00:00:42 There is one thing which I'm not certain about how it should be done - meta-packages; as in OpenJDK/OracleJDK, both providing JDK. It's unworkable hardcoding all values, I'm wondering whether it would end up being the way to do it to have another package type so that they would create a sibling directory JDKPortable which would just contain a file package.meta containing the string "OpenJDK" or something like that. 00:01:25 *** rcmaehl (~rcmaehl@unaffiliated/rcmaehl) has joined #portableapps 00:02:01 As there are only two JDKs we will support, I think we'd be OK just binary checking for one then the other. It may be moot as Oracle JDK may be off limits. 00:03:32 *** ptmb has quit (Quit: Leaving) 00:09:36 Or another example: Python. We'd want Python2 and Python3, but then there are also further things; as well as CPython we could potentially have IronPython (once we have .NET), PyPy and JPython. (There would be an interesting situation, as CPython would be having the Python package name.) But at present there are very few packages which could use Python from source - I think I'm probably just trying to find difficulties where we don 00:11:26 For the few Python apps, wouldn't we want them to have their own copy of Python due to Python hell 00:25:34 *** mrmcpowned has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 00:48:11 *** kAlug has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00:56:35 "Python hell"? 00:59:04 Launchers would need to be able to have their own PYTHONPATHs to get their own imports and libraries they use, but that wouldn't be an issue. With CPython, a very few CPython 2.5 C modules won't work in 2.6, but hitting the backwards-incompatible C API changes will be rare - and there's only one in 2.6 to 2.7 which shouldn't have been being used for about ten years. 01:06:04 *** kAlug (~kalug@187.101.58.29) has joined #portableapps 01:07:32 *** DannyMuniz (~Kiriko@c-76-119-69-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 01:07:32 *** DannyMuniz has quit (Changing host) 01:07:32 *** DannyMuniz (~Kiriko@unaffiliated/kiriko) has joined #portableapps 01:12:01 *** DannyMuniz has quit (Client Quit) 01:14:24 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 01:28:20 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 01:34:08 ChrisMorgan: did you saw John's comment about the Launcher with NSIS bundled? (http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/irc/logs/?t=2011-06-17#T21-00-07) 01:35:26 It seems to be an easy task 01:36:41 JohnTHaller: I disagree about NSIS being included in PAL. Currently there is only one version supported (Unicode, 2.46), anyway. 01:51:33 *** matborden (~matborden@ip68-226-13-113.ga.at.cox.net) has joined #portableapps 01:58:12 *** kAlug has quit (Quit: going back to Arch) 02:03:54 *** rcmaehl has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 02:05:04 *** rcmaehl (~rcmaehl@unaffiliated/rcmaehl) has joined #portableapps 02:09:24 *** rcmaehl has quit (Client Quit) 02:11:24 *** kAlug (~kalug@2001:0:53aa:64c:308b:772f:449a:c5e2) has joined #portableapps 02:40:43 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: OH NOES, I'VE FALLEN ASLEEP.) 02:42:03 *** mrmcpowned (~meh@unaffiliated/sh-chris) has joined #portableapps 02:50:27 *** pa_9052 (adb8b1d5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.184.177.213) has joined #portableapps 02:52:05 hi there 02:52:16 can someone help 02:52:44 I am getting an integrity check has failed 02:53:20 pa_9052: That means the file didn't fully download. It's a built-in check to make sure the whole thing is there. 02:53:27 say more info goto http:nsis.sf.net?NSIS_Error 02:53:31 Clear your browser's cache and redownload 02:53:51 done that several times now 02:53:57 Which file 02:54:17 the suite one with all the apps 02:54:45 You know which mirror you're downloading from? (Something like Voxel or another name) 02:55:01 let me check 02:56:27 http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/PortableApps.com%20Suite/PortableApps.com%20Suite%201.6.1/PortableApps.com_Suite_Setup_1.6.1_English.exe/download 02:57:22 In that page, find "Mirror provided by:" 02:57:23 Right, but once you do that, SourceForge will redirect you to a specific mirror near you geographically. 02:58:01 that the link it takes me to 02:58:42 On that page, on the right side, it'll say MIRROR PROVIDED BY and then a big logo 02:59:14 voxel 03:00:07 alos would it be because i am running windows 7 64 bit 03:00:38 I just downloaded it from Voxel and got the whole thing. And I'm on Win 7 x64. 03:00:52 (I have a 50M connection, so it downloaded quick) 03:01:09 got a 6meg connection lol 03:01:43 but did the small version as well and it did the same thing 03:01:49 I'd suggest starting with the 2.0 Beta 6 release here: http://portableapps.com/node/24258 03:02:13 ok thank i will try thank you 03:02:37 Then download the individual apps. The suite is a bit outdated at this point and will shortly be a build-your-own affair using this thing: http://portableapps.com/temp/platform2/PortableAppDirectoryAdd.png 03:03:24 If you're still having download issues, there could be something else up with your connection or your local antivirus or antimalware scanner. You could try another browser to download the stuff. 