00:07:17 *** gluxon has parted #portableapps (None) 00:07:17 *** gluxon has parted #portableapps (None) 00:12:08 *** pa_3290 (617886eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.120.134.235) has joined #portableapps 00:12:08 *** pa_3290 (617886eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.120.134.235) has joined #portableapps 00:12:57 Tim Clark asked, "Do you have any open source pinball game you would like to suggest? A link to a site perhaps?" 00:12:57 Tim Clark asked, "Do you have any open source pinball game you would like to suggest? A link to a site perhaps?" 00:13:30 *** JacobMastel has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:13:30 *** JacobMastel has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:13:59 The Visual Pinball project ("vpinball") is now Open Source 00:13:59 The Visual Pinball project ("vpinball") is now Open Source 00:14:00 *** JacobMastel (~jacobm001@128-193-249-18.resnet.oregonstate.edu) has joined #portableapps 00:14:00 *** JacobMastel (~jacobm001@128-193-249-18.resnet.oregonstate.edu) has joined #portableapps 00:14:15 Sorry for the glitch... can we help you pa_3290? 00:14:15 Sorry for the glitch... can we help you pa_3290? 00:15:08 In http://portableapps.com/node/11967 Tim Clark asked, "Do you have any open source pinball game you would like to suggest? A link to a site perhaps?" 00:15:08 In http://portableapps.com/node/11967 Tim Clark asked, "Do you have any open source pinball game you would like to suggest? A link to a site perhaps?" 00:15:18 The Visual Pinball project ("vpinball") is now Open Source 00:15:18 The Visual Pinball project ("vpinball") is now Open Source 00:16:45 you should post that in the forum then not here, be easier to put a request in the forums than in irc 00:16:45 you should post that in the forum then not here, be easier to put a request in the forums than in irc 00:17:08 Don't have access... 00:17:08 Don't have access... 00:18:05 *** pa_3290 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 00:18:05 *** pa_3290 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 00:19:53 probably because he didn't register 00:19:53 probably because he didn't register 00:21:10 just probably :> 00:21:10 just probably :> 00:23:18 Lol That's a design consol not a game... 00:23:18 Lol That's a design consol not a game... 00:23:18 :P 00:23:18 :P 00:25:55 Ye not sure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Pinball 00:25:55 Ye not sure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Pinball 00:27:33 It just comes as an editor. No games installed. 00:27:33 It just comes as an editor. No games installed. 00:35:13 lol 00:35:13 lol 00:43:11 *** JacobMastel is now known as JacobMastel-Away 00:43:11 *** JacobMastel is now known as JacobMastel-Away 00:56:54 *** TimClark (0c49f111@gateway/web/freenode/ip.12.73.241.17) has joined #portableapps 00:57:28 test 00:57:51 Gizmokid2005: that seems to have fixed the log, thank you 00:58:05 you're welcome TimClark 00:58:11 I hadn't realized there were dups here as well 01:05:41 *** Thasmo has quit () 01:14:36 *** pathy (~pathy@sns58-142.york.ac.uk) has joined #portableapps 01:15:51 *** pathy has parted #portableapps (None) 01:17:48 *** Scriptdaemon (~KennyW@cpe-76-83-207-236.dc.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 01:26:05 hey Scriptdaemon and Tim 01:26:34 Hello again ZachThibeau 01:45:41 Hey ZachThibeau. 01:56:14 *** TimClark has parted #portableapps (None) 02:07:24 *** JacobMastel-Away is now known as JacobMastel 02:07:50 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Politeness, n. The most acceptable hypocrisy.) 02:49:39 *** JacobMastel has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03:01:17 *** JacobMastel (~jacobm001@128-193-249-18.resnet.oregonstate.edu) has joined #portableapps 03:51:52 *** JohnTHaller1 (~JohnTHall@cpe-24-193-226-114.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 03:51:59 *** JohnTHaller1 is now known as JohnTHaller 03:55:16 Evening John 03:55:57 Hola 04:00:57 Tick5 has been updated to specification, although has had no reports. 04:01:26 Do you still want me to do the t3 one? It's pretty buggy on win7. 04:02:34 It ran for me ok on Win7,. buggy how? 04:03:18 I'm not sure why, but it seems to crash on x64 specifically. I'm not sure why, but it works alright on my x32. 04:04:12 I'm on x64 04:04:40 Alirght, maybe it's wrong with that virtual machine... 04:04:55 I say update it, hopefully we'll get some testeers 04:05:07 Alright will do. 04:06:01 btw - you missed updating the stickies.ini paths for things like sound files and stuff. I'm adding it in. 04:07:34 Crap. Okay. 04:07:39 Anything else I missed? 04:09:14 Few minor things like the appicon_128. URL was wrong in appinfo.ini (was portableapps.com/stickies instead of StickiesPortable). 04:10:25 I thought you only needed appicon_16 and appicon_32 04:11:08 we include the 128 if there is one. and there is one in stickies.exe. a 256px actually. so I extracted and resized it down. 04:11:33 We don't use it in the apps themselves yet. But I need it for the app page and the splash (if applicable), so if the dev doesn't do, it's one more thing for me to do. 04:12:16 Okay I'll make sure to do that from now on. 04:12:29 hey John 04:12:49 You think the stickies dev is ok with a splash? I'd like to have one since it only shows up in the systray. 04:12:52 hi ZachThibeau 04:13:25 It should be fine. He didn't have anything to say about it on my old version when I emailed him a copy. 04:14:09 His license says it can be freely distributed, he would just like the courtasy of being informed. 04:14:09 Ah ok, cool. Hang on, I'll post it for review. 04:14:37 When we release it I'll shoot him an email. 04:17:06 Okay t3 is running much better on my base win7 x64 system than the virtual. I'll reset the virtual system. 04:17:38 http://portableapps.com/temp/StickiesPortable.jpg 04:18:13 Did the publisher actually give us permission or just say for us to let him know as a courtesy? When we have permission, we like to publicize that fact. 04:18:45 We do have permission. I asked him before I did my origional launcher. That's just what his license says 04:18:56 Ah cool 04:19:00 Like the splash? 04:19:17 It looks good. 04:19:32 Hopefully we can get him to promote it on his site, too. 04:19:46 He already promots my u3 suggestion and my old launcher on his site. 04:20:00 As well as dragonmajes. 04:20:04 Ah cool. We can give him a lil PA.c installer logo for it that fits with his site. 04:20:04 I'll find you the link... 04:20:55 It was Devo my bad... http://www.zhornsoftware.co.uk/support/kb.pl?q=00002 04:20:57 here's the updated appinfo.ini (ignore the pastebin title) http://pastebin.com/pLegQX9q 04:21:19 When you release the official I'll let him know he can take those down. 04:21:32 Yeah, he should probably ditch U3 anyway since it's dead 04:21:59 At the time it was holding on and he had a lot of forum posts about it. 04:23:51 Alright corrected my own files. 04:26:43 For a later release, I bet we can custom code language switching in. 04:27:20 Yeah it'll be a pain. Are you aware of how that works? 04:28:28 Yeah. It shouldn't be more than about 10 lines of code. We just keep em all in subdirs corresponding to the lang code for each. Copy em in if appropriate or ensure it's deleted on English/EnglishGB 04:29:35 I guess that could work. Each language file is only around 100kb 04:29:59 Exactly. It's just a bit of custom code in the launcher. Nothing more complex than stuff I've done in custom launchers. 04:31:02 I'll look into it for the next release. 04:31:27 How often does Stickies get updated? 04:32:35 Not too often... Usually a couple times a year. 04:34:29 These skins have also been released as PAM themed. 04:34:31 http://www.zhornsoftware.co.uk/stickies/skins/showone.pl?d=pamglitch 04:34:36 http://www.zhornsoftware.co.uk/stickies/skins/showone.pl?d=portableapps.com 04:34:38 ah cool 04:34:42 http://www.zhornsoftware.co.uk/stickies/skins/showone.pl?d=portableappscommenu 04:34:46 The first one is mine. 04:35:01 Devo did the first, and Dragonmage the last. 04:35:07 Devo did the second I mean. 04:35:15 Yeah, we'll chat with the author about a rev release with a skin or two and language switching. The switching would be nice. 04:36:30 All of those skins are fairly outdated. Mine would be the most advaned (built for 6x) I'll see what it'll take to update a version for 7x that will fit the menu theme. 04:37:05 maybe we can get him to post it as the official portable version on his site's download page, since it'll work anywhere with or without the PA.c platform 04:38:02 Want me to email him or would you prefer to? 04:39:10 You've chatted with him a few times, so you can to keep that relationship going. Feel free to CC my direct jh@pa email. 04:40:35 alright thanks. 04:41:10 When you get it released I'll send an email with a link to the page and such. 04:52:29 When you email him, could you ask if he can create a donation landing page we can link to? We can't get paypal forms working properly in our app homepages. 04:53:09 For review: http://portableapps.com/apps/office/stickies_portable 04:53:41 Yeah will do. 04:55:27 That's a much better description than mine. 04:55:52 I'm getting better at it 04:56:15 And the screenshot is pretty good too btw. 04:56:52 I took two of his, cut em a bit and combined em. To really show off the whole app. 04:57:09 stickies is supported on win98 still 04:57:23 PA.c Launcher is not. 04:57:27 Nor is the installer. 04:57:28 Oh okay. 04:57:52 We've completely dropped Win9x now. I remove it from all app pages as I update them as well. 04:59:53 Is there a way to check screen resoultion through PAL? 05:01:19 Not without custom code I don't think. WHy 05:03:21 nvm. I just realised it's a moot point with 7x. 05:03:35 Ok, Stickies is up: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-01-02_-_stickies_portable_7.1a 05:03:48 You used to "lose" stickies when you went from a higher resolution system to a lower. 05:04:09 Yay!! :D 05:13:27 :) 05:35:10 JohnTHaller: Do you have a copy of those installer logos handy? Or will those need to be finished at a later date? 05:36:19 logos fort stikcies? 05:37:06 Yeah. For Tom to use on his page. 05:40:16 email me the page to m,my jh@po emailo. and I'll post em tomorrow 05:40:33 Okay. 05:41:12 I'm not sure if he was going to use them or not. I'm writing the email and figured if they were already made/available it wouldn't hurt to attach them. 05:42:14 Oh and just to clarify, what did you mean by the donation landing page? 05:43:50 Donatrions are just a form for PaypL. Which we can't easiluy work intop a full styliazed plage. A single actual lanfaing bage with hyst that foprm we can do. We do that onj PA;.c wioth our donation landing [ahe 05:43:56 (sorry typing issues) 05:44:18 Apparently... 05:44:44 So a link to his own page basically? 05:45:56 Yeah. Singe page on his site about how to donate and why. like httr://portableapps.com/donate 05:46:08 http://portableapps.com/donate 05:48:12 Ah, he has a donate page, just not one that explains why it's necessary. 05:48:26 The large paypal icon on the top right. 05:50:33 *** JohnTHaller1 (~JohnTHall@cpe-24-193-226-114.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 05:50:57 Updated the page so it no longer says "manage your finances". 05:51:27 MANAGE YOUR FINANCES that's brilliant. We should add that in! 05:51:49 Right... :P 05:52:01 Talk about adding bloat :P 05:52:58 Jacob how old are you? 05:53:10 18 why? 05:53:17 *** JohnTHaller has quit (Disconnected by services) 05:53:21 *** JohnTHaller1 is now known as JohnTHaller 05:53:37 judjing whether the room is 'so is your mom' approived. 05:53:52 ... 05:54:32 Ridiculuous humor. 'This clode is full of bugs' "So's your mom' 05:54:38 clode = code 05:55:42 I've never heard anyone call code clode... 05:55:45 :P 05:56:26 It was a typo, my friend. And I did take an Ambien to sleep. 05:56:39 Suddenly typing requires more attention. It's odd. 05:57:03 Better than Nappien... Makes you turn into a zomebie/homer 06:09:20 alright, gnight all 06:12:24 Night John 06:12:43 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 06:18:33 *** JacobMastel has quit (Quit: Leaving) 07:57:26 *** BeckySanderlin`x has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07:59:45 *** BeckySanderlin`x (~quassel@c-98-252-21-200.hsd1.de.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 09:54:49 *** BjornH (~BjornH@81-235-164-62-no21.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #portableapps 10:00:31 *** Guest18325 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 10:15:18 *** Guest18580 (~dbdii407-@aura.devnetonline.net) has joined #portableapps 10:58:20 *** BeckySanderlin`x has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 10:58:55 *** BeckySanderlin`x (~quassel@c-98-252-21-200.hsd1.de.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 12:37:33 *** z3uS has quit (*.net *.split) 12:41:04 *** Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-32-70-80.cust.tele2.at) has joined #portableapps 12:53:07 *** z3uS (~z3us@plzhalp.us) has joined #portableapps 13:32:18 *** Feliks 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14:56:22 yeah it was ok, just doing nothing for a change, as opposed to uni... 14:56:24 you? 14:56:47 nothing and everything all at once 14:57:22 basically working on PChat 2.0 but yet relaxing at the sametime by playing some games, visiting the family etc 14:59:11 got another account to report 15:04:29 They never act alone... 15:05:48 one thing I have noticed about the forum, is that if you edit a topic, it brings it to the top of the tracker, some forums don't do that so spammers try that... 15:17:24 *** spgSCOTT1 (~spg_SCOTT@5e040314.bb.sky.com) has joined #portableapps 15:19:49 *** spgSCOTT has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 15:21:38 *** Spellbreaker (~Spellbrea@hmbg-5f77f14d.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #portableapps 15:31:22 *** Thasmo has quit () 15:31:54 *** spgSCOTT1 has parted #portableapps (None) 16:20:19 *** Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-32-70-80.cust.tele2.at) has joined #portableapps 16:26:09 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 17:05:24 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Guest18580 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 21:16:55 *** gluxon (~gluxon@c-71-234-105-104.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 21:30:06 desu 22:06:15 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-24-193-226-114.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 22:12:25 *** Simeon (~simeon@dslb-092-075-233-197.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #portableapps 22:12:29 howdy John 22:12:34 hola 22:12:41 and howdy Simeon 22:12:49 Hi Zach and John! 22:12:54 hi Simeon 22:13:17 btw John http://portableapps.com/node/26109 something to take care of if you aren't currently in the process already 22:13:22 A happy new year to you both and congrats on the flood of releases John 22:14:05 Zach - the SPAM-eater :) Thanks for that btw! 22:14:44 well when you have the time :P 22:16:02 talking about time - maybe we (=the release team) should start working through the app list John releases most of his apps from... 22:16:31 yeah I've started some again 22:17:03 eventually though I'll have to stop for a little soon, in the process of looking for an apartment 22:17:47 cool - and take your time. you are no help if youre living in an apartment where it rains through the roof ;) 22:18:18 lol well this will be my first time looking for an apartment really :P 22:19:08 I know the feeling :) 22:23:42 *** marlop has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22:24:11 hey JohnTHaller, using Firefox 4 Portable (Test) and wondering if it's possible to force Firefox to use the plugin directory of the portable app and not the directory on the PC itself? 