00:02:59 *** agdurrette (~agdurrett@c-71-62-20-32.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 00:08:31 *** ptmb has quit (Quit: Bye) 00:19:32 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 00:27:13 *** agdurrette has quit (Quit: Leaving) 00:28:35 *** omgwtfun (~Chris@rrcs-70-60-100-105.midsouth.biz.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 00:29:57 *** omgwtfun has quit (Client Quit) 00:42:02 *** SrgSiler|AFK has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01:01:42 *** JohnTHaller1 (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 01:01:50 *** JohnTHaller1 is now known as JohnTHaller 01:11:34 A goodly number of releases coming out, John :-) 01:11:54 Yup. I've got a solid week of PA.c time this week 01:15:04 I'm so tempted to replace the toolbar icons in 7-Zip for our release. 01:16:13 Are they bad, or do you just think you can do better, or is it with branding? 01:16:37 We all know them: http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/7-Zip-Screenshot-5598.html 01:18:52 They 01:19:11 They're famously bad. So someone built this: http://killercookie-server.media-xshell.com/7zTM/ 01:20:34 Famously bad? That's one thing that I actually quite /like/ about 7-Zip. The branding and icons are very clear and simple. 01:21:02 The icons are straight out of Windows 3.1, which makes the app look unprofessional/old to new users. 01:21:22 The icons are actually 16 color icons. As in Old-school Windows 16-bit. 01:21:41 Having clean icons is fine. But using incredibly dated ones that look out of place on a modern OS is kinda silly. 01:21:57 But still, I see now how it could potentially be improved. 01:22:28 Don't like the filetype icons they show in their screenshots at all. The 7-Zip ones are very clear. 01:22:53 There are better ones included. 01:23:06 And you can use Oxygen as well. And we don't currently use the filetype icons anyway 01:25:52 *** pa_1677 (63fe5279@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.254.82.121) has joined #portableapps 01:26:08 I'm still amazed they didn't update them for the 9.x release that was, what, 2 years in the making? 01:26:55 It does seem somewhat surprising. 01:27:07 Hi, everyone.. Is there instructions on installing the Portable Apps Launcher on a Sandisk Contour 8gb? 01:28:26 pa_1677: do you mean the PortableApps.com Platform? 01:28:52 (Or Suite) 01:30:27 Well I have a U3 launcher and wondering if I can replace it with the PA 2mb launcher 01:30:36 http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#installing 01:31:09 You can't replace it in the same way; it won't run from the special partition like U3 does. It runs on the normal part of the USB disk like everything else. 01:31:39 so is u3 support dead nowadays? 01:33:23 U3 is a dead platform. 01:34:40 :( so format the USB drive an use PA instead then. 01:37:59 You can leave U3 on there if you want to. It doesn't really affect anything much. 01:39:03 There is a removal tool for U3 which will get rid of it if you don't want it - http://u3.sandisk.com/launchpadremoval.htm 01:39:17 if there are no u3 apps, it becomes a moot point to use it as it seams most vendors have gone to PA 01:58:30 *** OliverK (~WifiWomba@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 01:58:36 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 02:00:21 *** pa_1677 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 02:29:25 *** marlop has quit (Quit: Leaving...) 02:30:14 *** marlop|away (marlop@gateway/shell/shellium.org/x-fycopxzkpmfedren) has joined #portableapps 02:30:14 *** marlop|away is now known as marlop 02:38:49 *** dboki89 (~user@unaffiliated/dboki) has joined #portableapps 02:39:02 only came to report a spammer --> http://portableapps.com/user/162954 02:39:13 baby can read, or the tribe? 02:39:20 just reported to zach 02:39:27 pick which ever you like :p 02:39:57 also in the off topic forum, movies and series... 02:41:07 Anyways, off to sleep. Good night :) 02:41:13 night 02:41:17 *** dboki89 has quit (Client Quit) 02:42:44 Killed. 02:43:43 thanks 02:46:24 *** Blint (~Michelle@unaffiliated/blint) has joined #portableapps 02:46:36 *** Blint has parted #portableapps (None) 02:58:02 *** OliverK is now known as OliverK|Away 03:59:42 *** OliverK|Away is now known as OliverK 04:16:43 *** BeckySanderlin`x has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04:16:47 *** BeckySanderlin`x (~quassel@c-98-252-21-200.hsd1.de.