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I'm not sure. 03:41:17 Decipher_: Delphi. 03:41:24 Do you need the source? 03:42:21 TPFC-SYSTEM: I'm not sure I trying to find out how the installer no where the suite is located 03:43:01 I dont know of this language is it hard to understand? 03:43:49 TPFC-SYSTEM: I dont know of this language is it hard to understand? 03:44:32 TPFC-SYSTEM: I script autoit and I'm experienced with batch scripting and familiar with C++ syntax 03:45:07 I don't know Delphi, so I have no idea. 03:45:26 Probably kAlug can answer your question. 03:45:34 TPFC-SYSTEM: It was wrote by John T. Haller right? 03:46:03 AFAIK, there are multiple developers now. 03:46:23 TPFC-SYSTEM: cool 03:46:43 TPFC-SYSTEM: Are you a developer? 03:46:47 No. 03:47:37 Since I was not sure about the programming language AND don't know Delphi, I think it's quite obvious. :D 03:48:17 TPFC-SYSTEM: Are you a portable developer? Is what I'm interested in but yes very obvious lol 03:48:35 TPFC-SYSTEM: portable app developer............ 03:49:04 I'm an IT student. Probably I will develop portable applications in the future. 03:49:20 But currently I'm not a portable app developer. 03:50:27 I'm also one of the maintainers of http://www.portablefreeware.com/ 03:51:13 TPFC-SYSTEM: I'm working on a application that will archive portable apps and create a launcher that extracts and run the app from a temp dir on the host 03:52:12 I have most of it written in autoit but I'm going to be using two third party freeware progs one has legal issues 03:52:22 Are you the same person who visited the channel yesterday? 03:52:23 http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/irc/logs/?t=2011-08-24#T08-29-01 03:52:26 Know anything about software licneses? 03:52:46 Probaly it was late 03:53:49 Yesterday I was talking to someone about PA shrinker. 03:54:02 TPFC-SYSTEM: Was that you/ 03:54:11 Yes. 03:54:25 Great 03:54:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_software_licenses 03:55:11 The most common free software license is the GNU General Public License (GPL). 03:55:26 Personally I hate the GPL, it's too restrictive. 03:55:28 thanks for the link could i paste the license its like 3 sentences or would that be noobish? 03:55:58 If it's that short, yes, you can. 03:56:40 This utility is released as freeware. You can freely use and distribute it. If you distribute this utility, you must include all files in the distribution package including the readme.txt, without any modification ! 03:57:09 I want to package inside my executable. 03:57:48 Its an Icon extractor 03:59:12 To my understanding all I have to do to begin pubic development is create a new form topic like PA Creator? 03:59:22 Unfortunately, PortableApps.com doesn't allow AutoIt applications. :( 03:59:24 http://www.portablefreeware.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=38947#p38947 03:59:42 "That's why we no longer accept AutoIT-based apps for official release at PortableApps.com and will phase out our 2 apps that are based on it shortly." --John T. Haller 03:59:43 OMG! what if there compiled? 04:00:16 okay im about to check this out. 04:00:20 The problem is that there are too many antivirus false positives. 04:02:47 *** ronjn has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 04:04:56 Okay I get it and there is no way around this execept to use autohotkey instead. 04:05:27 *** gluxon has parted #portableapps (None) 04:05:56 Well, is it important to get the application officially released? 04:05:59 I remember reading that autohotkey developer used to be developers of autoit but there was some beef or something so they went seperate ways 04:07:20 Kinda my goal so yes, I want people to be able to come here and see my app with the rest and yours truly as the developer 04:08:32 OK, then rewriting is the only option (besides giving up). :( 04:09:27 autohotkey is opensource so threre is less or no malware righters? 04:09:56 writters... 04:10:22 omg i cant spell 04:11:23 Do you know what the majority of portable app developers are using? 04:11:36 I think AutoHotkey is an interpreted language as well. 04:12:08 If that's the case, AutoHotkey is also used by malware writers. 04:12:27 Nearly all portable software I know has been written in C or C++. 04:13:27 Does that mean I can't use a scripting language and that I need to step it up or what man? No Go on Autohotkey? 04:13:36 I use also a significant amount of AutoIt applications (we at TPFC haven't banned AutoIt). 04:14:14 What is TPFC? 04:14:16 I don't know. AFAIK, JTH has decided to disallow AutoIt, but not AutoHotkey. 04:14:38 The Portable Freeware Collection: http://www.portablefreeware.com/ 04:16:01 Do you think he will in the future I read that you must be willing to support your app for at least 6 months for an offical release to be taken into consideration 04:16:09 If you use AutoHotkey, the worst-case is that John decides to disallow your program from being officially released. 04:16:32 *** AlleyKat has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04:16:43 But TPFC would post it? 04:16:46 Yes, I think he will. 04:17:40 Decipher_: Probably. In order to get a public database entry in TPFC, the program needs to get at least two votes from regular users. 