00:09:23 kAlug_: John already stated that the theming format for 2.0 was finalized. 00:09:44 *** gluxon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 00:10:13 *** gluxon (~gluxon@c-71-234-105-104.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 00:17:40 gluxon: Is it the same as v2.0b5? 00:18:02 Yeah. 00:21:51 So I wonder what happened to the Theme Builder. 00:29:33 oh man have to T-storm and it is a bad one 00:29:41 *** DannyMuniz has quit (Quit: Never Drive Faster Than What Your Guardian Angel Can Fly! 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What's the desired behavior of %PAL:PackagePartialDir% when Live Mode is enabled? (specially when both App and Data are copied) 04:05:15 2. I was thinking on use a marker in the keys (or values) on [Environment] and [PersistentData] to make it be passed thru ${SetEnvironmentVariablesPath}. 04:05:35 What do you think? 04:08:29 Clarifying #2: instead of setting :ForwardSlash etc. manually, they are set automatically by the launcher. 04:13:08 *** Rapscallion has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 04:27:42 1. It's the package directory and always the package directory. 04:27:59 2. Got syntax to propose? 04:31:32 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 04:32:10 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 04:34:28 *** gluxon has parted #portableapps (None) 04:48:17 ok guys here is my new project NevitiumPortable http://portableapps.com/node/28465 04:49:36 It's missing an 'a' after 'Name: <' 04:50:02 ah i see 04:50:03 thanks 04:51:36 fixed 04:55:06 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 05:11:23 *** SergentSiler is now known as Srgsiler|AFK 05:12:48 ChrisMorgan: 1. When both are copied, the definition of 'package directory' becomes a bit fuzzy, don't? 2. I suggest %var=value or &var=value. 05:13:09 1. Not really. It's still the package directory... 05:21:27 ChrisMorgan: DannyMuniz did received permission to repackage Nevitium: http://tinypaste.com/c3445d ; DannyMuniz: put that in the post 05:22:34 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 05:31:00 Thanks kAlug, I got cut off when i was updating that part cause it heit 1:00AM 05:31:35 the website was being backup at the same time 05:49:04 is off to bed now, so good night! :") 05:49:08 *** DannyMuniz has quit (Quit: Never Drive Faster Than What Your Guardian Angel Can Fly! (Denise Wiedeman)) 06:00:33 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 06:16:01 kAlug: how about VariableName:path=PathValue? 06:17:21 It works... until I have to work with a variable that ends in :path. 06:18:24 The advantage of %var is that you can't work with it from the Command Prompt, so it's highly unlikely that any app uses something like that. 06:21:19 Or perhaps var%=value 06:25:39 It's possible, but I think %var is more visible. Anyway, to document this feature, I believe we can use something like |envsub|, with the text 'Directory variable definition'(or whatever we call this)' supported'. 06:28:54 But it's nothing to do with that. Once the variables have been produced, they're there. 06:29:16 The only documentation of this feature needed will be in its own INI section documentation. 06:30:31 *** WillPittenger (~chatzilla@c-98-213-231-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 06:32:04 FYI: Image Upload Manager (a SourceForge project at https://sourceforge.net/projects/imageuploadmgr/ is coded to allow either a normal isntallation on Windows or a portable installation in the same EXE. It isn't complete yet, but you might want to keep an eye on it. 06:33:46 Hey WillPittenger 06:34:12 WillPittenger: how do you go about doing it? 06:34:22 Doing it? 06:34:32 Making it portable, I mean 06:35:19 One of the DLLs looks for a file in the program directory. If it exists and its contents are "portable", the app's profile information comes from that folder. 06:35:28 Or rather a subfolder there in. 06:36:06 Otherwise, it looks in %appdata%/Will Pittenger/Image Upload Manager/. 06:36:06 OK. I find a convenient way of doing it is with an environment variable. That's what I put into Inkscape to make it do it. 06:36:52 And since then we have a predefined environment variable which will do for apps using the PortableApps.com Launcher - %PAL:DataDir% which will be the Data directory in the package for PortableApps.com Format apps. 06:36:57 The problem with that is ensuring the variable is set. Here, all I do is run the app. 06:38:23 The problem with the PAL:DataDir environment variable is that colons are, I think, invalid in environment variables on *nix. Or at least you can't set them from bash. 06:38:42 Well, I need .NET. 06:39:50 Eek! Panic! 