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 05:22:19 *** pa_9560 (3b1c86a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.28.134.166) has joined #portableapps 05:23:09 *** pa_9560 has quit (Client Quit) 05:25:56 *** OliverK is now known as OliverK|Away 05:40:55 *** dbdii407 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 05:51:48 *** dbdii407 (~dbdii407-@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 05:51:49 dbdii407 is Dave, Owner of the ScrapIRC Network. 06:42:07 *** OliverK|Away has quit (Quit: so long and thanks for all the fish) 07:27:15 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08:53:53 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 09:39:40 http://portableapps.com/node/25653 10:07:58 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 10:22:35 *** pa_6284 (4c7f3507@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.127.53.7) has joined #portableapps 10:23:55 You are prob already aware of this by now but someone mispelled Chrome in the Google Chrome help.html file 10:25:42 Your welcome... 10:26:54 *** pa_6284 has quit (Client Quit) 10:38:37 *** dbdii407 has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net) 10:44:53 *** ios_ (~ios@180.191.130.142) has joined #portableapps 11:01:10 *** ZachThibeau is now known as ZachT|AFK 11:08:35 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 11:55:06 *** awircser (~awircser@41.238.212.37) has joined #portableapps 12:02:46 *** awircser has quit (Quit: Leaving) 13:33:28 *** BeckySanderlin`x has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13:35:47 *** BeckySanderlin`x (~quassel@c-98-252-21-200.hsd1.de.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 13:43:36 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13:47:29 *** maraujo_3 (~maraujo_3@189.105.74.253) has joined #portableapps 13:47:37 *** maraujo_3 has quit (Client Quit) 13:48:42 *** maraujo_3 (~maraujo_3@189.105.74.253) has joined #portableapps 13:49:05 *** maraujo_3 has quit (Client Quit) 13:49:56 *** maraujo_3 (~maraujo_3@189.105.74.253) has joined #portableapps 13:50:05 *** maraujo_3 has parted #portableapps (None) 14:15:15 *** pa_4500 (bacb4803@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.203.72.3) has joined #portableapps 14:15:33 Hi all! How can I make a portable application ? 14:15:58 I need use thinapp or portableapp have a similiar utility ? 14:18:28 *** BeckySanderlin`x has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 14:21:17 *** BeckySanderlin`x (~quassel@c-98-252-21-200.hsd1.de.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 14:51:02 *** Johnny_McKenzie (~Johnny_Mc@host81-147-20-11.range81-147.btcentralplus.com) has joined #portableapps 14:52:20 *** Johnny_McKenzie has parted #portableapps (None) 14:53:37 *** pa_4500 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 15:34:55 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 15:35:49 *** maraujo_3 (~maraujo_3@189.105.74.253) has joined #portableapps 15:35:50 *** maraujo_3 has parted #portableapps (None) 15:44:51 *** Blint (~Michelle@5ad61d16.bb.sky.com) has joined #portableapps 15:44:51 *** Blint has quit (Changing host) 15:44:51 *** Blint (~Michelle@unaffiliated/blint) has joined #portableapps 15:45:13 *** Blint has parted #portableapps (None) 15:52:13 *** BeckySanderlin`x has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 15:55:02 *** BeckySanderlin`x (~quassel@c-98-252-21-200.hsd1.de.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 16:00:54 *** JohnTHaller1 (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 16:00:59 *** JohnTHaller1 is now known as JohnTHaller 16:14:17 *** maraujo_3 (~maraujo_3@189.105.74.253) has joined #portableapps 16:15:09 *** z3uS has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 16:16:58 *** maraujo_3 has parted #portableapps (None) 16:18:41 *** ZachT|AFK is now known as ZachThibeau 16:19:42 howdy folks 16:19:49 *** z3uS (~z3us@plzhalp.us) has joined #portableapps 16:21:54 hola 16:23:50 how's everything? 