can check for missing/mismatched entries. I don't have a local install and have only used portable 02:18:15 I mean there's really nothing to send. This was a first run of portable with nothing happening and nothing imported. 02:19:40 Gimme a minute. I'm gonna try and clean install Songbird Local and try and reproduce a 3rd time. 02:19:51 Humor me? I'm going to assume that you don't have the portable on the same drive as local, right? 02:20:34 I did. I had installed it to my desktop to test it. I generally do this before releasing to ensure proper portability (it stress tests same drive behavior, spaces in paths, etc). 02:20:38 *** BjornH has quit (Quit: Leaving) 02:21:33 Actually no. The second time it was on another drive. It crashed at the end of first run when I closed it. 1.8 seems very buggy 02:21:36 Hmmm, try it on a different drive letter and see if it still happens... 02:21:44 i know they're already blogging about 1.9 02:21:51 I don't expect that to be far behind. 02:22:02 but I don't want to skip 1.8 either, they did a lot of cleanup to the UI 02:22:08 I've been thinking about switching to another media player honestly 02:22:57 I'll be honest, I haven't used Songbird a whole lot 02:23:01 not since they jumped to 1.7.x 02:23:06 they had the right idea in 1.4 02:23:20 they're too commercialized/wedon'tcare since 1.7.x now 02:23:23 *to now 02:24:13 Ok, wiped appdata and uninstalled SB. Fresh install of SB locally. Setting up music library now. 02:25:19 Wow, 1.8 is buggy. Can't reimport my music library. Context menus showing up blank. Lemme reboot just to be sure nothing else is up. 02:25:22 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 02:36:44 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 02:38:24 Ok, SB reinstalled locally, library rebuilt. 02:42:20 Installed SBP to separate drive, ran and did initial setup. Closed. Local DB is wiped again. 02:42:33 :-( 02:44:20 Restoring APPDATA\Roaming\Songbird2 and APPDATA\Local\Songbird2 brings it back (I backed those two up this time) 02:46:05 2nd run (non first run setup) of SBP results in the local DB wiped again. SBP.exe runs the whole time until SB.exe closes. So something in SB changed majorly in 1.8.0. 02:48:35 Gizmokid2005: You made no launcher changes in the new version correct? 02:49:50 Correct JohnTHaller 02:50:05 it's identical to previous versions 02:50:07 I didn't even recompile 02:51:26 wait... 02:51:36 those files still exist after close? 02:51:43 or did you create them before running SBP? 02:51:51 what files? 02:51:58 APPDATA\Roaming\Songbird2 and APPDATA\Local\Songbird2 02:52:07 Yes. That's LOCAL Songbird's stuff. 02:52:09 *** Vipershadow (~Vipershad@adsl-44-4-104.pfn.bellsouth.net) has joined #portableapps 02:52:23 OHHH, I misread 02:52:31 you just put them back after SBP closed... 02:52:39 so songbird isn't restoring them right. 02:52:42 :/ 02:53:02 Sonbird isn't supposed to be messing with them. 02:53:47 We should probably do an update to backup and restore those directories. Is SBP alread single instance? 02:53:48 /supposed/ 02:53:53 Sounds to me like it's probably easiest to report it as a bug and skip 1.8.0 and go with a 1.8.1 if they do it. Especially if it's buggy otherwise too. 02:54:18 JohnTHaller: yes 02:54:59 Yeah, I don't know if it saves portable stuff to the local DB or just wipes it. It may completely ignore the -profile switch now. And I don't really have time to work on it myself atm. Too busy with all these updates and platform stuff. 02:55:48 We have to make a statement about the release for anyone that already has it at the very least. Which is gonna make us look bad if we don't have an updated piece of software to replace it with. 02:56:12 Yeah, I'll look at it, either tonight or tomorrow. 02:56:23 it's jsut replacing the local APPDATA fixing it 02:56:27 positive? 02:56:46 *** Vipershadow has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02:57:01 I have NO idea. I have not troubleshooted it at all other than ensuring I didn't lose my stuff. As I said, it could be ignoring -profile completely now. 02:57:33 Alright, well looks like it could be a pita to find, but I'll dig into it in my other VM tomorrow. Going to be hard being short 1GB ram, but I"ll see what I can do about an update for you tomorrow 02:57:38 Gizmokid2005: What's your ETA to work on it and have a fix ready? If it's tomorrow, we'll have to make a statement tonight. 