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00:20:12 <DannyMuniz> hey i love that new game, that is going to keep me bussy for some time
00:20:14 <DannyMuniz> :)
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01:45:27 <bewkard> hi, i am trying to install thunderbird with the latest enigmail addon.  the problem is that tb is version 3.0.8 and the latest enigmail addon requires 3.1+  any suggestions?
01:45:50 <JohnTHaller> Upgrade to Thunderbird 3.1.9
01:48:15 <bewkard> from what I can see, that version doesn't have GPG installed/integrated with it.
01:48:43 <JohnTHaller> Neither version does.  You install it yourself.  Distributing Thunderbird with Enigmail or GPG pre-installed is not legal.
01:49:10 <bewkard> oh, i missed that somewhere.
01:49:24 <JohnTHaller> Here's the details: http://portableapps.com/support/thunderbird_portable#encryption
01:49:39 <bewkard> I thought that there was a link to a tb+gpg on the portableapps support page.
01:49:47 <JohnTHaller> I just pasted it
01:50:26 <JohnTHaller> We'
01:50:33 <bewkard> Ah, I think that I missed something.  I will  do some reading.  Will you be here for ~20 min John?
01:50:38 <JohnTHaller> We've never distributed it pre-installed.  It's a violation of Mozilla's licensing
01:51:21 <JohnTHaller> Probably.  I'll be in and out a bit as I'm coding and finishing the Firefox 4.0 RC 1 release.
01:51:27 <bewkard> I thought that that link was tb with gpg integrated.  I obviously missed something.  I will be back
01:54:28 <JohnTHaller> Firefox 4.0 RC 1 is up: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-03-09_-_firefox_portable_4.0_rc_1_released
01:55:00 <DannyMuniz> JohnTHaller: do you know if BlenderPortable is going to be updated soon?
01:55:33 <JohnTHaller> It is up to date
01:56:05 <DannyMuniz> 2.5 is out and 2.6 will be out soon
01:56:19 <JohnTHaller> No.  2.5.x is a beta and not recommended for daily usage.
01:56:41 <JohnTHaller> 2.49b is the current stable release and the one recommended for regular users (non-testers) on their download page
01:56:51 <DannyMuniz> yea there are going to come out with 2.6 and skip 2.5
01:57:17 <JohnTHaller> No.  2.5.x is the 'beta' branch.  Once it is stable, it is released as 2.6.  They alternate like other apps do (AbiWord, etc)
01:57:38 <DannyMuniz> i was just talking to one of the developers
01:57:42 <JohnTHaller> It's kinda confusing but several open source apps do it that way
01:57:58 <JohnTHaller> Did they say when 2.6 is gonna drop?
01:58:34 <DannyMuniz> "
01:58:34 <DannyMuniz> <EOF-sensei> 2.4x is going to be old :D
01:58:34 <DannyMuniz> <EOF-sensei> I'll love it when we drop the beta tag and release 2.6
01:58:34 <DannyMuniz> <EOF-sensei> the stable relase of the changes in 2.5
01:58:34 <DannyMuniz> <EOF-sensei> DannyMuniz: yeah, 2.5 is a lot better than 2.4x
01:58:35 <DannyMuniz> <EOF-sensei> and  the majority of professional usage is now with 2.5
01:58:37 <DannyMuniz> <EOF-sensei> lemme see if I could pack you a recent revision as a portable app"
01:59:46 <JohnTHaller> You may be able to drop the current version into the current Blender Portable package
02:00:08 <DannyMuniz> cool
02:00:10 <JohnTHaller> Be nice if we can get them to build the PA.c Format packages in their release system and make them available
02:00:43 <DannyMuniz> i could as him
02:00:56 <JohnTHaller> Sure :)
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02:15:47 <bewkard> @JohnTHaller  thanks for your help.  The short conversation that we had pointed out my mistake.  I have it working now.
02:16:03 <JohnTHaller> Glad to hear, bewkard.  Anything else we can help with?
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02:17:40 <bewkard> Not at this time.  Thanks for all of the work that you guys have put into the apps.  I find them to be very useful.  I've been "leaching" them.  I should be able to spare a few bucks from next paycheck  ;)
02:18:15 <JohnTHaller> You're welcome bewkard :)
02:19:22 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: Just started PChat 1.4 for the first time... what's with these UFOs with stars on them?  Channel operators come from outer space? ;-)
02:19:34 <bewkard> Thanks, have a good evening/day
02:19:38 <JohnTHaller> You too
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02:20:04 <JohnTHaller> how goes it ChrisMorgan?
02:20:19 <ChrisMorgan> Isn't it marvellous... due to the way the Monash IT system is set up, you could easily pinpoint me; Clayton campus, building 19, room 105 on computer 9.
