00:09:50 *** Scriptdaemon (~KennyW@cpe-66-74-193-120.san.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 00:17:11 *** Guest43152 (~rcmaehl@74-141-211-110.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #portableapps 00:23:58 *** WillPittenger (~WillPitte@143.43.209.30) has joined #portableapps 00:26:07 *** sar3th (~sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 00:29:51 I've noticed that PortableApps can start now auto-start applications. Unfortunately, it does so BEFORE checking to see if those apps need updates. So it started Firefox and Thunderbird, but then found that both had version 6.0.1 out. However, neither could be updated while the applications where running. Hence, I think that if the user has requested that an app auto-start, check it for updates and, if needed, install them first so the re 00:29:52 quested apps can run as soon as possible. Ditto for any apps the user manually starts during the auto-update process. 00:30:45 okay, but what should happen when the update server can't be reached? 00:31:40 sar3th: Display an error which offers to retry or run the program(s). 00:33:51 hm 00:40:57 * WillPittenger will be back shortly. 00:41:10 *** WillPittenger has quit (Quit: Leaving) 00:46:31 *** WillPittenger (~WillPitte@143.43.209.30) has joined #portableapps 00:46:35 #svg 01:05:39 *** sar3th has quit (Quit: "Our culture doesn't get smarter, it just finds new ways of being retarded.") 01:09:14 *** aBP (4cda39eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.218.57.235) has joined #portableapps 01:09:32 Hi, I have a question if someone can help 01:12:35 *** aBP has quit (Client Quit) 01:18:15 * WillPittenger is leaving and may not be back for days. 01:18:16 *** WillPittenger has quit (Quit: Leaving) 01:26:41 *** Guest43152 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01:31:31 *** Scriptdaemon has quit (Quit: Politeness, n. The most acceptable hypocrisy.) 01:34:58 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-98-14-114-27.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 01:35:53 howdy JohnTHaller 01:36:12 hola 01:36:16 HAI JohnTHaller! 01:36:27 hola kAlug 01:37:11 Hey, I think we could update this a bit: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/PortableApps.com 01:38:41 * kAlug just found a (possibly) serious issue in PAL 01:39:12 It's been paired down a bit article-wise. Some pro-LiberKey editor kept removing all our press and adding LiberKey links to the article for a while. 01:39:20 kAlug: Is it the directory move thing? 01:39:28 Yep. 01:39:41 Is it a confirmed issue? 01:40:29 Just confirmed it. Fortunately the fix seems to be simple. 01:40:45 But it can also be the tip of the iceberg. 01:42:08 argh. how so? 01:43:59 Same variables, same checks, not clearing up the vars before starting to use them. 01:44:39 Ouch. Any idea on how soon you'll have a fix? I'll need to go back and update every released app that uses it. 01:45:47 That error conditions are very specific. I'm just afraid we have other things like that in the code. 01:46:42 The last [FilesMove] must be to inside the package, and the first [DirectoriesMove] must be to outside the package. 01:47:13 So two separate issues? Or both those criteria have to happen to trigger it? 01:47:37 #2 01:48:21 Ok, so it happens only when both FilesMove and DirectoriesMove is used. And only when the last FilesMove is to inside the package and the first DirectoriesMove is to, say, the local APPDATA. 01:48:36 Right, 01:48:57 I'll test the fix now. 01:49:19 Does sound like an unsanitized variable. And it would explain why it hasn't cropped up yet. It may not be occurring with any released apps. 01:55:47 OK. The fix seems to work. Is this a priority (i.e. for PAL 2.1 series)? 01:56:59 Yeah, if there's a dataloss bug, even with a rare trigger, it's a priority. So we should push it out as PAL 2.1.2. 01:57:12 Unless PAL 2.2 is somehow ready now 02:04:15 We still have at least 3 TODOs for PAL 2.2 (and one patch that I wanted someone else to test). So I believe it's going to 2.1.2. 02:05:59 Can confirm with Chris and we can push a release out maybe tomorrow, please? 02:06:13 I mean can you confirm with Chris, so he agrees with your proposed fix. 02:13:35 OK. I'll send him an email. Is "unsanitized" a word? 02:13:51 I added it to my dictionary :) 02:32:55 Sent. 02:33:05 Thanks! 02:38:00 JohnTHaller: It was you that have uploaded this (@2008-04-28)? In this case, the following update (@2009-10-06) is sort of funny. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:Portable_apps_logo.png 02:44:08 No I uploaded the high-res version a while back 02:44:40 @2008-04-28 02:45:00 as CritterNYC, right? 02:45:02 ya 02:47:24 kalug, if both FilesMove and DirectoriesMove are internal, no issues, right? 02:47:37 The next update is "Replacement low resolution image to prevent trademark infringement and allow fair use.". Perhaps this should be clarified the next time. After all, I believe this would be fair use of the logo (including the larger versions), right? 02:48:02 AFAICT, no problems. 02:48:03 It's also use with permission from the trademark holder. And the Firefox logo is big, for instance 02:48:51 Spam: http://portableapps.com/node/28576#comment-182990 02:49:52 gone and blocked 02:50:45 Hmm... from the Firefox logo entry: "The previous version(s) of this file are copyrighted and were used under a claim of fair use. In accordance with the Wikipedia non-free content criteria, a smaller or lower quality version, or a freely-licensed replacement, has been uploaded in their place." 02:51:15 lower-res doesn't mean fair use. someone is confused. 02:51:15 But then... it's 118x118px! 03:16:22 JohnTHaller: how much time does a normal DNS update takes? 03:18:01 It should happen instantly on your primary DNS server, but then it has to propogate. And other DNS servers will cache it as long as your TTL was set for 03:18:49 There's something wrong then... 03:19:03 with what? 03:19:11 My website. 03:20:05 *** MaienM has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 03:20:26 Hmm... it would seem that uTorrent Portable can't handle path changes. Just drive letter. Even after I used your launcher and added in path portablization. 03:22:39 Yep. It's not exactly easy to add. We would need to read an integer right before each path, update it (compensating the path length change), and write it again. 03:23:22 Yeah, I forgot about all that FileGuard stuff. An excercise for later. 03:26:13 ... The DNS control panel shows the correct values... but their nameservers aren't updated. 03:27:36 Some hosts take up to 24hr to update their main DNS servers. 03:27:44 You need to check their policies. 03:28:20 I don't think they would need 5 days for that. 03:28:26 DNS switches are often tricky. You generally need to set your TTL way down, find out what your web host timing is, then plan on both being up for a given period. And then add in a 24hr buffer for DNS servers that ignore the TTL and cache it anyway. 03:28:31 In that case, call them. 03:28:48 Yeah. Doing it. 03:35:23 Well, I think that FastCopy Portable is ready. Just posted it to the ARFOR,PH topic. 03:36:59 Arrforfff? Heh. Yeah, I saw 03:37:35 ... and it seems that soon I'll have a free (and legal!) Win7 64-bit install to fully test it. 03:37:50 how ya getting it? 03:38:04 MSDNAA 03:38:25 MSDN Academic Alliance 03:38:51 Ah cool 03:39:52 I was supposed to have access to it sence April, but somehow my name is not on their systems. Hopefully going to be fixed next week. 03:40:04 hope so 03:41:07 I hope Win7 doesn't keep hanging with 1GB RAM. 03:42:03 1gb is a bit low, but it should work ok 03:43:08 Yeah. But somehow some computers on my school have only 512MB. And Win7. 03:43:17 Plus Aero. 03:43:27 Ouch. It'll work, yeah. Until you throw lots of apps at it :) 03:45:00 Yeah. In those computers, MS Office takes up to 1min to launch. Sometimes 3. 03:46:12 It seems that you're cleaning up the Outdated Apps list ::) 03:46:20 Indeed 03:50:26 Well, gnight all. It's becoming too late here. 03:50:29 kAlug: I just realized you 03:50:39 're not on the team page yet. What do you want your name to show as? 03:52:04 Aluísio Augusto Silva Gonçalves (a.k.a. kAlug) 03:52:27 Good? http://portableapps.com/about/team 03:53:17 Fine. Thanks. 03:53:21 Cool 03:56:06 Suggestion: GizmoBot should only answer helps when the user types it the first time. 03:56:16 Gnight. Back in 5hrs. 03:56:19 *** kAlug has quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 04:00:08 *** Venusaur is now known as Suiseiseki 05:06:07 *** rcmaehl (~rcmaehl@unaffiliated/rcmaehl) has joined #portableapps 05:11:30 *** rcmaehl has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05:15:10 *** Decipher_Code (~chatzilla@96-37-155-57.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) has joined #portableapps 05:33:51 *** matborden (~matborden@ip68-226-13-113.ga.at.cox.net) has joined #portableapps 05:34:00 *** matborden has quit (Client Quit) 05:44:07 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 06:33:32 *** Guest50692 (~rcmaehl@74-141-211-110.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #portableapps 06:35:34 *** Guest50692 has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) 06:40:13 *** Decipher_Code has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:44:09 *** Guest87647 (~rcmaehl@74-141-211-110.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #portableapps 07:46:53 *** Guest87647 has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) 08:39:46 *** sar3th (~sar3th@krlh-5f72f01a.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #portableapps 08:39:53 *** sar3th has quit (Changing host) 08:39:53 *** sar3th (~sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 08:41:41 *** sar3th|trouble (~sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 08:47:05 *** Tritonio (~TrT@150.140.22.204) has joined #portableapps 09:56:25 *** sar3th|trouble has quit (Quit: "Our culture doesn't get smarter, it just finds new ways of being retarded.") 