22:24:31 doesnt it use both? 22:24:42 *** marlop|away (marlop@gateway/shell/shellium.org/x-mvyeaejurxubcwby) has joined #portableapps 22:24:53 *** marlop|away is now known as marlop 22:25:03 Simeon, havent tried yet - maybe. :> 22:25:22 Just noticed it used all the firefox 3.6 plugins 22:25:38 It uses the PC's plugin directory as well. There is no way to change it. 22:25:45 i think it does - some plugins from the local PC are always imported. sadly 22:26:27 hm ok thx 22:27:20 You'll need to put in a feature request to Firefox to fix that. They don't seem interested, though. 22:28:21 JohnTHaller, they dont seem interested to make it fully portable, right? 22:28:47 They don't seem interested to add a switch to disable the plugins directory or properly manage it so other apps can't throw random stuff in it. 22:29:19 ah ok 22:29:26 thats a shame 22:29:59 Though Firefox Portable is extremely popular (and the world's most popular portable app) it 22:30:14 's still a bit under 1% of FF's users, so not a huge percentage 22:30:41 does it have its own user agent string? 22:31:11 Nope. Nor should it. 22:31:32 ye how you know then? 22:32:00 download %. last check we'd get about 1/100th as many downloads of FF in a given month 22:32:11 ah downloads. k k, thought usage. 22:32:27 usage numbers would only be for specific sites and pretty bogus anyway 22:32:47 gnight all 22:33:04 Nice "Days of App-Ness" to everyone :) 22:35:37 *** Simeon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 22:36:58 *** marlop has quit (*.net *.split) 22:38:42 *** marlop|away (marlop@gateway/shell/shellium.org/x-zsselowftfuzkaux) has joined #portableapps 22:39:04 *** marlop|away is now known as marlop 22:42:20 Are there many solutions for portable apps? Just fell over this one: http://www.pendriveapps.com/ 22:43:51 That one doesn't do any apps, it just lists apps from other places of VERY varying quality. 22:44:30 ah just saw think it links the portable firefox to your sf.net file 22:44:31 Most zipped portable apps aren't really portable (leave behind registry entries, temp files, settings in APPDATA, paths break as you move PCs so MRU/themes/settings break, etc() 22:44:43 Right. And it probably links to an old version. 22:44:49 seems so 22:45:16 Just baking some buns in the oven and was looking for a portable stopwatch/alarm clock. xD 22:45:50 Ah. I just use javascript ones online usually. 22:51:00 JohnTHaller, you know that one? http://liberkey.com/ 22:51:48 Oh yeah. Illegal site mostly. Used our software for well over a year stripping off our name, splash, the gpl, etc. Most of the apps they bundle they do without permission. Good chunk aren't fully portable. All closed source closed system. 22:55:55 doh alright 22:56:57 Artificially link their apps so they only work with their own platform. Encrypt their config files so you can't see what they do. Send who knows what as part of their updater. All run by one guy in France (making legal remedies difficult). 22:59:19 There are a couple other 'suite' sites, too. WinPenPack, primarily Italian, open source (though don't always get all the GPL stuff right), varying quality on portability. Higher false positives due to their coding language (AutoIT). Switching their platform to .NET meaning it won't work on most XP machines in public. 22:59:20 uh im happy that ive used pa.c right away then. 22:59:46 FramaKey which is mostly our stuff translated to French with the open source ASuite menu. Bit outdated. 23:00:15 JohnTHaller, whats the technology used by pa.c then if not .NET and AutoIT? 23:00:19 Lupo PenSuite. Mostly takes apps from PA.c and WinPenPack (some violating trademarks) and repacks it as his suite with ASuite as well. Some GPL violations, etc. 23:01:15 The platform is written in Delphi (will be Delphi XE with 2.0), which is Visual Pascal. Self-contained. No .NET. Unicode. Pretty nice language. We release it all as GPLed source. Does require an investment in the compiler if you want to play with it, though. 