02:57:39 *** Withoutaname has quit (Quit: Leaving) 02:57:53 I don't know if I can fix it tonight, but I'm looking already 02:58:39 Hmm... just realised that Sweet Home 3D is ® 02:59:59 yeah JohnTHaller, it looks like it might be ignoring -profile, since I don't touch anything in the $APPDATA\Songbird2\ folder BUT Crash Reports 03:01:55 Ok, it is not ignoring -profile 03:02:16 The profile in Data\profile is still populated and is properly containing the music database. 03:02:31 It seems that SB is *also* messing up the local SB stuff when it runs for some reason. 03:02:48 if it is, it's technically ignoring -profile 03:03:26 just a quick question notSBP related...for FF4Beta, can we use the built-in updater without messing anything up? 03:03:31 Yes 03:03:44 Ok, if there is no local SB, nothing is left in APPDATA or LOCALAPPDATA 03:03:46 alright. I figured, but wanted to be sure. I knew at one point it was a huge nono 03:03:49 Gizmokid2005: it was fixed in 3.6, all releases since work fine 03:03:55 thanks ChrisMorgan 03:03:59 I thought it'd been fixed. 03:04:07 Not sure about the status in Thunderbird though - do you know, John? 03:05:47 should be working also 03:06:03 Just in the 3 line or in 2.something as well? 03:08:47 Alright, so it only blows up the local install (ie - touches $APPDATA\Songbird2 iff it already exists)... 03:08:55 we can see exactly what it wants to play with then... 03:11:38 Ok, I added in backing up directories and restoring after close. But SBP crashed on exit and it still trashed the local DB. 03:12:11 is songbird.exe crashing or the launcher? 03:12:38 sb 03:12:48 Oh wait, hang on, I messed up one line 03:17:17 Of coursem the crash reporter isn't working right either... 03:17:47 Eek. Sounds scary. 03:20:17 *** OliverK (~WifiWomba@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 03:20:51 JohnTHaller: it's not Trashing the folders 03:20:53 Ok, I think I have it all. It's quick n dirty and a lil messy codewise. 03:20:55 it's killing them completely 03:20:58 But it should work in all instances. 03:21:01 it's gotta be in the launcher somewhere 03:21:07 Not doing it quick and dirty 03:21:10 It's not the launcher. It's SB 03:21:10 it's going to be done right 03:21:19 too much of that crap going on where I work 03:21:39 *** OliverK is now known as OliverK|Chow 03:21:40 Well, we already screwed the poosh in releasing software that is out there possibly killing local data right now. 03:21:44 pooch 03:22:35 I'd show you, but pastebin just quick working. Yay 03:22:43 pastie.org 03:23:12 http://pastie.org/1171443 03:23:26 449 downloads of Songbird thus far 03:23:28 wow 03:23:42 I removed MULTIPLEINSTANCE support, obviously 03:23:59 I have the launcher backup APPDATA\Songbird2 and LOCALAPPDATA\Songbird2. 03:24:22 On exit, it will delete those two directories and restore the -BackupBySongbirdPortable versions. 03:24:29 right 03:24:29 But there's one extra bit of messy logic 03:24:31 I'm still looking 03:24:40 if nothing else I'll drop it early tomorrow afternoon with that for you 03:24:52 I'd like to ultimately get them to fix it, or find the real cause before re-releasing 03:26:52 Has the Songbird Portable executable been removed from SourceForge? 03:28:37 Nope 03:29:00 I reckon it should be then if we don't want people to download it. 03:29:24 if nothing else, at least renamed so links spread via spider/indexing are broke 03:29:52 It attempts to delete the two local dirs (to restore the backups). If it fails, it waits two seconds then tells the user to ensure SB and the crash reporter are closed and then click OK. It then tries again. 03:30:27 We have multiple download sites (nonSF) that take every release we post and mirror and host downloads of it. Usually within an hour or so of release. 03:31:03 I mean it's quick and dirty in terms of the prettiness of the code and the gotos. The logic is sound and I've tested it with and without a SB crash. 03:31:29 Honestly, I'd be comfortable releasing this as we've now insulated the local SB from the misbehaving SB within SBP. 03:32:08 * ChrisMorgan still wonders whether it's worth releasing if it's so easy to crash SB... 03:32:23 If you're sure and comfortable with it, release it JohnTHaller, I'm going to keep digging and see if I can isolate what's going on. 03:32:28 By releasing this, the same sites will start spreading the new Rev. And we can include the release notes that 1.8 can cause data loss and 1.8 Rev 2 shoud be upgraded top 03:32:47 ChrisMorgan: I still can't reproduce any crashes on my Win7 X64 or XP VMs or even OSX with 1.8 03:32:48 It's def a SB issue, Gizmokid2005. It's not the launcher itself. It's doing what it always did. 03:33:18 Oh, you're killing it to crash it, are you? It was just something failing earlier, not crashing. 