02:20:28 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: fine
02:20:55 <DannyMuniz> JohnTHaller: the developer of blender says that he is going to make it portable and avelable in there site, so lets hope that works
02:21:15 <JohnTHaller> As a PAF or just as a Zip?
02:21:21 <DannyMuniz> one sec
02:21:31 <JohnTHaller> What room are you chatting with him in anyway?
02:21:51 <JohnTHaller> Obviously, we'd hope for a PA.c Format release: http://portableapps.com/about/what_is_a_portable_app#whypaf
02:22:04 <DannyMuniz> lol well he is in #anime
02:22:09 <JohnTHaller> hah
02:22:14 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I'd like your opinion on Inkscape.  0.48.1-1 was built and I produced the portable version; then an issue was found with one of the libraries it used which made a couple of undesirable things happen (icons disappear from the layers panel) so the devlibs were changed and 0.48.1-2 was built.  Then 0.48.1 was officially released.  What do you think I should do about the portable version - 0.48.1, 0.48.1.1 or 0.48.1 Rev 2?
02:22:22 <DannyMuniz> and the name is EOF-sensei
02:22:50 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: What do they call it on the InkScape site?
02:23:12 <ChrisMorgan> It's just called 0.48.1, it is purely a rebuild of it.
02:23:45 <JohnTHaller> Did you already push out a PAF anywhere with 0.48.1 as the version number?
02:23:55 <JohnTHaller> DannyMuniz: Want to ask if he'd like to chat with us here or via PM?
02:24:09 <DannyMuniz> yea sure
02:24:29 <ChrisMorgan> There are 1211 downloads of the portable build I made (compare to 166,660 of the normal build); there is no link to it anywere (inkscape.org/download links to 0.48 Portable).
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02:25:06 <EOF-sensei> hello JohnTHaller
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02:25:29 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Ah.  In that case, I'd suggest deleting the old 0.48.1 build (or renaming it to 0.48.1-broken) and doing a 0.48.1 PAF as final.  We'll internal version it as 0.48.1.1 to work with the updater.
02:25:33 <JohnTHaller> EOF-sensei: Hi there
02:26:17 <ChrisMorgan> Sounds good to me.  No one in the Inkscape community seemed to have any real opinion, I've approximately got a free hand on it.
02:26:37 <JohnTHaller> Ah good :)  Nice to get that out.
02:26:41 * DannyMuniz brb
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02:29:24 <ChrisMorgan> WinZip opens 7-Zip files, eh?  Didn't know that one.
02:29:37 <JohnTHaller> I didn't either
02:30:05 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I downloaded inkscape-0.48.1-2-win32.7z and it opened in WinZip.
02:34:58 <JohnTHaller> Suppose it's cool to see 7z get wider support.
02:35:36 <JohnTHaller> Since the 7z.dll is LGPL, I'd guess they just used that
02:36:00 <ChrisMorgan> It deserves it.  LZMA is, I believe, the best compression algorithm around.  (Except for LZMA2.)
02:36:21 <ChrisMorgan> 7zxa.dll
02:39:08 <ChrisMorgan> Please go ahead with the Blender discussion.
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02:39:18 <ChrisMorgan> If you're not already.
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02:39:51 <JohnTHaller> Chatting with sensei
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02:42:57 <ChrisMorgan> Looks like another thing slipped into 0.48.1-2: tutorials in Indonesian and Dutch.
02:43:09 <JohnTHaller> *facepalm*
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02:57:37 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: shall I do the Inkscape 0.48.1 release myself?
02:58:47 <ChrisMorgan> Except for the updater INI file which I can't do
02:59:39 <JohnTHaller> Digital signature?
03:00:07 <ChrisMorgan> No, can't remember whether we did for 0.48 or not.
03:01:01 <JohnTHaller> Ok.  You gonna host it on Inkscape's project?
03:01:06 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
03:01:41 <JohnTHaller> Ok, then build away. :)   Since this is gonna be an official(ish) release from now on, you want one of the 'joint' splash screens that also has the Inkspace URL on it?
03:02:06 <ChrisMorgan> It does already.  We did that for 0.48.
03:02:14 <ChrisMorgan> PortableApps.com & Inkscape.org
03:02:15 <JohnTHaller> Oh.  Couldn't recall :)
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03:02:35 <ChrisMorgan> No, didn't sign 0.48
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03:03:03 <JohnTHaller> Ok, when are you gonna do the release?
03:03:22 <ChrisMorgan> Uploading installer now.
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03:03:55 <JohnTHaller> Ok, lemme know when it's available and I'll update the updater.ini.  You can edit the page and post the news story if you'd like :)
03:04:04 <ChrisMorgan> Yeppity.