16:25:35 *** z3uS has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 16:33:54 *** Gringoloco (~Gringoloc@unaffiliated/gringoloco) has joined #portableapps 16:34:38 Not bad. Enjoying my dedicated PA.c week 16:35:04 *** Gringoloco is now known as MarkSikkema 16:35:28 Hello all 16:35:37 hello JohnTHaller :) 16:35:43 Hello hello 16:35:48 have you seen my topic on Opera portable? http://portableapps.com/node/25653 16:36:49 Since that still causes stuff to be in APPDATA, it's not really a viable option. 16:38:04 oops? you have to copy much less data over and maintain less stuff, which is much better :) 16:38:47 It's definitly taking to long for a fix :( 16:38:49 Right, but having the profile in the same directory is the official way for Opera to do it. That mode triggers certain things within Opera so it knows it is in portable mode. 16:39:15 The only current issue is if you open stuff from online directly (which you should never do, anyway). 16:40:00 But probably a fair amount of users do, and end up with a totally messed up app 16:40:30 I'm fixing it in the next release. I'm just not fixing it the way sareth suggested. I'm doing custom code just to handle the situation properly on startup. 16:40:33 JohnTHaller: I fail to see how that's not a better solution? Or better yet...fix it with that and go back to the devs? 16:41:08 On startup, if the profile is in app and data, delete the one in data and move the one in app to data... then let PAL do its normal thing. 16:41:17 *** Simeon (~uws65698@129.69.117.220) has joined #portableapps 16:41:20 Did you ever had a look at the custom-code I send a few days ago ? 16:41:31 It's just a simple RMDir of one folder and then a rename, both low-cost operations. 16:41:34 Hi Simeon 16:41:37 hi all 16:42:00 Yes, but I don't want to redefine a whole segment in PAL just for this app. It'll get messy with later versions of PAL. My way, it can handle newer PAL releases. 16:42:15 wasn't PAL supposed to make things easier? 16:42:39 JohnTHaller: rename is not low cost as I've proven with KVIrc 16:42:49 if you've got lots of files/data it takes a long time and rarely fully completes. 16:43:21 How have you proven it? I've never seen a rename take that long even with many files underneath. In theory, it's a Windows API call that only affects a single directory record in FAT32 or NTFS. 16:43:28 that's why I had so many dev tests with KVirc 16:43:43 it doesn't matter...look how long it takes to delete over 1,000 files in windows itself 16:43:51 then do it on a slow flash drive 16:44:01 Oh you mean the RMDir, not the delete, right? 16:44:13 Argh 16:44:17 no 16:44:20 I mean the rename 16:44:20 I mean, you mean the RMDir not the rename 16:44:27 rmdir is quick and easy 16:44:28 Windows takes no time to rename a folder 16:44:30 rename takes forever 16:44:32 yes it does 16:44:39 if you move it from \App\KVirc\ to \data\ 16:44:53 it has to check each file before moving 16:44:58 windows won't move in use files, thus more time. 16:45:13 But they're not in use. 16:45:19 This is on startup. 16:45:20 they still have to be checked 16:45:21 in use or not. 16:45:34 I'll give you a large data directory for KVIrc and one of my older dev tests 16:45:37 just to prove my point if you want. 16:45:57 and I had my issue on a local disc, not on a usb drive 16:46:02 *disk 16:48:11 sar3th: Do those Opera settings work even when in portable (aka single user) mode? 16:48:23 If so, we could move just some bits of the profile, which would alleviate much of the issue. 16:48:39 which is what i suggested 16:48:49 and yes, they work with single-user profiles 16:48:51 Sorry, I think I read it wrong then. You said it created something in APPDATA 16:48:59 $AppDir 16:49:09 not $AppData 16:49:57 *** z3uS (~z3us@plzhalp.us) has joined #portableapps 16:50:11 JohnTHaller, I have a request: Could you add me to the release team and let me edit http://portableapps.com/development/test/status? I have a couple apps I tested and want to add them to the list. 16:50:23 Ah ok. Sorry about that. Then, yes, it would make sense to handle it that way. I'm gonna be packaging up Beta 1 today, so we can use that as a quick test. If it works as expected, I'll do the Rev on stable later tonight. 16:51:03 *** z3uS has quit (Excess Flood) 16:51:24 Simeon: Done 16:51:55 Thanks. and thanks for clearing up the question about the multi-lang updater thing. 16:52:13 sar3th and Gizmokid2005: So, do you guys agree that me using sar3th's changes and then moving just the individual files betwen the two (with a special check) should solve the issue for Opera? 