00:57:24 anybody here apple fans? 01:01:37 *** PlauSocks is now known as PlauSocks|AFK 01:12:55 No, but that's a blow to them 01:27:43 i know, it sucks big them, losing the founder and a hige ass member 01:31:59 *** sar3th has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 01:39:12 *** Suiseiseki has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01:40:14 *** techfreak244 (~techfreak@c-68-40-88-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 01:40:24 *** Suiseiseki (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) has joined #portableapps 01:40:31 *** techfreak243 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 01:41:02 Well, I don't do anything with Apple, but I'm sure it would 01:43:28 I liked the operating system, not the business practices behind it 01:49:24 *** DannyMuniz (~Kiriko@c-71-192-128-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 01:49:24 *** DannyMuniz has quit (Changing host) 01:49:24 *** DannyMuniz (~Kiriko@unaffiliated/kiriko) has joined #portableapps 01:53:19 *** techfreak244 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 01:57:14 *** gluxon has parted #portableapps (None) 02:30:13 *** DannyMuniz has quit (Quit: Never Drive Faster Than What Your Guardian Angel Can Fly! 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I've tacked on "if needed", but I still wish we could do without it... but it's slow enough that we shouldn't omit it :-( 12:49:58 Looking forward to when I get round to replacing the Generator with Python code in PADT. That will be finished in the blink of an eye (if you can blink that fast), rather than 0.5-2 seconds. 12:51:14 I has been thinking on helping you with PADT. What do I need to build it? 12:54:42 Python 2.6 or 2.7 and PyQt4 or PySide. I think that's all. I should clean up various areas of the code to make it more presentable... 12:55:07 In places it could have done with a bit more effort into the design. Far too much of it has just happened. 12:55:49 *** Fifemaster (~fred@static-69-161-98-125.cpe.metrocast.net) has joined #portableapps 12:58:20 Oh, on http://hg.sf.net/hgweb/portableapps/development-toolkit/rev/3389712089f7 , I suggest using AppID.ini instead of the first file. 12:58:53 *** kAlug has quit (Quit: I have to go now. Thanks for the info.) 12:58:55 I need to go and do the dishes and go to bed now. Talk more about it later. I plan to release PAL2.2b1 tomorrow morning. 13:01:31 That appid thing is one that I had my eye on and did have it in my plan to switch back to using appid - except that I'm changing the way the class is set up as a whole; it's a weird mixture of dealing with all launchers and a certain launcher.ini. I'm going to split it apart to deal with those two aspects of its functionality separately. (The all-launchers stuff will probably go in Package.) I'll "fix" its behaviour then. 13:23:02 *** ChrisMorgan has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 13:24:16 *** Fifemaster has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 13:36:05 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 13:36:43 *** agdurrette (~agdurrett@c-71-63-3-78.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 13:36:45 agdurrette is awesome! nuff said. 13:39:55 *** Fifemaster (~fred@69.161.98.125) has joined #portableapps 13:40:18 *** Fifemaster has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:06:39 *** benedikt93 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 15:09:30 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 15:10:06 *** TPFC-SYSTEM has quit (Quit: TPFC-SYSTEM) 16:00:51 *** PlauSocks|AFK is now known as PlauSocks 16:29:41 *** PlauSocks is now known as PlauSocks|AFK 17:46:34 *** techfreak244 (~techfreak@c-68-40-88-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 18:37:22 *** Bivor (~Bivor@58.97.203.49) has joined #portableapps 18:43:44 *** sar3th (~sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 18:48:05 *** Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-32-70-74.cust.tele2.at) has joined #portableapps 19:01:35 *** techfreak244 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 19:05:25 *** BivorBikel (~Bivor@58.97.162.10) has joined #portableapps 19:08:49 *** Bivor has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19:11:39 *** BivorBikel is now known as Bivor 19:30:34 *** Bivor has quit (Quit: See ya later) 19:32:23 *** rcmaehl (~rcmaehl@unaffiliated/rcmaehl) has joined #portableapps 19:33:19 *** AlleyKat has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 19:50:24 *** techfreak244 (~techfreak@c-68-40-88-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 20:16:15 *** AlleyKat (~Miranda@0x573a58b7.ronnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) has joined #portableapps 21:20:43 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 21:47:50 *** sar3th has quit (Quit: "Our culture doesn't get smarter, it just finds new ways of being retarded.") 21:59:18 *** mortizio (~digi@201.122.31.180) has joined #portableapps 21:59:51 help! 21:59:52 mortizio: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums 22:00:54 hi everyone, somebody knows how to replace or fusion the PAP in the start menu or task bar of Windows XP SP3? 22:10:48 *** sar3th (~sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 22:14:24 *** mortizio has parted #portableapps (None) 22:28:54 *** techfreak244 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22:48:27 *** ChrisMorgan (~ChrisMorg@unaffiliated/chrismorgan) has joined #portableapps 22:49:29 *** kosto (~michal@chello089173144020.chello.sk) has joined #portableapps 22:49:48 *** kosto has quit (Client Quit) 22:50:33 *** kAlug (~kalug@187.101.119.164) has joined #portableapps 22:51:23 hey ChrisMorgan 22:51:30 Gleetings! 