03:05:23 <ChrisMorgan> What date should I put on it?  Yesterday?
03:06:25 <JohnTHaller> Today, Mar 9 :-P
03:06:41 <DannyMuniz> lol
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03:09:58 <DannyMuniz> JohnTHaller: did EOF-sensei say that he would host blender on there site?
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03:11:15 <JohnTHaller> Don't know yet
03:11:58 <DannyMuniz> k
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03:14:02 <EOF-sensei> *sigh*
03:14:53 <JohnTHaller> sup/
03:16:33 <EOF-sensei> not a whole lot
03:17:01 <JohnTHaller> So why the sigh?
03:17:20 <DannyMuniz> he had to switch to windows
03:17:23 <DannyMuniz> :P
03:17:54 <EOF-sensei> I feel a sharp pain in my chest when I boot back to windows after about a month
03:17:58 <JohnTHaller> heh
03:18:06 <JohnTHaller> Then you should setup Wine
03:18:13 <DannyMuniz> XD
03:18:34 <EOF-sensei> I havs wine, I just don't like the mix
03:18:36 <EOF-sensei> it's :P
03:19:05 <ChrisMorgan> I set up Linux on my machine at home as dual boot and after never booting into Windows for over a year I scrapped it completely.
03:19:37 <EOF-sensei> I'm hoping to do that
03:19:44 <EOF-sensei> now that I have a flash player
03:19:57 <EOF-sensei> I don't need to boot into windows to enjoy flash-only video
03:20:01 <JohnTHaller> Try installing a custom theme with Wine?  It seems to work pretty well in Ubuntu by adding in one ofthe ClearLooks or similar theme and a custom font
03:20:02 <EOF-sensei> on say... crunchyroll...
03:20:25 <ChrisMorgan> Now I just use virtual machines.
03:21:19 <EOF-sensei> yeah
03:21:27 <JohnTHaller> That too
03:21:31 <JohnTHaller> back in a couple...
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03:23:42 <DannyMuniz> k
03:23:48 <ChrisMorgan> Released Inkscape, got to change labs now as a class has started here.
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03:36:59 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: released Inkscape 0.48.1
03:37:15 <JohnTHaller> Updating DB now.
03:37:19 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks.
03:38:13 <ChrisMorgan> And requested that someone update it on inkscape.org (I don't have the tools to do it here).  This evening I can update http://dev.inkscape.org/download/ too :-)
03:39:00 <JohnTHaller> Updated.  And tweeted.
03:39:35 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, forgot to put the few word description in.
03:39:52 <ChrisMorgan> I should have known I'd forget something.
03:40:17 <JohnTHaller> no worries
03:40:33 <ChrisMorgan> I only looked at the Inskcape 0.48 and Firefox 4.0 RC1 releases, neither of which have it...
03:41:21 <ChrisMorgan> The new app directory will make this process a LOT easier.
03:42:16 <JohnTHaller> Indded
03:42:34 <ChrisMorgan> Anything I can do to help with it at the moment?
03:42:58 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Are these addressed?  http://portableapps.com/node/21837
03:46:02 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, that was fixed in 0.48.  Updated.
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03:54:23 <JohnTHaller> alright, I'm gonna log out for the night.  gnight all
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04:06:43 <DannyMuniz> guys give this translatio utility a try and let me know what you think http://portableapps.com/node/27068
04:07:34 <ChrisMorgan> DannyMuniz: don't do it as a blog post.
04:08:01 <DannyMuniz> i get confuse everytime srry ill change it
04:11:59 <DannyMuniz> ok so i moved it and here it is http://portableapps.com/node/27069
04:12:06 <EOF-sensei> :D
04:13:05 <ChrisMorgan> DannyMuniz: Remember to put the version number in the title and friendly label in download link instead of filename.
04:13:22 <DannyMuniz> ok
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06:31:19 <DannyMuniz> well im out, good night all! :)
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16:21:17 <DannyMuniz> For those that try to download IniTransUtilPortable and where unsuccessful, can now use the mirror link that i have provided
16:21:43 <DannyMuniz> enjoy! XD
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19:25:57 <bewkard> I am having an issue with TB protable.  I upgraded to the latest version yesterday, installed gpg, and installed the latest enigmail client.
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19:26:47 <bewkard> everything was good for an email session.  I got the pub key GPG signing to work, I was happy.  But now things seem to be broke.
19:26:47 <Simeon> hi all
19:27:12 <bewkard> Now, whenever I open TB portable, it get the following error  "There is not enough disk space to download new messages. Try deleting old mail, emptying the Trash folder, and compacting your mail folders, and then try again."
19:27:26 <bewkard> I have over 300MB free on my flash drive
19:27:52 <Simeon> strange.
