00:09:22 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 00:25:49 *** OliverK (~WifiWomba@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 00:25:50 OliverK is a programmer, podcaster, html spelunker and pretty handy with a screwdriver. In short, not to be trifled with. 00:27:02 Typical... I go to remove Marble and WinDjView from the status page and when I go to save find Simeon has just done it! 00:36:42 *** flyback has parted #portableapps ("Leaving") 00:57:25 *** dboki89 has parted #portableapps ("Most things in life cost money... Be happy with the ones that don't!") 01:01:08 *** BeckySanderlin`x (~quassel@c-98-252-21-200.hsd1.de.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 01:21:04 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-68-173-251-34.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 01:21:14 Suggestions on today's app anybody? 01:21:30 got a pool to vote on? 01:22:14 Mostly this: http://portableapps.com/node/11772 http://portableapps.com/development/test http://portableapps.com/development/test/status 01:23:30 you can delete FAkeNES 01:24:13 screamer needs to be redone . . . . 01:24:18 did anyonbe else pick up fakenes? 01:24:23 no 01:24:27 its dead anyway 01:24:31 no updates in like 3 years 01:24:45 I don't know a it even works on vista and win 7 I can't remember 01:24:49 it isn't worth it anyway 01:24:51 seriously 01:24:56 Does the app itself work well, though? I mean it is emulating a ridiculously old system. 01:25:02 no 01:25:15 that's why I said to delete the comment 01:25:20 already did 01:25:25 plus the code base is to old 01:25:49 let's see if I can find something . . . Got to figure out who's still around, that I've played with 01:26:46 For things where folks are inactive, we're picking them up and updating them. One reason why I put out the word for folks to indicate they are still active in their topics several weeks back. 01:27:37 what about eclipse? 01:28:02 that's a big package though, maybe best to not release it today but tomorrow 01:28:10 I'd like to finish up the Java licensing issue first. We're in the process of getting approval from Oracle. Hence the name change to jPortable. 01:28:20 k 01:28:57 I was thinking of FreeCiv 01:29:02 same with anything java based I presume 01:29:04 Current Release: http://portableapps.com/node/24343 01:29:47 Yeah. Once Java licensing is complete, we'll have the way it installs set and can build it into the platform and have the updater pull down java whenever you have an app that needs it and it's not yet installed. 01:31:21 hmm, i can't see why not 01:31:29 never used it myself however 01:31:44 It's pretty cool. I checked it out. 01:33:16 I can't speak for it, but if it works, I can't think of a reason not to 01:33:34 I'll give it another once-over in the VM to be sure. 01:45:30 I want to go through Eclipse, too. Last time I did there were major issues with it. Really what it needs is PAL. 01:45:44 orly, 01:45:54 the last time I went through it, it was fine 01:52:01 *** Zarggg (~zarggg@24.229.139.169.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) has joined #portableapps 02:02:43 *** rcmaehl has quit (Quit: Leaving) 02:07:12 hey John 02:07:33 I'll send you the update for PChat tonight, just got to reboot to my windows partition 02:08:06 *** ZachThibeau is now known as Zach[AFK] 02:09:41 *** Zach[AFK] is now known as ZachThibeau 02:10:07 back :) 02:12:15 and wow JohnTHaller I don't know how long this went but PChat Portable's help.html file hasn't even been setup properly, still a generic template, I'll get that fixed in the update I send to you later 02:17:57 *** ptmb has quit (Quit: Bye) 02:38:42 *** superboyian (~michelle@unaffiliated/superboyian) has joined #portableapps 02:39:04 *** superboyian has quit (Client Quit) 02:40:18 *** superboyian (~superboyi@2.125.103.125) has joined #portableapps 02:40:18 *** superboyian has quit (Changing host) 02:40:18 *** superboyian (~superboyi@unaffiliated/superboyian) has joined #portableapps 02:40:20 *** superboyian has parted #portableapps (None) 03:13:46 *** pa_7541 (320a0e8a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.10.14.138) has joined #portableapps 03:15:25 hello 03:15:53 greetings 03:16:31 i had PA on my flash drive for a while and is probably way out of date.. updating each app is a nightmare .. should i just delete and start anew? 03:16:49 you should try the updater I think 03:17:11 http://portableapps.com/news/2010-07-17_-_portableapps.com_platform_2.0_beta_5_released 03:17:28 Otherwise, you could delete everything and start over, but you'll lose your settings 03:18:13 ok. not worried about settings.. so starting new may be a better and a more streamline... correct? 