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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 13:17:46 *** TPFC-SYSTEM (~system@gateway/tor-sasl/tpfc-system) has joined #portableapps 13:29:56 *** solanus (4079a21e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.121.162.30) has joined #portableapps 13:30:16 Hi - any devs online? 13:35:13 hi, whats your question(i'm not a dev but i may be able to help you)? 13:36:52 Just wondering what's going on with some apps that are on the official list and have been waiting 2 months for updates while others have been updated multiple times in the same time frame. 13:38:15 solanus: such as? 13:38:32 Audacity - Dec 11 Blender Dec 14 13:39:05 likely the original devs haven't updated them yet...in any case they all have to go through John T Haller before they can be published. 13:40:08 While the following have been updated 5-6 times: FF TB utorrent TaskCoach 13:41:59 I know it's a long list, but I'd hope that the longer it's waiting, the higher it gets on the priority list. Just not feeling the love. 13:44:42 while I can understand solanus, you have to also realize that you have one person in control of all of these, and all the work is done is all volunteer work. 13:44:55 nobody gets paid to sit and work on the apps to make sure they get updated. 13:46:01 Oh, I know that, I'm just feeling that some apps tend to get preferential treatment, while others are not. 13:48:20 the big apps like FF and TB always will. They are more/less "Flagship" apps. 13:48:33 and john has automated processes for building those applications 13:53:51 Yeah, I know that too. But Blender and Audacity aren't exactly fringe apps. Audacity even has its own forum. 13:55:14 You're right...but the likeliness of those updates being major security flaws is minimal 13:55:34 in any case, you'd have to ask John about them individually unless it's mentioned in the outdated topic. 13:55:46 I still have to get songbird updated...some of us just don't have the time to do it for a whilel. 13:55:48 thus the apps wait. 13:56:30 I worry that with the growing list of official apps, if PA.c doesn't come up with an approach that is eiher more efficient or involves more than one person at the gate, it's going to really start drowning in itself. 13:57:09 your sentiment is echoed by many people. That's not our call though. 13:57:20 A lot of it has to do with the digital signing of the application packages. 13:57:27 they're all signed by a digital cert that only John has 14:01:49 Here's an observation: on the official Songbird Portable page, it lists PortableApps.com (Michael Secord) which is you. On the Audacity page, it lists PortableApps.com (John T. Haller) and on Blender (and others) it just lists PortableApps.com. 14:02:22 So it's obvious that you are the Songbird dev - does that mean that the others all have JTH as dev? 14:04:54 BTW, thanks for this discussion, it always helps ease the waiting if you get an idea of what's going on behind the scenes. 14:08:15 yes, if there is no other dev listed on the page, that means John is the one who's doing that 14:08:18 + one 14:17:00 Anyway, thanks Gizmokid2005 - gotta go. 14:17:10 you're welcome 14:17:25 *** solanus has quit (Quit: Page closed) 14:28:46 *** GizmoBot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 14:28:59 *** GizmoBot (~GizmoBot@dedi.gizmokid2005.com) has joined #portableapps 14:29:03 GizmoBot is the official bot of #Gizmokid2005 and #PortableApps. 14:29:24 *** Zarggg_ (~zarggg@24.229.141.85.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) has joined #portableapps 14:30:08 *** Zarggg has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:34:51 *** GizmoBot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 14:35:07 *** GizmoBot (~GizmoBot@dedi.gizmokid2005.com) has joined #portableapps 14:35:11 GizmoBot is the official bot of #Gizmokid2005 and #PortableApps. 14:35:15 *** GizmoBot has quit (Client Quit) 14:36:06 *** GizmoBot (~GizmoBot@dedi.gizmokid2005.com) has joined #portableapps 14:36:10 GizmoBot is the official bot of #Gizmokid2005 and #PortableApps. 15:02:38 *** AlleyKat has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:32:16 *** Oni-Neoxes has quit () 15:41:49 *** vf2nsr (~vf2nsr@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 15:49:26 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 15:55:30 *** DHag (47072d0e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.7.45.14) has joined #portableapps 15:57:48 Just a quick question: Can I download just the Portableapps platform, with no apps? FAQ on support page mentions three versions: Platform Only, Light or Standard 15:59:14 DHag: sounds like you answered your own question.. 16:00:01 http://portableapps.com/download <-- there is the download location for the platform DHag 16:00:09 Let me rephrase: Where can I get "Light" or "Platform only." Only download link I can find is for the standard install. 16:01:24 Three options on that link.Standard. Standard plus Music. Buy a pre-loaded USB. 16:07:22 Installer does not offer options. 