00:00:27 Doesn't look right. 00:01:43 I'm going to push a fix to UTF-16 support and the language environment variables. 00:02:15 Actually, I'm not entirely sure if FileReadWord can be used safely for detecting if a file is UTF-16LE. I can't remember well enough. 00:02:53 A small check in the Generator worked. 00:03:24 Good. 00:03:32 So long as it doesn't break other encodings! 00:09:09 I can't test for KOI8-R ;) 00:09:42 I think what we should support is ASCII and UTF-16LE. 00:14:08 The Generator will automatically update the language variables in Custom.nsh and App\AppInfo\Launcher\*.ini. 00:23:16 ChrisMorgan: Are you fixing any other bug for PAL 2.1.2. 00:23:54 UTF-8, too, to some degree (I'd like it, anyway), but we can consider it to be approximately ASCII. 00:24:20 Are there any other bugs which can be fixed for PAL 2.1.2? 00:25:38 No AFAIK. 00:26:05 I'll merge 2.1 in default then. 00:32:22 ChrisMorgan: how do I make Mercurial ignore a specific changeset when merging a branch? 00:35:09 Which aren't you wishing to merge? 00:36:30 It's safe to `hg merge`, you know; if it goes wrong, `hg update --clean .`. Or even `hg merge -P` to see what it'd suggest. 00:38:12 I don't want it to merge "Updated version number to 2.1.1 (2.1.1.0)". But I'll let it for you so you can merge it with the 2.1.2 release notes already. 00:38:36 Yeah, may as well not merge it yet. I'll take care of it. 00:38:52 BTW, can you check the language-table.py script and base it in the latest Platform Next? 00:39:22 I was running it on Saturday and finding issues... that's the problems I was reporting with the .locale files. 00:39:25 And check some of your comments in languages.rst. 00:40:05 I tend to find the easiest way to do it is to run the merge, revert that particular change and then commit. 00:43:03 You can use the transplant extension (equivalent of git cherry-pick) but then the tree isn't being merged which makes it harder later. 00:44:15 OK... all changes in the server. 00:53:59 Why PAL:LocaleName rather than PAL:LanguageName? 00:58:34 And John *still* hasn't fixed all those locale bugs I reported back at 2.0b4 and have reported each new version! 01:00:19 Hmm... not sure about LocaleName... do you want me to change it? 01:01:21 Oh, now I remember it: languages don't include the country. 01:02:34 The only exception is LanguageCode, because that's the official name. 01:02:52 It seems that I've forgot LocaleID. 01:04:05 Should we just change everything to "locale", including PAL:LanguageCustom? 01:05:10 I think language is more known. 01:05:10 Love the length of the macro SetEnvironmentVariableFromEnvironmentVariableWithDefault. 56 characters certainly isn't bad. Could have made it shorter as "SEVFEVWD" ;-) 01:06:04 Yeah, I know that. 01:06:08 I'd just tend to like it to be more consistent, one way or another. 01:06:32 What about SetEnvironmentVariableFromEnvironmentVariableWithDefaultFromAnotherEnvironmentVariable? 01:07:24 At the very least, put "Yet" in there - SetEnvironmentVariableFromEnvironmentVariableWithDefaultFromYetAnotherEnvironmentVariable 01:08:03 SetEnvironmentVariableFromEnvironmentVariableWithDefaultFromAnotherEnvironmentVariableWowThisIsTheLongestMacroNameIHaveEverComeAcross 01:08:17 That is to say, SetEnvironmentVariableFromEnvironmentVariableWithDefaultFromYetAnotherEnvironmentVariableWowThisIsTheLongestMacroNameIHaveEverComeAcross 01:08:45 *** AlleyKat has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01:08:50 Can we come up with a place to use it? 01:09:27 Not yet. I think. 01:10:01 Pity. 01:10:34 So, replace all with Language? 01:10:41 I dunno. 01:11:07 Your point is valid about Microsoft calling it Locale ID, but I think I do like the idea of consistency. 01:11:21 Is PAL:LanguageLocaleID too horrible, I wonder? 