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Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums 01:09:37 hum, and how do i set a note at joining like GizmoBot announced for chazz and sar3th? :) 01:09:43 funny stuff ;) 01:30:27 *** ZachThibeau is now known as ZachT|AFK 02:22:18 *** kshawkeye (~Kyle@c-98-243-216-190.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 02:26:44 *** kshawkeye has quit (Client Quit) 02:33:04 *** SrgSiler|AFK (~Kyle@unaffiliated/sergentsiler) has joined #portableapps 02:33:44 *** remek has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02:51:05 *** rcmaehl has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 02:53:08 *** sar3th has quit (Quit: "Our culture doesn't get smarter, it just finds new ways of being retarded.") 02:53:08 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 03:13:08 *** chazz has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 03:30:36 *** OliverK (~WifiWomba@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 03:41:31 cheasee: There's a certain channel you need to join to set a definition up for yourself. 04:06:02 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Politeness, n. The most acceptable hypocrisy.) 04:32:37 *** s23sui (~b@116.228.175.190) has joined #portableapps 04:32:56 *** s23sui has parted #portableapps (None) 04:39:06 *** JohnTHaller1 (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 04:39:16 *** JohnTHaller1 is now known as JohnTHaller 04:53:28 *** Dalton has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 04:56:15 *** Dalton (~~@warzone2100/moderator/Dalton) has joined #portableapps 05:47:46 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 06:04:08 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 06:08:27 *** Twinkletoes is now known as Guest94017 06:08:42 *** Twinkletoes_ (~chatzilla@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 06:10:03 *** Guest94017 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 06:10:10 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 06:13:47 *** Miz (da1cf790@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.28.247.144) has joined #portableapps 06:14:11 ello 06:14:15 umm 06:15:43 Yes? Can I help you? 06:16:09 you work here or something or... 06:16:26 No, I just like to help :) 06:16:54 oh ok 06:17:28 nvm then 06:17:32 and seeing as how you're connecting via webchat, I thought you were looking for help.... 06:17:33 *** Miz has quit (Client Quit) 06:17:46 as most people do if they're using webchat :) 06:34:46 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 06:34:49 MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable. 06:34:50 *** MaienM|Sleep has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06:35:08 *** Twinkletoes_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 06:47:52 *** JohnMc (~John@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust936.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #portableapps 06:49:01 *** JohnMc has quit (Client Quit) 07:05:46 *** pa_0698 (3e655ae1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.101.90.225) has joined #portableapps 07:06:52 Hi, how to open portableapps suite and select an entry only with keyboard? 07:08:43 *** pa_0698 has quit (Client Quit) 07:10:38 *** Twinkletoes (~chatzilla@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 07:21:49 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07:26:43 *** OliverK has quit (Quit: so long and thanks for all the fish) 07:47:23 *** Jedrzej_s (~Jedrzej@188.33.164.203) has joined #portableapps 08:13:06 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 08:49:52 *** rmccue (~rmccue@unaffiliated/rmccue) has joined #portableapps 09:30:14 *** rmccue has quit (Quit: The general rule on about people on IRC seems to be "Attractive, single, mentally stable: choose two") 10:05:32 *** pa_2879 (c2fc9809@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.252.152.9) has joined #portableapps 10:06:10 help! 10:06:10 pa_2879: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums 10:06:51 Well I have a some translations issues about Portable Apps platform 20. beta 5 10:07:16 pa_2879: you could always fix them yourself :) 10:09:31 I know but mu question are: It does not translate some of the things in finnish when I translated example: I tranlated Blue color in "Sininen" but still it shows word "Blue" in theme section 10:09:36 *my 10:10:43 *** pa_2879 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 10:42:30 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 10:54:44 *** BjornH (~BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 10:54:55 *** BjornH has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:22:15 *** Jedrzej_s_ (~Jedrzej@188.33.164.203) has joined #portableapps 11:24:48 *** Jedrzej_s has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12:27:03 *** Lolo_ (~Me@ekq79.