04:18:25 This requires that the program is useful and at least as good as the alternatives (if there are any). 04:18:53 Sometimes, even good programs stay private simply because no one is interested. 04:19:05 Where would I submit it? 04:20:02 http://www.portablefreeware.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5651 04:20:16 "First off, anyone who has joined the forum for at least a week can add 04:20:16 applications directly to the database using the new 'Add Entry' function 04:20:16 located at the top-right of the page (after the username). However, the 04:20:16 application goes into a private "favorites" list and not the main page." 04:21:29 Would you be interested in being a developer? I havent decided on anything this is just for fun I quess. 04:22:02 I don't have time for that. :( 04:22:34 In addition, I don't know AutoIt/AutoHotkey. (I do know Java, C and C++, BTW.) 04:27:05 *** palogbot (~palogbot@web132.webfaction.com) has joined #portableapps 04:27:05 Topic for #portableapps is: Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. If you need assistance, just say "help!", or ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. | Please don't PM without asking first | This channel is logged: http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/irc/logs/ | The #PortableApps IRC rules are here: http://gizmokid2005.com/paircrules Read and abide by them 04:27:05 Users on #portableapps: palogbot Decipher_ TPFC-SYSTEM kAlug|Away Zarggg dbdii407 +OliverK Suiseiseki z3uS D_D PlauSocks @ZachThibeau @Gizmokid2005 +GizmoBot 04:27:06 palogbot is the logging bot for #portableapps . Logs are found at http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs . If he dies: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/restart 04:27:31 Whats the logging bot? 04:27:39 Decipher_: I went to Helsinki Metropolia University of Applied Sciences. 04:27:40 http://www.metropolia.fi/en/ 04:28:08 GizmoBot answered your question above. 04:29:02 oh okay 04:31:20 TPFC-SYSTEM: Thanks for all the info 04:31:56 *** Decipher_ has quit (Quit: Page closed) 04:53:55 *** PlauSocks is now known as Das_Ghostie 04:54:17 *** Das_Ghostie is now known as PlauSocks 05:00:09 *** andy_ (cb03e81c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.3.232.28) has joined #portableapps 05:00:35 *** andy_ is now known as Guest47823 05:00:38 help 05:00:39 Guest47823: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums 05:00:42 *** PlauSocks is now known as SrgSiler|AFK 05:02:27 Hi Guest47823, how can we help you? 05:02:40 help - I am trying out the new PA menu pre-release3 but it puts application in sub menus that don't make sense - eg it puts K-Meleon (Internet Browser) in 'Other' instead of 'Internet'. Am I able to customise what goes in which sub-menu so it makes sense to me? Thanks 05:02:40 Guest47823: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums 05:05:55 I'm currently reading the bug tracker ( http://portableapps.com/node/28593 ) 05:06:31 Ah, it's the unconfirmed issue "After updating PuTTY it appeared in the wrong location until manually refreshed". 05:17:17 http://portableapps.com/node/28594#comment-180250 05:19:04 *** awjr (~arthur@wikimedia/awjrichards) has joined #portableapps 05:20:10 *** awjr has quit (Client Quit) 05:33:29 *** awjr (~arthur@wikimedia/awjrichards) has joined #portableapps 05:34:58 *** awjr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:35:49 *** Guest47823 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 05:36:01 *** awjr (~arthur@c-67-188-192-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 05:36:01 *** awjr has quit (Changing host) 05:36:01 *** awjr (~arthur@wikimedia/awjrichards) has joined #portableapps 05:49:47 *** TPFC-SYSTEM has quit (Quit: TPFC-SYSTEM) 05:53:41 *** awjr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:53:50 *** awjr (~arthur@wikimedia/awjrichards) has joined #portableapps 05:56:06 *** awjr has quit (Client Quit) 07:03:02 *** maki_33 (c3515391@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.81.83.145) has joined #portableapps 07:05:57 *** maki_33 has quit (Client Quit) 08:42:13 *** bungeshea2 (3a6059da@gateway/web/freenode/ip.58.96.89.218) has joined #portableapps 08:43:26 PortableApps.com Launcher: If you set %APPDATA% to &PAL:DataDir%, will that effect any other PortableApps? 08:45:11 *** kAlug|Away is now known as kAlug 08:46:10 bungeshea2: If the app supports changing %APPDATA%, then we'll be already using it. So, I think it's safe. 08:52:39 But what if another app has already changed %APPDATA%? 08:54:22 Exactly. Then the launcher will change it again to it's own %PAL:DataDir%. 08:54:35 This is why I think it's safe. 08:57:01 So where will the original app save it's data? in the new app's Data directory? 