01:12:21 Got it: SetEnvironmentVariableFromEnvironmentVariableWithDefaultFromYetAnotherEnvironmentVariableWowThisIsTheLongestMacroNameIHaveEverComeAcrossIWonderIfNSISHasAMacroNameLengthLimitIfSoWeMustBeGettingNearItIImagineThatItIsProbably256CharactersAndUnfortunatelyThisMacroNameIsLongerThanThatAsItIs303CharactersLong 01:13:59 Hmm... John also prefers Locale... am I the one who prefers Language (perhaps because English is not my native language and I don't know how to translate "locale")? 01:14:48 *** Das_Wunder has quit (Quit: Running for my life!) 01:16:07 Currently, only *Code are Language; the remaining are all Locale. 01:16:47 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01:17:36 I prefer "language" for general use but "locale" is more accurate when including country/dialect information. 01:18:23 Then also consider GTK itself uses the LANG environment variable as its principal locale-switching variable (plus the LC_* variables - locale!)... 01:18:45 Fun stuff. 01:19:21 And I think that LanguageCode would be more accurate as LocaleCode, considering pt and pt-br... 01:19:39 I'm now leaning towards switching them all to Locale, I think. 01:20:14 And making the NSIS one obsolete in 2.3! 01:20:52 But then, we use [Language], PAL:LanguageCustom, etc. 01:20:52 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 01:20:58 I DON'T KNOW! :-) 01:21:27 Perhaps keep PAL:LanguageCustom and keep the other Locale ones Locale and change LanguageCode to LocaleCode. 01:21:44 After all, it's then only changing one value. 01:22:32 Sound OK? 01:22:35 The rule is simple: *Code is Language; * is Locale. After all, you'll need to check to now which one to use. 01:22:57 s/now/k&/ 01:23:21 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01:24:16 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 01:49:57 *** GordCaswell (~GordCaswe@wnpgmb0514w-ad01-188-208.dynamic.mtsallstream.net) has joined #portableapps 01:49:59 *** GordCaswell has quit (Changing host) 01:49:59 *** GordCaswell (~GordCaswe@unaffiliated/ve4jhj) has joined #portableapps 01:50:06 *** GordCaswell has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 02:05:00 *** MaienM has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 02:06:18 *** PlauSocks is now known as PlauSocks|AFK 02:13:45 *** GordCaswell (~GordCaswe@unaffiliated/ve4jhj) has joined #portableapps 02:16:17 *** MaienM (~MaienM-F@unaffiliated/maienm) has joined #portableapps 02:22:58 ZachThibeau: I tried switching to PChat today, but there weren't any sounds that i could find. I was using Pchat Portable. 02:23:38 by default PChat doesn't include sounds, it can make use of sounds though 02:24:16 Ah, ok. In that case it makes perfect sense. ./sounds just be in Data? 02:24:27 *just/should 02:24:35 yes 02:24:41 K, thanks. 02:29:22 *** maxh (~maxh@c-98-230-51-109.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 02:31:09 *** Das_Wunder (~Hei@cpe-075-183-169-246.sc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 02:31:58 I’m trying to set up GPG (ideally with WinPT, but GPA would be okay too) on a portable disk. However, it defaults to using the keyring of my local install. Is there a way to change this behaviour to use the keyrings on the portable disk? 02:33:29 maxh: You can set the GNUPGHOME environment variable to the directory of the portable keyring. 02:33:56 This would have to be set on any computer I use, though, right? 02:35:52 Yash. Or you can make a small batch file to run WinPT Portable (check if there's a file named App\AppInfo\Launcher\WinPTPortable.ini in the WinPT Portable's install first, it'll make things easier). 02:37:05 There’s not. 02:37:52 So just set up a batch file to change the environment variable then launch WinPT, and use that instead of launching directly, right? 02:39:26 *** PlauSocks|AFK is now known as PlauSocks 02:39:27 Yes. 02:42:45 Hrm. Now it’s complaining about a pre-existing keys conflict... 02:46:16 What's the exact error message? 02:46:32 From GPG or WinPT? 02:46:47 It seems to be from WinPT. 