03:04:01 ok will do and think you for your help 03:04:27 i'll come back if it dont work out 03:05:00 *** pa_9052 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 03:06:19 Beta 6? 03:15:06 PR1 when it's done. And that's all I'm working on this weekend except for a bday dinner tomorrow night 03:15:18 Oh, I meant beta 5 03:15:22 in that link 03:34:20 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 03:54:06 *** OliverK|Away is now known as OliverK 03:58:44 *** OliverK has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 03:59:14 *** OliverK|Away (~OliverK@unaffiliated/oliverk) has joined #portableapps 04:00:06 *** OliverK|Away is now known as OliverK 04:02:23 *** kAlug is now known as kAlug|Away 04:02:44 *** matborden has quit (Quit: matborden) 04:16:29 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 04:50:33 *** kAlug|Away has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 05:08:20 *** kAlug (~kalug@2001:0:53aa:64c:cf4:772f:44c6:fe32) has joined #portableapps 05:19:41 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05:26:16 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 05:42:23 *** SergentSiler is now known as Srgsiler|AFK 05:43:22 *** Srgsiler|AFK has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:43:52 *** Srgsiler|AFK (~Kyle@unaffiliated/sergentsiler) has joined #portableapps 06:12:58 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 07:00:21 *** OliverK is now known as OliverK|Away 08:43:11 *** mrmcpowned has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:14:11 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10:24:45 *** kAlug has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 10:36:06 *** kAlug (~kalug@2001:0:53aa:64c:cf4:772f:44c6:fe32) has joined #portableapps 10:52:30 *** kaeos (~Miranda@90.164.135.241) has joined #portableapps 10:53:40 *** kaeos has quit (Client Quit) 11:29:55 *** andreasma (~andi@p4FE4DF80.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 11:36:30 *** MaienM has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 11:38:00 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 11:42:41 *** TPFC-SYSTEM (~chatzilla@cs181248068.pp.htv.fi) has joined #portableapps 12:19:20 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 12:19:21 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 12:37:57 *** kAlug has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 13:06:37 *** kAlug (~kalug@2001:0:53aa:64c:40f:772f:449a:c33a) has joined #portableapps 13:09:55 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 13:15:09 *** kAlug has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 13:49:38 *** kAlug (~kalug@187.101.141.12) has joined #portableapps 14:40:32 *** MaienM_ (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 14:41:03 *** MaienM has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:49:20 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 14:58:24 *** MaienM_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:59:03 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 15:18:52 *** gluxon (~gluxon@c-71-234-105-104.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 15:38:31 *** Oni-Neoxes (kvirc@plns-64-111-128-11-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) has joined #portableapps 15:42:47 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Client Quit) 15:44:55 *** TPFC-SYSTEM has quit (Quit: .) 16:09:32 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:20:55 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 16:20:55 ... 16:51:04 *** Tritonio (~TrT@athedsl-19040.home.otenet.gr) has joined #portableapps 17:20:53 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-98-14-114-27.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 17:30:51 *** Tritonio has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17:37:15 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17:37:50 *** mrmcpowned (~meh@unaffiliated/sh-chris) has joined #portableapps 17:39:54 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 18:01:39 *** kaeos (~Miranda@90.164.135.241) has joined #portableapps 18:02:45 *** kaeos is now known as JorgeXXXXX 18:09:44 *** JorgeXXXXX has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18:43:42 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 18:55:18 *** Oni-Neoxes (kvirc@plns-64-111-128-11-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) has joined #portableapps 18:59:52 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit (Client Quit) 19:08:51 *** Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-33-68-72.cust.tele2.at) has joined #portableapps 19:19:47 *** kaeos (~Miranda@90.164.135.241) has joined #portableapps 19:29:49 *** kaeos has quit (Quit: kaeos) 19:34:16 *** DannyMuniz (~Kiriko@c-76-119-69-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 19:34:16 *** DannyMuniz has quit (Changing host) 19:34:16 *** DannyMuniz (~Kiriko@unaffiliated/kiriko) has joined #portableapps 19:34:30 *** andreasma has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19:35:13 hey everyone! :") 19:42:33 Hola? 19:45:28 *** andreasma (~andi@p4FE4DF28.