06:40:11 We don't yet do .NET apps officially, though we will at some time. 06:40:35 Technically, I have two profile folders. One provides user preferences and thumbnail caches. The other stores the equivilent of extensions: providers. 06:40:38 Why are you using .NET? 06:40:48 It was what I knew how to code for. 06:41:57 The homepage talks about it. (For the moment, it is a forum topic.) 07:10:51 *** TPFC-SYSTEM (~chatzilla@cs181248068.pp.htv.fi) has joined #portableapps 07:20:41 ChrisMorgan: Are you saying that .NET apps are supported by the PortableApps system? 07:21:08 They'll run, but we don't release them officially at present due to too small a deployment base. 07:21:48 Well, it wouldn't take a whole lot for me to add the system you described. But I don't think I will do it yet. 07:22:12 And it isn't like you have Linux versions. 07:23:10 No, we don't do Linux at present. 07:24:04 Well, track us if you want. It will be a good year before we can reach alpha. 07:24:10 Maybe if I get help. 07:24:23 And I could use some help now with Windows Shell code. 07:24:35 To achieve what? 07:25:54 That is how I detect shell folders like the desktop. I ended up implementing my own file open dialog. I also needed a way to get the thumbnail that Windows provides as the default thumbnail when no other thumbnail provider can generate a thumb for the file. 07:26:13 Your own file picker? Argh! 07:26:37 There lieth the path to madness. 07:26:46 I needed a way to provide options. 07:27:07 You can do that with the standard file picker. 07:27:08 Besides, if I get it working, it will be better. 07:27:21 Not the .NET version. I also have a lot of options. 07:27:55 It won't be, because users won't be used to it. It's a solid principle of UI design that "familiar" is regularly better than "better". 07:28:24 It will be familiar. I am basing mine on the Vista UI. 07:29:08 But I added a preview pane showing thumbs of images found in the selected folder and an image filter pane. 07:29:40 It's possible you can't do it in .NET... but of course you know that at a lower level it's quite possible - Inkscape does it, for example. 07:30:03 You're welcome to try, but I'm fairly certain your one won't be as good. I've used apps before which implement the file picker themselves with one or two modifications and there have always been rough edges and it's obvious that they've implemented it themselves. 07:30:31 GTK? 07:31:02 No, I mean ones which are attempted clones. 07:31:33 The GTK one is quite different in its own way. It has good and bad things about it. (Its bookmark functionality is very nice, for example.) 07:31:51 Vista provides that too. 07:32:00 And I have a equivlent. 07:32:56 I ended up with enough options that I made mine a wizard. Actually there are two wizards. One is for files. The other handles only folders. 07:36:14 Actually, the reason Inkscape now uses the Windows dialog rather than GTK's was that I filed a bug noting that GTK's no longer had anything useful. 07:36:23 The Windows dialog had everything. 07:38:17 *** kAlug has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 07:41:07 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 08:04:19 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 08:14:16 ChrisMorgan: I don't know if you saw this: 08:14:18 WillPittenger Vista provides that too. 08:14:20 And I have a equivlent. 08:14:22 [02:32] I ended up with enough options that I made mine a wizard. Actually there are two wizards. One is for files. The other handles only folders. 08:14:24 [02:35] Actually, the reason Inkscape now uses the Windows dialog rather than GTK's was that I filed a bug noting that GTK's no longer had anything useful. 08:14:26 The Windows dialog had everything. 08:14:30 I did see that. 08:14:59 All I knew was that the server hadn't heard from your computer in 258 seconds. 08:16:08 This channel is logged... 08:19:23 *** WillPittenger has parted #portableapps (None) 08:30:34 *** TPFC-SYSTEM has quit (Quit: .) 08:50:44 *** sar3th (~sar3th@krlh-5f72600a.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #portableapps 08:50:44 *** sar3th has quit (Changing host) 08:50:44 *** sar3th (~sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 09:06:03 *** jason404 is now known as jason404|OFF 09:33:26 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 10:53:53 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@142.167.145.103) has joined #portableapps 10:53:53 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Changing host) 10:53:53 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 11:32:48 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:59:54 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a81-84-159-241.