03:33:27 It seems to only crash if you interrupt it when it is attempting to mount (and by mount it means search every file on) an external drive. 03:33:50 Oh, so it /is/ a valid crash. Good. (Or bad, as the case may be.) 03:33:58 But SB tries to do this every time you start it on a maching with external drives it hasn't been told to ignore yet. 03:34:14 ANd I have 4 external USB hard drives with 4TB of files on em. 03:35:30 Yeek. 03:35:46 You guys look through the ending logic yet? 03:36:03 I haven't, I don't have a copy of the old launcher to hand to compare it with either 03:36:42 You don't really need it. The meat of it is lines 440 to 461 03:36:48 http://pastie.org/1171443 03:36:56 no, I'm digging through the file operations in Process Monitor right now 03:37:19 Make sure you have a local SB profile, otherwise it may not do anything. 03:38:27 I know, I checked without and it doesn't 03:38:33 I"m testing in my VM now. 03:38:37 JohnTHaller: is RMDir /s a synchronous or asynchronous operation? 03:38:53 sync i believe 03:39:15 But it fails if something is locking the folder. Which means you can't then rename the other folder back. 03:39:45 as I suspected 03:39:48 the launcher is the culprit 03:39:49 That's what I believe it is too. Point: check, wait two seconds, check - did you mean to have a RMDir after the two seconds or such? 03:40:04 Yeah, ignore that, I already ditched it. 03:40:32 The launcher is not the thing messing up the local install. It doesn't touch the local data files itself at all. Which is why it works just fine with 1.7.3. 03:41:01 Yes it is JohnTHaller 03:41:14 Songbirdportable.exe is overwriting and killing $APPDATA\Songbird2 03:41:20 I'm not sure why, but it is. 03:41:27 Of course it is, when it's empty. 03:41:29 I just verified with ProcMon 03:41:31 Always has. 03:41:37 Did back in 1.4 too 03:41:39 No no. You don't understand 03:42:47 After I close songbird.exe and the exe dies, SongbirdPortable.exe runs and CREATES $APPDATA\Songbird2 (overwriting what's already there, which I verified before launching SBP), and then deletes it because it no longer contains anything. So it's empty. 03:42:50 Ok, when I say it's messing up my local DB. I'm saying that the files are still there. The APPDATA\SB2 directory is still there. It's not deleted after running SBP 1.8.0. It's just been somehow corrupted/reset. 03:43:10 with my local install, it blew away the profile folder entirely. 03:43:34 this is XP mind you not Win7 03:43:51 Ok, and I'm saying there's nothing in the launcher that is set to do that. Which is why it works fine with SBP 1.7.3 03:44:25 My local files are still there (40mb of them) in APPDATA\Songbird2 and LOCALAPPDATA\Songbird2 after I run SBP 1.8.0. 03:45:04 Hang on. I'll WinMerge em. 03:46:33 The CreateDirectory command will fail if a dir already exists. RMDir will only remove a dir if it is empty. 03:46:37 I know what you're saying JohnTHaller 03:46:48 but I"m telling you, I watched it blow away %APPDATA%\Songbird2 03:47:23 And I'm telling you that it's probably messing up which process is doing it and it's actually SB doing it, but it is attributing it to SBP because SB is its child process in Windows. I've seen it before. 03:48:15 Hmm... wait a minute. 03:49:19 Could I have a copy of the original launcher? I don't feel like downloading all of Songbird at the moment. 03:49:25 It is deleting it. 03:49:26 No, ProcMon doesn't confuse processes. 03:49:29 I told you it was 03:49:35 APPDATA. Not LOCALAPPDATA 03:49:37 I'm not exaggerating. It's blowing it away 03:49:40 Yes, that's what I said. 03:49:54 This is XP 03:50:00 there is /no/ %localappdata% 03:50:04 And it is doing the same in 1,7,3 03:50:22 Line 444 in the current launcher is RMDir /r "$APPDATA\Songbird2\" which should NOT be there 03:50:32 *** OliverK|Chow is now known as OliverK 03:50:46 Yep 03:50:50 that's what I was going to tell you 03:51:19 I took out the MULTIPLEINSTANCES so it's line 440 03:51:21 and 438 03:52:07 Ok, this bug has been present in all versions of SBP 03:52:09 Back to 1.2 03:52:25 How the heck did no one notice this? 03:52:44 JohnTHaller: use this: http://pastebin.org/1009982 03:52:52 *shrugs* that's my question 03:53:03 use that launcher, recompile and you shouldn't have any issues. 