19:28:27 <bewkard> I have tried to compact the folders, and I deleted a few unneeded files off of the flash drive (unneeded docs, nothing to do with portableapps).  I am still receiving the error
19:29:29 <Simeon> unfortunately I have no idea what could cause this.
19:29:38 <bewkard> rats..
19:30:27 <bewkard> I have looked around the web, and everything I have found on this error is suggesting fixes for other systems  (i.e. not portable apps on a flash drive)
19:30:50 <Simeon> how big is the drive?
19:31:04 <bewkard> 8 GB, little less than that when formated
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19:32:15 <bewkard> would reinstalling the TB upgrade do anything positive?
19:32:31 <Simeon> It wont hurt :)
19:33:02 <Simeon> you could try and copy the whole thunderbirdportable folder to your hdd at the same path adn run it from there.
19:33:09 <bewkard> :s  I'll have to export the GPG keys.   okeydokey, let me try that.  brb
19:33:25 <bewkard> Simeon:  I'll try that before I update it again
19:35:15 <bewkard> can I copy and run from the Desktop?  I don't have to worry about any kind of path rules, right?
19:35:23 <Simeon> no
19:35:37 <Simeon> the path has to be the same except for the drive letter.
19:36:46 <bewkard> It's running well from the hard drive.  :s
19:36:58 <Simeon> ok
19:37:17 <Simeon> so maybe its the space on the drive
19:37:38 <bewkard> Simeon: you don't know about any sort of built in limitation for TBP.  Why would it ignore the 383MB free?
19:37:55 <Simeon> dunno
19:38:20 <TPFC-SYSTEM> One possibility is corrupted filesystem.
19:38:26 <TPFC-SYSTEM> You can try this: http://www.w7forums.com/use-chkdsk-check-disk-t448.html
19:38:38 <Simeon> or right-click :)
19:39:16 <bewkard> unless, would it be calculating cumulitive size of the files it expects to download?  this is the first or second time that I have downloaded from this mail server.  it might be trying to download the past 6 months of email...
19:39:21 <bewkard> right-click?
19:39:48 <Simeon> that might be the case. Sounds resonable ti me.
19:40:33 <Simeon> I meant that you can right click on the frove ->properties and then check for errors. or use the PA.com Platform as admin and the included option to check for errors.
19:40:51 <bewkard> ah, ok
19:41:35 <Simeon> you could try to tell him not to download all the mail if its pop3.
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19:45:38 <TPFC-SYSTEM> bewkard: By googling a found this forum thread: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=1802581#p1802581
19:48:10 <bewkard> hehe.  mozillazine.org doesn't like my old version of IE.  too bad
19:48:33 <Simeon> use firefox portable :) ;)
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19:50:11 <bewkard> i was going to do that :)
19:50:40 <bewkard> but I am having XP run a disk check on my flash drive  :(
19:51:59 <bewkard> luckly I keep installing Chrome to give my IT people fits  ;)
19:53:22 <bewkard> TPFC-SYSTEM:  you feel that compacting the folders actually borked my setup even more?
19:54:12 <TPFC-SYSTEM> No. I think that compacting folders simply fails silently if the temporary file can't be created.
19:54:38 <TPFC-SYSTEM> That is, the folders aren't actually compacted.
19:55:11 <bewkard> system file check of the affected drive didn't finish with any error
19:55:29 <Simeon> so maybe its just a space issue as the error suggested...
19:55:58 <bewkard> TPFC:  ok, so if it didn't actually compact anything (I only had 8 downloaded emails to begain with), than the free storage space would be unaffected.
19:56:52 <bewkard> And if windows doesn't return errors on the drive after a fsck, why the heck is TBP still screaming about not having enough space in 383MB?
19:57:04 <bewkard> i'm just thinking out loud here...
19:57:22 <Simeon> maybe it needs more - can you free more easily?
19:57:24 <bewkard> (can one "think out loud" in irc?)
19:57:43 <Simeon> it would be "write out loud" then ;)
19:57:55 <Simeon> but then again how can one write silently???
19:58:14 <bewkard> Simeon:  mayyybe.  I think that I backed up the flash drive last night.  I might have some free space on the work computer
19:58:31 <bewkard> ...i have a pretty quiet keyboard  ;)
19:58:59 <Simeon> a giant 500 mb pdf would come in handy :)
20:03:29 <bewkard> TPFC:  the error with thunderbird choking if it received a single dot.  would that be something that I would incounter with GPG encrypted text blocks?  I would think that any dots would be embedded in the cypher block...
20:04:30 <TPFC-SYSTEM> "Unlikely. When that occurs it doesn't display any error message. It just stops downloading the new mail." -tanstaafl
20:05:11 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The disk space requirements of Thunderbird may simply be insane. :(
20:05:28 <bewkard> ack.  i see that post now
20:05:30 <Simeon> thats what I think.