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 12:28:08 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@142.167.145.103) has joined #portableapps 12:28:08 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Changing host) 12:28:08 *** ZachThibeau (~ZachThibe@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 12:36:00 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-98-14-114-27.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 13:01:02 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 13:30:15 New: Instantbird Portable 1.0: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-07-07_-_instantbird_portable_1.0_released 13:41:43 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 14:25:13 *** z3uS has quit (Quit: www.plzhalp.us) 14:29:23 *** z3uS (~z3us@2001:470:7:ea9::2) has joined #portableapps 15:14:47 *** jason404|OFF is now known as jason404 15:34:05 *** kAlug (~kalug@201-0-57-4.dsl.telesp.net.br) has joined #portableapps 15:37:19 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 15:41:55 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 15:42:30 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 15:57:52 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 16:12:49 *** DannyMuniz (~Kiriko@unaffiliated/kiriko) has joined #portableapps 16:34:34 *** TPFC-SYSTEM (~chatzilla@cs181248068.pp.htv.fi) has joined #portableapps 16:44:29 *** JAWS (~chatzilla@adsl-76-244-145-0.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 16:45:25 hi, what is the BC.Heuristic.Trojan.SusPacked.BF-6.B that was found in my recently installed NotePad2, by ClamWin? 16:48:08 JAWS: I've found this: http://ftp.clamwin.com/viewtopic.php?t=3222 16:48:42 Likely a false positive. You can upload the file to an online malware scanner to find out. 16:49:10 what is a good online malware scanner 16:49:26 http://virustotal.com/ 16:50:08 then what do i do if it is not a false positive 16:50:41 If the file is infected, delete it. 16:51:47 ok, thx guys BYE! might talk later ;) 16:51:51 *** JAWS has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110615151330]) 16:55:06 OK, PortableApps.com Launcher 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1 is out. 17:01:11 Can I ping the ManualUpdate script when I push changes? 17:02:32 http://chrismorgan.info/cgi-bin/pal-manual-update.cgi 17:02:53 For myself I have a shell script which does ``curl -s http://chrismorgan.info/cgi-bin/pal-manual-update.cgi`` 17:04:18 I'm just doing it now 17:04:48 And so we have http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/launcher/manual/releases/2.1.1/ 17:08:01 *** JAWS (~chatzilla@adsl-76-244-145-0.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 17:08:36 *** sar3th has quit (Quit: "Our culture doesn't get smarter, it just finds new ways of being retarded.") 17:08:46 hello, again the BC.Heuristic.Trojan.SusPacked.BF-6.B was only found by two of the engines on VirusTotal 17:09:14 again,* 17:09:37 Pretty strong confirmation that it's a false positive. 17:10:26 ok, thx just checking where do i report the false pos. 17:11:15 http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/sendvirus/ 17:14:44 this same detection was found in someone elses file http://ftp.clamwin.com/viewtopic.php?t=3222 , is it the same as mine even though mine is in a different file 17:18:43 anyone? 17:19:51 Report it anyway. 17:20:26 ok, thx for the help everyone 17:20:28 bye 17:20:30 *** JAWS has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110615151330]) 17:36:15 *** gluxon (~gluxon@c-71-234-105-104.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 17:53:25 *** jason404 is now known as jason404|OFF 17:54:43 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17:54:59 *** Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-33-68-79.cust.tele2.at) has joined #portableapps 18:20:27 *** sar3th (~sar3th@krlh-4d020b54.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #portableapps 18:20:27 *** sar3th has quit (Changing host) 18:20:27 *** sar3th (~sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 18:30:34 *** ptmb has quit (Quit: Leaving) 18:33:08 *** ptmb (~PTMblogge@a81-84-159-241.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 18:45:27 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-98-14-114-27.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 18:51:30 *** gluxon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 19:00:12 *** Simeon (~simeon@dslb-094-218-249-090.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #portableapps 19:00:17 hi all 19:00:59 hola 19:02:34 hi John 19:02:39 long time no see :) 19:05:47 *** TPFC-SYSTEM has quit (Quit: .) 19:06:52 lots of updates lately... 19:06:56 been busy yeah 19:07:51 And supertuxkart 0.7.2 is on the way too. RC 2 released this week but ill be doing a prerelease to get the fullscreen issue right. 