03:53:23 Eek :-) 03:53:29 I think the only change we need is to remove that one line, no? 03:53:36 Just use what I gave you 03:53:36 Multi Instance is still ok in there 03:53:40 No need for it 03:53:42 it doesn't support it 03:53:45 I'd rather keep changes to a minimum 03:53:49 and I took out another RMDir /r 03:53:49 is possible 03:53:58 and updated the dates 03:54:29 I'm looking at the 1.8.0 launcher. All that needs changing is ditching line 442 no? 03:54:34 hang on 03:55:07 Update #1-2 to 2010 03:55:09 and delete 442 and 444 03:56:07 Actually 442 should stay. That gets backed up and restored. Just 444 should go. 03:56:28 RMDir /r "$TEMP\Songbird\" 03:56:30 (443 restores the dir deleted in 442) 03:56:30 that? 03:56:36 Yup 03:56:46 No 03:56:49 they don't use that folder anymore 03:56:57 Sure? 03:57:15 Yep 03:57:18 Songbird2 for a long time 03:57:47 TEMP\Songbird2? 03:59:17 You can leave It I suppose...I can't find it anywhere anymore...it doesn't hurt I suppose. 03:59:25 leave it to be safe, I'll dig more before the next release 03:59:29 Is TEMP\Songbird2 used now? 03:59:38 I can't find %TEMP% anything anymore... 03:59:42 but I don't want to chance it 03:59:42 Ah ok 03:59:46 if it's there, I found it at one point 04:00:00 (and apparently didn't want users to use local installs of songbird as well!) 04:00:07 Ok, I'll leace it for now 04:00:13 leave 04:00:21 k, adding to my todo 04:00:22 I just deleted taht one line, updated copyright and version # 04:00:50 I can't think of anything else 04:01:33 Contained TEMP directories the PAL way work well. With PAL you just never need to worry about it because by default it contains it. 04:01:35 I can.. I'm testing it right now :) 04:01:49 Lol JohnTHaller 04:01:56 You can test faster than I can right now 04:02:13 And as for the main bug... ;-) Just think: with PAL, such a bug would either (a) affect everything and so be noticed much earlier, or (b) be noticed because it's obvious in the INI file with many fewer lines, or most likely (c) not exist for the reasons in (b). 04:02:17 running on limited resources...had one of my OCZ RAM sticks have the heatsinks come off the last few chips on the stick and looks like it cooked them... 04:02:33 ChrisMorgan: so glad you can put a plug in 04:02:37 and since I run 1GB sticks...that's 1/4 of my total ram. 04:02:38 It works now 04:02:42 Cool JohnTHaller 04:02:53 ChrisMorgan: yes, PAL would be simpler to view...but a pain to convert to. 04:03:15 Yeah, that's the problem. Conversion definitely takes effort. 04:03:40 The launcher took me 2 weeks to write and get finished up the way it is now, no way I'm restarting that. 04:04:10 It wouldn't be so bad. We could completely reuse the SQL bits as custom code. 04:04:31 It tends to be just getting the gist of what it's doing and converting the concepts across. With the SQL stuff and a bit of other stuff you'd need custom code, but even that is very neat in PAL. 04:04:31 yeah, but I still have to reimplement the hex reading for one 04:04:51 Not saying it can't be done, but I don't have the time to do a full conversion 04:04:57 and then deal with the unavoidable bugs 04:05:02 Oh yeah, I forgot about the HEX stuff :) 04:05:12 Like my stuff in OOo IIRC 04:05:28 I didn't know OO.o has hex stuff...had I known that...it probably wouldn't have taken that long 04:05:35 but I don't think it is. 04:05:45 that's the main reason Songbird doesn't do well with moving 04:06:03 Ok, 1.8 to 1.8 Rev 2 upgrades properly. 1.8 Rev 2 doesn't mess up local. I'm posting it. 04:06:10 go for it. 04:06:52 give me a heads up when you get to DamnVid as well 04:07:25 That stuff actually wouldn't be very hard to change. It'd just be putting the code in the right place and changing a couple of bits about the variable being used. 04:08:20 i'm sure you're very proud of your toy. But you weren't originally adding anything to the current conversation. 