00:10:02 *** PlauSocks is now known as PlauSocks|AFK 00:14:11 *** gluxon (~gluxon@unaffiliated/gluxon) has joined #portableapps 00:17:05 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 00:18:54 *** sar3th has quit (Quit: "Our culture doesn't get smarter, it just finds new ways of being retarded.") 00:21:52 *** ZachThibeau (Zach@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 00:21:53 ... 00:22:01 ... 00:22:57 *** JohnTHaller (~JohnTHall@cpe-98-14-114-27.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #portableapps 00:24:24 hola JohnTHaller 00:24:28 hola 00:24:36 how goes things for you? 00:25:18 Not bad. Took the weekend off for the most part to get better. Now releasing apps while the cat stares at me. 00:26:22 Gord and I setup a temporary bug tracker to help organize things and slightly on track until the site is upgraded 00:26:55 Set it up how/where? 00:27:20 setup at zachthibeau.ca/release-team 00:30:22 sort of also allows to put into practice how the tracker idea works 00:30:26 hi folks 00:30:31 hi kAlug 00:31:08 JohnTHaller: .NET support in PAL is ready, I believe 00:32:17 kAlug: Sorry, I'm a big behind. .NET support in PAL? How's that possible? 00:32:25 *a bit (big) behind 00:32:39 .NET version detection 00:32:47 gluxon: Not portable .NET support, but support for detecting if .NET is installed and alert if it doesn't have the right verison 00:32:55 ZachThibeau: What's a Mantis? 00:32:56 Ah :) 00:33:08 JohnTHaller: Simply put, an alternative for Mozilla bugzilla. 00:33:13 JohnTHaller: open-source bug tracker 00:33:42 Lines 18-24 are the valid .NET version numbers: http://p.kalug.net/6 00:37:36 kAlug: Nice coding! :D 00:39:29 Thank you! 00:41:05 It's a preview for what I believe PAL modules are going to look like. 00:41:53 JohnTHaller: a question: do you keep your VMs updated? 00:42:02 Yes, why? 00:42:09 I never stuck with NSIS enough to learn macros.. :'( 00:42:59 Oh Hi JohnTHaller 00:43:10 I have a question for you 00:43:14 sure 00:43:19 John: I've setup some VMs to test portable apps. XP and 7 x32 ATM. 00:43:52 gluxon: I tried to explain NSIS to a friend some weeks ago. Catastrophic FAIL. 00:44:12 gpodder now does not include python and it also need pygtk 00:44:29 kAlug: Ouch. 00:44:31 does it include enough to run, or do we need to add python to it? 00:44:48 we need to add python 00:45:12 Ok. Can you handle that? 00:45:38 I can try 00:46:04 You can probably grab python from the last version of it with Python and use that for now. SHould be easiest and work the best 00:46:45 JohnTHaller: can you update the PAF page? 00:47:02 Update with what? 00:48:56 pygtk can also be included with it right? 00:49:07 Dunno, haven't looked at it. 00:49:36 1. The Java change you mentioned. 2. .NET version string format. 3. Wasn't installer.ini\[CopyLocalFiles] going to be deprecated? 00:55:21 with .NET the [] part is optional, correct? 00:57:56 Yes. SP1-3 means SP1, SP2 or SP3. 4.0, however, needs the C or F in the end (need to update that). 00:59:13 Why does it need a C or F and what does it mean? 01:00:10 Client and Full profiles. 01:00:44 I have no idea what the difference is, nor do I know what is installed on my machine. I just installed .NET 4.0 when an app asked for it. 01:01:15 Oh wait, Full is for development right? 01:01:30 And full includes client, correct? 01:01:37 Client seems to be smaller. Not sure about the differences too. To check which one is installed: http://temp.kalug.net/DotNet.exe 01:02:16 I saw invalid 4.0, then 4.0C and 4.0F as installed 01:02:18 You'll see that '4.0' is an invalid version number. 01:03:45 Right, but 4.0 is a valid version number in the context of our scheme. I think we should have 4.0 default to client profile (since that's what nearly all apps will need) and the F be optional for apps that require the full framework for development. 01:04:34 "The Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Client Profile redistributable package installs the .NET Framework runtime and associated files that are required to run most client applications." 01:08:52 That makes sense. I'll implement it in the PAL part of the code (I intend to release the detection code to general NSIS use). 01:09:26 Yeah, that's a good plan. Stuff we use that could be used by NSIS proper people, I release under their license even though I prefer GPL for my stuff. 01:11:14 With PAL's refactoring, we'll have lots of that. 01:16:24 John: Can the Platform somehow be caching apps in *one* computer? 01:17:45 kAlug: what are the valid SPs for .NET again? Your code expired. 