20:05:52 <Simeon> Do youstill have the local copy? Might want to check its size...
20:06:03 <bewkard> rats, so it's time to either get rid of some important files or buy a bigger flash drive
20:06:07 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I'm VERY happy I use an external hard drive. I have currently 16 gigabytes of space allocated for portable applications alone...
20:06:14 <bewkard> Simeon: local copy of TB, or the profile
20:06:24 <TPFC-SYSTEM> ...as well as 400 gigabytes of completely unallocated space.
20:06:31 <Simeon> the one you copies to the local drive
20:07:29 <bewkard> TPFC: does that external drive fit in a 1"X0.5"X3" package though?  :D
20:07:43 <TPFC-SYSTEM> No, I admit.
20:08:05 <bewkard> Simeon: that copy is _still_  dl'ing emails.  about 2k emails to go
20:08:19 <Simeon> oh
20:08:32 <Simeon> sounds big
20:09:06 <TPFC-SYSTEM> And if there are attachments... :(
20:12:00 <TPFC-SYSTEM> This may help: http://www.portablefreeware.com/?id=133#15220
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20:12:18 <GizmoBot> ptmb knows a lot about HTML+CSS, besides that he is just a lunatic...
20:12:45 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Completely disabling message indexing can save a lot of space.
20:19:35 <bewkard> message indexing?  i thought message indexing was to save space...  where am I confused?
20:20:05 <Simeon> the index needs space. but the search is faster.
20:20:23 <Simeon> compacting folder is what you mean.
20:20:57 <bewkard> Simeon:  dumb me; our email provider was switched  (we went with google apps :D )  and I feed TB the old server.  So it was downloading 3 years of email  o_O
20:21:12 <Simeon> autch!
20:21:14 <bewkard> indexing for search, ok
20:21:19 <TPFC-SYSTEM> If the messages aren't indexed, Thunderbird has to download them again and again.
20:21:30 <TPFC-SYSTEM> That's why indexing is enabled by default.
20:21:52 <Simeon> you mean the index where TB saves what mails it has downloaded and what not<ß
20:22:04 <Simeon> thats something different from the index for searches <i think
20:22:15 <Simeon> I could be wrong though
20:22:35 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Maybe.
20:22:39 <bewkard> TPFC:  so if I disable indexing thunderbird would have to redownload all email each time i want to fetch new email?
20:22:51 <Simeon> sounds silly to me...
20:23:12 <TPFC-SYSTEM> bewkard: No. Thunderbird will only download an email when you preview or open it.
20:24:24 <Simeon> if you havent told tb to download everything new...
20:25:02 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Where would it download them?
20:25:14 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The setting I'm talking about is called "Keep messages for this account on this computer".
20:25:39 <Simeon> imap or pop?
20:27:11 <TPFC-SYSTEM> IMAP.
20:27:22 <Simeon> sorry. i was talking about pop.
20:27:54 <Simeon> i have no experience with imap.
20:28:04 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Well, I didn't think about POP at all.
20:28:27 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I, in turn, have no experience with POP. :D
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21:44:12 <Simeon> hi Guest20441
21:44:59 <Guest20441> hi
21:45:12 <Guest20441> how are you
21:45:21 <Simeon> fine and you?
21:45:27 <Simeon> how can we help you?
21:45:34 <Guest20441> fine too
21:45:38 <Guest20441> well
21:45:47 <Guest20441> i was trying to made a portableapp
21:46:00 <Guest20441> but i can't
21:46:38 <Guest20441> make*
21:46:59 <Simeon> its a bit of a complicated process as every app needs special treatment as every app is different.
21:47:16 <Guest20441> yes i know...
21:47:28 <Simeon> what app did you try?
21:47:34 <Guest20441> i have proved with iexpress, with thinstall
21:47:49 <Guest20441> i wanted to make the bricscad protable
21:48:03 <Guest20441> first i learn with one which was easy
21:48:22 <Guest20441> but with briscad...... it's quite complicated
21:48:50 <Simeon> thinstall isnt really the way to go.
21:48:54 <Guest20441> mm
21:49:23 <Guest20441> also i tried with
21:49:28 <Guest20441> VMare
21:49:42 <Guest20441> Vmware*
21:49:57 <Guest20441> i think that was the name
21:50:36 <Guest20441> and i know that there are a lot of bricscad portableapps
21:51:01 <Guest20441> but i want to make my app
21:52:38 <Simeon> bricscad?
21:52:55 <Guest20441> yes
21:53:08 <Guest20441> it's similar to autocad
21:53:16 <Simeon> ah
21:53:29 <Guest20441> probably you'd know autocad
21:53:33 <Guest20441> ok
21:54:02 <Simeon> never used it but I know what it does.