04:09:44 huh? 04:11:18 messed up my tenses, huh 04:12:48 *** idwebpulsa (~idwebpuls@114.123.105.41) has joined #portableapps 04:12:55 *** idwebpulsa has parted #portableapps (None) 04:14:20 Ok, it's up: http://portableapps.com/news/2010-09-20_-_songbird_portable_1.8.0_rev_2 04:14:31 Gizmokid2005: for next time, there's also dead code in PluginsEnvironment, StrCmp $PLUGINSDIRECTORY "" LaunchNow and the couple of lines after it which can be removed. There's no variable $PLUGINSDIRECTORY any more so that'll be evaluating like [$PLUGINSDIR]ECTORY, e.g. C:\Temp\ns12345ECTORY. 04:15:35 Good :-) 04:15:41 Wow, that was an annoying houur or so 04:15:44 JohnTHaller: also when you're ready I'd like Sweet Home 3D Portable to move on to PR, it's #24 in the SourceForge.net top 25. 128x128 logo: http://sweethome3d.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/sweethome3d/SweetHome3D/src/com/eteks/sweethome3d/viewcontroller/resources/help/images/sweethome3d.png 04:15:45 Sweet Home 3D has its own splash screen, 400x200 like the main body bit of ours - http://sweethome3d.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/sweethome3d/SweetHome3D/deploy/SweetHome3DSplashScreen.jpg - do you reckon we should have our own splash as well or modify the main SH3D one? We'll need to get permission either way from eTeks anyhow for use of the SH3D registered trademark. 04:16:59 I say we do a subtle mod of theirs. Ask permission first and we can send them a mockup 04:18:27 Sounds good to me. 04:19:16 Hang on, I'll do the mockup you can send em... 04:21:06 And SMPlayer needs getting out too, did you create a splash screen for it ever? If not, logo at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/SMPlayer_icon.png but it's 150x150 which is probably a bit larger than you want it. Doesn't seem to be an SVG version anywhere. 04:21:25 smplayer is on the long list 04:21:35 http://portableapps.com/node/19705 04:22:59 http://portableapps.com/temp/SweetHome3DPortable.jpg 04:23:06 Yeah, just not sure whether you'd created a splash for it. 04:23:28 I will when I release it. It's already approved for release so I'll just throw it on as I package it. 04:24:03 Not sure if the Portable should be on the left instead to get out of the way of the logo a bit. 04:24:12 Let eteks know we can go subtler, more their splash. Or just their unmodded splash if they want. 04:24:23 Left looks awful 04:24:40 OK. 04:25:20 We can do 'portable' smaller and on the left if that's their pref, too. And if they are distributing it, we'll put their URL where /SweetHome... is 04:30:54 *** OliverK is now known as OliverK|Away 04:34:59 OliverK|Away: just looking at Geany now, it's more than I thought, with compiler support and whatnot; does Geany Portable tie in easily with MinGW Portable or any compilers like that? 05:00:22 Ok, bed for me. gnight all 05:08:44 G'nite 05:09:19 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 05:30:39 ChrisMorgan: yeah 05:30:51 there's a post\discussion about it 05:32:20 ChrisMorgan: http://portableapps.com/node/18669#comment-155389 05:33:21 Could be nice if that would be automatically detected. Then we'll have good reason to push MinGW Portable out too. 05:33:54 mingw portable is several version out of date 05:34:14 there's no reason to build support into for mingw. aside from the fact that mingw sucks 05:34:24 Need to ask sar3th about that. 05:34:49 no. mingw sucks. didn't say mingw portable sucked. as far as being out of date 05:34:52 What other compilers dose Geany support? 05:35:02 what do you want it to support 05:35:23 everything in geany works off of the path. 05:35:51 that's why i have the path addition. I haven't figured out how to make nsis work, but that's because nsis' compiler is stupid 05:36:08 Are you giving it makensis.exe or makensisw.exe? 05:36:15 makensisw 05:36:31 i played with it when the new build system was official 05:36:56 something funky in nsis, i had it fixed once in AHK, but i've kinda forgotten what i did 05:36:58 That's the issue - makensis.exe is the thing that actually does the compiling, w is the GUI version. 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Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums 13:20:44 Seagate "To Go" Drive named Poratable Apps.com - want to change the name back to original name - how? 13:21:22 Just click on the label in the corner of the Platform. 13:22:30 Thanks - great programs - makes my history research much much much easier . 13:22:40 *** pa_5491 has quit (Client Quit) 13:39:10 *** Mercury044 (~Brent@c-68-61-97-157.