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 19:55:02 JohnTHaller: have you though of making a Linux distro for PA.c? 19:55:30 How do you mean? You mean like DamnSmallLinux Portable? 19:55:43 yea something like that 19:56:51 The problem is that all those small distros violate the GPL by not redistributing the source for all the apps and utililties they include. 19:57:18 So we'd need to track down the specific version of the code for each app included and compile it all together for download for every version of it we did. 19:58:07 I see... 19:58:46 *** gluxon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 19:59:17 *** gluxon (~gluxon@c-71-234-105-104.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 19:59:58 Ok so if it was to be done we would need a team of people that can make it with that resorces needed 20:00:20 *** mrmcpowned has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20:00:41 Yup. We'd need to take DSL X.Y, then look at it and see all the apps that are included. Then track down the source code for all those individual apps and package all of those into a downloadable file. Then we could portablize it. 20:01:03 Messy to say the least 20:02:36 Wait, really? Does the same apply to all Linux distros? 20:03:21 Most of the major distros properly host all source code for all apps within their repositories. Most smaller ones, especially downstreams of larger ones that modify upstream ones, do not and are in violation of the GPL. 20:07:14 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 20:08:12 DamnSmallLinux provids a list of all or most of the applications that it includes http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/applications.html 20:12:53 And packages: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/packages.html 20:13:33 So it wouldn't be *too* hard to do. Just a lot of work for each release. But if someone wants to take up that challenge, I'd love to release it. 20:14:24 yea i saw that, now it will take some one that know there way oround linux to make it posible 20:15:15 Making it portable isn't too bad, nor does it require Linux knowledge. I had a partially working version of it before. It's more the keeping up with it. 20:15:39 also DMSL is a almost 100mb download 20:15:52 Smaller than LibreOffice and many of our games. 20:16:01 Hm.. why does it take Linux knowledge to package it portable? 20:17:55 for the portable part no but for the modifications to make it work with our portableapps maybe 20:18:18 What modifications would it require? 20:18:46 Aren't we running DSL Portable in QEMU if it ever happens? 20:19:58 I think Danny is thinking of a DSL with PA.c running inside it. We're thinking more a DSL Portable you can install into the PA.c Platform to be able to fire up a simple Linux instance. 20:20:51 sorry computer lag, JohnTHaller that is correct 20:21:05 Hm.. DSL with PA.c running in it wouldn't be too hard. 20:21:47 Probably a lot of work though :'( 20:22:38 we would have to add wine and it take quite some space just for wine 20:23:20 DannyMuniz: But the problem is making Linux see the PA.c drive. 20:23:45 And we would also have to recompile DSL to include WINE. 20:25:06 yea that is a problem, but a simple one DSL could be made wile works gose on for inclucding wine in a nother version 20:29:23 *** Thasmo has quit () 20:34:06 *** gluxon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 20:38:15 Finally updated Blender properly. Posting now... 20:38:18 *** Srgsiler|AFK is now known as SergentSiler 20:38:34 cool 20:55:20 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 20:59:38 And it's up: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-06-18_-_blender_portable_2.57b_released 20:59:46 Alright, off to workout. Later all 20:59:56 take care John 21:00:00 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 21:11:55 *** Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-33-68-72.cust.tele2.at) has joined #portableapps 21:16:56 did you guys see this post by LifeHacker http://lifehacker.com/tips/forum?comment=40172610 21:18:34 and just incase you are wondering, it dose work 21:21:56 I guess it's against the SourceForge.net ToS. 21:23:14 (The easy way) 21:58:48 *** DannyMuniz is now known as DannyMuniz[AWAY] 22:02:27 *** Thasmo has quit () 22:16:33 *** mrmcpowned (~meh@unaffiliated/sh-chris) has joined #portableapps 22:19:38 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@142.167.213.175) has joined #portableapps 22:19:39 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Changing host) 22:19:39 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 22:21:39 *** DannyMuniz[AWAY] is now known as DannyMuniz 22:24:24 well im off for now latter guys 22:24:34 *** DannyMuniz has quit (Quit: Never Drive Faster Than What Your Guardian Angel Can Fly! 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