01:20:57 Look ok? http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format 01:20:59 back in a few 01:23:52 Brackets only indicate optional. Don't use them 01:25:35 Updated 01:26:22 And re-updated 01:28:21 Code clarified: http://p.kalug.net/4 01:29:19 Yeah, that's fine. 01:30:12 I think I can use [Dependencies]:UsesJava on PAL, falling back to the specification in launcher.ini. Thoughts? 01:32:14 Interesting. PAL has its own copy of Registry.nsh. 01:39:28 *** techfreak243 (~techfreak@c-68-40-88-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 01:46:51 *** gluxon has parted #portableapps (None) 02:05:46 *** kAlug has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 02:23:05 *** kAlug (c9004149@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.0.65.73) has joined #portableapps 02:24:05 JohnTHaller: Do you know if %JAVA_HOME% is set by the Java installer, or it's safe to presume the user has set it manually? 02:30:47 Maybe someone else knows? 02:37:31 *** rcmaehl has quit (Quit: Power-idling in 59 channels on 12 networks.) 03:01:03 I don't think JAVA_HOME is set by the JRE installer. It is added to the path by it, though. 03:02:16 So it's safe to check that before CommonFiles (in case the user wants to override it)? 03:02:31 CommonFiles first 03:02:54 If you're using a foreign PC with a custom JAVA_HOME, you certainly don't want that, you want your jPortable install. 03:03:33 Then CommonFiles, JAVA_HOME, Registry, %Path%? 03:04:25 Do we need to worry about JAVA_HOME at all, really? What if something else set it (another app) other than the user? 03:07:32 IDK. I may also just keep it in there until we come to a final decision. 03:10:03 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Quit: Leaving) 03:26:20 *** PlauSocks|AFK is now known as PlauSocks 03:40:42 JohnTHaller: When PAL 2.2 is released, I can send you ConvertAll PALed. 03:41:54 Ok 03:48:40 *** techfreak243 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04:11:15 *** JohnTHaller has parted #portableapps (None) 04:14:16 *** kAlug has quit (Quit: Page closed) 04:41:31 *** GordCaswell (~GordCaswe@unaffiliated/ve4jhj) has joined #portableapps 04:41:36 GordCaswell is the developer of Armagetron Advanced Portable, Evince Portable & ZSoft Uninstaller Portable 04:45:15 *** GordCaswell has quit (Client Quit) 06:27:48 *** PlauSocks is now known as PlauSocks|AFK 11:12:39 *** techfreak243 (~techfreak@c-68-40-88-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 12:57:04 *** techfreak243 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14:23:36 *** ZachThibeau (Zach@142.167.202.122) has joined #portableapps 14:23:36 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Changing host) 14:23:36 *** ZachThibeau (Zach@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 14:23:37 ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com 14:23:43 ... 14:47:26 *** Muhis91 has parted #portableapps ("Leaving") 15:31:51 *** Oni-Neoxes (kvirc@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 16:30:47 *** ZachThibeau_ (Zach@unaffiliated/zachthibeau) has joined #portableapps 16:33:52 *** ZachThibeau has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 16:38:35 *** ZachThibeau_ is now known as ZachThibeau 16:50:14 .seen johnthaller 16:50:14 OliverK|Away: I last saw johnthaller at 2011-11-14 03:41:54 UTC on #portableapps 16:50:20 .t 16:50:20 Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:50:19 GMT 16:50:23 .t utc 16:50:23 Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:50:23 16:50:30 which are the same 16:50:35 .t nyc 16:50:35 OliverK|Away: Sorry, I don't know about the 'nyc' timezone. 18:23:06 *** Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-32-70-74.cust.tele2.at) has joined #portableapps 18:42:22 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit () 18:53:21 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 20:44:14 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 21:03:53 *** Oni-Neoxes (kvirc@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps 21:21:20 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit () 21:27:11 *** techfreak243 (~techfreak@c-68-40-88-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 21:51:50 *** sar3th (~sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 23:33:32 *** rcmaehl (~rcmaehl@unaffiliated/rcmaehl) has joined #portableapps 23:33:41 *** PlauSocks|AFK is now known as PlauSocks 23:34:48 *** rcmaehl has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:54:58 *** Oni-Neoxes (kvirc@unaffiliated/oni-neoxes) has joined #portableapps