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 13:41:00 *** MaienM|Sleep has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 13:45:26 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 13:45:26 MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable. 13:50:09 *** BlackRogue (~BlkRogue@CPE001cdf72d1f1-CM001868522c64.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #portableapps 14:09:32 *** rainroom69 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 14:15:17 *** Mercury044 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 14:17:19 *** Withoutaname (~Withoutan@pool-71-108-10-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 14:17:22 *** Withoutaname has quit (Changing host) 14:17:22 *** Withoutaname (~Withoutan@unaffiliated/withoutaname) has joined #portableapps 14:19:32 *** computerfreaker (40c94702@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.201.71.2) has joined #portableapps 14:19:32 computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and Iron Portable, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback. 14:19:32 computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and Iron Portable, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback. 14:20:07 ChrisMorgan: got a moment? 14:20:16 Sort of 14:20:55 I'll make this quick, then. Can I add my own plugin dir to a PAL launcher using custom code? !addplugindir is failing. 14:21:59 !addpluginsdir 14:22:14 *** pa_4158 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 14:22:26 No, 'tis addplugindir 14:22:48 You should have something like !addplugindir ${PACKAGE}\App\AppInfo\Launcher 14:23:24 Thanks, I'll try that. I didn't have the ${PACKAGE} in there, just the name of my plugins dir. 14:23:25 I should put that in by default if the directory exists. It'd be useful for custom code. 14:23:47 Paths are relative to PortableApps.comLauncher.nsi which is in PortableApps.comLauncher\Other\Source 14:24:35 That explains it - I had assumed paths were relative to the app's Other\Source folder, not PAL's Other\Source folder. 14:28:54 And now it compiles. Thanks, Chris! 14:29:39 You're welcome :-) 14:35:20 brb, I've got to close webchat so I can test this 14:35:25 *** computerfreaker has quit (Quit: Page closed) 14:44:11 *** BlackRogue has quit (Quit: Leaving) 14:45:32 *** Withoutaname has quit (Quit: Leaving) 15:04:43 *** marlop|away has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) 15:11:07 *** rainroom69 (~RainrooM@94-224-138-250.access.telenet.be) has joined #portableapps 15:25:01 *** rainroom69 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15:26:23 *** rainroom69 (~RainrooM@94-224-138-250.access.telenet.be) has joined #portableapps 15:32:11 *** tgx (~tg@74.115.3.63) has joined #portableapps 15:32:33 *** tgx has parted #portableapps (None) 15:36:27 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15:48:03 *** JacobMastel (~Jacob_Mas@128-193-249-18.resnet.oregonstate.edu) has joined #portableapps 15:48:06 *** JacobMastel has parted #portableapps (None) 15:54:51 *** rainroom69 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 16:34:25 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@142.167.137.60) has joined #portableapps 16:34:25 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 16:34:25 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Changing host) 16:34:25 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 16:34:34 ... 16:45:26 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 16:45:42 *** rainroom69 (~RainrooM@94-224-138-250.access.telenet.be) has joined #portableapps 16:47:58 *** sar3th|PChat (~sar3th@frbg-5d84f580.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #portableapps 16:51:55 *** sar3th|PChat has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17:10:43 *** MaienM has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) 17:17:48 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17:26:08 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 17:27:03 *** JacobMastel (~Jacob_Mas@128-193-249-18.resnet.oregonstate.edu) has joined #portableapps 17:34:17 howdy JohnTHaller how is it going? 