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #portableapps 12:55:22 *** jh2os24-2 (~jhon@168.20.128.230) has joined #portableapps 12:56:06 *** jh2os24-2 has quit (Client Quit) 13:01:11 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:01:19 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 13:06:23 *** jh2os24-2 (~jhon@168.20.128.230) has joined #portableapps 13:06:26 11th-fret 13:08:33 jh2os24-2: ? 13:08:58 *** jh2os24-2 has quit (Client Quit) 13:26:58 *** TASAIRES (~TASAIRES@84.121.179.46.dyn.user.ono.com) has joined #portableapps 13:27:43 *** pa_3228 (44e06309@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.224.99.9) has joined #portableapps 13:28:04 help 13:28:32 *** pa_3228 has quit (Client Quit) 13:28:55 *** ChrisMorgan1 (~ChrisMorg@c114-76-0-175.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #portableapps 13:29:00 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:29:42 *** compuguy1088 (~compuguy1@ip72-192-242-238.dc.dc.cox.net) has joined #portableapps 13:32:06 *** compuguy1088 has parted #portableapps (None) 13:38:38 *** ChrisMorgan1 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 13:58:30 *** TASAIRES has quit (Quit: Saliendo) 14:12:13 *** Twinkletoes is now known as Guest55037 14:12:31 *** Twinkletoes_ (~chatzilla@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 14:15:32 *** Guest55037 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 14:17:07 *** Twinkletoes_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 14:28:16 *** kaeos (~Miranda@238.85-87-44.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) has joined #portableapps 14:29:09 *** kaeos has quit (Client Quit) 14:30:45 *** Lolo_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) 14:33:12 *** Jedrzej_s_ has parted #portableapps ("Leaving") 14:34:56 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 14:49:57 *** JohnMc (~John@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust936.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #portableapps 15:08:20 *** Twinkletoes (~chatzilla@dze3bf81.brookes.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 15:15:55 *** ZachT|AFK is now known as ZachThibeau 16:35:33 *** Pyromaniac (d840befc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.64.190.252) has joined #portableapps 16:35:40 *** Pyromaniac has quit (Client Quit) 16:36:57 *** smarquespt (~smarquesp@12.159.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) has joined #portableapps 16:38:26 *** smarquespt has quit (Client Quit) 16:43:18 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a79-169-166-189.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 16:46:38 *** andreasma (~andi@p4FE34F1E.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 17:14:59 *** Privacy0 (~Hucklebuc@38.223.231.249) has joined #portableapps 17:15:13 *** Privacy0 has parted #portableapps (None) 17:24:27 *** jahneh (~John@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust936.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #portableapps 17:27:38 *** JohnMc has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 17:40:04 *** jahneh has quit (Quit: Leaving) 18:04:11 *** ptmb has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 18:14:06 *** palogbot (~palogbot@delawarepark.safesecureweb.com) has joined #portableapps 18:14:06 Topic for #portableapps is: Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. 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If he dies: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/restart 18:21:27 *** JohnMc (~John@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust936.