23:01:58 Our installers and launchers are written in NSIS Unicode. And installer language (ironically used for portable software) that's used by Mozilla, Oracle, IBM and many others. 23:02:02 Nah I'm no application programmer. :> 23:02:21 NSIS is fully open source under I think an MIT/BSD style license. Our bits are open source under the GPL. 23:02:44 Since when is pa.c running? 23:03:00 Personally, I think we're the only ones getting it all right. We're definitely the only ones operating fully legally. And we're more popular than all the others combined. 23:03:40 I started developing and releasing publicly in March 2004 with Portable Firefox, the first 'portable app' and coined the term. Site launcher in 2005. 23:03:50 launched, I mean 23:05:18 Yep read about the firefox portable story somewhere on pa.c. Has there been a major "breakthru" like when pa.c got "really" known? 23:06:20 We wound up on SlashDot and Digg on the same day. Took our server down hard. But I got a placeholder page up and links to download from SF. Other than that it's been a mostly slow steady build with lots of press. 23:06:38 Back when SlashDot and Digg were the drivers of traffic that is 23:07:46 interesting. althought its just weeks ago I cant remember how I found pa.c, maybe it was digg or I was in the need of something portable for the first time. :> 23:08:01 I remember when PortableApps.com came out :) 23:08:19 search google for just the word portable :) 23:08:50 or "usb app" 23:09:12 "usb software" also quite good 23:09:26 lol Chris Oliver aka excid3 and myself were reminising about the begining of PortableApps.com last week 23:09:35 heh 23:09:35 haha: google "software on a stick" 23:10:01 we're in the world's top 5000 sites most months. it's kinda insane 23:10:14 I can imagine 23:10:36 expensive hosting. getting moreso as we add more freeware (since we have to pay for the bandwidth) 23:10:49 wtf you even got "carry software around" covered with a forums thread or something 23:11:03 anyways I remember back when toucan before it got it's current name 23:11:26 We've done no search engine optimization or paid links. This is all organic due to popularity. 23:11:52 So glad I convinced Steve not to name it P.U.S.S. 23:12:02 lol I know what you mean 23:13:40 Portable USB Software S...ausage oO 23:14:03 Portable Update and Synce Suite or something like that. 23:14:33 something like that 23:14:47 Toucan works. And has netted him well over 1m downloads. 23:16:05 PChat is getting there :P 23:16:24 Oh it'll just keep growing. Specially with 2.0. I think you'll eventually surpass X-Chat on WIndows. 23:16:38 already 1 month of 1.4 desktop version has netted me over 400 downloads, the Portable Version is probably getting more downloads 23:17:18 ZachThibeau, youre the author of toucan? 23:17:22 nope 23:17:23 or pchat? 23:17:29 I am of PChat though 23:17:30 or mozilla.org? jk :> 23:17:32 k k 23:18:28 JohnTHaller: Steve is currently looking at 2.0 for me since he's a pro with wxwidgets and going to suggest a few things to make it even better 23:19:12 Yeah, I'm gonna need to pick his brain about wxwidgets at some point 23:19:55 be nice to reimpliment your nsis based backup tools with wxwidgets/c++ 23:20:08 That'll probably go delphi honestly. 23:20:49 either way be better than using nsis for the backup tools and could provide possible some better options 23:25:27 JohnTHaller, are there plans or ideas or suggestions for making an IDE like NetBeans etc. portable? 23:25:50 You'll find Eclipse in the beta forums. Should be released this month. 23:26:15 http://portableapps.com/node/22236 23:26:18 thx 23:26:21 JohnTHaller: Seriously? :) 23:26:32 Yeah. Why not? :) 23:26:42 Gotta find SOMETHING to release every day right? 