17:35:09 not bad. how goes it with you? 17:36:01 pretty good, getting PChat 2.0 close to be done for a technical preview :) 17:37:48 we almost kicked gtk out of the door (with the exception of glib at the moment) 17:39:34 I'm hoping by the end of october to have it into at least beta too 17:41:36 even the core engine of PChat got an overhaul of sorts too, so as of 2.0 PChat will most definetly a real fork of XChat 17:42:16 cool 17:42:48 *** computerfreaker (40c94702@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.201.71.2) has joined #portableapps 17:42:48 computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and Iron Portable, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback. 17:45:34 *** pa_2617 (5e88323f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.136.50.63) has joined #portableapps 17:46:04 hello 17:46:04 I need some help about pidgin portable 17:46:30 hi pa_2617, what seems to be the trouble 17:47:00 It seems that pidgin portable does not obey to this variable 17:47:09 not sure what you mean? 17:48:10 variable PIDGINLANG= in which is in the ini file located here C:\PidginPortable\Data\settings 17:48:35 Are you launching Pidgin Portable from the PA.c Platform/Menu? 17:48:36 I set the variable PIDGINLANG=en and pidgin still picks up the computer locale 17:48:36 so it is afected by the machine on which it is running 17:49:06 this locale is picked up by the gtkspell and mess a lot of things 17:49:16 that should be en_US shouldn't it since it's using gtk 17:49:23 true 17:49:53 I launch it using PidginPortable.exe 17:49:53 ok I'll check it out 17:50:27 or en_UK wherever you're from 17:50:39 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 17:50:40 MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable. 17:50:56 JohnTHaller: Thanks again for your help last night with Songbird 17:51:05 it's amazing we hadn't had any reports on that since it went official. 17:51:12 sure thing. thank you too 17:51:22 but of course :) 17:51:32 Looks like DamnVid is ready to go whenever you have time as well 17:51:45 already on the long list, so it's gotta wait 17:51:57 almost 200 downloads and no problems (yet) :) 17:52:04 no worries, long list means lots of new stuff 17:53:03 *** rainroom69 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 17:56:47 *** MaienM_ (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 17:56:57 *** MaienM has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17:58:28 ZachThibeau: thank you for giving me the correct value for the variable.It works now :) 17:58:42 pa_2617: excellent 18:01:30 you are most welcome pa_2617 18:13:50 *** MaienM_ is now known as MaienM 18:24:36 *** JacobMastel has parted #portableapps (None) 18:26:10 Has anybody used the latest Chrome Portable's portable passwords feature? 18:31:44 *** pa_4744 (6d61a854@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.97.168.84) has joined #portableapps 18:31:52 *** pa_4744 has quit (Client Quit) 18:38:35 *** joseduc (~josedu@131.247.244.21) has joined #portableapps 18:38:40 ?leave 18:38:46 *** joseduc has quit (Client Quit) 18:48:27 *** Simeon (~simeon@dslb-092-075-081-073.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #portableapps 18:48:44 hi all 18:48:55 hola 18:49:28 hi John. New installer just to add the english/british language? 18:49:42 And fix the 7z issue preventing new Skype version 18:49:50 right 18:49:54 noticed that too 18:50:15 Had switched to 7z beta to fix Unicode handling when installing to Unicode path. But it broke installers like Skype (oddly, 7z beta can't extract files from Skype installer but stable can) 18:50:29 strange 18:51:11 do you have a high res Icon so I can add it to the new Atanks release as 128 png? 18:52:18 http://portableapps.com/temp/atanks_no_blast.png 18:52:23 need to resize it 18:53:05 got it. Thanks 18:53:34 can IcoFX resize it or do I need something like GIMP to do the job? 18:54:14 dunno offhand 18:54:24 ok 18:54:43 ill figure it out. No need to steal your time for something like this. 18:59:05 is the installer ready enough for a new wave of updates? 19:00:06 It is. I'm working on them all 19:00:45 cool.I'll look into the new ATanks release tomorrow and send it to you, ok? 19:00:53 or are you working on it? 19:01:14 Yeah, you can do it :) 19:02:08 ok. the other would be assaultcube but that jsut needs a new installer I think. 19:04:43 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a81-84-180-200.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 19:10:42 Blast it. Iron doesn't like ChromePasswords, and I can't figure out why. That's going to be a showstopper. 19:11:05 ChromePasswords? 19:11:39 Yeah, the portable passwords feature for Chrome. 