21:54:35 <Guest20441> yes??
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21:54:45 <Guest20441> so how it would work??
21:55:01 <Simeon> taht depends on the game and where it stores its settings.
21:55:23 <Simeon> hi gluxon
21:55:34 <gluxon> Hey Simeon.
21:56:11 <Guest20441> yes i know the folder
21:56:44 <Simeon> gluxon: kna you take over and help Guest20441?
21:57:07 <gluxon> Sure, just give me a sec to read the logs and see what his problem is.
21:57:16 <Guest20441> ok thx
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21:57:28 <Simeon> great
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21:58:23 <gluxon> Guest20441: Okay, so are you going to use the PortableApps.com Launcher?
21:58:53 <Guest20441> yes
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22:02:09 <gluxon> Guest20441: Do you know how to do a regshot of an app?
22:02:45 <Guest20441> yes i think
22:02:59 <Guest20441> it's like the aplication on xp
22:03:14 <Guest20441> that registered the new programs installed?
22:03:18 <Guest20441> right?
22:03:54 <Simeon> it creates snapshots before and after you run an app and determines what the app did to your system (registry and files)
22:04:07 <Guest20441> yes
22:04:26 <Guest20441> similar to the aplication ie said
22:04:29 <Guest20441> i've
22:04:33 <Guest20441> ok
22:04:44 <Guest20441> so with which program should i do that
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22:05:27 <gluxon> http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/regshot_portable
22:05:47 <gluxon> Like Simeon said, this allows you to see where your application is storing its settings
22:06:01 <gluxon> Well, in the registry.
22:07:08 <Guest20441> ok
22:07:16 <Guest20441> so i have to run this ap
22:07:21 <gluxon> Yeah.
22:07:24 <Guest20441> as well as the bricscad right
22:07:27 <gluxon> First, have it take a first shot.
22:07:41 <gluxon> Then run your program, mess around with some settings, and close it.
22:07:47 <gluxon> Then run the second shot
22:08:02 <gluxon> The app will determine what changes were made to the registry and show them to you.
22:08:16 <Guest20441> ok
22:08:32 <Guest20441> it's very similar to that ap in win xp
22:10:14 <bewkard> Simeon:  I will have to play more at home to night.  I might end up seeing which files I don't need on the flashdrive tonight  Thanks for you help today
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22:10:29 <Simeon> ok
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22:10:36 <Simeon> im glad I could help a bit
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22:11:24 <bewkard> hey, my initial issue may be ongoing, but I learned a few things.  I think that is some kind of sucess  :)
22:11:45 <Simeon> :)
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22:12:20 <Guest20441> ok
22:12:23 <Guest20441> 2nd shot
22:13:30 <Guest20441> ok
22:13:37 <Guest20441> and now click on compare
22:13:42 <gluxon> Yep :)
22:13:53 <Guest20441> and then??
22:14:49 <Simeon> you could upload the txt file to pastebin and post the link then we couls have a look at it.
22:15:07 <Guest20441> ok
22:16:59 <Guest20441> http://pastebin.com/NCtT4gJt
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22:27:29 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
22:28:17 <Simeon> hi Zach
22:29:08 <Guest20441> and now?
22:29:21 <Guest20441> have you looked the pastebin?
22:30:16 <Simeon> registry key is HKCU\Software\Autodesk\AutoCAD
22:30:35 <Guest20441> ok
22:30:38 <Guest20441> so now
22:30:45 <Guest20441> what i have to do
22:30:46 <Simeon> and then C:\ProgramData\Autodesk
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22:32:29 <Simeon> then you'd have to find a way to get the user data from C:\Users\Jesús Alberto\AppData\Local\Autodesk\  and maybe C:\Users\All Users\Autodesk\ to the data folder. Either you move it back and forth or there is a switch where you can tell the app where to look for the data. Seems pretty complicated to me.
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22:33:22 <Simeon> you might want to start withan easier app that doesnt touch the registry or so.
22:33:29 <Guest20441> mmm
22:33:38 <Guest20441> i have proved to make vlc portable
22:33:44 <Guest20441> and i have do it
22:33:50 <Guest20441> with msn also
22:33:58 <Simeon> ok
22:34:01 <Guest20441> and also with ICQ
22:34:27 <Guest20441> and i could....
22:34:50 <Guest20441> i will try with the IRC chat also
22:34:58 <Guest20441> with the XChat
22:35:14 <Guest20441> i think it will be easier
22:35:33 <Guest20441> what app do you recommend me to make portable apps?
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22:36:23 <gluxon> Guest20441: Sorry for dropping you there.