03:18:34 why not just try the updater? 03:19:03 well ... i've never done anything like that... 03:19:13 so what do i need to do? 03:19:17 but.. 03:19:24 I've been using it since it came out 03:19:44 when i was updting the clam.. it just took forever . i eventually cancelled it 03:19:59 That's just the virus definitions. ANd that server is often slow. 03:20:26 ok..could you just walk me through that.... if you don't mind 03:20:29 You'll be updating your apps from the SourceForge mirror servers. Which will take the same amount of time as going and downloading them all yourself. 03:21:12 i was just thinking of deleting the whole lot and just downloading the suite 03:21:57 how do i do the updater.. thingy? 03:22:17 just download the new menu and install it 03:22:47 the download link is http://downloads.sourceforge.net/portableapps/PortableApps.com_Platform_Setup_2.0_Beta_5.exe?download_redirect_do_not_right_click 03:22:47 Download this file: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/portableapps/PortableApps.com_Platform_Setup_2.0_Beta_5.exe 03:23:09 Heh, I'll leave you in OliverK's capable hands and stop butting in :) 03:23:30 :D 03:23:44 you're welcome to take over if you would like 03:25:09 Tis ok, I'm packaging up FreeCiv at the moment for release :D 03:25:24 okay. pa_7541, let me know why you have it installed 03:25:47 ok... the 'PortableApps.com_Platform_Setup_2.0_Beta_5.exe' has been downloaded.. should i just run it? 03:25:53 yep 03:26:32 it's been downloaded to my laptop.. by running the exe will it update my flash drive? 03:26:39 yep 03:26:50 k.. one brb 03:26:56 well, it should. Just make sure it wants to install to your drive 03:28:51 it's doing it's thing.. brb 03:28:56 k 03:29:41 k.. it's done 03:29:44 now..? 03:29:52 start the menu 03:30:07 k.. and 'manage apps'? 03:30:17 yes 03:30:17 check for updates? 03:30:23 yup 03:30:31 k.. brb 03:30:42 make sure if it wants to update an app you have that one close 03:31:20 oops.. my firefox is open .. i'll close and brb 03:31:26 *** pa_7541 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 03:31:27 okay 03:31:30 duur 03:31:45 JohnTHaller: something you should probably think about on the updater, is that if I run an installer and it fails because the app is running, it trashes the downloaded installer and then I have to download it again so maybe there should be someway to try again? 03:34:28 Yeah, I'm updating the installer to do an OK Cancel on that message... OK meaning you've closed it and it'll try again. But it'll take another release of each app to catch up. SHould have it out tomorrow 03:34:50 cool 03:34:53 then I should wait then to send you the PChat Portable update then 03:35:00 +1 03:36:25 *** pa_9937 (320a0e8a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.10.14.138) has joined #portableapps 03:38:11 OliverK: i just opened the browser on my 'lapdog' (should have done that to begin with ..hehe) the updater is doing its thing.. flash drive light is dancing like crazy 03:38:32 yup 03:38:54 its going to scan threw and figure out which apps needs to be updated, download them, and then run those installers silently 03:39:05 its works pretty well 03:39:14 its about half way through 03:39:41 yes.. it is just AWSOME.. kudos to the entire PA team 03:39:49 WHAT AN APP.. 03:40:10 send your thanks to JohnTHaller, its his work :) 03:40:35 Glad you like it pa_9937 :) 03:41:28 JohnTHaller: yes.. ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT 03:43:04 Cool. Just getting started. The next beta adds more cool stuff. And we're celebrating the 31 days of app-ness with a new app every day this month, too :) 03:43:27 wow 03:44:38 so JohnTHaller shall I want to send the PChat update now or wait till the next version of the installer? 03:44:56 Send it now and I can repack it for you for release tomorrow 03:45:07 alright 03:45:32 is 'glary utilities' still part of PA? 03:45:56 things you download from the forums won't be updated sadly 03:46:07 python and tcl can be included addon installers for PChat and I'll include the spell check library too 03:46:23 but that would be somewhat of a mess to implement 03:46:25 pa_9937: glary isn't official yet but should be soon 03:47:29 ok.. i had that in my PA suite.. i guess that will not be updated then 03:48:07 nope, all you need to though is get the update from the forums. Using the updater won't prevent you from doing updates yourself :) 03:48:29 oh.. 03:49:06 ok.. i've not done that before.. so how do i go about doing that? 03:49:38 you're looking for glary utilities? 03:49:58 yes.. 03:50:12 i don't see that in the 'Forum' 03:50:26 so, just go to http://portableapps.com/search and search for "glary utilities" 03:50:42 then, you'll find this link http://portableapps.com/node/20481 03:51:00 download and install, just like you did the updater :) 03:52:54 i c... ok.. since GU is still a dev test.. should i just wait.. or DL and replace? 03:53:11 I would certainly suggest updating it 03:53:41 OliverK: ok.. thanks.. let me do that.. brb 03:55:58 OliverK: should i first uninstall the previous version or will it automatically replace it with the newer version? 03:56:39 you shouldn't need to uninstall first, it should do its own updates 03:56:59 ok.. let me try 03:57:50 so . i should go to "manage apps" and "install new app"? 03:58:03 you can, or you can just run the installer 03:58:15 k 03:59:56 ok JohnTHaller almost done package it up, spell check works, and also I've included the scripting plugins lua (which includes the runtimes locally), also python and tcl should work, already included but the runtimes would need to be installed via addon, strawberry perl works properly now :P, and python from python 27 from python.org works and tcl is active state version 04:00:46 uses myspell which pidgen uses too 04:01:31 Today's new app is out: http://portableapps.com/news/2010-12-12_-_freeciv_portable_2.2.4 04:02:26 cool 04:05:40 OliverK: i ran the installer and it's all done.. but i forgot to make a note of what my previous version was.. it is now showing '2.30.0.1066'.. is this the latest version? 04:06:09 yeap 04:06:48 ok.. cool.. thanks.. 04:09:57 ok JohnTHaller email or private message for the PChat Portable update? 04:10:10 email the link and i'll get it tomorrow. heading to bed for now 04:10:15 alrighty 04:12:50 OliverK: let me ask one more thing.. what does all this update do to my flash drive..? 04:13:05 do flash drive ever need to be defraged? 04:13:10 no! 04:13:18 k 04:13:28 they employ wear leveling to reduce the writes on the drive so it lasts longer 04:13:39 so defragging does nothing good 04:13:52 i c.. 04:14:10 email sent John, have a good night as I'm going to bed too 04:14:16 just make sure you bckup the drive every so often 04:14:31 expect the release tomorrow 04:14:33 gnight all 04:14:51 *** ZachThibeau is now known as Zach[AFK] 04:15:04 JohnTHaller: thanks a bunch.. your work is just AWSOME 04:16:05 OliverK: so i guess formatting it doesn't help either.. 04:16:18 well, it will remove your data in a sense 04:16:25 it depends on what you want to do 04:16:37 pa_9937: glad you like it. please enjoy and spread the word 04:17:10 JohnTHaller: sure will.. thanks again.. i just love PA 04:17:19 g'night 04:17:23 ... and... Zzzzzz :) 04:17:24 if you just want to wipe it, then it will work 04:17:54 but if you want to trash your data, you'd best do for physical deletion 04:18:04 i.e. a hammer, blender, torch 04:18:09 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 04:18:27 but to just delete everything on the drive, a format is fine 04:18:40 its actually like that with a standard disk drive 04:18:52 the files aren't always actually deleted, just "lost" 04:19:10 so to securely wipe a drive you need something like DBAN or a physical method 04:19:13 OliverK: don't know why but i'm always defaulting to the defragging concept 04:19:21 how so? 04:20:05 *** Zach[AFK] is now known as ZachThibeau 04:20:12 well all this install, uninstall, update, write, delete.. i just think it creates all those holes that need to be compacted 04:20:24 *** ZachThibeau is now known as ZachT|ZzZz 04:20:50 on a magnetic disk drive, like you probably have on yur computer, yes, it would 04:21:16 when i use "mydefrag" i see how things are all over the place and once the app runs its all nice and compact 04:21:17 but each sector of a flash drive can only be written to so many time, that the drives emply wear leveling to make them last longer 04:21:27 indeed 04:21:35 and then wear leveling will spread it out again 04:21:45 in short, it doesn't really help with flash drives 04:21:51 i c 04:22:08 makes sense.. 04:22:28 on the magnetic drive, you have less of wear limit on the sectors 04:22:49 actually, of of the motors probably burns out first 04:23:00 windows kinda burnt that concept into my brain.. lol.. that's why i can never understand why linux never needs defragging 04:23:20 because its how the fileformat was written. Or so I am told 04:23:23 *** ZachT|ZzZz is now known as Zach[AFK] 04:28:06 true.. 04:31:36 OliverK: my PA shows 'Version 2.0, Beta 5 Pre2'.. so is this the latest? 04:31:42 yep 04:32:15 so basically i am up-to-date? 04:32:25 AFAIK 04:32:30 i mean my PA. 04:32:34 k.. thanks 04:33:51 well.. OliverK you have been very helpful and thanks a ton for bringing me up to speed... i really appreciate it.. :) 04:33:58 no problem 04:34:21 g'night.. 04:34:24 night 04:34:32 *** pa_9937 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 04:36:55 *** Scriptdaemon (~KennyW@cpe-76-83-207-236.dc.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 04:37:08 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Client Quit) 05:02:08 *** flyback (~toothache@c-98-219-129-239.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 05:02:18 *** flyback has parted #portableapps (None) 05:02:43 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:37:38 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 05:47:18 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:47:32 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 06:01:51 *** OliverK has quit (Quit: so long and thanks for all the fish) 06:17:00 *** mark105 (~Mark@122.58.184.139) has joined #portableapps 07:19:07 *** mark105 has quit (Quit: Leaving) 09:03:42 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 09:05:34 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 09:16:40 *** ChrisMorgan1 (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 09:17:51 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09:31:13 *** ChrisMorgan1 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 09:44:39 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 09:51:44 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 09:56:59 *** SteveLamerton (~kvirc@207.197.adsl.brightview.com) has joined #portableapps 10:10:15 *** BeckySanderlin`x has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10:10:19 *** BeckySanderlin`x (~quassel@c-98-252-21-200.hsd1.de.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 11:54:29 *** sar3th is now known as sar3th|away 12:51:55 *** SteveLamerton has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13:11:39 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@clsm-207-7-178-151-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) has joined #portableapps 13:11:39 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Changing host) 13:11:39 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 13:23:05 *** SteveLamerton (~kvirc@207.197.adsl.brightview.com) has joined #portableapps 13:26:18 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 13:38:13 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 13:46:43 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 13:51:59 *** ChrisMorgan1 (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 13:52:05 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:54:21 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit) 13:56:04 *** pa_2063 (29b83297@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.184.50.151) has joined #portableapps 13:56:09 hi 13:56:15 good day 13:56:55 *** ChrisMorgan1 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13:57:07 pleasse how do i create a paf.exe for installation 13:57:10 help 13:57:16 ? 