19:11:59 Well, considering Iron's own portable version can't do passwords either 19:12:01 Iron has the same problem Chrome did - saved passwords don't travel from machine to machine - but I can't get MaZZTer's fix working for Iron. 19:12:09 And we have it disabled by default in Chrome 19:12:33 Does Iron store them differently somehow? 19:12:50 If you can't do it, we can still release it and list it as a known issue. 19:13:25 I'm not sure. I've opened both Iron's storage system and Chrome's storage system in a database browser, and they *appear* identical. I've even installed Chrome and replaced the base app with Iron, and that works. It just won't work with my PAL launcher. 19:13:58 Why not use the Chrome launcher for now then just updated for Iron? 19:14:41 Not a bad idea! I'd have to make some modifications, of course, but that would probably work. 19:15:14 They'd probably be minor. If you can do that and get a pre-release up today, we could release tomorrow or thurs 19:15:34 I can almost certainly do that. 19:25:40 gotta go ; bye guys! 19:26:18 *** Simeon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 19:45:01 *** purple (~purple@212.200.234.130) has joined #portableapps 19:45:05 *** purple_ (~purple@212.200.234.130) has joined #portableapps 19:45:18 *** purple_ has quit (Client Quit) 19:55:46 *** pa_2617 has parted #portableapps (None) 20:02:26 *** MaienM has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20:04:18 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 20:04:18 MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable. 20:23:57 *** JacobMastel (~Jacob_Mas@128-193-249-18.resnet.oregonstate.edu) has joined #portableapps 20:32:54 *** purple has parted #portableapps ("Only two things are definite, Death and Format C:\") 20:36:15 *** JacobMastel has parted #portableapps (None) 20:38:49 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20:40:46 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 20:40:46 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 21:05:53 *** ZachThibeau_ (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 21:06:07 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Disconnected by services) 21:06:11 *** ZachThibeau_ is now known as ZachThibeau 21:09:50 *** pa_5268 (55b53ad3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.181.58.211) has joined #portableapps 21:10:00 hi guys! 21:10:10 I just installed portable firefox and 21:10:20 it asks me new plugins 21:10:26 in particular it asks 21:10:36 for adobe flash player 21:10:45 although I try to install it 21:10:53 it never sees it 21:11:00 can any body help? 21:11:05 *** BjornH has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21:11:10 thnx a million! 21:11:43 There is currently no automatic/legal way to install Adobe Flash for portable use. 21:11:56 It needs to be installed on the local machine and then the files copies from C: 21:12:08 to FirefoxPortable\App\firefox\plugins 21:12:44 cool, let me try it right away! 21:12:47 thnks 21:17:12 *** pa_5268 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 21:19:26 *** JacobMastel (~Jacob_Mas@128-193-249-18.resnet.oregonstate.edu) has joined #portableapps 21:21:05 *** JacobMastel has parted #portableapps (None) 21:34:28 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 21:40:46 *** computerfreaker has quit (Quit: Page closed) 21:43:25 *** JacobMastel1 (~Jacob_Mas@128-193-249-18.resnet.oregonstate.edu) has joined #portableapps 21:58:38 *** JacobMastel1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 22:12:43 *** BjornH (~BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 22:15:21 *** BjornH has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:44:27 *** MaienM is now known as MaienM|Sleep 23:03:55 *** ptmb has quit (Quit: Bye) 23:22:06 *** Withoutaname (~Withoutan@pool-71-108-10-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #portableapps 23:22:25 *** Withoutaname has quit (Changing host) 23:22:25 *** Withoutaname (~Withoutan@unaffiliated/withoutaname) has joined #portableapps 23:22:39 *** Withoutaname has parted #portableapps (None) 23:26:06 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@142.167.137.60) has joined #portableapps 23:26:06 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Changing host) 23:26:06 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 23:26:06 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 23:30:03 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps