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05:23:19 <Kiriko> Hi guys! :)
05:23:24 <JohnTHaller> hola
05:24:05 <Kiriko> Hey are you ready for that new starm we are getting?
05:24:16 <JohnTHaller> ice storm?
05:24:21 <Kiriko> Storm*
05:24:30 <Kiriko> yea ice and snow
05:25:50 <JohnTHaller> yeah, not sure how bad it'll be
05:27:29 <Kiriko> JohnThaller: this is what we need! xP http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=359507.0
05:27:49 <JohnTHaller> heh
05:28:10 <Kiriko> hey it will melt the snow alot faster
05:29:32 <Kiriko> this is the forcast we are getting http://media2.wwlp.com/weather/7Day_fim.JPG
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06:05:23 <JohnTHaller> and now is the only tim the site should be offline per day now
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06:11:59 <Kiriko> sites back up
06:16:42 <Kiriko> who is interested in build a death-ray http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtzRAjW6KO0&feature=player_embedded
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11:09:08 <pa_5904> hello
11:10:00 <pa_5904> tell me can these portableapps run on any smartphone?
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11:12:14 <dreamboy> hello does anyone live here?
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14:20:18 <pa_4445> Where is the 2.0 final?
14:20:25 <pa_4445> isn't today the day?
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16:40:46 <WifiWombat> morning all
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16:41:10 <OliverK> JohnTHaller: I've a question for you on the installer, if you have a second
16:44:42 <JohnTHaller> Can you give me about 5 mins?  I'm finishing a long site status update.
16:44:49 <OliverK> sure
17:11:24 <JohnTHaller> Ok, so this is the biggest status update ever
17:11:42 <OliverK> I'll certainly be happy to see it
17:12:22 <JohnTHaller> I'm adding in targets and jumps to the sections for readability
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17:13:29 <OliverK> hmm
17:13:40 <OliverK> gonna have some real fun with NSIS now
17:19:39 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/blogs/johnhaller/2011-02-01_status_update
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17:23:14 <JohnTHaller> Ok, OliverK, what did you need in terms of the installer?
17:23:22 <OliverK> I got it now
17:23:31 <JohnTHaller> Ah cool.  WHat was it?  Some custom code?
17:23:35 <OliverK> i'm using some custom code in the installed to handle it
17:23:42 <OliverK> well, i'm changing the way GTK is done on Geany
17:23:47 <OliverK> I'm not slicing it out anymore
17:23:53 <OliverK> not enough returns in my opinion
17:23:55 <OliverK> and I'm lazy
17:23:56 <JohnTHaller> Ah, so more the GIMP approach
17:24:19 <OliverK> Yeah.  It will merge it closer to what the Geany Devs have been doing for awhile
17:24:25 <JohnTHaller> How does Geany local handle it?   I figured they'd just bundle it now as everyone else does
17:24:29 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok
17:24:33 <OliverK> however, this means I need to move GTK settings, so . . .
17:24:46 <OliverK> yup, I'm actually writing some code again which is good
17:26:31 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok.  Right and it's best to do that in the installer.  If you didn't know, you can use LogicLib and VersionCompare in installer custom code now.
17:27:42 <OliverK> i'm using logiclib, but I didn't know about versioncompare
17:28:02 <OliverK> that will be better the replacing all the . in the version string with nothing I think :)
17:28:23 <JohnTHaller> Actually, lemme check, that may be in 2.0.9 which isn't out yet.
17:28:32 <OliverK> :/
17:33:03 <JohnTHaller> Yup, you can :)
17:33:12 <OliverK> cool
17:34:38 <JohnTHaller> I was pretty sure I'd double-checked as the installer itself doesn't use it but does include WordFunc and it should automatically include the macro if it's anywhere in the code (including custom)
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17:37:51 <OliverK|Away> I've got to go warm up
17:38:00 <JohnTHaller> warm up?
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17:43:47 <pa_1930> hi
17:43:49 <pa_1930> everyone
17:43:51 <JohnTHaller> hola
17:43:56 <pa_1930> i have i question
17:44:02 <pa_1930> about the portable usb
17:44:25 <JohnTHaller> sure
17:45:06 <pa_1930> for example i cant run some executables on my university's computers
17:45:39 <JohnTHaller> In tightly locked-down computers, some or all portable software can fail to function.
17:45:55 <pa_1930> so it is not a guarantuee
17:46:00 <pa_1930> to use it
17:46:00 <JohnTHaller> They may also implement per-EXE blocking.  Some places do that and specifically block firefox.exe for example.
17:46:35 <pa_1930> if it is possible to use the portable usb
17:46:52 <pa_1930> is it still then possible to use every executable to run with portable usb?
17:46:58 <JohnTHaller> Right.  Some places you can't run anything at all, but those are relatively rare.
17:49:00 <pa_1930> can i use exe which uses registry entries on a computer to use it with portable usb?
17:49:21 <JohnTHaller> Some places will specifically block registry entries, so on those PCs, you can not
17:50:03 <pa_1930> what does the porto usb do? just execute the exe inside the porto usb?
17:50:46 <JohnTHaller> You mean a portable launcher like FirefoxPortble.exe?  It varies.  Some handle registry entries, some move files around but ultimately, they all launch the actual app.
17:51:03 <JohnTHaller> If a PC is sufficiently locked down, though, there is no way to run some apps.
17:51:28 <pa_1930> oke
17:52:02 <pa_1930> so the portp usb is only usable when a computer is not locked
17:52:11 <pa_1930> or secured for installation of fiels
17:52:13 <pa_1930> files
17:53:02 <JohnTHaller> As I said, it depends.  Some PCs are partially locked.  Some only prevent registry stuff (so FIrefox would work).  Some specifically block some EXEs (so Firefox may fail but Opera may work).  Some block everything.
17:53:41 <pa_1930> so how do i use the porto usb then? i want to install a program
17:54:14 <JohnTHaller> If you're on a computer that is fully locked down, you can't.  And there is no way around that.  Nor would you want to find one as doing so could get your computer privs taken away at most unis.
17:54:43 <pa_1930> oke thank you, but how does it work in short?
17:54:57 <JohnTHaller> I'm not sure what you mean.
17:55:08 <TPFC-SYSTEM> BTW: When I want to bypass restrictions, I reboot the computer into Linux. 8-)
17:55:39 <pa_1930> the portable usb
17:55:43 <pa_1930> how does it work
17:56:04 <JohnTHaller> pa_1930: You install software to the flash drive and run it on a PC (that isn't configured to lock you out).
17:56:23 <pa_1930> ok
17:56:34 <pa_1930> and how can i add my own exe files?
17:56:42 <pa_1930> to run inside
17:56:51 <JohnTHaller> TPFC-SYSTEM: That's not a very good solution for most users as many PCs lockout USB booting, networking will often not work (logins and such) and you won't have access to local files in many instances.
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17:57:20 <JohnTHaller> pa_1930: This explains it: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_app
17:58:20 <TPFC-SYSTEM> John: Works for me (tm). :)
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18:17:43 <WifiWombat> is there anykind of logging built into the installers JohnTHaller?
18:19:15 <JohnTHaller> Nope
18:19:21 <WifiWombat> darn
18:19:27 <JohnTHaller> What are you trying to solve?
18:19:41 <WifiWombat> ah, I can't figure out if this code is working or not
18:19:51 <JohnTHaller> WHat are you tryuing to do?
18:20:38 <WifiWombat> http://oliverkrystal.pastebin.com/XH8i4LGD
18:21:23 <JohnTHaller> Throw a MessageBox MB_OK "whatever you want" in there temporariliy.
18:21:30 <WifiWombat> if we're updating from something older then 0.20.0.0 then we need to rename the gtk items i want to preserver
18:21:38 <WifiWombat> yeah, that might work better
18:21:39 <JohnTHaller> And you can't expect a $9 to stil be available in post.
18:21:44 <WifiWombat> :/
18:21:47 <WifiWombat> alright
18:21:56 <JohnTHaller> Each section is self-contained.  So you could do it all there
18:22:07 <WifiWombat> gonna have to
18:22:16 <WifiWombat> but the installer doesn't like this GTK stuff
18:22:18 <WifiWombat> ugh
18:22:31 <WifiWombat> I've got it
18:22:33 <WifiWombat> hehee
18:22:38 <JohnTHaller> why hehe?
18:23:40 <WifiWombat> i've solved my problem :)
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18:27:03 <WifiWombat> try this: http://oliverkrystal.pastebin.com/1UXszXZf
18:27:24 <WifiWombat> because its going to do a compare in the post install, so it has to have the version info available to work with
18:27:30 <JohnTHaller> Why don't you just handle it all in Pre?
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18:28:14 <JohnTHaller> What are you trying to accomplish exactly?