10:05:26 *** pa_7533 (5e86cf20@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.207.32) has joined #portableapps 10:05:54 Hi I have a question for todoList 10:06:14 How can I change language? 10:06:27 Does anybody know? 10:41:39 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 10:41:52 morning MaienM 10:43:30 gmorning sar3th 10:46:50 *** pa_7533 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 11:17:20 *** Guest61995 (~rcmaehl@74-141-211-110.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #portableapps 11:54:11 *** vf2nsr (~vf2nsr@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 11:55:01 *** vf2nsr has quit (Client Quit) 12:03:53 *** ronjn (ronjn@dslb-088-066-108-210.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #portableapps 12:04:40 *** ronjn has quit (Client Quit) 12:06:31 *** Tritonio has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12:09:26 *** ronjn (ronjn@dslb-088-066-108-210.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #portableapps 13:13:34 *** pa_4088 (6c495020@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.73.80.32) has joined #portableapps 13:34:50 *** ujjain (~ujjain@unaffiliated/ujjain) has joined #portableapps 13:34:59 How can I choose to open pdf files with Sumatra Portable? 13:35:08 it is problematic opening files iwith portable apps? 13:36:12 *** pa_4088 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 13:37:22 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 14:35:29 ujjain: well yes and no... 14:36:05 if you set it to always open with a program on a removable drive, that's not too good if the drive is removed 14:36:14 obviously 14:36:31 but there's another way - look for eXpresso on the site 14:36:54 that should enable temporary file association as I recall 15:04:30 AlleyKat: I use Dropbox PortableApps. 15:04:54 thanks, eXpresso looks interesting 15:34:57 *** awjr (~arthur@wikimedia/awjrichards) has joined #portableapps 18:40:24 *** Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-32-70-37.cust.tele2.at) has joined #portableapps 18:43:07 *** awjr has quit (Quit: awjr) 19:16:44 *** awjr (~arthur@wikimedia/awjrichards) has joined #portableapps 19:24:41 *** ptmb (~Jose@a81-84-158-119.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 19:24:41 ptmb knows a lot about HTML+CSS, besides that, he is just a lunatic... 19:40:30 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 20:00:54 *** awjr has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20:57:37 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 21:00:33 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 21:00:42 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21:04:43 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 21:28:55 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21:29:57 *** Venusaur (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 21:30:44 *** kAlug (~kalug@187.57.11.119) has joined #portableapps 21:31:15 *** kAlug has quit (Client Quit) 21:31:39 *** kAlug (~kalug@187.57.11.119) has joined #portableapps 21:49:22 *** ptmb has quit (Quit: Saindo) 21:52:25 *** GordCaswell (~GordCaswe@unaffiliated/ve4jhj) has joined #portableapps 21:52:30 GordCaswell is the developer of Armagetron Advanced Portable, Evince Portable & ZSoft Uninstaller Portable 21:53:19 Hey GordCaswell! 21:53:28 Hey kAlug! 21:53:34 Hey Gizmobot! 21:53:34 Hey GordCaswell! 21:53:45 GizmoBot? 21:54:07 kAlug: did you see this yet: http://portableapps.com/node/29086#comment-183032 21:54:21 Yeah, Gizmobot hasn't said hi to me recently 22:03:41 * GordCaswell is updating the test releases page 22:04:43 Can you please delete PhraseExpress for me? 22:05:00 Delete it from the list entirely? 22:06:21 Yes. I've discontinued it. It was too much difficult to make the online installer to work with it. 22:06:31 K, No problem. 22:11:01 *** ptmb (~Jose@a81-84-158-119.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #portableapps 22:11:02 ptmb knows a lot about HTML+CSS, besides that, he is just a lunatic... 22:17:01 kAlug: done 22:22:10 Thanks. 22:28:47 *** Guest61995 has quit (Quit: Power-idling in 59 channels on 12 networks.) 22:29:42 Guest61995 == rchmael? 22:41:19 I was been thinking on a new feature for PAL but, as always, I forgot what it was. Any requests? 22:42:03 i would like if my apps made me hot drinks on demand....without interaction :) 22:42:10 Seriously though, not offhand 22:45:06 Cool! Only 3 (maybe 4) TODOs for PAL 2.2! 22:46:28 That'll come after 2.1.2, still, eh? 22:47:53 Yeah, but I'd say PAL 2.2 will be ready by the end of this month. 22:47:59 nice 22:49:56 time to go out for the evening. TTYL 22:50:15 Bye. 22:50:24 *** GordCaswell has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 22:55:52 *** Venusaur is now known as Suiseiseki 23:25:33 *** awjr (~arthur@wikimedia/awjrichards) has joined #portableapps 23:58:05 *** sar3th has quit (Quit: "Our culture doesn't get smarter, it just finds new ways of being retarded.")