16:52:30 definitely, at least much more effectively than it's done now. 16:52:32 MarkSikkema: Do you know if we can make the launcher handle this issue better in an ongoing basis? 16:52:53 yes, ChrisMorgan agreed about that as well 16:52:55 Ok, I'll get my butt on that after lunch then and hopefully have it fixed today. 16:53:30 *** z3uS (~z3us@plzhalp.us) has joined #portableapps 16:53:30 sorry was off for a bit 16:53:36 *** dbdii407 (~dbdii407-@unaffiliated/dbdii407) has joined #portableapps 16:53:36 dbdii407 is Dave, Owner of the ScrapIRC Network. 16:53:36 No worries. 16:54:22 Reading all that's said, I cannot agree with Gizmokid2005 about the rename, it's that fast 16:55:01 as long as they are folders or files with in the same drive 16:55:25 gotta go - bye all. 16:55:30 *** Simeon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 16:56:20 MarkSikkema: i don't know...like I said, I can give you log files and an old launcher of KVIrc to see the problem 16:56:24 it would never finish. 16:56:26 ever 16:56:43 MarkSikkema: We can have a situation where a PC crashes and the stuff to be moved back and forth for other apps remains in App instead of Data. Do we know if PAL can handle that for all apps? 16:56:45 partially through the copy it would just clow the launcher 16:57:11 Gizmokid2005: where they files or folders ? 16:57:47 files. 16:58:00 JohnTHaller: Chris is working on it, but could take a while. Also I do not agree with the MessageBox Chris wants to implement 16:58:05 right now I have 15k in that folder, if I was try to rename it, I can nearly guarantee it wouldn't work. 16:58:23 Gizmokid2005: Files behave different then folders, atleast in Nsis 16:58:35 which has been my point from the beginning...... 16:58:54 you can't expect a mass file rename to work quickly 16:58:59 ..and that's what I said in the beginning.. 16:59:01 Gizmokid2005: Can you zip up a folder like that and send it my way so I can test it out... or is it huge? 16:59:01 But opera is rename the whole folder, which takes a split second 16:59:13 MarkSikkema: the files are INSIDE a folder 16:59:21 but they STILL need to be renamed 16:59:27 JohnTHaller: sure 16:59:46 lemme make sure it's decent sizwe 16:59:56 Yes, ofcourse, but nsis behaves different if renaming files vs. folders 17:00:09 MarkSikkema: I never told it to rename the files...just the parent folder "Settings" 17:00:18 which the logs are in \Settings\logs\\ 17:00:26 ah ok 17:00:33 :? 17:01:33 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 17:03:02 JohnTHaller: Do you consider there is any need to preserve the temporary_downloads folder 17:04:11 Don't know actually. I know that's the one that gets locked. 17:04:32 But we do have to solve the issue of a crashed app leaving data in App before rolling out PAL further in official apps. 17:05:56 I have to say, it's nice to know and probably nice to implement some of the settings sar3th recomended. It's atleast worth having a look at ! 17:06:33 MarkSikkema: I think you missed the part of this chat where I said I was gonna... I misunderstood and thought he meant APPDATA instead of $AppDir in the forum post. 17:07:52 maybe you could even get opera software to derive all directories from the ini-settings, so no additional handling would be required 17:08:01 That's be nice. 17:08:18 there's only a small bunch of files left already, it probably isn't involving heavy modifications 17:08:58 We have a license from Opera, report download numbers to them and may be doing some joing publicity in the future. I can probably get a word into the devs to improve portability. 17:09:26 JohnTHaller: Do you agree with Chris's idea for a MessageBox, informing the user of locked files. It could solve a lot but I personally do not like the messagboxes ? 17:09:48 No. I already told him not to do messageboxes. We handle it transparently in the bg when we can. 17:10:01 If it's a locked file on the local PC in, say, APPDATA, that's another story. 17:10:11 But for moving betwen App and Data in the app, definitely not. 17:11:12 Would you think the REBOOT flag is acceptable to deal with the local drive issue 17:11:32 JohnTHaller: the zip is 73MB 17:11:50 Probably not. Because if there's locked files in say APPDATA\AppName, then we can't move APPDATA\AppName-BackupByAppNamePortable back to the proper place. 