22:36:48 <Guest20441> it doesn't matter
22:36:52 <gluxon> The registry key you need to back up and restore is HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Autodesk
22:37:05 <Guest20441> hmm
22:37:15 <gluxon> There's probably another one somewhere in AppData too.
22:37:42 <Guest20441> ok
22:37:52 <Guest20441> what is its name??
22:38:25 <gluxon> You'll have to hunt around in C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData to find it.
22:38:40 <gluxon> C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME\Application Data for XP
22:38:53 <Guest20441> mmm
22:38:53 <Simeon> %APPDATA%
22:39:34 <Guest20441> yes that i knew
22:39:40 <Guest20441> the temporary files
22:39:46 <Guest20441> that the app will create
22:40:13 <gluxon> Not Temporary Files, Application Settings.
22:40:19 <Simeon> if you know the names you can let the launcher delete them if they are importand
22:40:27 <Guest20441> oh yes
22:40:39 <Guest20441> mmm
22:41:25 <Guest20441> so whats the name of the app that make portable apps in portableapps.com
22:41:28 <Guest20441> ??
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22:43:28 <CruelC1> 0hai.
22:43:45 <Simeon> http://portableapps.com/apps/development/portableapps.com_launcher
22:43:51 <Simeon> http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format
22:44:08 <Guest20441> which one??
22:44:27 <Simeon> one is the format/folder layout and the other is the lanucher creator
22:44:45 <Guest20441> ok
22:44:54 <Guest20441> so i have to use both
22:45:13 <CruelC1> Creator depends on NSIS-unic
22:45:57 <Guest20441> how it works this aplications??
22:46:24 <CruelC1> Creator makes a wrapper, based on NSIS (actually, installer software)
22:47:07 <Simeon> if your app is in the folder layout the format suggests, the app creates the launcher according to the ini file you have in /AppnamePortable/App/AppInfo
22:48:02 <CruelC1> in each _portable folder, there's wrapper.exe (actual name depends on the app), "data" folder (to which app's normal "user folder" is mapped), "app" folder (contains unmodified original app and a profile)
22:48:30 <CruelC1> AppInfo is the profile
22:49:01 <Guest20441> ok
22:49:44 <Guest20441> so
22:49:46 <Guest20441> now
22:49:59 <Guest20441> for example i'm creating the portableapp for Xchat
22:50:15 <Guest20441> i have to choose the folder where its installed
22:50:26 <Guest20441> then i've to wait
22:51:02 <CruelC1> N:\
22:51:03 <CruelC1> +FirefoxPortable
22:51:03 <CruelC1> -+App
22:51:03 <CruelC1> --+AppInfo
22:51:03 <CruelC1> ---+AppInfo.INI
22:51:03 <CruelC1> ---+appicon.ico
22:51:04 <CruelC1> ---+installer
22:51:04 <CruelC1> --+Firefox
22:51:05 <CruelC1> -+Data
22:51:43 <CruelC1> +help
22:51:48 <CruelC1> -+help *
22:51:51 <Simeon> PChat si similar to XCHat so you can have a look at how it looks. I learnt most of my stuff by looking at existing apps
22:52:06 <Guest20441> mmmh ok
22:52:10 <Guest20441> one question
22:52:28 <Guest20441> it says
22:52:33 <Guest20441> that makensis.exe
22:52:37 <Guest20441> wasnt found
22:52:41 <CruelC1> I SAID
22:52:47 <CruelC1> get nsis unicode
22:52:54 <Guest20441> yes
22:53:03 <CruelC1> make nsis portable lay in the same folder as launcher
22:53:14 <Simeon> as it says on the page, it requires NSIS Unicode
22:53:21 <Guest20441> iah
22:53:36 <CruelC1> ... a perman00b
22:53:40 <Guest20441> so i have to put the folder of the prgram
22:53:43 <Guest20441> argg....
22:54:02 <Simeon> ?
22:54:16 <CruelC1> yes you have to put them in one place
22:54:21 <CruelC1> BTW, do you have "menu"?
22:54:26 <Simeon> the easiest way is to install them both into X:/PortableApps as you would do with every other portable apps.
22:54:50 <Simeon> app
22:55:03 <CruelC1> Simeon: here, folder trees must be shown like I showed one
22:55:04 <Guest20441> ok thx
22:55:30 <CruelC1> N:\
22:55:30 <CruelC1> +PortableApps
22:55:30 <CruelC1> -+NsisUnicodePortable
22:55:30 <CruelC1> -+PortableAppsLauncher
22:55:50 <CruelC1> see now?