02:51:30 Ah, I see. It’s not using .. to go up a directory. Is there a way for the batch file to determine the drive from which it is run? 02:53:15 %~d0. You can also use %~dp0 to specify the directory where the batch file is located, just remember that it already includes a backslash, so use something like %~dp0Data.... 02:54:12 *** GordCaswell has quit (Quit: switching clients) 02:54:38 *** GordCaswell (~GordCaswe@unaffiliated/ve4jhj) has joined #portableapps 02:58:23 And %~d0 would be X:\? 02:59:17 Oh, just X:. 02:59:41 Hrm. It still says pre-existing keys conflict. 03:01:25 If I open WinPT.exe directly (without the portable launcher) it opens. 03:06:07 X: 03:07:19 Can you paste the contents of the Other\Source\WinPTPortable.nsi file to some pastebin, e.g. https://pzt.me/ ? 03:09:24 https://pzt.me/8v99 03:11:38 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 03:21:19 maxh: Hmm... that WinPT Portable release (http://portableapps.com/node/11404 I believe) is very old... and I'm running out of time. Do you mind coming back tommorow? I'll try to update WinPT Portable and reproduce the bug you're experiencing. 03:21:34 Tomorrow works. 03:22:10 OK. By the way, are you aware that WinPT is discontinued? 03:22:36 What are people supposed to use now? 03:25:06 It seems that Gpg4win (a Windows build of GPG that used to include WinPT) is now including GPA and Kleopatra: http://gpg4win.org/about.html 03:27:09 I can’t find information about Kleopatra, but personally I prefer WinPT to GPA. 03:28:38 Me too, when I used to use GPG. 03:30:12 Well, I have to go now. I'll see what I can do tomorrow. 03:30:20 *** kAlug_ is now known as Aerok 03:30:40 spamflood by user 186845 04:08:51 *** PlauSocks is now known as PlauSocks|AFK 04:15:44 *** PlauSocks|AFK is now known as PlauSocks 04:33:27 *** Decipher_Code has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 04:34:58 *** PlauSocks is now known as PlauSocks|AFK 04:36:35 *** DannyMuniz has quit (Quit: Never Drive Faster Than What Your Guardian Angel Can Fly! 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What do you think? 12:49:49 (For the logs: PAL language environment variables' naming) 12:52:50 kAlug: I like using LCID instead of LocaleID when tacked with Language, but I don't really like any of the other things. I think my current preference is PortableApps.com(Locale|Language)* -> PAL:Language* plus PortableApps.comLocaleID to PAL:LanguageLCID. For some reason PAL:Language:* doesn't feel neat, plus we already have PAL:LanguageCustom. 12:58:53 OK, I have to go now. I think I can do that. ChrisMorgan: Please add '' to the IRC logs' HTML. 12:59:00 *** kAlug has quit () 13:10:23 Good idea. added. 13:54:44 *** bencc has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 14:00:49 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 15:09:49 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@p5B0C3FBC.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #portableapps 15:09:59 *** benedikt93 has quit (Changing host) 15:09:59 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 15:21:36 *** Das_Wunder (~Hei@cpe-075-183-169-246.sc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 16:07:13 *** TPFC-SYSTEM (~opera@cs181105044.pp.htv.fi) has joined #portableapps 16:15:30 *** PlauSocks|AFK is now known as PlauSocks 16:23:36 *** maxh1 (~maxh@c-98-230-51-109.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 16:26:18 *** maxh has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16:29:45 *** PlauSocks is now known as PlauSocks|AFK 16:56:29 *** Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-32-70-74.cust.tele2.at) has joined #portableapps 17:07:11 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 18:40:01 *** AlleyKat (~Miranda@0x573a58b7.ronnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) has joined #portableapps 18:59:54 *** gluxon (~gluxon@c-71-234-105-104.