14:08:35 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@clsm-207-7-178-151-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) has joined #portableapps 14:08:35 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Changing host) 14:08:35 *** Oni-Neoxes (~Oni-Neoxe@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 14:16:13 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:21:53 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 14:23:05 *** pa_0408 (414e7b12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.78.123.18) has joined #portableapps 14:27:51 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Quit: Quit) 14:30:11 *** pa_2063 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 14:49:58 *** pa_0408 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 16:16:02 *** Zach[AFK] is now known as ZachThibeau 16:16:11 howdy folks 16:16:42 k 16:17:22 hey SteveLamerton 16:17:34 Hey ZachThibeau 16:17:43 whats new? 16:18:28 Not much, just merging a bunch of code into the Toucan trunk, you? 16:19:09 waiting for John to launch PChat Portable update 16:20:40 1.4? 16:23:23 yup 16:24:16 includes several bug fixes in which XChat itself hasn't fixed yet 16:24:33 Good work, what did you do to the build system? 16:25:32 build system still uses codeblocks but a member of my team fixed it so that it's easier to perform the release builds :P 16:26:04 Ahhh ok :) 16:26:15 yup 16:26:25 gained 2 new team members too 16:27:51 What are they working on? 16:27:55 1 for working on the linux port, and also another for generic patch support, ie fixing some stuff we missed, providing small fixes here and there 16:28:06 Sounds very useful 16:28:12 yup 16:36:36 *** ZachThibeau has parted #portableapps (None) 16:36:37 *** ZachThibeau (jon@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 16:36:37 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 16:38:29 *** z3uS has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 16:44:27 *** z3uS (~z3us@plzhalp.us) has joined #portableapps 16:48:33 *** sar3th|away is now known as sar3th 17:04:24 *** shaanl (~shaanl@196-210-198-48.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) has joined #portableapps 17:04:28 *** shaanl has parted #portableapps (None) 17:04:32 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-68-173-251-34.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 17:05:21 Hi JohnTHaller 17:05:26 hola 17:06:25 howdy John 17:07:28 how goes it? 17:07:42 pretty good 17:08:29 you get the email alright? I made it late last night and wasn't sure if I sent it to the right address lol 17:09:27 yup. gonna post it today after new installer and TB revision 17:09:51 awesome 17:10:22 the plugins I included in the installer could be removed and packaged with the addon installers probably 17:11:10 hopefully once the new gtk for windows gets posted I'll be able to get transparency working and some other stuff 17:16:46 from what I hear transparency stuff are supposed to be fixed in the new gtk release 17:16:50 and stupid virtualbox update 17:17:06 I don't like it restarting my network :/ 17:18:13 yeah, that is annoying 17:19:51 *** JohnTHaller has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 17:42:21 *** SteveLamerton has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 18:10:53 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 19:26:24 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-68-173-251-34.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 19:35:29 *** Alcasar (40125748@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.18.87.72) has joined #portableapps 19:37:05 Connecting via proxy.csdm.qc.ca WARNING: getfile: Error while reading database from database.clamav.net (IP: 10.28.0.60): Operation already in progress WARNING: getpatch: Can't download daily-12374.cdiff from database.clamav.net 19:37:39 That's what i get when i try to update Clamwin 19:37:45 That's a ClamWIn error and not something we'd really be able to help with. You should just keep trying again until it works. 19:38:06 Or you could be behind a work/school proxy that is blocking access 19:38:14 :-( k 19:38:20 *** Alcasar has quit (Client Quit) 19:38:22 You tried a few times? 19:53:57 welcome back John 19:58:05 *** TASAIRES (~TASAIRES@84.121.187.26.dyn.user.ono.com) has joined #portableapps 20:10:24 *** TASAIRES has quit (Quit: Saliendo) 20:13:26 *** dboki89 (~user@dynamic-213-198-197-196.adsl.eunet.rs) has joined #portableapps 20:13:28 *** dboki89 has quit (Changing host) 20:13:28 *** dboki89 (~user@unaffiliated/dboki) has joined #portableapps 20:35:15 *** JohnTHaller1 (~JohnTHall@cpe-68-173-251-34.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 20:35:40 *** BeckySanderlin`x has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 20:35:58 *** JohnTHaller has quit (Disconnected by services) 20:36:05 *** JohnTHaller1 is now known as JohnTHaller 20:56:16 *** ZachThibeau is now known as Zach[AFK] 20:59:32 *** Zach[AFK] is now known as ZachThibeau 21:19:23 *** Zarggg has quit (Quit: Zarggg) 21:25:59 *** Zarggg (~zarggg@24.229.139.169.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) has joined #portableapps 21:36:08 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 21:54:24 *** Simeon (~Itunes@dslb-092-075-226-064.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #portableapps 21:54:32 Hi all 21:54:39 hola 21:55:07 Hi John! Congrats on Freeciv! I always liked the game 21:55:33 yeah, it's pretty cool. wish sound was less fiddly with it though 21:55:41 I know its not just you but its official now so you are kinda involved ;) 21:56:52 Did you read about the issue with Marble taking long to start and exit if I have downloaded a lot of map data (http://portableapps.com/news/2010-12-11_-_marble_portable_0.10.1#comment-165773)? 21:57:26 Yeah. Spose we could ditch the cache data 21:57:31 *** rcmaehl (~rcmaehl@74-141-211-116.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #portableapps 21:57:31 *** rcmaehl has quit (Changing host) 21:57:31 *** rcmaehl (~rcmaehl@unaffiliated/rcmaehl) has joined #portableapps 21:59:09 sometimes its useful to download stuff to have it available locally if youre offline... 21:59:33 and its a bad idea imho to have it delete custom-added maps downloaded from the Marble page. 22:00:18 I say bring it up with the dev. I'm gonna try and stay out of stuff like this and focus on bringing apps through, platform and site. If a decision needs my opinion, I can jump in then, 22:00:30 ok 22:08:54 It was nice to have the Stellarium guy here yesterday. Read about it. 22:09:30 YTea 22:13:03 hey Simeon and John 22:13:20 hi Zach 22:14:49 whats new? 22:14:59 I know john has been fairly busy :P 22:15:45 :) 22:16:43 PChat Portable 1.4 should be released soon too, should address some issues not only the stuff I found but stuff inherited from XChat 22:16:50 havent done as much portableapps related stuff as I hoped - time is an issue here. 22:20:30 and so I have got to go, hoping for a surprise from John in the morning - gnight all! 22:21:34 Icebreaker seems to me a nice simple game for release today, JohnTHaller. Sound OK? I can test it out now. 22:22:01 Link? 22:22:12 http://portableapps.com/development/test/status 22:22:20 and http://portableapps.com/node/23626 22:22:36 I second that Chris 22:23:18 page shows 1.2.1 as current but this is 1.9.5? 22:23:37 *** BeckySanderlin`x (~quassel@c-98-252-21-200.hsd1.de.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 22:25:54 its the latest beta 22:26:26 but it never crashed while I tried it. 22:26:43 and no sound. kinda simplistic 22:27:12 and I think there wont be any updates anytime soon :) 22:27:28 It talks about sound in the themes page. 22:27:53 That is, sound, not music. 22:28:45 sounds are included but non-functional on my PC 22:29:17 Ah. 22:29:21 Oh they are... there's only one sound. A thud when a penguin breaks one of your walls 22:29:33 SoundOuch and SoundCrash 22:30:02 I wouldn't know - I've played it before, but I never have sound turned on for such things. 22:30:28 A game without sound is a bit... outdated 22:30:52 thats the only problem - last release was 5 years ago or something 22:31:42 Yeah, 2 sounds. crash when a penguin hits a wall in progress. ouch when you try and start a wall on a penguin. no sound of the wall being built or completed. no sound to start or end a level. 