22:55:54 <Guest20441> yes
22:55:57 <Guest20441> i have that done
22:56:15 <CruelC1> if that is done, idk why it doesn't find
22:56:29 <Guest20441> i dont know
22:56:36 <Guest20441> probably i have bad written
22:56:40 <CruelC1> best bet would be to use PAMenu for installing both launcher and installer
22:57:07 <CruelC1> by installer I mean nsis tool
22:57:13 <Guest20441> ok
22:57:18 <Guest20441> i have bad written
22:57:39 <CruelC1> then, simply modify a closest-functional software
22:57:46 <CruelC1> :)
22:58:05 <CruelC1> Pchat
22:58:05 <CruelC1> Xchat
22:58:15 <Guest20441> hehe ok
22:58:46 <CruelC1> use closest-functional software's folders as a template
23:00:29 <CruelC1> For that:
23:00:29 <CruelC1> Make a backup of the Pchat
23:00:29 <CruelC1> Delete App\pchat and the -portable.exe
23:00:29 <CruelC1> Delete Pchat folder in "data"
23:00:29 <CruelC1> Replace Pchat with Xchat everywhere, change homepage and make general cleanup after those changes
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23:01:11 <CruelC1> oof, it's been only 1 or 2 weeks ago that I restored my user-stat after attempting to portabilize OpenLieroX
23:01:24 <Guest20441> ok
23:01:29 <Guest20441> i have done it!!
23:01:36 <Guest20441> but i have one problem
23:01:49 <Guest20441> the configuration
23:01:54 <CruelC1> ???
23:02:08 <CruelC1> the config folder in appinfo?
23:02:13 <Guest20441> no
23:02:21 <Guest20441> the config of the program
23:02:28 <Guest20441> it doesnt work
23:02:33 <CruelC1> some %temp% complaint?
23:02:41 <Guest20441> mmm  maybe
23:02:47 <CruelC1> does it have "temp" in the error string?
23:03:01 <Guest20441> i'm going to do it again
23:03:04 <Guest20441> ok
23:03:09 <Guest20441> since the beginning
23:03:37 <Guest20441> i cpy and paste the .ini code in appinfo.ini
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23:05:33 <CruelC1> Did you make "launcher" folder in appinfo?
23:05:52 <CruelC1> in there would be %name%portable.ini
23:06:10 <CruelC1> you need to make that folder and write the ini
23:06:30 <CruelC1> replace %name% with app's name - like Xchat
23:06:46 <CruelC1> appinfo\launcher\xchatportable.ini
23:07:05 <CruelC1> does that file exist?
23:07:05 <CruelC1> Is it written correctly?
23:07:15 <Simeon> bye all
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23:07:42 <Guest20441> no it doesn't
23:07:47 <CruelC1> oof, such a n00by thing...
23:07:49 <Guest20441> bye Simeon
23:07:53 <Guest20441> and thx
23:08:09 <CruelC1> just write that file correctly, or paste and edit from pchat
23:08:37 <CruelC1> official template is incomplete
23:09:22 <CruelC1> and I spent ages figuring that pee out myself.
23:09:22 <CruelC1> And yet they call it "open"!!!
23:10:06 <CruelC1> ...
23:12:58 <Guest20441> ok
23:13:03 <Guest20441> wait...
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23:14:33 <Guest20441> it works!!!
23:14:35 <Guest20441> hahh
23:14:44 <CruelC> Told ya!
23:14:51 <Guest20441> heheh
23:14:52 <Guest20441> thx
23:15:08 <Guest20441> i dont understand too much the last part
23:15:13 <Guest20441> you explained me...
23:15:25 <Guest20441> but well...
23:15:38 <CruelC> there's an official template for n00bs to work with
23:15:44 <Guest20441> ok
23:15:51 <CruelC> but it lacks the "launcher" folder and the INI there
23:16:01 <Guest20441> hmm
23:16:06 <CruelC> and I spent ages figuring about that
23:16:11 <Guest20441> i think for learning it will be OK
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23:17:26 <CruelC> Now, make a second installation of both nsis-unicode portable and launcher maker, zip them and upload that Zip to some file sharing site, as personal-use file
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23:17:51 <Guest20441> i want  learn a bit more
23:17:59 <Guest20441> because i think i can perform it
23:19:01 <CruelC> simply make a backup that has no trails of usage in it.
23:19:21 <CruelC> and keep that backup in a VERY SAFE place
23:19:46 <Guest20441> hehe yes
23:19:51 <CruelC> would be wise to take Xchat or Pchat into that backup as well, solely as a template
23:20:44 <CruelC> or just find the tiniest portable package, and use it as your template.
23:21:12 <Guest20441> ok
23:21:25 <Guest20441> i still have doubts with the ini file
23:21:54 <Guest20441> you have to create that file right?
23:26:06 <CruelC> launcher/pchatportable.ini? yea
23:26:51 <CruelC> it's missing since template is old
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23:27:08 <CruelC> 0_0
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