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #portableapps 18:29:41 *** Jedrzej_s (~Jedrzej@89.108.216.141) has joined #portableapps 18:50:02 *** rcmaehl (~rcmaehl@74-141-211-116.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #portableapps 18:50:02 *** rcmaehl has quit (Changing host) 18:50:03 *** rcmaehl (~rcmaehl@unaffiliated/rcmaehl) has joined #portableapps 18:51:33 *** Twinkletoes has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.1.4/20091028075816]) 18:52:09 *** Unaffiliated` (~~@unaffiliated/op/bot/unaffiliated) has joined #portableapps 18:52:11 *** Unaffiliated` has quit (Excess Flood) 18:53:36 *** Unaffil3 (~~@CPE001e5840eaf6-CM00195ee19c52.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #portableapps 18:53:53 *** Dalton has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 18:54:27 *** jahneh (~John@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust936.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #portableapps 18:56:48 *** JohnMc has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 18:58:00 *** compuguy1088 (~compuguy1@129.174.97.34) has joined #portableapps 18:58:08 *** compuguy1088 has parted #portableapps (None) 18:58:44 *** Unaffil3 has quit () 19:01:59 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 19:05:43 *** Dalton (~~@warzone2100/moderator/Dalton) has joined #portableapps 19:21:26 *** jahneh has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19:21:52 *** jahneh (~John@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust936.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #portableapps 19:22:06 *** jahneh has quit (Client Quit) 19:42:18 *** Jedrzej_s has parted #portableapps ("Leaving") 19:44:10 *** Alcasar (40125748@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.18.87.72) has joined #portableapps 19:44:22 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 19:45:00 I'm wondering why UPX renders portable launchers useless, even if you Undo the compression. 19:56:09 *** Y3K (bdd2075a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.210.7.90) has joined #portableapps 19:56:21 Hello! 19:56:37 *** Alcasar has quit (Quit: Page closed) 19:57:34 hi Y3K 19:57:50 I have a little question. 19:58:16 When should I put the software files in "AppNamePortable/App/AppName"? 19:59:16 you are developing a PortableApp i take it? 19:59:28 Trying :) 19:59:47 :) 19:59:53 I made this post yesterday: http://portableapps.com/node/25234 19:59:56 usually, program files go in that directory 20:00:32 But as I said, I just don't get the whole process :( 20:01:23 well, best is to start by creating the folder structure as outlined by the PAF format 20:01:32 Done :) 20:01:37 then you add your program files in the appropriate locations 20:01:48 i.e. add program files in App\AppName 20:01:58 The whole folder? 20:02:10 Or the program files/app files? 20:02:15 yes, all the files your program needs to work properly 20:02:22 Ok, so just the files. 20:02:30 (Sorry, a little problems with english) 20:02:36 no problem 20:02:48 Fine. 20:03:15 after you have that, you have to create a launcher for your app 20:03:20 And then, the files per user (user data/app) files go to data 20:03:29 Oh... 20:03:33 the simplest way is to use PAL 20:03:48 Sorry, I get lost a little bit. 20:03:52 Yep, I've downloaded the PAL :) 20:04:26 i see you are trying with winamp? 20:04:36 So, I've to copy & paste everyfile from "program files" to "App/AppName" 20:04:38 Yep :) 20:05:04 Also, need to copy the "user data" to "AppName/data" 20:05:05 Right? 20:05:15 yeah, basically 20:05:23 And after that just select the folder with the PAL and that's all? 20:05:35 (Ok, leaving the registry keys for now) 20:05:36 there is a little problem with that though, we have someone who tries to make winamp portable already :< 20:05:55 And what happened? 20:06:34 nothing, he's still maintaining it 20:07:10 you can find it here: http://portableapps.com/node/24503 20:07:15 I do REALLY WANT to write a WHOLE guide step by step, to help the very basic users (like me), but first I need to make a PortableApp (doesn't matter which, just want to learn). 