18:29:05 <WifiWombat> move GTK themes around
18:29:10 <WifiWombat> they get wiped out
18:29:11 <JohnTHaller> IE, why not just Rename "$INSTDIR\App\GTK\share\themes" "$INSTDIR\App\Geany\share\themes" and have installer.ini set to preserve it?
18:29:46 <WifiWombat> i had some logical reason for doing it this way . . . . though I don't recall it
18:29:51 <WifiWombat> oh
18:29:54 <JohnTHaller> heh, I love when that happens
18:29:59 <WifiWombat> because I'm just trashing the app directory
18:30:03 <WifiWombat> entirely
18:30:09 <WifiWombat> and this method seemed easier at the time
18:30:37 <WifiWombat> otherwise, I'd have to have some really messy handling for all the GTK
18:30:45 <WifiWombat> like I said, seemed easier
18:30:46 <JohnTHaller> You're gonna be preserving that directory anyway right?  (for example if a user reinstalls the current version)
18:30:57 <WifiWombat> uhm
18:30:59 <WifiWombat> huh
18:31:11 <WifiWombat> yeah, I will need to
18:31:32 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, your preserving method is basically what installer.ini does anyway.  SO have it rename on Pre and just set it as preserved in installer.ini and you're done (with the themes dir anyway)
18:32:39 <WifiWombat> huh
18:32:51 <WifiWombat> yeah, actually it might make a few things easier
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18:33:05 <WifiWombat> gosh, this was supposed to be simple in everythin
18:33:09 <WifiWombat> and it isn't :/
18:33:13 <WifiWombat> I need to go eat lunch
18:33:32 <WifiWombat> laters foks (i will lose internet when I put laptop into standby :/
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18:45:50 <pa_9318> Hi, I am trying to update Teamviewer using the portable apps updater on 2.0 beta 5, and it is not working correctly.
18:46:06 <JohnTHaller> What's happening?
18:47:11 <pa_9318> when i click next and try to update it gives me an error message saying "The downloaded copy of TeamViewer Portable is not valid and can not be installed. This could be due to an incomplete download or other network issues. Please try running the updater again when complete."
18:47:44 <pa_9318> the updater updated about 3 other apps I had with no issues, it's just with the teamviewer that won't update
18:49:17 <JohnTHaller> Ok, give me a minute.
18:49:31 <pa_9318> alright, no problem
18:49:39 <pa_9318> let me check to see my current version
18:50:13 <pa_9318> My current TeamViewer portable version is 6.0.9947
18:52:00 <JohnTHaller> It should work now
18:52:11 <pa_9318> alright let me try it
18:52:22 <JohnTHaller> TeamViewer updated the file without notifying us to update our updater database.
18:52:51 <pa_9318> oh i see
18:52:56 <pa_9318> yes it works perfectly now
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18:53:03 <JohnTHaller> Great
18:53:09 <pa_9318> thank you so much for the help!
18:53:15 <Gizmokid2005> OH JohnTHaller, that reminds me
18:53:30 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing.  Our system is designed to do that to ensure that a file isn't corrupted or infected with something after we've scanned it.
18:53:37 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: What's up?
18:54:06 <Gizmokid2005> you need to get with TeamViewer about the license that we have vs what they have.
18:54:21 <JohnTHaller> What do you mean?  They package  the file themselves
18:54:43 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: http://support.teamviewer.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=213&nav=0,14
18:54:51 <Gizmokid2005> and on our site you have education listed as free
18:55:10 <Gizmokid2005> we had a user come in the other day who said they talked to TV themselves and they stated that education is not considered free use.
18:55:24 <JohnTHaller> I know. I changed it on our site
18:55:39 <Gizmokid2005> ahh, alrighty. Wasn't sure if you were notified and that reminded me
18:55:45 <JohnTHaller> "License: Freeware for personal use, business or office use requires a license"
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18:56:36 <Gizmokid2005> I think that's a bit crappy on their part, but...
18:59:06 <JohnTHaller> It's their software, so it's their rules.
18:59:28 <Gizmokid2005> Yeah I know.
18:59:32 <Gizmokid2005> doesn't make it any less crappy though
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19:07:50 <Simeon> hi all hi John
19:07:58 <JohnTHaller> hola
19:08:12 <Simeon> nice - I can use my nick through the web chat :)
19:08:38 <Simeon> Nice work on the looooong status update John!
19:09:11 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: http://twitter.com/sfnet_ops/statuses/32515551494410240
19:09:12 <Gizmokid2005> :D
19:09:36 <Simeon> jipeeeee!!! :)
19:12:06 <JohnTHaller> Looks like SFTP is up and my new pwd works.
19:14:01 <Simeon> great
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19:14:45 <WifiWombat> sourceforge's FRS is back online :)
19:16:36 <Simeon> gizmo was faster :)
19:17:06 <Simeon> bye guys - have a good release-night ;)!
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19:23:35 <WifiWombat> the installer is misbehaving
19:23:42 <JohnTHaller> howso
19:28:25 <WifiWombat> it keeps tracing the gtk stuff
19:28:30 <WifiWombat> i don't get it
19:28:33 <JohnTHaller> tracing?
19:28:45 <WifiWombat> err, deleteing
19:28:57 <WifiWombat> trashing
19:29:06 <WifiWombat> gosh, I can't talk and I can't type.  Sorry
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19:30:27 <WifiWombat> it did it again
19:30:40 <WifiWombat> I have it set to preserve the GTK directories, but it doesn't seem to
19:31:00 <JohnTHaller> post your installer.ini and your installercustom.nsh
19:31:05 <WifiWombat> k
19:31:40 <WifiWombat> INI: http://oliverkrystal.pastebin.com/nnxy2E6C
19:32:13 <WifiWombat> custom: http://oliverkrystal.pastebin.com/evpTUDGa
19:32:32 <WifiWombat> I think this may have been another reason, but it doesn't make sense
19:32:57 <JohnTHaller> Did you double check with a messagebox that the renames in pre are being hit?
19:34:14 <WifiWombat> no, I have not
19:34:17 <WifiWombat> I will confirm that
19:34:38 <WifiWombat> but, honestly, I wouldn't be suprised if it is not that
19:34:44 <WifiWombat> i've had this issue with previous version
19:34:46 <WifiWombat> versions
19:34:57 <JohnTHaller> I don't know if VersionCompare wil have an issue with the output var used as an input or not
19:35:03 <WifiWombat> k
19:36:50 <JohnTHaller> Still unable to update Juice Portable and get it to mirror :(
19:37:08 <WifiWombat> the frs.sourceforge.net is out still
19:37:13 <WifiWombat> well, it was when I checked
19:37:18 <WifiWombat> its a slow recovery :/
19:37:32 <JohnTHaller> It's up now actually.
19:37:36 <WifiWombat> cool
19:37:49 <JohnTHaller> But I've been trying to update the file for 30 minutes when it came up and it won't update.
19:38:13 <JohnTHaller> It'll update via SFTP but the complete file won't even make it to master.sf
19:38:19 <WifiWombat> i keep closing my VM
19:38:23 <WifiWombat> huh
19:39:26 <WifiWombat> it handles it just fine
19:39:34 <WifiWombat> the version compare plugin
19:39:39 <JohnTHaller> hmm
19:39:43 <WifiWombat> but it did it with previous versions as well
19:40:00 <JohnTHaller> throw a messagebox after and then manually check that the dirs are renamed while the messagebox is showing
19:40:17 <WifiWombat> they get deleted or something
19:40:30 <WifiWombat> because I had this problem with 0.19.x
19:41:24 <WifiWombat> generating the new version
19:41:43 <WifiWombat> next up is to just redo the wiping in custom code :/
19:44:04 <WifiWombat> huh
19:44:45 <JohnTHaller> now
19:44:45 <JohnTHaller> ?
19:45:09 <WifiWombat> can't rename a folder for one
19:46:32 <JohnTHaller> Does that other folder exist?  That's the only thing that should prevent it
19:47:19 <JohnTHaller> It just flipped over once I updated the file itself (just re-signed it so it has a new MD5/SHA1).  But SF is completely overloaded (20K download speeds).
19:55:08 <WifiWombat> sorry
19:55:16 <WifiWombat> sister started screaming, had to helop
19:55:19 <WifiWombat> help*
19:56:36 <WifiWombat> no, the folder shouldn't exist
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19:56:47 <WifiWombat> i think I might just custom code the whole thing
19:56:58 <WifiWombat> be easier for m
19:56:59 <WifiWombat> me*
19:57:29 <JohnTHaller> Oh wait.  You need to create the containing directories if they don't exist.
19:57:45 <JohnTHaller> IE CreateDirectory $INSTDIR\App\Geany\Share just before Rename "$INSTDIR\App\GTK\share\themes" "$INSTDIR\App\Geany\Share\themes"
19:58:20 <JohnTHaller> Rename will rename an individual thing (file or directory) but it won't recreate a directory structure to put it in.
19:58:23 <WifiWombat> you can't rename folders though
19:58:33 <WifiWombat> okay . .
19:58:35 <JohnTHaller> You can.  I do it all the time.
19:59:04 <WifiWombat> okay, then
19:59:26 <JohnTHaller> But it will fail if the immediate parent of what you are renaming it to doesn't exist.  Similar will occur if you rename a file and the directory you are trying to move it to doesn't exist.
20:00:03 <WifiWombat> okay
20:00:12 <WifiWombat> i miss the macro recording in notepad++
20:00:22 <WifiWombat> most of the time is isn't a big deal
20:07:07 <WifiWombat> it is still misbhaving
20:07:12 <WifiWombat> I shall custom code this
20:08:08 <JohnTHaller> misbehaving how?  can I see your current custom code?
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20:08:26 <WifiWombat> it is not my custom code
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20:08:38 <WifiWombat> i have had this problem before with previous versions
20:08:56 <JohnTHaller> the installer has no known bugs that would affect this, so what is the issue?
20:09:48 <WifiWombat> i don't know
20:10:04 <WifiWombat> all I know is, if you have a custom GTK theme, the installer wipes it out
20:10:13 <WifiWombat> it has done this since the initial release
20:10:19 <WifiWombat> and it has done it since
20:11:02 <JohnTHaller> Ah I think I know why
20:11:44 <WifiWombat> custom code time
20:11:51 <JohnTHaller> Preserve only preserves files from being wiped out by directives in the installer.  It does not preserve them from being overwritten by files contained in the installer itself.  So if in the install you have that same file existing in the same location as the one about to be written by the installer, kiss it goodbye.
20:12:39 <JohnTHaller> The solution is to treat the theme as Data and move it back and forth to data.  I do this for Pidgin.  Then it works right, is properly backed up and will show up properly for new users (DefaultData)
20:13:13 <WifiWombat> then i'm moving the gtk engines as well
20:13:26 <WifiWombat> :(
20:13:28 <JohnTHaller> No
20:13:46 <JohnTHaller> Because those don't get changed.  And it's fine to overwrite the standard ones with the new standard ones on an upgrade.
20:14:01 <JohnTHaller> You preserve that directory as the engines are essentially 'plugins'
20:14:23 <JohnTHaller> but the gtkrc file is user data since it contains settings.  Check Pidgin's settings.  It does all of this already.
20:14:57 * WifiWombat thinks
20:15:00 <JohnTHaller> The theme/engine directories would be set to preserve.  The launcher moves the gtkrc between app and datas.
20:15:15 <JohnTHaller> And the defaultr gtkrc is placed in DefaultData for new users.
20:15:54 <WifiWombat> but i'm still going to have to do some of the hokey-pokey this time around
20:16:09 <WifiWombat> and I usually wipe the app directory anyway :/
20:16:14 * WifiWombat thinks more
20:16:38 <JohnTHaller> Yes, because you are altering your directory structure of the app itself.  But it's just a matter of moving the stuff you need to preserve.  In this case, you've move gtkrc to Data
20:16:46 <JohnTHaller> And update your launcher to move it back and forth
20:17:19 <JohnTHaller> Move the engines as well from old to new path (so you get any they added) and set them to preserve.
20:20:14 <JohnTHaller> Hmm 40 minutes and still not mirroring on SF
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20:21:15 <OliverK> not that that will get my clone from the server
20:21:20 <OliverK> sorry, my laptop battery ran out
20:21:26 <OliverK> need to get a balnket
20:22:33 <OliverK> k, back
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22:11:54 <Simeon> hi all
22:12:12 <Simeon> Are you here John?
22:13:06 <JohnTHaller> ya
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22:13:50 <Simeon> Do you know a solution to this:http://portableapps.com/news/2011-01-27_-_libreoffice_portable_3.3_released#comment-169486
22:14:23 <JohnTHaller> Turn off language switching in the platform temporariliy.
22:14:29 <Simeon> Sorry to point your attention to that like this but I think its importand and I didnt know if you would have seen the post otherwise.
22:14:32 <JohnTHaller> In the next release, you'll be able to disable per-app
22:15:23 <Simeon> but isnt it still bad for the end-user if the app doesnt support the langt he has the platform set to?
22:15:51 <Simeon> does the launcher fall back to english?