23:26:50 lol :P 23:27:03 xD 23:27:09 We do need to figure out how to handle it with updates, though... especially with all the editions and the updater. Any thoughts? 23:27:22 (gluxon is the one who packaged Eclipse, btw) 23:27:47 Well, we always have an app to pull from here if we don't have something planned -> http://portableapps.com/node/26055 :P 23:27:53 We've just been waiting on the Java finalization with Oracle to get it out, since it uses Java. I'm pretty hopeful it'll be the next few weeks. 23:28:09 I know, Pyromaniac has been going nuts./ 23:28:13 I found pa.c in december and thought "oh man theyre releasing an app like every day, thats so cool" and wasnt aware of this 31-days of portable appness. xD So im kinda used to this releasemania :> 23:28:38 *** JacobMastel (~Jacob@174-22-15-154.eugn.qwest.net) has joined #portableapps 23:28:40 I decided to keep doing it since everybody loved it. And donations have gone up (which help with the hosting) as a result, too. 23:28:46 Today, Spybot is coming out. 23:28:56 :D 23:29:31 JohnTHaller, winamp portable tomorrow? :> 23:29:48 We're actually in their distributor program, so at some point, yes. 23:29:57 cool 23:30:09 It needs some updates before going final, though. 23:30:56 so you communicate with many of the owners of the applications to be able to "portablize" then? 23:31:54 when it comes to freeware stuff we usually obtain permission from the original author first 23:32:17 Yup. We get permission to repackage from freeware publishers like SpyBot, SpyDLLRemover, Canabalt, IcoFX, IrfanView, XNView, Opera, Mozilla, Foxit, FreeCOmmander, 2X, TeamViewer, etc 23:32:40 I see. Cool. 23:33:13 Did I already ask about CCleaner? That's from piriform. 23:33:22 We're under license with Mozilla to package Firefox portably. The only ones able to make a downloadable portable version of FIrefox, actually. Just signed the license with Opera recently, too, which is why we have that now. 23:33:45 awesome 23:33:49 We're working with Piriform still. They wanted to see how our updater was going to work before we finalized. So I owe them an email. 23:34:30 Great, nice - uh, I see all's going well I don't needa worry. xDD 23:34:35 Other people like Christophe (the LiberKey guy) just repackaged without permission hoping he wouldn't get cease and desisted. 23:34:46 *** Lanse (~lanse@64-148-59-227.adsl.snet.net) has joined #portableapps 23:35:08 hello statbot 23:35:21 Personally, I think asking permission, rather than forgiveness, makes for a better relationship (and business model). 23:35:40 Generally more profitable too :) 23:35:41 sure 23:36:33 We couldn't get away with doing anything illegal anyway due to our visibility and popularity. 23:36:40 Not that I'd want to. 23:37:17 JohnTHaller, well ofc it's better this way - solid base. 23:37:18 *** Lanse is now known as Lanse|away 23:37:44 *** Lanse|away is now known as Lanse|oops 23:37:52 *** Lanse|oops is now known as Lanse|busy 23:38:15 Yeah. We've been around for 6 years as a result and will be around for quite a while longer. 23:38:55 Not sure about userbase, but somewhere around 5m or so. Tough to tell with all the redistribution on magazine cover CDs, download sites, personal sharing, etc. 23:40:22 *** JacobMastel has quit (Quit: Leaving) 23:42:30 JohnTHaller: Is that Firefox bug (switch for searching for local plugins) reported in bugzilla? 23:42:41 what bug 23:43:52 (05:28:47 PM) JohnTHaller: They don't seem interested to add a switch to disable the plugins directory or properly manage it so other apps can't throw random stuff in it. 23:44:15 thats not a bug I guess, but a feature request? 23:44:57 Features are reported in Bugzilla with bugs. 23:45:52 uh ye sry, dunno. 23:46:01 I don't know if it is in there. It was a feeling on got in relation to recent reporting on plugin security in FF and some responses. We should probably officially request it as a feature as some other devs may deem it important.