20:07:35 another helpful link is this one here: http://portableapps.com/node/14868 20:08:08 I've already readed that one. 20:08:28 Didn't help to much, I still had question about the files :P 20:08:54 sure, just ask, i shall try to help sorting them out :) 20:09:52 I'll make the guide at the same time, while doing the portable app (does that make sense?) 20:10:08 it does 20:10:27 Awesome. 20:10:48 Ok, so do you think that it's a bad idea try to make Winamp Portable :(? 20:11:18 i don't think it's a "bad idea", it's just a bit pointless ;) 20:12:12 Hahaha, well yeah... I just didn't try to search it before because I thought it was illegal to redistribute without the original installer :S 20:13:18 Well, I don't want to be the first making whatever app portable, I just want to learn how to do it (and thought the Winamp was a good start :P) 20:16:33 Woops! There's something wrong with the Winamp here: http://portableapps.com/node/24503 20:16:42 It's about 60BM! 20:16:44 *MB 20:17:00 I think it should be about 25... 20:18:58 *** Gringoloco (~Gringoloc@91.92.152.140) has joined #portableapps 20:18:58 *** Gringoloco has quit (Changing host) 20:18:58 *** Gringoloco (~Gringoloc@unaffiliated/gringoloco) has joined #portableapps 20:20:59 Y3K: 25 MB ? 20:21:31 I think :-S 20:21:56 I think it's mainly the languages, which do take a lot of MB 20:22:13 My Winamp folder (downloaded from the official site) is only 24.5 MB (25,747,456 bytes) 20:22:20 Oooh! 20:22:25 Ok, didn't know that :) 20:22:38 I do only have installes English/Spanish. 20:22:50 there you go 20:22:57 Ok, thanks :D 20:23:11 Btw, I already downloaded your Portable version ;) 20:23:13 Thanks for it! 20:25:47 I have to say, it's not a very good example as a first try of making a portable app. 20:26:24 Yes I think that too now! I'm installing you version and didn't knew it has to download something... (The installer)? 20:27:25 it downloads the multi lang installer from the official site, then extracts it 20:27:45 Awesome! And that way isn't illegal right? 20:27:52 Man you're the best! :P 20:28:15 Ok, so I won't try with Winamp for the moment, hahaha. 20:28:22 *** JohnMc (~John@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust936.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #portableapps 20:28:46 EditPlus would be a good start? Or what app do you recomend? 20:28:50 there is not that much to the extracting part. Thats all included in the PortableApps.Com Installer 20:31:03 I'll be honest: I think that the documentation here isn't enough to cover the most basic examples/features of the Tools (PAL, PAI for example), and I want to write a "Very Basics" version... But need how it works first, hahaha :P 20:32:32 Really Winamp is quite 'portable' by default, so it self it wouldn't be a bad start. What I meant is to not get overwelmed by the launcher I made, it's got a few extra's (custom-code) 20:33:18 *** rcmaehl has quit (Quit: Leaving) 20:34:23 Oooh ok! Got it! 20:34:24 Thank you. 20:38:05 *** Y3K has parted #portableapps (None) 20:48:52 *** Gringoloco has quit (Quit: Leaving) 21:06:50 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 21:09:06 *** andreasma has quit (Quit: Verlassend) 21:27:25 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 21:31:37 *** JacobMastel (~Jacob_Mas@128-193-249-18.resnet.oregonstate.edu) has joined #portableapps 21:41:56 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 21:43:07 howdy John 21:43:32 hola 21:44:28 whats new? 21:45:18 Workin on the platform and the app directory. Gonna pause for some app updates in a few minutes. Just had our Delphi XE upgrade come through. 21:46:00 nice 21:46:36 nice 21:46:44 still sick, unfortunately. it's been impeding progress. did leave the apt for the 2nd or 3rd time in 9 days today, though. 21:46:47 migration coming along nicely? 21:47:02 2010 to XE is pretty painless. 21:47:12 :) 21:47:15 i hoped so 21:47:30 i treid to open a few of my 2010 projects w/ xe and it worked flawlessly 21:47:32 2007 to 2010 was the big deal with getting everything from ANSI to Unicode in the internals 21:48:21 As it is, I still need to add all the to/from UTF8 code in so we can use UTF8 encoded INI and locale files (makes for smaller file sizes and better compatibility with DIFFs in our source manager) 21:48:21 now would be fun is porting the platform to use freepascal :P, it would be possible but probably best off to recode the platform from scratch there 21:48:57 Yeah, it wouldn't work. Lazarus is about on par with Delphi 7 I think. And we use all the Unicode, PNG and other stuff that's in later versions. 