16:11:17 I guess it's load the full load, then uninstall the unwanted apps, then. 16:12:30 DHag: 16:12:51 use the link to the left 16:14:19 the suites are not being done anymore 16:14:38 the standart is only the platform 16:15:07 Thanks. 16:15:25 *** DHag has quit (Quit: Page closed) 16:15:30 you're welcome 16:44:20 *** pa_5952 (ae6502aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.101.2.170) has joined #portableapps 16:45:14 *** pa_5952 has quit (Client Quit) 17:02:01 *** kronophskiy (~kronophsk@41.56.41.130) has joined #portableapps 17:47:38 *** sar3th (~sar3th@krlh-5f71c193.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #portableapps 17:47:40 *** sar3th has quit (Changing host) 17:47:40 *** sar3th (~sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 17:57:34 *** kronophskiy has quit (Quit: Sometimes an armed truce is preferable to peace.) 18:04:25 *** benedikt93 (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) has joined #portableapps 18:27:45 *** techfreak243 (~techfreak@c-68-40-90-117.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 18:29:21 *** techfreak244 (~techfreak@c-68-40-88-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 18:32:28 *** techfreak243 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 18:37:40 *** surya (6a337d01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.106.51.125.1) has joined #portableapps 18:37:55 Hi there 18:38:10 *** surya is now known as Guest21936 18:38:10 hello surya 18:38:22 Hi 18:38:31 I am looking for some help with Licensing of Portable Apps 18:38:45 I cant find such info on PortableApps website 18:38:52 Can anyone please help? 18:39:02 Guest21936: what are you looking for? 18:39:04 Hi Giz 18:39:52 I want to bundle some of the Applications which are made portable by PortableApps in my own platform. 18:40:19 I want to make sure I dont infringe on anyone's work. 18:40:45 ahh 18:41:18 Guest21936: this is likely going to be the most useful: http://portableapps.com/about/contact#business 18:41:29 the Softare & Hardware partnership section 18:41:33 The only license details I found was the EULA during installation of portable apps platform. 18:41:59 at the core, so long as what you're doing conforms to the GPL, it's going to be ok. 18:42:09 that's the general rule of thumb. 18:42:17 Oh ok.. 18:42:55 I am getting a lawyer to help us on this, i really want to make sure we are in good terms with portableApps 18:43:27 I will surely contact them via your link, thank you very much. 18:47:56 *** Guest21936 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 18:55:13 *** techfreak244 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 18:57:57 *** techfreak245 (~techfreak@c-68-40-90-117.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 18:59:34 *** techfreak246 (~techfreak@c-68-40-88-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #portableapps 19:02:22 *** techfreak245 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 19:16:06 *** techfreak246 is now known as techfreak243 19:27:28 *** vf2nsr (~vf2nsr@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 19:31:26 *** pa_9081 (4223639e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.35.99.158) has joined #portableapps 19:31:41 hey everyone 19:31:49 hi 19:33:01 What exactly does a program do when it "installs" itself? Why an exe installer instead of a zip file that a user can just extract and start running the program? (referring to standalone programs and not using the portable apps menu) 19:33:04 *** pa_0917 (ae6502aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.101.2.170) has joined #portableapps 19:34:36 *** pa_0917 has quit (Client Quit) 19:35:07 *** pa_7080 (ae6502aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.101.2.170) has joined #portableapps 19:35:14 pa_9081: Exe is smaller due to stronger compression. 19:35:22 yeah 19:35:35 It also automatically checks its integrity before extracting the files. 19:35:36 *** pa_7080 has quit (Client Quit) 19:36:02 pa_9081: also installers can write data to registry as well as app data folders 19:36:22 and it checks system specs 19:36:49 vf2nsr: i thought the whole idea behind pa is that it doesn't touch the registry 19:36:52 so there are many reasons why it is create as an exe 19:37:10 you said not using pa meni 19:37:28 menu 19:37:43 standalone programs and not using the portable apps menu) 19:37:56 so thought you were asking generic wuestion 19:38:10 question 19:38:55 so make up mind are we talking generically or PA wis? 19:39:10 ok, fair enough....to be more specific, a portable app downloaded exe can be installed as part of the pa menu (which I have never used) or as a standalone program, I was referring to using a portableapps installer as a standalone program 19:39:34 *** GordCaswell (~GordCaswe@unaffiliated/ve4jhj) has joined #portableapps 19:39:36 then it creates the proper directory structure 19:39:39 as described: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_app#installing 