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 18:59:56 *** gluxon has quit (Changing host) 18:59:56 *** gluxon (~gluxon@unaffiliated/gluxon) has joined #portableapps 19:11:02 *** DannyMuniz (~Kiriko@c-71-192-128-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 19:11:02 *** DannyMuniz has quit (Changing host) 19:11:02 *** DannyMuniz (~Kiriko@unaffiliated/kiriko) has joined #portableapps 19:39:24 *** DannyMuniz is now known as DannyMuniz[AFK] 20:02:42 *** TPFC-SYSTEM has quit (Quit: TPFC-SYSTEM) 21:11:21 *** pa_7006 (6152ea81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.82.234.129) has joined #portableapps 21:11:45 help 21:12:40 *** sar3th has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 21:13:05 ronjin 21:13:24 *** sar3th (~sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 21:13:51 sar3th 21:15:59 pa_7006: What do you need help with? 21:16:08 sar3th: can you help me with a portap Thunderbird issue? 21:16:47 pa_7006: I need help with a Thunderbird portable app installed on my Ironkey 21:17:36 gluxon: I need help with a Thunderbird portable app installed on my Ironkey I am just getting the hand of this irc 21:17:49 Could you explain your issue? 21:19:25 I installed TBird and it worked fine. Yesterday it started taking forever to do anything. two days ago it started giving e a badlist something or other error message when I tried to send email via my gamil account. It has been unresponsive for the last 30 minutes. 21:20:10 I suppose I am unclear whether it is an Ironkey issue or a TBird issue. 21:24:58 gluxon: Right now the bar at the bottom right of the screen is slowly slowly moving to the right . At the left end of the bottom are the words "No messages to download." 21:27:57 How many other programs are you running of it now? 21:28:24 gluxon: on the ironkey only TBird 21:29:04 gluxon: on the laptop only Firefox 21:29:19 pa_7006: Have you tried a reinstall? 21:29:45 gluxon: Yes this morning. No help. 21:30:00 I'm not sure what the problem could be then. 21:30:28 *** DannyMuniz[AFK] is now known as DannyMuniz 21:30:53 gluxon: Might it be an Ironkey issue? 21:31:18 Could be, but I don't have any knowledge about Ironkey drives. 21:31:30 pa_7006: could you try deleting the data folder and see if that helps 21:31:52 DannyMuniz: That's the same as a re-install, which pa_7006 already reported doing. 21:31:58 Any extensions installed? 21:32:13 not yet 21:33:08 Does TBird automatically compact folders after the filters run? 21:34:25 For that matter does TBird automatically compact folders at any point? 21:34:40 I don't believe Thunderbird automatically compacts folders on an IMAP account. 21:34:47 Only local folders. 21:36:24 Well, that may be it. I just got a message Compacting Local Folders. Because I am getting mail from several email addresses I have been directing them to the Local Inbox Folder. I am guessing compacting makes it difficult to do anything until it is finished. 21:38:14 Where do I schedule compacting in TBird and what is the recommendation about when to compact? 21:41:53 If that's the case, reinstalling should have reset the automatic compacting. 21:44:34 Thank you for your help. I will reinstall and see if that makes a difference. I may even delete the data file after backing it up off my IronKey. 21:44:41 Thanks to both of you. 21:48:14 *** PlauSocks|AFK is now known as PlauSocks 21:48:29 *** pa_7006 has quit (Quit: Page closed) 21:54:50 *** maxh1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:27:04 *** maxh (~maxh@c-98-230-51-109.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 22:41:44 *** Thasmo has quit () 22:50:55 *** PlauSocks is now known as PlauSocks|AFK 22:56:26 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 22:57:25 *** DannyMuniz has quit (Quit: Never Drive Faster Than What Your Guardian Angel Can Fly! 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