22:16:06 <JohnTHaller> In those situations, most people will fall back to English.
22:19:51 <Simeon> whats the line for lang disable? cant find it in the beta 5 topic...
22:20:25 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#advanced
22:20:48 <Simeon> Thanks a ton John
22:20:53 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing
22:21:37 <JohnTHaller> Maybe I could allow the platform to set a custom language for certain apps.
22:21:43 <Simeon> reply posted
22:22:39 <Simeon> you mean an ini line "Libreofficelang=Klingon"?
22:23:30 <JohnTHaller> No, I mean right in the interface.  Right-click, Language, Disable Language Switching and then Set Custom Language and pick one.
22:24:29 <Simeon> ok
22:24:58 <Simeon> its tricky to think of a solution that is universal
22:25:26 <sar3th> hey john, i just read the annoncement; i thought that the 1.x branch was supposed to be ansi? will 1.6.1 now be the last ansi version of the platform?
22:25:31 <Simeon> I thought about settings the launcher to ignore tha platform lang but that wouldne work for those who want it.
22:26:24 <JohnTHaller> 1.6.1 has always been the last ANSI version.
22:26:33 <JohnTHaller> It was officially dead when we announced it.
22:26:46 <JohnTHaller> Simeon: Right
22:27:23 <Simeon> and we cant do a custom fallback that works for everyone :) :(
22:29:19 <Simeon> its sad some people have to learn about backups the hard way (http://portableapps.com/node/26539)
22:29:42 <sar3th> okay, thanks for clarification :)
22:30:08 <JohnTHaller> sar3th: None of the apps work on Win9x anymore anyway.
22:30:31 <JohnTHaller> Nor does the PA.c Installer or Launcher for that matter
22:30:54 <sar3th> yes, i was never questioning why you'd want to move away from ansi, i just misunderstood
22:31:37 <Simeon> sf.net is at ~40 kb download speed :( havent had it that slow ever!
22:31:48 <JohnTHaller> FOr what app?
22:31:54 <sar3th> Simeon, it's called SLOWforge for a reason ;D
22:32:03 <Simeon> hahahah sareth
22:32:07 <JohnTHaller> Only NZ, JP, TW, CZ and DE mirrors seem running
22:32:08 <sar3th> try the OVH mirror, that one usually works pretty well for me
22:32:11 <Simeon> i just tried it with Stellarium portable
22:32:18 <JohnTHaller> I regularly get close to 1gb/s downloads
22:32:35 <Simeon> i had the puzzle mirror
22:32:58 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I do believe you mean 1mb/s
22:33:05 <Simeon> i dunno how my speed limit is here - my best was 1.3 mb/s
22:33:09 <JohnTHaller> yes :)
22:33:17 <Simeon> ah
22:33:42 <Simeon> i was getting worried about what your upload speed was if you had 1 gb down ;)
22:34:15 <JohnTHaller> I have a 50M/5M connection now.
22:34:46 <Gizmokid2005> If I wanted to spend $100/mo I could get a 60Mx5M
22:35:01 <Simeon> @JOhn the page is really better=more responsive now. I never looked at the stats anyway...Was it just "25634 users are looking at this forum"-like?
22:35:47 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, except once it hit like 6,000 users we'd get server overloads since all those users were creating sessions in the database
22:35:55 <Simeon> ah
22:35:59 <Simeon> thought so
22:36:00 * JohnTHaller is spending $100/mo :(
22:36:38 <Simeon> wow
22:36:43 <ZachThibeau> ouch
22:37:04 <Gizmokid2005> I pay $65/mo for my 30M/3M right now, and that's not enough of an increase for me to pay that much more
22:37:36 <Simeon> it would be fun to see a history of the app page changing over time...or a statistic with the released apps over time.
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22:38:42 <ZachThibeau> I could pay $80 for a 90MB/s with a 20MB/s upload and I thought that was expensive o_o
22:39:23 <Simeon> with this I am now leaving you guys - I hope you have a nice time waiting for everyone else to be fulfilling their sf.net-needs until the world will become a little bit more porteble :) Gnight!
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22:40:23 <JohnTHaller> I'd love 20 up.  5 is ok, though.  I suffered with 512k and uploading 7 packages of OpenOffice.org Portable per release.
22:40:45 <Simeon> ouch
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23:33:19 <JohnTHaller> Firefox 4 Beta 10 is available for download again: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-02-01_-_firefox_portable_4.0_beta_10_released
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