21:49:00 well, TIniFile can cope w/ unicode just fine :) 21:49:11 unicode support in lazarus is pretty nice i read 21:49:50 png support is possible i hear too, not the same as what the delphi version is but I think it could work 21:50:28 it's probably possible w/ some compiler defines to get it to work with both versions flawlessly 21:50:52 Visually we use a lot of Delphi-specific stuff. 21:50:57 *** JohnMc has quit (Quit: Leaving) 21:51:05 Oh wait, we don't as much anymore. I converted most of the stuff off of it. 21:54:33 John if sar3th and myself manage to get the platform working on lazarus/free pascal and I mean maintain current features and capabilities would you consider switching? 21:55:33 ok switching maybe strong 21:55:50 but it would allow other people who don't have delphi to compile it using lazarus etc 21:56:22 I'd def consider it, yeah. Last I checked Lazarus was still pretty buggy. Granted, this was a couple years ago. 22:03:06 anybody have any thoughts on anything that is on the current app pages that doesn't need to be? or isn't and should be? 22:03:27 geany 22:04:03 Well, that's on hold now due to Oliver's changes, unfortunately. Until he can get permission from Geany for his release to be the official portable release anyway. 22:04:11 DamnVid is coming out today. Geany would have, too. 22:04:29 good for DV, sad for geany :( 22:04:33 i didn't know about that 22:05:28 Yeah, they're both on the 'confirmed ready' list on the outdated apps page, just waiting. I pushed out SMPlayer from the list on Friday. I fast-tracked Opera on Thursday once we finalized the licensing with Opera. 22:05:56 I was gonna do one yesterday one today... but the illness and ER adventure on Sunday pushed that back a bit. So I'm gonnaq push em both out today. 22:06:35 Along with the Opera x2, Miranda, notepad++, pokerth and utorrent updates. And a PA.c Installer update. 22:07:17 do you think we should start with the current beta version for the lazarus port or should we wait for the next one 22:08:15 You can start playing now just to see what will need changing. But I'd wait for the next or later before really getting into it. It's still a very moving target for the next two betas. 23:02:52 *** Everest (4fb224a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.178.36.166) has joined #portableapps 23:03:27 Any idea on when to expect the 2b6? 23:04:21 Soon. Working on it this week. Converting it from Delphi 2010 to XE this evening 23:04:43 XE? 23:04:58 =2011 23:05:05 w/ fancy name :) 23:05:17 Yeah. Maybe they'll be switching from yearly releases. 23:05:27 who's working on PokerTH 0.8.1 ? 23:05:35 Me 23:05:39 I know it's in queue 23:06:16 how is it going ? because I'm not able to create a game room 23:06:36 When they upgrade PokerTH, usually the older versions can't connect anymore 23:06:56 I see 23:07:02 Ya know... I'm starting to wonder if you ever worked for Cerulean Studios 23:08:05 For some reason, their RSS feed wasn't in our monitoring queue for new releases. I added PokerTH now, so we'll know as soon as they post a release, rather than waiting for someone to add it to the outdated apps list. 23:08:16 Who worked at Cerulean? 23:08:33 JohnTHaller: so Opera, Miranda and Notepad++ are higher priority ? 23:10:04 You.... I'm reminded of the endless alpha/beta for Astra 23:10:59 There's no priority listed, they're just all in the queue. Opera 10.63 goes first (it's a stable release and it's a security update). The Opera 10.70 build will be posted at the same time since it builds the sameway. 23:11:30 PokerTH would be next because of the multiplayer issue. Then Miranda and Notepad++. They'll; all happen within an hour or so of each other, so the queue doesn't matter much. Just when time is available to build and test the lot. 23:15:16 good to know, much appreciated ;) 23:16:07 KookyMan: Yeah, I'm not happy with the perpetual beta either, that's why I'm killing myself behind the scenes to finish this up sooner rather than later 23:18:44 *** Everest has quit (Quit: Page closed)