19:39:39 GordCaswell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/26399 19:40:02 as a zip file deos not always do so 19:40:23 vf2nsr: Any directory structure is possible with ZIP. 19:40:55 but it is not always followed 19:41:06 I can unzip a file and put stuff wehre ever I want 19:41:56 and that refers to installing seperate files downloaded vs the install from the platform 19:42:04 OK, I see. 19:43:45 so I guess hte real question is what is the question or issue that you are having 19:44:32 all pa exe files are are self extracting zip files anyway 19:44:56 I'm just wanting to know what the "installation" does to the machine 19:45:11 if it is just a self-extracting zip, that's the best news I could get :) 19:45:14 if it is to main hard drive it installs a folder that is all 19:45:25 if done to plat form on a usb device does nothing 19:46:43 pa_9081: yes, it basically is a self-extracting archive with additional code to detect the install location and some other things like additional features 19:47:40 as long as you launch the file from the available launcher no changes generally take place on host system 19:47:57 but doesn't actually make any changes to the host system except putting the necessary files in a folder? 19:48:51 ...at the specified location 19:49:00 i assume the later one 19:49:09 but it can install and download additional files for you 19:49:15 if installed, used and closed appropriately then correct 19:49:56 vf2nsr: no, he is talking about the installation process, not the application itself 19:51:21 I understand However do not want to imply a false sense of securty just because you install it does not mean it will make no changes if used incorrectly 19:53:31 which imho is why it is best to use platform as opposed to standalone makes it safer all around 19:54:19 excellent, this has been very helpful.....perhaps I can recommend a change to the page I linked to earlier to indicate that the .paf.exe files are simply self-extracting zip files 19:55:30 I believe you took that sentenc eout of context 19:55:42 But can not check as the site is in maintenance right now 19:56:40 wow, it appears to be, it wasn't a few minutes ago :( 19:57:02 ok back now 19:57:27 the page you are referring to is for downloading seperate programs like the beta or develop builds 19:57:38 as opposed to from th eplatoform 19:58:01 in that case you download and save file then click it to install into platform 19:58:18 i got to it from the page of one of the apps where it says support and then "installing a portable app" 19:58:48 i was looking to do just standalone without the platform....never really considered or looked in to the platform 19:59:27 well read entire page 20:00:15 as u only took a snippet 20:01:39 *** sar3th has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 20:11:08 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 20:11:41 *** pa_9081 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 20:17:16 *** TPFC-SYSTEM has quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 20:37:16 *** marlop has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 21:04:12 *** benedikt93 has quit (Quit: Bye ;)) 21:14:12 *** dragonfly (~dragonfly@mail.curtsmotorsports.com) has joined #portableapps 21:15:27 *** vf2nsr (~vf2nsr@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 21:16:44 *** pa_0719 (4223639e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.35.99.158) has joined #portableapps 21:16:54 *** pa_0719 has quit (Client Quit) 21:17:41 vf2nsr: still trying to getting GizmoBot to say something about you? 21:22:04 I never pushed it cause did not quite know how 21:22:06 lol 21:22:16 Besides it might not be G rated 21:22:33 go to #gizmokid2005 21:23:04 type: .def vf2nsr 21:25:11 ok think it worked? 21:25:21 so is that one shot or ?? 21:26:03 .def vf2nsr 21:26:03 vf2nsr 21:26:19 yup. Unless gizmobot forgets about you. It happens sometimes 21:26:33 ah ok 21:26:35 ty 21:27:01 no problem. and to change it, you just do the exact same thing 21:27:23 gotta go, need to flash my router's firmware 21:27:38 *** GordCaswell has quit (Quit: Leaving) 21:28:17 ty gizmobot 21:28:17 Yw vf2nsr! 21:28:33 some day will get hang of things 21:33:37 well time to go make dinner bbl all 21:33:41 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 21:52:01 *** techfreak243 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 22:29:39 *** sar3th (~sar3th@unaffiliated/sar3th) has joined #portableapps 22:45:51 *** vf2nsr (~vf2nsr@unaffiliated/vf2nsr) has joined #portableapps 22:45:51 vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620 22:59:41 *** vf2nsr has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 23:09:06 *** Zarggg_ has quit (*.net *.split) 23:09:34 *** Zarggg_ (~zarggg@24.229.141.85.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) has joined #portableapps 23:42:27 *** Zarggg_ has quit (Quit: Rebooting client...) 23:57:07 *** dragonfly has parted #portableapps ("Leaving")