19:20:36 *** kAlug is now known as kAlug|Away 19:41:33 *** Maylay[Work (~G@cooa8fd.ad.fiu.edu) has joined #portableapps 19:44:11 *** Maylay[Work has quit (Client Quit) 19:48:48 *** Maylay[Work (~G@cooa8fd.ad.fiu.edu) has joined #portableapps 19:53:44 *** Maylay[Work has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20:03:07 *** kAlug|Away is now known as kAlug 20:09:09 bye everyone. have a good day. 20:09:18 see ya Simeon 20:10:46 hope to see you here more often (if you have the time) :) 20:10:58 I will be :) 20:12:00 Anyone here knows how to bundle msvcr90.dll? 20:12:15 For what app? 20:12:25 TortoiseHg 20:12:59 ask John - he helped me a lot with that! 20:12:59 know the exact version it needs (you need to use Resource Hacker on the EXEs and DLLs to determine) 20:13:07 *** Simeon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 20:13:42 *** rcmaehl (~rcmaehl@unaffiliated/rcmaehl) has joined #portableapps 20:14:32 nvm, I just checked mine 20:14:37 This explains why it's not working... 9.0.21022.8 vs. 9.0.30729.1 20:14:42 version 2.1.1 x32 right? 20:15:13 Yep. 20:15:15 Edit the Microsoft.VC90.CRT.manifest and just change the version number to the one you need. 20:15:30 Just don't change anything else. 20:16:00 I've found the exact version on C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS 20:16:12 Don't pull from there. Use the current version. 20:16:57 Here: http://portableapps.com/temp/VC2008 aka 9.0.30729.1.7z 20:17:00 *** rcmaehl has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 20:17:23 *** rcmaehl (~rcmaehl@unaffiliated/rcmaehl) has joined #portableapps 20:17:31 Without spaces so it links properly: Here: http://portableapps.com/temp/VC2008aka9.0.30729.1.7z 20:17:37 Hmm. WinSxS also have 9.0.30729.4974 20:18:43 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 20:18:47 What version should I use? 20:19:34 The one I just linked you. Just change the version in the manifest 20:25:36 It worked. But I had to duplicate it in a subfolder. 20:30:47 Is that fine? 20:38:37 *** JAWS (~chatzilla@adsl-99-164-104-149.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #portableapps 20:39:18 *** JAWS has quit (Client Quit) 20:51:48 JohnTHaller: I wonder if pretty-printed INI files like http://pastebit.com/pastie/6569 are supported, i.e. there are no problems in using them. 20:52:13 *** Simeon (~simeon@dslb-094-218-249-090.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #portableapps 20:52:21 hi all 20:53:16 Does anyone have the time to quickly check if the latest ConvertAll release %APPDATA%-redirect works for you? Mine doesnt resulting in a folder inside %APPDATA% 20:53:23 Hi Simeon. Do any of your apps need Microsoft.VC90.CRT duplicated in a subdirectory? 20:55:26 *** flybyray (~Robert_Re@mnch-5d8564af.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #portableapps 20:56:25 SuperTuxKart uses them but not in a subfolder 20:59:27 Simeon: redirection is indeed not working. XP SP2 VM. 20:59:42 I have XPSP3 Virtualbox 20:59:55 gonna post it in the forums and you can comment 21:05:20 Does anyone know a bit about PNotes? I hardly use it. 21:08:34 *** Thasmo has quit () 21:19:30 the same happens on Win 7 21:20:47 *** DannyMuniz has quit (Quit: Never Drive Faster Than What Your Guardian Angel Can Fly! (Denise Wiedeman)) 21:22:55 that was it for today. Bye all 21:23:00 *** Simeon has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 21:53:55 *** Srgsiler|AFK is now known as SergentSiler 22:07:01 kAlug: Duplicating it is fine, we do it in LibreOffice, too. Sometimes a PATH change can avoid that, though. 22:07:24 kAlug: Personally, I can't stand aligned INI files :-P 22:07:57 PATH is already correct (for hg to work from the command prompt). But then it's allright. 22:12:20 Yeah, common INI files don't look so bad. But I still prefer aligned ones. Can I keep them that way? 22:14:17 I'll probably 'fix' them with every official release, though 22:15:28 I wonder what happened to the Google Chrome's Dev channel. No updates for 9 days :-t 22:15:31 Some of the INI files we have are actually handled with ConfigRead/Write at times. PAL's options file is (ex: LibreOfficePortable.ini). So prettying it up breaks it. 22:19:17 Well, I can live without that. I wished that Notepad++ could distinguish between keys and values (like in the previous link). 22:19:59 How do you meant? Mine does. 22:21:05 http://portableapps.com/temp/NotepadppINIHighlight.png 22:22:55 Now I see. 'DEFAULT' = values. Odd. 22:38:15 JohnTHaller: Sorry for being so anxious as everyone else, but what's missing for PAM 2.0? 22:43:21 *** flyback (~whatthe@c-98-219-134-156.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 22:49:02 * flyback will be unavailble for a few hrs while he cleans out some of th ebasement for rennovation 22:49:17 * flyback will be unavailble for a few hrs while he cleans out some of th ebasement for rennovation bbl 23:34:51 *** flybyray has quit (Quit: Leaving.)