22:32:19 Ignoring the sound bit, the game is really complete; there's little more that could be done to it without killing its simplicity. 22:32:27 So a release from years ago isn't an issue. 22:32:30 But perhaps sound is? 22:33:44 11k 8bit sound in 2 WAVs. 22:35:05 Yep. 22:35:24 Wonder if it'll work with better sounds 22:35:46 I have the portable package and it has more sound files. 22:36:39 looks they are for differnet themes 22:37:11 Yeah, it's the 1.9.5 beta from the site. I'm looking at the same 22:37:24 Sound player is really rough. 22:37:26 Simeon: there are only two "slots" for sounds. 22:37:45 I just realised that Chris 22:37:57 and a long todo list :) 22:38:21 Ah, I swapped in the SDL DLLs from LBreakout (which we used to fix its sound) and the sound works much better in IceBreaker 22:38:32 nice 22:38:42 JohnTHaller: 1.9.6 switched from 11k to 22k 22:39:09 And if you look carefully - http://mattdm.org/icebreaker//development.shtml - you find there /are/ actually 1.9.6 binaries for Windows. 22:39:33 Still from May 31, 2002. 22:39:48 What does 196 have that 197 doesnt? 22:40:03 Yeah 196 sounds are better. Just tried em 22:40:44 Simeon: that 197 doesn't or that 195 doesn't? 22:40:56 That page lists the changes 22:41:20 I wondered why you recommended the 1.9.6 download - it was the better sound right? 22:42:55 Yes 22:43:06 196 has 22k sounds instead of 11k 22:43:16 and a better SDL build it seems 22:43:54 "Sounds are now 22050Hz. Full keyboard support. Lots of cleanup." 22:46:13 Ok, I'm cool with the 196 version with the fixed sound for release. 22:50:58 128 icon is the next problem I guess... 22:51:09 all icons are win95-like 22:52:27 The icon is just a screenshot it seems 22:54:22 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a79-169-161-178.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 22:54:49 hey ptmb 22:55:01 Hi ZachThibeau 23:01:48 I redid it, thoughts? http://portableapps.com/temp/IceBreaker.png 23:04:02 *** IMS (~einsteini@97-81-6-237.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 23:05:19 *** IMS has parted #portableapps (None) 23:07:01 @John: its good. it cant be a lot better than the base app. 23:08:52 gnight all 23:08:55 *** Simeon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 23:10:03 I have a better idea... 23:10:09 o_O 23:14:04 I find it fascinating that one little gem that I did last year, DropUpLoad, http://portableapps.com/node/21191, is my least-downloaded app, four times last month and none this month. When on Windows, I actually found it very helpful for easily uploading portable apps and thought that others would too. (Since going to Linux and a new web host which provided shell access, I've used scp.) 23:14:55 Couple Crystal icons combined and recolored: http://portableapps.com/temp/IceBreakerNew.png 23:15:49 ChrisMorgan: i use FileZilla for ftp, for everything else, there is WinSCP 23:17:04 sar3th: I used FileZilla for FTP as well, but once I found DropUpLoad I switched to it for uploading to the one directory - just drag it from Explorer into the window, much simpler than FileZilla. 23:17:12 Does it do SFTP? 23:17:25 Any thoughts on the new IceBreaker icon? 23:18:54 It's... different. 23:19:40 shiftreload, ditched the drop shadow 23:20:03 It's got the board both types of walls and a penguin sittin on it. All the elements. And it's cute. 23:24:37 Found another penguin to use, too: http://portableapps.com/temp/IceBreakerNewOther.png 23:24:47 May fit better 23:36:16 The "other" one is probably going to make people think of FrozenBubble (it's its logo if I recall correctly). And neither are really in character with the one inside this which is a more normally proportioned penguin. 23:36:58 it' 23:37:12 *** P (~P@nor75-31-78-235-249-50.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #portableapps 23:37:15 it's a relatively commone proportion. this is actually the Crystal XChat icon 23:37:39 *** P is now known as Guest69123 23:37:56 No, not Frozen Bubble, some other thing... can't think what it is off the top of my head. 23:49:56 *** Guest69123 has parted #portableapps ("Leaving")