17:12:08 Gizmokid2005: Can you upload it to a file share somewhere? 17:12:13 yep 17:12:17 mediafire or similar? or is there personal info in it? 17:12:22 I think reboot can deal with rename aswell 17:12:26 there might be some, I'll send it to you 17:12:37 MarkSikkema: But in what order. That's the issue. 17:12:45 We neeed to delete APPDATA 17:12:51 \Appname and then rename the backup 17:12:58 And you can't control that with /REBOOT 17:13:09 to my knowledge anyway 17:13:24 I need to have a better look into it then 17:13:53 dinner is ready... if you need me to do anything about Opera let me know 17:13:59 I don't know of any apps with the issue in terms of APPDATA stuff being locked as of now. Opera would be if we were copying profile there and back (which we're not). 17:14:06 Ok thanks man. 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If he dies: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/restart 17:37:16 Ok, got Gizmokid2005's test file set and copying it to my 8gb flash drive (that isn't so great about dealing with small files). 15 minutes left to copy. 17:38:19 *** maraujo_3 (~maraujo_3@189.105.74.253) has joined #portableapps 17:38:37 *** maraujo_3 has parted #portableapps (None) 17:40:14 *** Simeon (~uws65698@129.69.117.220) has joined #portableapps 17:41:17 Reading all this about what got and gets added to PAL over the last weeks I start to feel it might be too much. 17:41:44 *** Gringoloco_ (~Gringoloc@91.92.152.140) has joined #portableapps 17:42:23 If there is something only one app needs, why does PAL need to have it? Custom code would do the trick imho. 17:42:45 Oh - both Mark and Gringoloco are here ;) 17:45:13 Simeon: The issue with Opera is indicative of a larger issue with PAL when settings are not where expected. If files need to be moved between APP and DATA, what happens when there is a PC crash and the files are in the wrong place? 17:45:14 *** MarkSikkema has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 17:45:40 I'm surprised that was an issue though...I always built that check into my launchers to check for \ 17:45:45 App before \ 17:45:47 Data 17:45:53 wow..typing fail, sorry about that. 17:46:41 I wasnt talking about the opera issue. I know PC crashes are far better handled with PAL than they were before. 17:47:25 What about a line in the "PAL is running-ini" inside the Data folder? 17:47:31 with local stuff they are. I'm talking with moving between app and data. they aren't right now. 17:47:45 Thats how crash-cleanup is done now with PAL i think. 17:48:24 check for /App/appname/foldername and move it back to the data folder 17:48:56 *** omglolbbq (~omglolbbq@ip51cf64b7.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #portableapps 17:51:24 JohnTHaller: Any chance on adding me to the Release(testing) team aswell :) 17:53:56 Gringoloco_: done 17:54:05 Thanx :) 17:55:05 I just realised that WAtomic is already prerelease. Nice. Gonna do a PAL-release soon and maybe it could go official then. 17:55:38 Ok, Gizmokid2005, I just tested a rename from App\log to Data\log of the folder you sent (13,259 files totally 495mb). It took 2 seconds. 17:56:04 *** omglolbbq is now known as KwukDuck 17:56:23 This is on an 8GB flash drive formatted as FAT32. Write caching is off. The drive flickered for only those 2 seconds as well. It took 25 minutes to copy all the files to the flash drive (so you know it's not super-fast) 17:56:24 can somebody give me some more details on this java issue? 17:56:32 what java issue 17:56:32 ? 17:56:43 java not being allowed to be used in packages 17:57:19 *** OliverK|Away (~WifiWomba@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 17:57:23 We're finalizing the way Java works, is packaged and is named portably with our contacts at Oracle. 17:57:29 John:http://portableapps.com/node/25611 17:57:36 You'll note that Java Portable was just renamed to JRE Portable 17:58:04 it will still be a downloader? 17:58:07 JohnTHaller: give me a few...I'll pull up my code. 17:58:40 Nice Java Icon! ;) Is it new? 17:58:50 KwukDuck: We don't know yet. But it will be distributed separately from apps. The platform will automatically download and install it when you try and run a PA.c Format app. 17:59:16 So for now, don't include the JVM in your package. Have it utilize Java Portable (now JRE Portable) in the expected location. 17:59:38 Simeon: I made it on Thursday. It's a combo of a couple Oxygen icons. I thought it made sense :) 17:59:48 I like it a lot 18:00:10 hm, troublesome, why is that anyway? JRE license allows it to be redistributed if the application demands it to run. 18:00:38 KwukDuck: The Java license is a bit vague... while they say it is allowed to be included, they don't state whether they mean the actual files or just the installer itself. 18:00:50 KwukDuck: And it will likely change now that Oracle is running the show. 18:01:05 i see, so, more to be on the safe side.. 18:01:25 And including the JRE (at over 100MB) with EVERY portable app that needs it would be a disaster for users in terms of space. 18:01:48 true true 18:02:14 KwukDuck: Right. So, it may or may not be acceptable to include it. But as the license is vague, we're erring on the side of caution, and will let the platform handle ensuring that JRE is there and available shortly. 18:02:33 nice 18:02:50 KwukDuck: You don't need the platform, though, they just have to install JRE Portable as well with your app. And you just check $PARENTDIROFYOURAPP\CommonFiles\Java for the JRE on launch. 18:02:59 JohnTHaller: I'm do not see my name added to the list ? 18:03:36 yea i know, i didnt even make a installer yet, i just made it for myself in the first place 18:03:41 We're gonna be adding Java handling to PAL shortly, along with some simple HOWTOs as well. It should be as easy as dropping the JARs into App somewhere and configuring the INI. 18:03:51 until i noticed somebody requesting the app, so i tought i'd put it on the foruum 18:04:19 KwukDuck: No worries. Just repost it without Java included and I'll update the topic to remove al the other stuff so people can get to testing it. 18:04:37 Oh, and make sure it's in PA.c Format 18:04:46 Gringoloco_: I just added the rights to your account, that's all 18:05:15 Gringoloco_: It's not dynamically generated. And the release team list is totally out of date on the team page. 18:06:39 should we delete the list and start anew? 18:07:02 We'll wait until the team is finished forming and see who is left standing. 18:07:10 thats better 18:07:33 it started as an idea a couple days ago here and now we get more and more - Ilike it. 18:07:35 well I'm definetly still wanting in for the release team 18:07:41 thanks JohnTHaller, i'll look into the format 18:07:44 Simeon: concratulations, officially part of the team :) 18:08:06 Thx - you too! ;) 18:08:09 KwukDuck: Sure thing. And if you have any questions on getting things running, feel free to pop in here or post in the app development forum. We'll help you out. 18:08:13 :) 18:08:33 you just need to inscribe yourself to the list 18:08:38 well it was a personal 'project' so i have to read up on all the rules and formatting O_o 18:08:44 (or is it inscribe in?) 18:09:06 KwukDuck: It's not super-complicated. And be sure and check out our existing apps to see how it's all done. Learning by example is often easiest. 18:09:25 thats how i got it to work in the first place xD 18:10:53 thats how everyone here except John got into portableapps! ;) 18:11:18 I started it by creating a BAT file that told Firefox where to put its profile and zipping it up and hosting it on JohnHaller.com :D 18:11:30 hehe 18:11:49 no trademark-worries back then? 18:11:56 well the structure is already according to PA.c afaik... 18:12:12 *** OliverK|Away is now known as OliverK 18:12:17 Nope. Firefox 0.7+. Not even trademarked back then. 18:12:52 KwukDuck: If the structure is all there including the AppInfo section and files, then you just need to run PA.c Installer on it and it'll create the installer for you. 18:12:57 ahh memories :P 18:13:00 how times have changed... 18:13:17 yeah I know, I remember when PortableApps.com first started :P 18:13:17 hi ZachThibeau 18:13:22 I dont :( 18:13:23 howdy Simeon 18:13:46 Alright, must run to meet a friend for lunch. I'll be back in a bit... 18:13:50 I've been around since the creation of PortableApps.com (give or take 3-4 months or so) 18:13:54 later John 18:14:05 mark still isnt in the Release Team List - guess hes trying to figure out where to put his name :) 18:14:07 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@clsm-74-47-116-131-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) has joined #portableapps 18:14:07 bye John 18:14:15 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Changing host) 18:14:15 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 18:15:41 Yeah. PA.c launched on Dec 8, 2005. Before that, the apps and the suite were on JohnHaller.com starting with Portable Firefox 0.7+ which I posted in March of 2004. 18:16:46 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 18:16:52 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-67-247-35-38.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 18:16:59 *** JohnTHaller is now known as JohnTHaller|away 18:25:30 Am i allowed to actualy pack multiple programs into one? 18:26:07 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit) 18:26:08 *** MaienM|Sleep is now known as MaienM 18:26:30 how do you mean? 18:26:49 are they open source 18:26:50 well im trying to make a portable I2P 18:27:08 how is the local package? 18:27:10 but I2P is more of a platform to run other apps on top of 18:27:32 thats the reason i made a pack in the first place, to have all usefull stuff in one little package 18:27:50 if the license permits repackagi4ng,or you got clearance from the authors, I dont see a problem. 18:28:16 only thing: would you need a separate launcher for them or is something like that already included 18:29:08 i created exe launchers from bat files to launch the other files properly from the portableapps launcher 18:29:37 *** OliverK is now known as OliverK|Away 18:31:17 so its one Launcher (=icon that shows up in the menu)? 18:32:13 *** pa_6600 (548c7d0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.140.125.15) has joined #portableapps 18:32:13 yes, and that launcher reads the exe files in the sub folders of /PortableApps/* 18:32:37 *** pa_6600 has quit (Client Quit) 18:32:42 so there's a /PortableApps/I2P-Fox and a /PortableApps/I2P-Messenger 18:32:54 and those are listed in the launcher 18:33:25 how does the launcher know which exe he has to start? 18:34:02 idk, it's still old launcher version 1.5, it just reads all the exe's in the subfolders and puts those in the menu 18:34:18 KwukDuck: I'm thinking it would make more sense to have each program have it's own launcher which uses (and depends on) I2P, similar to java/JRE apps 18:34:32 MaienM: thats what I thought. 18:34:58 you want to keep the listing/running of apps to the platform, instead of creating submenu's/lists for different libraries or such 18:35:00 how many separate are there? 18:35:45 uhm, theres the I2P Launcher, I2P-Fox, I2P-Messenger, and iMule 18:35:52 so 3 apps running on I2P 18:36:05 the rest is integrated in I2P itsself 18:36:17 and if I run the Messanger and the I2P Launcher isnt running? 18:36:35 it'll pop an error saying it can't find the SAM bridge xD 18:37:21 ah 18:37:47 it would be best if i2p started together with the launcher 18:38:28 but then if I start the messenger when I2P-Fox is already running it would restart it 18:38:40 hm not good 18:40:18 I acnt think of a good solution - maybe someone else here has an idea? 18:40:34 well it's not a big issue realy i think 18:40:47 people just have to know they should start I2P before other apps will work 18:40:52 yes. 18:41:38 would you care to take a look at current pack? see how things are stuck together, what should be totaly changed or not 18:41:42 make a big note on the page and on the help.html included in the root of the packages. 18:42:36 i could rename the launcher button to "CLICK ME FIRST" 18:42:45 no 18:42:48 hehe 18:43:04 if its in the menu among VLC and Firefox and all other apps noone would know what it meant. 18:44:03 Maybe you could include it into the Messenger and -Fox packages and have it check if its already running and it wont start it if it is. Would require some more work though and probably be not easy to do. 18:44:12 *** Blint (~Michelle@5ad61d16.bb.sky.com) has joined #portableapps 18:44:15 *** Blint has quit (Changing host) 18:44:15 *** Blint (~Michelle@unaffiliated/blint) has joined #portableapps 18:44:25 bye all - gotta go 18:44:33 *** Simeon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 18:44:37 cya later Smieon 18:44:38 * 18:46:39 *** Blint has parted #portableapps (None) 18:55:28 *** d3f4u1t (d3f4u1t@dog44.cs.utsa.edu) has joined #portableapps 18:59:31 *** d3f4u1t has parted #portableapps (None) 18:59:41 *** Sam___ (5e0e40da@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.14.64.218) has joined #portableapps 19:00:22 does this work on windows ce 19:00:51 *** TASAIRES (~TASAIRES@84.121.163.24.dyn.user.ono.com) has joined #portableapps 19:01:56 @Gizmodkid2005 19:02:06 no Sam___ 19:02:26 oh why 19:02:36 because it's not a full version of windows. 