22:53:41 I've found a new feature for PAL 2.2: using the Command Prompt as executable to launch. 22:54:26 ? 22:54:48 I've also abstracted a new "SpecialExecutables" segment, used when ProgramExecutable is "symbolic" (currently, java.exe, javaw.exe and %ComSpec% fit this description). 22:55:49 I realized opening TortoiseHg was too much when I only needed a console with Mercurial configured. 22:56:33 Something like Mercurial Cmd Portable somewhere in the site. 22:56:57 Such things should probably just extend Command Prompt Portable. 22:57:09 Add themselves to it, somehow. 22:59:58 Maybe, but this would require messing with its settings. I don't know if this is exactly desirable. 23:00:22 *** techfreak244 (~techfreak@c-68-40-88-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 23:02:04 I think it's vastly better and more useful to extend the terminal environment rather than to have a number of different styles of terminals. I much prefer one in which I can do everything to a handful for different tasks. 23:07:15 Certainly, but then, Command Prompt Portable is not the only of its kind we have. 23:10:00 Anyway, go on with PAL 2.2. I'll keep this for future releases. 23:10:08 *** MaienM is now known as MaienM|Sleep 23:14:27 *** rcmaehl has quit (Quit: Power-idling in 59 channels on 12 networks.) 23:17:24 *** Thasmo has quit () 23:24:39 kAlug: that, also, is why I said "terminal environment" rather than CPP! 23:24:50 *** PlauSocks|AFK is now known as PlauSocks 23:26:04 Sounds like your Subversion unified support (and PuTTY too)... 23:26:31 Yep, common data is something we'll need to deal with at some point. 23:27:10 Run out of time for releasing PAL 2.2b1 this morning, got to go to Uni. That's what happens when I spend an hour or so singing to my sister's accompaniment. 23:27:40 I'll write more about common data and my notions of how it will work some time. 23:28:03 Good idea. We need a blueprint. 23:28:05 Did you read in the logs my comment about your remark on PADT's launcher handling? 23:28:17 I think I've got it pretty much worked out in my mind. 23:29:42 Yash. 23:30:08 Hmmm... YaSH -> Yet Another SHell! 23:31:59 * ChrisMorgan just wants a decent terminal like gnome-terminal for Windows 23:32:15 tried powershell? ;) 23:32:44 Last time I tried, PS was a blue version of the command prompt. 23:33:18 Having win-bash, winzsh, etc. really doesn't help, when you don't get a decent terminal (the biggest definer of "decent" being support for ANSI escape codes, second biggest being using readline or a very similar thing) 23:33:22 * kAlug needs Linux tools 23:33:25 YAY! 23:34:01 * ChrisMorgan uses zsh now and gets nice extra info in the prompt when dealing with hg repositories 23:34:21 What kind of info? 23:34:47 My Bash config detects hg repos... without hg. 23:35:33 branch, tags, bookmarks, status (modified/unknown files), whether an update is available, mq information 23:35:35 BTW, ChrisMorgan: do you know any Mercurial free online hosting services, besides Bitbucket? 23:35:57 Google Code and SourceForge would be the next two most popular 23:36:56 Note that the hg prompt is quite achievable in bash, too, but in zsh I get to have it on the right rather than the left. 23:37:00 Both are project-oriented. I was looking for something user-oriented. Maybe my SourceForge's user project. 23:37:32 Oh, and I get similar data for git... but now I use hg-git or new things I check out. Much simpler. 23:38:04 And smaller on Windows. Portable msysGit weights ~160MB. 23:38:42 I've never dealt with anything git-related on Windows. 23:40:02 Don't try. 23:43:49 OK, you've convinced me ;-) 23:44:22 my regular git installation is 66,5 mb 23:44:40 don't know why you have 100 mb more 23:45:01 and it comes with a bash 23:45:37 I just love what I've managed to do with my Python prompt... a couple of days ago I decided to try and improve it, so now I get things like os and sys imported already, a coloured >>>, keep history, tab completion, true division enabled. All of a sudden it's oodles better. 23:45:53 sar3th: bash, but no useful terminal to back it, I suppose? 23:46:22 rxvt 23:46:42 I usually prefer MinTTY. 23:47:02 wow, current portable git is 200 mb when installed 23:47:33 Yep. That one. Mercurial (without TortoiseHg) is ~15MB. 23:48:27 kAlug: hmm, never come across MinTTY, looks good, though. What does it require to work? 23:48:28 ChrisMorgan: probably not, but i haven't missed a thing coming from linux bash 23:48:43 sar3th: if not, you didn't ever use bash properly. 23:50:38 Cygwin. For Linux, I used to use XFCE's Terminal (LXTerminal was giving me some troubles), but now I use the plain TTY terminal. 23:50:50 well, you already said what you think is decent, so what do you need ansi escape codes for? and why readline? 23:53:23 sar3th: putting colour in the prompt alone makes a terminal significantly easier to work with. And readline is just better in every way. In Command Prompt, I press Esc and it's all gone! When you're used to working in Vim, you do that sometimes... 23:54:18 git bash does nothing when i press esc, and the prompt is coloured 23:55:27 ChrisMorgan: Is PADT's tip in an usable state? 23:55:51 sample pic: http://rickatnight11.com/images/aeon_git_instructions/05_gitbash_history.jpg 23:56:11 sar3th: it's using rxvt or sim'lar. 23:56:49 i don't know about that, but as i said, i haven't missed a thing coming from linux bash 23:57:19 except for the annoying ding sound that some terminals make when you try to autocomplete things 23:57:46 I'd like something like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Friendlyinteractiveshell.png 23:58:49 BTW, I've researched D a bit more, and I gave up trying to split a string in lines and removing blank and comment lines. 23:59:10 bad docs