08:58:57 Nope. In the old one. 09:15:12 Okay. So having tow apps running that both change the %appdata% isn't a problem then 09:15:55 Yep. 09:24:11 okay, bye then. 09:24:17 *** bungeshea2 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 09:29:02 *** zulito (5b32c77d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.50.199.125) has joined #portableapps 09:29:23 *** zulito has quit (Client Quit) 09:42:38 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 09:52:54 *** kAlug has quit (Quit: Page closed) 10:14:00 *** sar3th (~sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 10:14:46 *** maki_33 (c3515391@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.81.83.145) has joined #portableapps 10:17:26 is (beside this chat) the forum of PA the right address if i find an issue within the webpage of portableapps.com or with a portable-program? is a developer of a portableapp-version look into the forum? or is the site for the PA the right one? 10:18:52 if you're having trouble with a portableapp, posting into the forums is a good idea; most developers read the forums and look for bug reports, that's why there is several app-specific forums :) 10:19:34 hm, ok, the app i am talking about is not directly found at http://portableapps.com/forums 10:19:49 so the "Other Apps Support" should be ok, right? 10:21:12 exactly 10:23:40 ok, and web issues? 10:24:45 i guess the "general discussion" forum would be okay for that 10:25:15 ok, thx 10:25:37 so chat more for questions and understanding but less for issue report 10:25:41 you can ofc also tell people here on irc, but we don't have much activity lately :/ 10:25:53 basically yes :) 10:25:57 thank you sar3th 10:26:04 you're welcome maki_33 10:27:18 only for interest, how many chatroom participants are (or understand) german here? 10:27:55 sar3th: your are frensh? 10:28:07 nope, i'm german 10:28:27 ok, hab nur in der whois was gesehen. betrifft aber wohl nur den server :) 10:28:30 and i think i'm the only one here now, besides you? 10:28:44 gut möglich 10:40:19 sar3th: bist du häufig hier? bist du selbst entwickler der website oder einer anwendung? 10:41:39 ich bin normalerweise in meiner freizeit da, beschäftige mich mit der "plattform", also dem menü, und hab eine anwendung die test-status hat 10:43:11 *** TPFC-SYSTEM (opera@cs181248068.pp.htv.fi) has joined #portableapps 10:51:15 ok, danke für die vielen infos. ich hab die sachen ins forum geschrieben. dann geh ich erstmal. tschö, bis bald wieder. 10:51:18 *** maki_33 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 10:51:25 bye 11:04:19 *** maki_33 (c3515391@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.81.83.145) has joined #portableapps 11:05:21 sar3th: doch noch ne sache. es gibt ja sogar ein forum zumindest für die apps das speziell für fehler existiert: http://portableapps.com/development/bugs 11:05:34 glaube das ist das was ich gesucht hab (zumindest für die apps selbst) 11:06:21 sieht gut aus, die letzen einträge sind sogar von august 11:06:47 hmmmmm :) 11:06:48 allerdings kann man da nicht posten 11:07:18 scheins kommt das automatisch rein wenn man 1. der ersteller ist und 2. der betreff "bug" enthält. so hab ichs verstanden 11:07:24 ich glaub eher dass das alle forum-topics mit dem titel [Bug] auflistet 11:07:28 http://portableapps.com/node/28749 11:07:30 ja 11:07:32 ja genau 11:07:43 dann passts ja.. priiima 11:08:23 yup 11:58:22 *** AlleyKat (~Miranda@0x573a58b7.ronnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) has joined #portableapps 13:39:32 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 13:54:27 *** andreasma (~andi@p5B07D231.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 13:58:33 *** maki_33 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 14:02:36 *** Zarggg has quit (*.net *.split) 14:07:00 *** Zarggg (~zarggg@24.229.139.169.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) has joined #portableapps 14:44:20 *** flyback (~whatthe@c-98-219-134-156.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 14:45:47 *** Zarggg has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:46:22 *** Zarggg (~zarggg@24.229.139.169.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) has joined #portableapps 15:11:24 *** andreasma 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What does the M in ATM stand for? 23:17:17 gleetings kAlug 23:17:17 flyback: One of them almost locked a R$ 40 deposit of mine a few days ago. 23:17:33 * flyback wonders why he wasn't called since it was 2 days ago 23:17:48 kAlug: what do you think of renaming [PersistentData] to [EnvironmentLast]? 23:19:48 IDK... it makes me think that it's used to get the last value of an environment variable. 23:20:03 But the value is in fact arbitrary. 23:20:28 BTW, have you saw this? http://portableapps.com/node/29001#comment-182717 23:21:26 It's "did you saw", isn't? 23:21:31 *** flyback has parted #portableapps ("Leaving") 23:21:56 "did you see this" 23:25:07 sar3th: Thanks. I studied past tenses <3 months ago. And I'm already forgetting it. 23:27:02 yw 23:30:40 I forgot I was going to make TeXLive portable. 23:48:25 kAlug: we use "last" in "last drive" etc. When you say "to get the last value of an environment variable", do you mean the state of it before running the launcher, rather than the value last time it was run? 23:48:58 As in LastDrive. 23:51:51 Yeah, it does have a point. 23:53:07 ChrisMorgan: But why do you want to change it? 23:54:19 I don't really like the name PersistentData (or whatever it was that I suggested earlier - I've forgotten). And it's doing just what Environment is, only for the value of the variable in the previous run.