19:02:42 oh ok thanks 19:07:26 *** Sam___ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 19:14:01 omnomnom 19:14:34 im trying to make an installer, but it crashes after i filled in all the details (interactive mode) 19:15:56 *** TASAIRES has quit (Quit: Saliendo) 19:24:05 *** OliverK|Away is now known as OliverK 19:35:03 *** andreasma (~andi@p5B07E0AD.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 19:38:38 *** rcmaehl (~rcmaehl@unaffiliated/rcmaehl) has joined #portableapps 20:15:07 *** gluxon (~gluxon@c-71-234-105-104.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 20:17:51 *** dboki89 has quit (Quit: Most things in life cost money... Be happy with the ones that don't!) 20:17:54 *** Zarggg_ (~zarggg@24.229.139.169.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) has joined #portableapps 20:20:26 *** Zarggg has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 20:28:05 *** Pamonit (~Pamonit@bzq-79-179-206-236.red.bezeqint.net) has joined #portableapps 20:31:41 *** Pamonit has quit (Client Quit) 20:41:26 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 21:01:20 *** pa_6669 (468a89d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.138.137.212) has joined #portableapps 21:02:58 help 21:03:14 state your problem, and we'll see what we can do 21:04:42 :) 21:04:59 for some reason autorun stoped working it wanted to open in another program. I deleted the other program now auto run doesn' run at all when I insert my usb drive? 21:06:46 reinstall the platform 21:07:04 Thanks 21:07:11 your welcome 21:07:16 *** pa_6669 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 21:07:17 pa_6669: No, don't reinstall it. 21:07:20 .. 21:07:28 Install over it >_< 21:07:35 that's what I meant 21:07:45 I guess I should have clarified :( 21:07:51 Some people may take reinstall as... delete everything and do another install :P 21:07:57 reinstall the platform, by installing over 21:08:01 oh, crap. 21:08:15 well, his fault :p should have asked if that was what I meant 21:09:21 :P 21:09:27 hehe 21:09:44 I missed him by barely a half second :( 21:16:14 *** rcmaehl has quit (Quit: Leaving) 21:17:35 *** MaienM has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21:18:59 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 21:18:59 MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable. 21:21:31 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 21:41:16 *** Kyle_ (~Kyle@69.182.79.239) has joined #portableapps 21:41:29 *** Kyle_ is now known as SrgSiler|AFK 21:41:35 *** SrgSiler|AFK has quit (Changing host) 21:41:35 *** SrgSiler|AFK (~Kyle@unaffiliated/sergentsiler) has joined #portableapps 21:53:47 *** andreasma has quit (Quit: Verlassend) 21:56:15 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a79-169-161-86.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 22:34:40 *** Gringoloco_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 22:36:28 *** OliverK is now known as OliverK|Away 22:36:37 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 22:48:52 *** MaienM is now known as MaienM|Sleep 22:49:50 *** awircser (~awircser@41.238.212.37) has joined #portableapps 22:56:14 *** awircser has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22:57:55 *** BeckySanderlin`x has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:00:06 *** BeckySanderlin`x (~quassel@c-98-252-21-200.hsd1.de.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 23:18:13 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:32:55 *** JohnTHaller|away is now known as JohnTHaller 23:34:50 *** Col_Forbin (~Col_Forbi@unaffiliated/col-forbin/x-040147) has joined #portableapps 23:35:19 *** Col_Forbin has quit (Client Quit) 23:54:30 *** Johnny_McKenzie (~Johnny_Mc@host81-147-20-11.range81-147.btcentralplus.com) has joined #portableapps 23:54:51 *** Johnny_McKenzie has parted #portableapps (None)